Johnny Depp trial in Fairfax County

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Anonymous wrote:1. She sounded like she gave a strong speech today when she talked about what this has been like. Did the jury notice that she had zero tears, though?

2. It will be hard to wade through everything bc it’s as massive amount of evidence.

3. It will be hard to wade through experts who sound credible, all have weaknesses, and each one refutes another one. Who to believe?

I think they have both lied and massaged the truth.

The main question is whether he abused her. I think she proved that by the preponderance of the evidence. Take away the photos (let’s say they can’t agree whether they were doctored), take away his and her statements (bc they conflict on major points), take away her alleged abuse of him (not really necessary for the question as to whether she was abused by him), take away the dueling therapist experts….you’re left with witnesses:

Sister
Tillet
Dark haired friend at the TRO hearing

All you need is 50.001% that he abused her and his case ends. As for damages, I think she gets little or anything. She got her biggest role after the lawyer statements AND WB said that she tested well (audiences liked her) which was after the statements, too.

Why do you believe that women’s painful emotions and experiences aren’t real if they don’t shed tears? That’s feeding into a really misogynistic stereotype.

I don't. She,or any woman for that matter, does not need to shed tears but she also doesn't need to act like she was crying. It just came off as fake. And the way she was able to quickly switch from the emotional, weepy, abused Amber when questioned by her attorney to the argumentative and aggressive Amber when questioned by the opposing lawyer and then immediately revert back to the helpless Amber with the quivering voice on redirect.

Classic borderline move. No wonder JD wanted it on video. Borderlines love you one second and hate you the next. They say one thing one minute and then say it never happened the next.

Like JD and his texts?

What texts are you talking about? Did he send a text about loving her and then within a few seconds send another one where he wished her the worst? If that's the case, I'll say he's bordeline also

Oh, so it’s only borderline if you lie about it immediately, and completely emotionally healthy if you’re lying about something that happened a couple of years earlier?

Well things can change after a couple of years. It's completely normal to be in love with someone and then realize after 2 years of hell that you don't want to have anything to do with that person anymore and wish that they just drop dead. You might call it vindictive but not borderline. But if someone tells me that they love me and then the next few seconds tells me that they want me to drop dead then i'll think they have a bit of a mental issue.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to step in and say that, while I grew up a JD fan, that's not why I believe him. Some AH supporters here are painting Johnny fans as people who side with the man always, upholders of the powerful patriarchy or whatever.

My bias is 100% about AH's Borderline Personality Disorder. I grew up with an abusive BPD mom, and once you know a BPD, you can't help it with the pattern recognition. BPDs will tell any lie to save their image (which to them feels like saving their very life), they absolutely will invent abuse to get back at someone (it is a favorite tactic), they will deny something that you just saw happen 5 minutes ago, they lie so much you start to wonder if they believe their own lies (no one knows for sure), they know that a big lie is better than a small "weak" lie, and they laugh at those they have deceived. They believe everyone else is just as corrupt as they are (like, "you would have done the same thing" and "the others are all liars"). Oh, and they LOVE to appear all charitable and selfless, like they are standing up for a cause ("I wrote an op-ed, now I'm just like Angelina Jolie!"), giving money to charity (or rather just lying about it), and sometimes legitimately doing good works (but for the wrong reasons).

This doesn't mean that a person with BPD can't also be a victim though. I think people with BPD are often victims, actually. But I don't believe it in this case, because Johnny does not fit any patterns that I know. He's been consistent. I relate to his need for truth. I don't agree that he went through all this just to abuse Amber. I believe he needed to do this for himself.

He had a good record before Amber. Yes, he admits to drug and alcohol abuse, but she was abusing drugs and alcohol too, so I don't buy the whole, "He probably can't remember what he did!" You know, she might not remember what happened either, in her drunken state, and anyway, it's her pattern to LIE.

So now it will be over. I look forward to reading about the closing arguments tomorrow.

As far as "which side is right," if it matters a lot to you, I believe it will become clear when you see how each of them live out the rest of their lives. I am feeling optimistic for Johnny, that he puts this behind him and goes on to better things.

Thank you for writing this. I also have a BPD parent and I can see the patterns in AH. When you lived with one for decades as your main caregiver, you know one when you see one. I also believe JD needed to do this for himself.

I'm not a JD fan, and I'd never heard of AH before this.

Just like he needed to swallow handfuls of ecstasy?

I don't know all the details of the trial. Handfuls of ecstacy might kill you. Smaller doses though are good for empathy and emotional connection, and used in therapeutic settings, particularly marriage counseling, for people who are open to that. I used many party drugs in the past, been around many people using drugs, and never saw anyone take "handfuls" of ecstasy. Also never witnessed violent behavior from ecstasy. Maybe really energetic dancing though.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to step in and say that, while I grew up a JD fan, that's not why I believe him. Some AH supporters here are painting Johnny fans as people who side with the man always, upholders of the powerful patriarchy or whatever.

