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Anonymous
| One game and out |
Anonymous
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"How does state cup work? you pay a fee and one game and out or is there group stage and top advances?"
Disregard, confirmed that it's one loss and you're out. |
Anonymous
It is one and done, then there is a group stage. So it is no small investment for the guarantee of just one game. |
Anonymous
Thanks, yes no small investment so it would be a big gamble for small teams unless they were sure they could progress. |
Anonymous
| Why is the size of the "gamble" related to the size of the club? Some big clubs have crap teams and some small clubs have good teams. It looks like the application fee for state cup is $400. |
Anonymous
It is more than that. There is the scheduling nightmare of fitting State Cup in with your regular league schedule, should you advance and the extra costs associated with that. It isn't so much the "gamble" but it could be either "just another tournament" or it could be a $400 game. |
Anonymous
Big clubs also have several teams they can use to fill out the roster for the State Cup team. |
Anonymous
Yes and no. There is a roster limit and the roster does lock, so there is no ability to use a form of player pass. State Cup forces you to dance with the girl you brought with you. |
Anonymous
| Seeding plays a big factor as well |
Anonymous
True, but when you set that roster, you can include a few players from the B team. Not sure what the limits are, but they're definitely bigger than the typical league roster. |
Anonymous
Roster Size and Continuity - A U19, U18, U17, U16, U15 and U14 team must not allow more than twenty-two (22) players on its roster at any given time during the seasonal year. A U13 team must not allow more that eighteen (18) players on its roster at any given time during the season year. A U12 team must not allow more than fourteen (14) players on its roster at any given time during the seasonal year D. Rosters "Frozen" - There will be ONE FREEZE DATE for all teams entered in Fall or Spring State Cup competition. The rosters of every team under 15-18 entered in the Fall State Cup competition are frozen on September 13, 2012 at 12:01 a.m. Rosters of every team under 12-14 entering the State Cup Spring competition are frozen on April 11, 2013 at 12:01 a.m. Rosters of every under 19 team entering the Spring State Cup competition are frozen on May, 30 2013 at 12:01 am. After the State Cup roster is frozen: (1) no "additions or transfers to the roster are allowed for the VYSA State Cup competition. and (2) a team and its players shall be considered to have competed in the State Cup competition for that seasonal year, whether or not the team or players actually play in a State Cup game. Teams and players may compete in only one (1) State Cup competition in a seasonal year. This rule has not changed and will apply to each player until the team they play on is eliminated from a National Championship Series Competition. Each Cup event is separate, State Cup, Regional Cup and National Cup. No player may move to another Cup team until the current Cup event they are playing in is finished and then only if the team they played on has been eliminated from any level of the National Championship Series competition. |
Anonymous
and for CCL: A team may have no more than five Club Pass Players in any game and no more than the maximum number of total players permitted for that age group: U9-U10: 12 players, U11-U12: 14 players; U13-U19: 18 players. Although a 22 man roster is permitted for U14-U19 teams, only 18 players may be present in uniform to play in league games and remaining players may remain on sidelines if not in uniform. So no, the rosters are not "definitely bigger than the typical league roster." |
Anonymous
But when you're talking about Club Passes, either in CCL or NCSL, you're already talking about bigger clubs, and you're already talking about a "roster" that includes some players that are going to play most weeks on the "B" team but may be rostered for the "A" team for State Cup or the occasional CCL/NCSL game. The State Cup teams I've seen are generally 70 percent-ish "A" team and 30 percent-ish "B" team. If your club is already moving players up and down with regularity, then it may seem seamless. We're splitting hairs, anyway -- this is only one of the reasons smaller clubs (or independent teams registered through VISTA or elsewhere) aren't likely to enter State Cup. |
Anonymous
| For $400 the first round should be a group stage with 1 & 2 advancing. Likely would increase enrollment into cup. With an entry of group stage and guarantee of 3 games, fee could be raised as well. |
Anonymous
And many small clubs don't care (nor do the players) about State Titles. I say that as somebody whose kids left a CCL club due to shitty training. State Titles are NOT a factor in my choosing a club for my kids. I earned 4 State titles and a Regional title myself and it did nothing to improve me as a player. Player development and coaching staff are the utmost importance...and a 'feeling'. We are so much happier and the players and staff are much better. Many of the players train Internationally over the breaks. They have a world view, not a State view. It's intimate and the level of training is light-years above our old big...churn 'em out, don't make eye contact with parents former club. The Technical staff knows all of the players down to the 7-year olds. In fact, they invest time building from the bottom up. We came from a place where all of the emphasis was on the older players. The TDs had nothing to do with the younger players and there was zero club philosophy or style of play. It was pretty much---just grab up the best players from elsewhere at 14/15 to keep winning titles. No loyalty or investment in those from the ground up. |