My bias is 100% about AH's Borderline Personality Disorder. I grew up with an abusive BPD mom, and once you know a BPD, you can't help it with the pattern recognition. BPDs will tell any lie to save their image (which to them feels like saving their very life), they absolutely will invent abuse to get back at someone (it is a favorite tactic), they will deny something that you just saw happen 5 minutes ago, they lie so much you start to wonder if they believe their own lies (no one knows for sure), they know that a big lie is better than a small "weak" lie, and they laugh at those they have deceived. They believe everyone else is just as corrupt as they are (like, "you would have done the same thing" and "the others are all liars"). Oh, and they LOVE to appear all charitable and selfless, like they are standing up for a cause ("I wrote an op-ed, now I'm just like Angelina Jolie!"), giving money to charity (or rather just lying about it), and sometimes legitimately doing good works (but for the wrong reasons).

This doesn't mean that a person with BPD can't also be a victim though. I think people with BPD are often victims, actually. But I don't believe it in this case, because Johnny does not fit any patterns that I know. He's been consistent. I relate to his need for truth. I don't agree that he went through all this just to abuse Amber. I believe he needed to do this for himself.

He had a good record before Amber. Yes, he admits to drug and alcohol abuse, but she was abusing drugs and alcohol too, so I don't buy the whole, "He probably can't remember what he did!" You know, she might not remember what happened either, in her drunken state, and anyway, it's her pattern to LIE.

So now it will be over. I look forward to reading about the closing arguments tomorrow.

As far as "which side is right," if it matters a lot to you, I believe it will become clear when you see how each of them live out the rest of their lives. I am feeling optimistic for Johnny, that he puts this behind him and goes on to better things.

Thank you for writing this. I also have a BPD parent and I can see the patterns in AH. When you lived with one for decades as your main caregiver, you know one when you see one. I also believe JD needed to do this for himself.

I'm not a JD fan, and I'd never heard of AH before this.

Just like he needed to swallow handfuls of ecstasy?

I don't know all the details of the trial. Handfuls of ecstacy might kill you. Smaller doses though are good for empathy and emotional connection, and used in therapeutic settings, particularly marriage counseling, for people who are open to that. I used many party drugs in the past, been around many people using drugs, and never saw anyone take "handfuls" of ecstasy. Also never witnessed violent behavior from ecstasy. Maybe really energetic dancing though.

This is wonderful. So much relevant knowledge being shared here to show how deeply innocent Johnny the Explorer is with his use of an interesting variety of medications. Yes, Mr. Depp, if I may call him that, is renowned for his exquisite dancing, as well as his genteel manner of textual communication and his ability to hold his drink and his blow and his stories together.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to step in and say that, while I grew up a JD fan, that's not why I believe him. Some AH supporters here are painting Johnny fans as people who side with the man always, upholders of the powerful patriarchy or whatever.

My bias is 100% about AH's Borderline Personality Disorder. I grew up with an abusive BPD mom, and once you know a BPD, you can't help it with the pattern recognition. BPDs will tell any lie to save their image (which to them feels like saving their very life), they absolutely will invent abuse to get back at someone (it is a favorite tactic), they will deny something that you just saw happen 5 minutes ago, they lie so much you start to wonder if they believe their own lies (no one knows for sure), they know that a big lie is better than a small "weak" lie, and they laugh at those they have deceived. They believe everyone else is just as corrupt as they are (like, "you would have done the same thing" and "the others are all liars"). Oh, and they LOVE to appear all charitable and selfless, like they are standing up for a cause ("I wrote an op-ed, now I'm just like Angelina Jolie!"), giving money to charity (or rather just lying about it), and sometimes legitimately doing good works (but for the wrong reasons).

This doesn't mean that a person with BPD can't also be a victim though. I think people with BPD are often victims, actually. But I don't believe it in this case, because Johnny does not fit any patterns that I know. He's been consistent. I relate to his need for truth. I don't agree that he went through all this just to abuse Amber. I believe he needed to do this for himself.

He had a good record before Amber. Yes, he admits to drug and alcohol abuse, but she was abusing drugs and alcohol too, so I don't buy the whole, "He probably can't remember what he did!" You know, she might not remember what happened either, in her drunken state, and anyway, it's her pattern to LIE.

So now it will be over. I look forward to reading about the closing arguments tomorrow.

As far as "which side is right," if it matters a lot to you, I believe it will become clear when you see how each of them live out the rest of their lives. I am feeling optimistic for Johnny, that he puts this behind him and goes on to better things.

Does that consistency and need for truth include Depp accusing defense counsel of having fabricated evidence of his tweets when his own legal team produced them in discovery and did not contest their authenticity? And does that consistency include his pathetic fake accents that changes periodically when he forgets to maintain the pretense?

You know he thinks you’re a parasite, right? He has said that very openly about his fans and supporter.

The texts that were brought out in court that JD said he didn't recognized were actually not from him. It was pointed out later by some commentators that those texts appeared on the evidence as incoming. The text that JD said was his (the long, colorful one) was an outgoing. All these texts were from JD's phone so the incoming texts would not have been from him. So really AH's lawyers were sneaky and tried to make him admit something that he didn't write.

Then why didn’t his lawyers point out that the evidence was being misrepresented during his testimony? Are you saying Camille is too stupid to know her own care?

I don't know why nobody caught on at that moment. Maybe in the heat of the moment, his lawyers didn't catch that detail, but the evidence is there and the truth is AH's lawyers made a calculated move to deceive the jury.

It was a pretty lengthy exchange and his lawyer objected it on a bunch of other grounds before it was admitted into evidence. That would be a pretty massive oversight to have substantive discussions of the admissibility of evidence and it even look at the exhibit.

Well I'm not his lawyers and I don't know why they didn't catch it. All I know is commnentators from Law and Crime youtube channel mentioned it during a break the following day and they showed a pic of the evidence.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to step in and say that, while I grew up a JD fan, that's not why I believe him. Some AH supporters here are painting Johnny fans as people who side with the man always, upholders of the powerful patriarchy or whatever.

My bias is 100% about AH's Borderline Personality Disorder. I grew up with an abusive BPD mom, and once you know a BPD, you can't help it with the pattern recognition. BPDs will tell any lie to save their image (which to them feels like saving their very life), they absolutely will invent abuse to get back at someone (it is a favorite tactic), they will deny something that you just saw happen 5 minutes ago, they lie so much you start to wonder if they believe their own lies (no one knows for sure), they know that a big lie is better than a small "weak" lie, and they laugh at those they have deceived. They believe everyone else is just as corrupt as they are (like, "you would have done the same thing" and "the others are all liars"). Oh, and they LOVE to appear all charitable and selfless, like they are standing up for a cause ("I wrote an op-ed, now I'm just like Angelina Jolie!"), giving money to charity (or rather just lying about it), and sometimes legitimately doing good works (but for the wrong reasons).

This doesn't mean that a person with BPD can't also be a victim though. I think people with BPD are often victims, actually. But I don't believe it in this case, because Johnny does not fit any patterns that I know. He's been consistent. I relate to his need for truth. I don't agree that he went through all this just to abuse Amber. I believe he needed to do this for himself.

He had a good record before Amber. Yes, he admits to drug and alcohol abuse, but she was abusing drugs and alcohol too, so I don't buy the whole, "He probably can't remember what he did!" You know, she might not remember what happened either, in her drunken state, and anyway, it's her pattern to LIE.

So now it will be over. I look forward to reading about the closing arguments tomorrow.

As far as "which side is right," if it matters a lot to you, I believe it will become clear when you see how each of them live out the rest of their lives. I am feeling optimistic for Johnny, that he puts this behind him and goes on to better things.

Does that consistency and need for truth include Depp accusing defense counsel of having fabricated evidence of his tweets when his own legal team produced them in discovery and did not contest their authenticity? And does that consistency include his pathetic fake accents that changes periodically when he forgets to maintain the pretense?

You know he thinks you’re a parasite, right? He has said that very openly about his fans and supporter.

The texts that were brought out in court that JD said he didn't recognized were actually not from him. It was pointed out later by some commentators that those texts appeared on the evidence as incoming. The text that JD said was his (the long, colorful one) was an outgoing. All these texts were from JD's phone so the incoming texts would not have been from him. So really AH's lawyers were sneaky and tried to make him admit something that he didn't write.

Then why didn’t his lawyers point out that the evidence was being misrepresented during his testimony? Are you saying Camille is too stupid to know her own care?

I don't know why nobody caught on at that moment. Maybe in the heat of the moment, his lawyers didn't catch that detail, but the evidence is there and the truth is AH's lawyers made a calculated move to deceive the jury.

It was a pretty lengthy exchange and his lawyer objected it on a bunch of other grounds before it was admitted into evidence. That would be a pretty massive oversight to have substantive discussions of the admissibility of evidence and it even look at the exhibit.

Well I'm not his lawyers and I don't know why they didn't catch it. All I know is commnentators from Law and Crime youtube channel mentioned it during a break the following day and they showed a pic of the evidence.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe those commenters were wrong?

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Anonymous wrote:1. She sounded like she gave a strong speech today when she talked about what this has been like. Did the jury notice that she had zero tears, though?

2. It will be hard to wade through everything bc it’s as massive amount of evidence.

3. It will be hard to wade through experts who sound credible, all have weaknesses, and each one refutes another one. Who to believe?

I think they have both lied and massaged the truth.

The main question is whether he abused her. I think she proved that by the preponderance of the evidence. Take away the photos (let’s say they can’t agree whether they were doctored), take away his and her statements (bc they conflict on major points), take away her alleged abuse of him (not really necessary for the question as to whether she was abused by him), take away the dueling therapist experts….you’re left with witnesses:

Sister
Tillet
Dark haired friend at the TRO hearing

All you need is 50.001% that he abused her and his case ends. As for damages, I think she gets little or anything. She got her biggest role after the lawyer statements AND WB said that she tested well (audiences liked her) which was after the statements, too.

Why do you believe that women’s painful emotions and experiences aren’t real if they don’t shed tears? That’s feeding into a really misogynistic stereotype.

I don't. She,or any woman for that matter, does not need to shed tears but she also doesn't need to act like she was crying. It just came off as fake. And the way she was able to quickly switch from the emotional, weepy, abused Amber when questioned by her attorney to the argumentative and aggressive Amber when questioned by the opposing lawyer and then immediately revert back to the helpless Amber with the quivering voice on redirect.

Classic borderline move. No wonder JD wanted it on video. Borderlines love you one second and hate you the next. They say one thing one minute and then say it never happened the next.

Like JD and his texts?

What texts are you talking about? Did he send a text about loving her and then within a few seconds send another one where he wished her the worst? If that's the case, I'll say he's bordeline also

Oh, so it’s only borderline if you lie about it immediately, and completely emotionally healthy if you’re lying about something that happened a couple of years earlier?

Well things can change after a couple of years. It's completely normal to be in love with someone and then realize after 2 years of hell that you don't want to have anything to do with that person anymore and wish that they just drop dead. You might call it vindictive but not borderline. But if someone tells me that they love me and then the next few seconds tells me that they want me to drop dead then i'll think they have a bit of a mental issue.

Whether you love someone isn’t the only thing a person can lie about.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to step in and say that, while I grew up a JD fan, that's not why I believe him. Some AH supporters here are painting Johnny fans as people who side with the man always, upholders of the powerful patriarchy or whatever.

My bias is 100% about AH's Borderline Personality Disorder. I grew up with an abusive BPD mom, and once you know a BPD, you can't help it with the pattern recognition. BPDs will tell any lie to save their image (which to them feels like saving their very life), they absolutely will invent abuse to get back at someone (it is a favorite tactic), they will deny something that you just saw happen 5 minutes ago, they lie so much you start to wonder if they believe their own lies (no one knows for sure), they know that a big lie is better than a small "weak" lie, and they laugh at those they have deceived. They believe everyone else is just as corrupt as they are (like, "you would have done the same thing" and "the others are all liars"). Oh, and they LOVE to appear all charitable and selfless, like they are standing up for a cause ("I wrote an op-ed, now I'm just like Angelina Jolie!"), giving money to charity (or rather just lying about it), and sometimes legitimately doing good works (but for the wrong reasons).

This doesn't mean that a person with BPD can't also be a victim though. I think people with BPD are often victims, actually. But I don't believe it in this case, because Johnny does not fit any patterns that I know. He's been consistent. I relate to his need for truth. I don't agree that he went through all this just to abuse Amber. I believe he needed to do this for himself.

He had a good record before Amber. Yes, he admits to drug and alcohol abuse, but she was abusing drugs and alcohol too, so I don't buy the whole, "He probably can't remember what he did!" You know, she might not remember what happened either, in her drunken state, and anyway, it's her pattern to LIE.

So now it will be over. I look forward to reading about the closing arguments tomorrow.

As far as "which side is right," if it matters a lot to you, I believe it will become clear when you see how each of them live out the rest of their lives. I am feeling optimistic for Johnny, that he puts this behind him and goes on to better things.

Thank you for writing this. I also have a BPD parent and I can see the patterns in AH. When you lived with one for decades as your main caregiver, you know one when you see one. I also believe JD needed to do this for himself.

I'm not a JD fan, and I'd never heard of AH before this.

Just like he needed to swallow handfuls of ecstasy?

I don't know all the details of the trial. Handfuls of ecstacy might kill you. Smaller doses though are good for empathy and emotional connection, and used in therapeutic settings, particularly marriage counseling, for people who are open to that. I used many party drugs in the past, been around many people using drugs, and never saw anyone take "handfuls" of ecstasy. Also never witnessed violent behavior from ecstasy. Maybe really energetic dancing though.

This is hilarious. JD’s drug addiction is a totally healthy lifestyle, and that’s why he pays a physician $100k a month to try to keep him sober.

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Two lunatics pointing fingers at the other!

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to step in and say that, while I grew up a JD fan, that's not why I believe him. Some AH supporters here are painting Johnny fans as people who side with the man always, upholders of the powerful patriarchy or whatever.

My bias is 100% about AH's Borderline Personality Disorder. I grew up with an abusive BPD mom, and once you know a BPD, you can't help it with the pattern recognition. BPDs will tell any lie to save their image (which to them feels like saving their very life), they absolutely will invent abuse to get back at someone (it is a favorite tactic), they will deny something that you just saw happen 5 minutes ago, they lie so much you start to wonder if they believe their own lies (no one knows for sure), they know that a big lie is better than a small "weak" lie, and they laugh at those they have deceived. They believe everyone else is just as corrupt as they are (like, "you would have done the same thing" and "the others are all liars"). Oh, and they LOVE to appear all charitable and selfless, like they are standing up for a cause ("I wrote an op-ed, now I'm just like Angelina Jolie!"), giving money to charity (or rather just lying about it), and sometimes legitimately doing good works (but for the wrong reasons).

This doesn't mean that a person with BPD can't also be a victim though. I think people with BPD are often victims, actually. But I don't believe it in this case, because Johnny does not fit any patterns that I know. He's been consistent. I relate to his need for truth. I don't agree that he went through all this just to abuse Amber. I believe he needed to do this for himself.

He had a good record before Amber. Yes, he admits to drug and alcohol abuse, but she was abusing drugs and alcohol too, so I don't buy the whole, "He probably can't remember what he did!" You know, she might not remember what happened either, in her drunken state, and anyway, it's her pattern to LIE.

So now it will be over. I look forward to reading about the closing arguments tomorrow.

As far as "which side is right," if it matters a lot to you, I believe it will become clear when you see how each of them live out the rest of their lives. I am feeling optimistic for Johnny, that he puts this behind him and goes on to better things.

Thank you for writing this. I also have a BPD parent and I can see the patterns in AH. When you lived with one for decades as your main caregiver, you know one when you see one. I also believe JD needed to do this for himself.

I'm not a JD fan, and I'd never heard of AH before this.

Just like he needed to swallow handfuls of ecstasy?

I don't know all the details of the trial. Handfuls of ecstacy might kill you. Smaller doses though are good for empathy and emotional connection, and used in therapeutic settings, particularly marriage counseling, for people who are open to that. I used many party drugs in the past, been around many people using drugs, and never saw anyone take "handfuls" of ecstasy. Also never witnessed violent behavior from ecstasy. Maybe really energetic dancing though.

This is wonderful. So much relevant knowledge being shared here to show how deeply innocent Johnny the Explorer is with his use of an interesting variety of medications. Yes, Mr. Depp, if I may call him that, is renowned for his exquisite dancing, as well as his genteel manner of textual communication and his ability to hold his drink and his blow and his stories together.

Cool, just wanted to make the point that "handfuls" of ecstasy is not realistic, and that someone who makes that claim is naive or a liar, and that taking ecstasy isn't indicative of anything other than wanting to take ecstasy, and certainly not aggression or violence. The more you know!!

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to step in and say that, while I grew up a JD fan, that's not why I believe him. Some AH supporters here are painting Johnny fans as people who side with the man always, upholders of the powerful patriarchy or whatever.

My bias is 100% about AH's Borderline Personality Disorder. I grew up with an abusive BPD mom, and once you know a BPD, you can't help it with the pattern recognition. BPDs will tell any lie to save their image (which to them feels like saving their very life), they absolutely will invent abuse to get back at someone (it is a favorite tactic), they will deny something that you just saw happen 5 minutes ago, they lie so much you start to wonder if they believe their own lies (no one knows for sure), they know that a big lie is better than a small "weak" lie, and they laugh at those they have deceived. They believe everyone else is just as corrupt as they are (like, "you would have done the same thing" and "the others are all liars"). Oh, and they LOVE to appear all charitable and selfless, like they are standing up for a cause ("I wrote an op-ed, now I'm just like Angelina Jolie!"), giving money to charity (or rather just lying about it), and sometimes legitimately doing good works (but for the wrong reasons).

This doesn't mean that a person with BPD can't also be a victim though. I think people with BPD are often victims, actually. But I don't believe it in this case, because Johnny does not fit any patterns that I know. He's been consistent. I relate to his need for truth. I don't agree that he went through all this just to abuse Amber. I believe he needed to do this for himself.

He had a good record before Amber. Yes, he admits to drug and alcohol abuse, but she was abusing drugs and alcohol too, so I don't buy the whole, "He probably can't remember what he did!" You know, she might not remember what happened either, in her drunken state, and anyway, it's her pattern to LIE.

So now it will be over. I look forward to reading about the closing arguments tomorrow.

As far as "which side is right," if it matters a lot to you, I believe it will become clear when you see how each of them live out the rest of their lives. I am feeling optimistic for Johnny, that he puts this behind him and goes on to better things.

Thank you for writing this. I also have a BPD parent and I can see the patterns in AH. When you lived with one for decades as your main caregiver, you know one when you see one. I also believe JD needed to do this for himself.

I'm not a JD fan, and I'd never heard of AH before this.

Just like he needed to swallow handfuls of ecstasy?

I don't know all the details of the trial. Handfuls of ecstacy might kill you. Smaller doses though are good for empathy and emotional connection, and used in therapeutic settings, particularly marriage counseling, for people who are open to that. I used many party drugs in the past, been around many people using drugs, and never saw anyone take "handfuls" of ecstasy. Also never witnessed violent behavior from ecstasy. Maybe really energetic dancing though.

This is wonderful. So much relevant knowledge being shared here to show how deeply innocent Johnny the Explorer is with his use of an interesting variety of medications. Yes, Mr. Depp, if I may call him that, is renowned for his exquisite dancing, as well as his genteel manner of textual communication and his ability to hold his drink and his blow and his stories together.

yawn

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to step in and say that, while I grew up a JD fan, that's not why I believe him. Some AH supporters here are painting Johnny fans as people who side with the man always, upholders of the powerful patriarchy or whatever.

My bias is 100% about AH's Borderline Personality Disorder. I grew up with an abusive BPD mom, and once you know a BPD, you can't help it with the pattern recognition. BPDs will tell any lie to save their image (which to them feels like saving their very life), they absolutely will invent abuse to get back at someone (it is a favorite tactic), they will deny something that you just saw happen 5 minutes ago, they lie so much you start to wonder if they believe their own lies (no one knows for sure), they know that a big lie is better than a small "weak" lie, and they laugh at those they have deceived. They believe everyone else is just as corrupt as they are (like, "you would have done the same thing" and "the others are all liars"). Oh, and they LOVE to appear all charitable and selfless, like they are standing up for a cause ("I wrote an op-ed, now I'm just like Angelina Jolie!"), giving money to charity (or rather just lying about it), and sometimes legitimately doing good works (but for the wrong reasons).

This doesn't mean that a person with BPD can't also be a victim though. I think people with BPD are often victims, actually. But I don't believe it in this case, because Johnny does not fit any patterns that I know. He's been consistent. I relate to his need for truth. I don't agree that he went through all this just to abuse Amber. I believe he needed to do this for himself.

He had a good record before Amber. Yes, he admits to drug and alcohol abuse, but she was abusing drugs and alcohol too, so I don't buy the whole, "He probably can't remember what he did!" You know, she might not remember what happened either, in her drunken state, and anyway, it's her pattern to LIE.

So now it will be over. I look forward to reading about the closing arguments tomorrow.

As far as "which side is right," if it matters a lot to you, I believe it will become clear when you see how each of them live out the rest of their lives. I am feeling optimistic for Johnny, that he puts this behind him and goes on to better things.

Thank you for writing this. I also have a BPD parent and I can see the patterns in AH. When you lived with one for decades as your main caregiver, you know one when you see one. I also believe JD needed to do this for himself.

I'm not a JD fan, and I'd never heard of AH before this.

Just like he needed to swallow handfuls of ecstasy?

I don't know all the details of the trial. Handfuls of ecstacy might kill you. Smaller doses though are good for empathy and emotional connection, and used in therapeutic settings, particularly marriage counseling, for people who are open to that. I used many party drugs in the past, been around many people using drugs, and never saw anyone take "handfuls" of ecstasy. Also never witnessed violent behavior from ecstasy. Maybe really energetic dancing though.

This is wonderful. So much relevant knowledge being shared here to show how deeply innocent Johnny the Explorer is with his use of an interesting variety of medications. Yes, Mr. Depp, if I may call him that, is renowned for his exquisite dancing, as well as his genteel manner of textual communication and his ability to hold his drink and his blow and his stories together.

yawn

Yes, your crackhead is an aged f’ing snooze who needs to high constantly. It would bore the hell out of anyone.

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Anonymous wrote:1. She sounded like she gave a strong speech today when she talked about what this has been like. Did the jury notice that she had zero tears, though?

2. It will be hard to wade through everything bc it’s as massive amount of evidence.

3. It will be hard to wade through experts who sound credible, all have weaknesses, and each one refutes another one. Who to believe?

I think they have both lied and massaged the truth.

The main question is whether he abused her. I think she proved that by the preponderance of the evidence. Take away the photos (let’s say they can’t agree whether they were doctored), take away his and her statements (bc they conflict on major points), take away her alleged abuse of him (not really necessary for the question as to whether she was abused by him), take away the dueling therapist experts….you’re left with witnesses:

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All you need is 50.001% that he abused her and his case ends. As for damages, I think she gets little or anything. She got her biggest role after the lawyer statements AND WB said that she tested well (audiences liked her) which was after the statements, too.

Why do you believe that women’s painful emotions and experiences aren’t real if they don’t shed tears? That’s feeding into a really misogynistic stereotype.

I don't. She,or any woman for that matter, does not need to shed tears but she also doesn't need to act like she was crying. It just came off as fake. And the way she was able to quickly switch from the emotional, weepy, abused Amber when questioned by her attorney to the argumentative and aggressive Amber when questioned by the opposing lawyer and then immediately revert back to the helpless Amber with the quivering voice on redirect.

Classic borderline move. No wonder JD wanted it on video. Borderlines love you one second and hate you the next. They say one thing one minute and then say it never happened the next.

Like JD and his texts?

What texts are you talking about? Did he send a text about loving her and then within a few seconds send another one where he wished her the worst? If that's the case, I'll say he's bordeline also

Oh, so it’s only borderline if you lie about it immediately, and completely emotionally healthy if you’re lying about something that happened a couple of years earlier?

Well things can change after a couple of years. It's completely normal to be in love with someone and then realize after 2 years of hell that you don't want to have anything to do with that person anymore and wish that they just drop dead. You might call it vindictive but not borderline. But if someone tells me that they love me and then the next few seconds tells me that they want me to drop dead then i'll think they have a bit of a mental issue.

Whether you love someone isn’t the only thing a person can lie about.

I know I'm just giving an example. If you say 2 contradictory things to me in a span of 2 years, I'll just think that you change your mind. If you tell me 2 contradictory things within a few seconds, I'll think you may not have it all together.

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Anonymous wrote:1. She sounded like she gave a strong speech today when she talked about what this has been like. Did the jury notice that she had zero tears, though?

2. It will be hard to wade through everything bc it’s as massive amount of evidence.

3. It will be hard to wade through experts who sound credible, all have weaknesses, and each one refutes another one. Who to believe?

I think they have both lied and massaged the truth.

The main question is whether he abused her. I think she proved that by the preponderance of the evidence. Take away the photos (let’s say they can’t agree whether they were doctored), take away his and her statements (bc they conflict on major points), take away her alleged abuse of him (not really necessary for the question as to whether she was abused by him), take away the dueling therapist experts….you’re left with witnesses:

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Dark haired friend at the TRO hearing

All you need is 50.001% that he abused her and his case ends. As for damages, I think she gets little or anything. She got her biggest role after the lawyer statements AND WB said that she tested well (audiences liked her) which was after the statements, too.

Why do you believe that women’s painful emotions and experiences aren’t real if they don’t shed tears? That’s feeding into a really misogynistic stereotype.

I don't. She,or any woman for that matter, does not need to shed tears but she also doesn't need to act like she was crying. It just came off as fake. And the way she was able to quickly switch from the emotional, weepy, abused Amber when questioned by her attorney to the argumentative and aggressive Amber when questioned by the opposing lawyer and then immediately revert back to the helpless Amber with the quivering voice on redirect.

Classic borderline move. No wonder JD wanted it on video. Borderlines love you one second and hate you the next. They say one thing one minute and then say it never happened the next.

Like JD and his texts?

What texts are you talking about? Did he send a text about loving her and then within a few seconds send another one where he wished her the worst? If that's the case, I'll say he's bordeline also

Oh, so it’s only borderline if you lie about it immediately, and completely emotionally healthy if you’re lying about something that happened a couple of years earlier?

Well things can change after a couple of years. It's completely normal to be in love with someone and then realize after 2 years of hell that you don't want to have anything to do with that person anymore and wish that they just drop dead. You might call it vindictive but not borderline. But if someone tells me that they love me and then the next few seconds tells me that they want me to drop dead then i'll think they have a bit of a mental issue.

Whether you love someone isn’t the only thing a person can lie about.

I know I'm just giving an example. If you say 2 contradictory things to me in a span of 2 years, I'll just think that you change your mind. If you tell me 2 contradictory things within a few seconds, I'll think you may not have it all together.

If you clearly and demonstrably did something a couple of years ago and then try to lie about it and claim people falsified the records later, that’s not normal.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to step in and say that, while I grew up a JD fan, that's not why I believe him. Some AH supporters here are painting Johnny fans as people who side with the man always, upholders of the powerful patriarchy or whatever.

My bias is 100% about AH's Borderline Personality Disorder. I grew up with an abusive BPD mom, and once you know a BPD, you can't help it with the pattern recognition. BPDs will tell any lie to save their image (which to them feels like saving their very life), they absolutely will invent abuse to get back at someone (it is a favorite tactic), they will deny something that you just saw happen 5 minutes ago, they lie so much you start to wonder if they believe their own lies (no one knows for sure), they know that a big lie is better than a small "weak" lie, and they laugh at those they have deceived. They believe everyone else is just as corrupt as they are (like, "you would have done the same thing" and "the others are all liars"). Oh, and they LOVE to appear all charitable and selfless, like they are standing up for a cause ("I wrote an op-ed, now I'm just like Angelina Jolie!"), giving money to charity (or rather just lying about it), and sometimes legitimately doing good works (but for the wrong reasons).

This doesn't mean that a person with BPD can't also be a victim though. I think people with BPD are often victims, actually. But I don't believe it in this case, because Johnny does not fit any patterns that I know. He's been consistent. I relate to his need for truth. I don't agree that he went through all this just to abuse Amber. I believe he needed to do this for himself.

He had a good record before Amber. Yes, he admits to drug and alcohol abuse, but she was abusing drugs and alcohol too, so I don't buy the whole, "He probably can't remember what he did!" You know, she might not remember what happened either, in her drunken state, and anyway, it's her pattern to LIE.

So now it will be over. I look forward to reading about the closing arguments tomorrow.

As far as "which side is right," if it matters a lot to you, I believe it will become clear when you see how each of them live out the rest of their lives. I am feeling optimistic for Johnny, that he puts this behind him and goes on to better things.

Does that consistency and need for truth include Depp accusing defense counsel of having fabricated evidence of his tweets when his own legal team produced them in discovery and did not contest their authenticity? And does that consistency include his pathetic fake accents that changes periodically when he forgets to maintain the pretense?

You know he thinks you’re a parasite, right? He has said that very openly about his fans and supporter.

The texts that were brought out in court that JD said he didn't recognized were actually not from him. It was pointed out later by some commentators that those texts appeared on the evidence as incoming. The text that JD said was his (the long, colorful one) was an outgoing. All these texts were from JD's phone so the incoming texts would not have been from him. So really AH's lawyers were sneaky and tried to make him admit something that he didn't write.

Then why didn’t his lawyers point out that the evidence was being misrepresented during his testimony? Are you saying Camille is too stupid to know her own care?

I don't know why nobody caught on at that moment. Maybe in the heat of the moment, his lawyers didn't catch that detail, but the evidence is there and the truth is AH's lawyers made a calculated move to deceive the jury.

It was a pretty lengthy exchange and his lawyer objected it on a bunch of other grounds before it was admitted into evidence. That would be a pretty massive oversight to have substantive discussions of the admissibility of evidence and it even look at the exhibit.

Well I'm not his lawyers and I don't know why they didn't catch it. All I know is commnentators from Law and Crime youtube channel mentioned it during a break the following day and they showed a pic of the evidence.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe those commenters were wrong?

I have no idea. They seem pretty legit to me. Their commentaries sound pretty balanced and I think they replayed a snippet when that evidence was shown to the jury and it did say incoming. Now, I don't know if they doctored it and I'm just too lazy to go back and check.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to step in and say that, while I grew up a JD fan, that's not why I believe him. Some AH supporters here are painting Johnny fans as people who side with the man always, upholders of the powerful patriarchy or whatever.

My bias is 100% about AH's Borderline Personality Disorder. I grew up with an abusive BPD mom, and once you know a BPD, you can't help it with the pattern recognition. BPDs will tell any lie to save their image (which to them feels like saving their very life), they absolutely will invent abuse to get back at someone (it is a favorite tactic), they will deny something that you just saw happen 5 minutes ago, they lie so much you start to wonder if they believe their own lies (no one knows for sure), they know that a big lie is better than a small "weak" lie, and they laugh at those they have deceived. They believe everyone else is just as corrupt as they are (like, "you would have done the same thing" and "the others are all liars"). Oh, and they LOVE to appear all charitable and selfless, like they are standing up for a cause ("I wrote an op-ed, now I'm just like Angelina Jolie!"), giving money to charity (or rather just lying about it), and sometimes legitimately doing good works (but for the wrong reasons).

This doesn't mean that a person with BPD can't also be a victim though. I think people with BPD are often victims, actually. But I don't believe it in this case, because Johnny does not fit any patterns that I know. He's been consistent. I relate to his need for truth. I don't agree that he went through all this just to abuse Amber. I believe he needed to do this for himself.

He had a good record before Amber. Yes, he admits to drug and alcohol abuse, but she was abusing drugs and alcohol too, so I don't buy the whole, "He probably can't remember what he did!" You know, she might not remember what happened either, in her drunken state, and anyway, it's her pattern to LIE.

So now it will be over. I look forward to reading about the closing arguments tomorrow.

As far as "which side is right," if it matters a lot to you, I believe it will become clear when you see how each of them live out the rest of their lives. I am feeling optimistic for Johnny, that he puts this behind him and goes on to better things.

Thank you for writing this. I also have a BPD parent and I can see the patterns in AH. When you lived with one for decades as your main caregiver, you know one when you see one. I also believe JD needed to do this for himself.

I'm not a JD fan, and I'd never heard of AH before this.

Just like he needed to swallow handfuls of ecstasy?

I don't know all the details of the trial. Handfuls of ecstacy might kill you. Smaller doses though are good for empathy and emotional connection, and used in therapeutic settings, particularly marriage counseling, for people who are open to that. I used many party drugs in the past, been around many people using drugs, and never saw anyone take "handfuls" of ecstasy. Also never witnessed violent behavior from ecstasy. Maybe really energetic dancing though.

This is wonderful. So much relevant knowledge being shared here to show how deeply innocent Johnny the Explorer is with his use of an interesting variety of medications. Yes, Mr. Depp, if I may call him that, is renowned for his exquisite dancing, as well as his genteel manner of textual communication and his ability to hold his drink and his blow and his stories together.

yawn

Yes, your crackhead is an aged f’ing snooze who needs to high constantly. It would bore the hell out of anyone.

No. You would. Let the cool people talk.