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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Easiest way to gauge the quality of the leagues is look at the state championships and what league the clubs are playing in. 90 percent are ccl

Particularly from three clubs -- Arlington, Loudoun and Braddock Road. They'll be great no matter which leagues they're in. Arlington and Loudoun have massive talent pools. Braddock Road has tradition (Hamm, Ellis, Cromwell, etc.) and great coaches.

Seems strange for people in other CCL clubs to justify trips to Virginia Beach and Roanoke when the top-tier CCL clubs are already here in NoVa.

I'd actually be more impressed with the argument (and I've heard it made before) that CCL exists so Roanoke, Beach FC and company can play NoVa and Richmond teams more often.

Some of those listed are not due to player development within the club. One I am very familiar with recruits almost all of their players from outside the Club in the teen years. They can't even fill a top team with their homegrown players.

For your kid's personal development you are going to have to dig much deeper and look at Club philosophy and Coaches...or face your kid being cut in a few years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Easiest way to gauge the quality of the leagues is look at the state championships and what league the clubs are playing in. 90 percent are ccl

Particularly from three clubs -- Arlington, Loudoun and Braddock Road. They'll be great no matter which leagues they're in. Arlington and Loudoun have massive talent pools. Braddock Road has tradition (Hamm, Ellis, Cromwell, etc.) and great coaches.

Seems strange for people in other CCL clubs to justify trips to Virginia Beach and Roanoke when the top-tier CCL clubs are already here in NoVa.

I'd actually be more impressed with the argument (and I've heard it made before) that CCL exists so Roanoke, Beach FC and company can play NoVa and Richmond teams more often.

Some of those listed are not due to player development within the club. One I am very familiar with recruits almost all of their players from outside the Club in the teen years. They can't even fill a top team with their homegrown players.

For your kid's personal development you are going to have to dig much deeper and look at Club philosophy and Coaches...or face your kid being cut in a few years.

Do you mean "cut" completely or just from the A team going to CCL games?

Do CCL-club parents end up with even more of an "A team or bust" mentality than we see elsewhere?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Easiest way to gauge the quality of the leagues is look at the state championships and what league the clubs are playing in. 90 percent are ccl

Particularly from three clubs -- Arlington, Loudoun and Braddock Road. They'll be great no matter which leagues they're in. Arlington and Loudoun have massive talent pools. Braddock Road has tradition (Hamm, Ellis, Cromwell, etc.) and great coaches.

Seems strange for people in other CCL clubs to justify trips to Virginia Beach and Roanoke when the top-tier CCL clubs are already here in NoVa.

I'd actually be more impressed with the argument (and I've heard it made before) that CCL exists so Roanoke, Beach FC and company can play NoVa and Richmond teams more often.

Some of those listed are not due to player development within the club. One I am very familiar with recruits almost all of their players from outside the Club in the teen years. They can't even fill a top team with their homegrown players.

For your kid's personal development you are going to have to dig much deeper and look at Club philosophy and Coaches...or face your kid being cut in a few years.

And many of the smaller clubs don't even apply for VA State Cup....hence the big names in the final brackets...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Easiest way to gauge the quality of the leagues is look at the state championships and what league the clubs are playing in. 90 percent are ccl

Particularly from three clubs -- Arlington, Loudoun and Braddock Road. They'll be great no matter which leagues they're in. Arlington and Loudoun have massive talent pools. Braddock Road has tradition (Hamm, Ellis, Cromwell, etc.) and great coaches.

Seems strange for people in other CCL clubs to justify trips to Virginia Beach and Roanoke when the top-tier CCL clubs are already here in NoVa.

I'd actually be more impressed with the argument (and I've heard it made before) that CCL exists so Roanoke, Beach FC and company can play NoVa and Richmond teams more often.

Some of those listed are not due to player development within the club. One I am very familiar with recruits almost all of their players from outside the Club in the teen years. They can't even fill a top team with their homegrown players.

For your kid's personal development you are going to have to dig much deeper and look at Club philosophy and Coaches...or face your kid being cut in a few years.

Do you mean "cut" completely or just from the A team going to CCL games?

Do CCL-club parents end up with even more of an "A team or bust" mentality than we see elsewhere?

Cut completely was the drill in recent years. However, now that they are adding six teams even in the upper age groups and filling their Academy team with outside players---most will now just demoted down to a lower team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Easiest way to gauge the quality of the leagues is look at the state championships and what league the clubs are playing in. 90 percent are ccl

Particularly from three clubs -- Arlington, Loudoun and Braddock Road. They'll be great no matter which leagues they're in. Arlington and Loudoun have massive talent pools. Braddock Road has tradition (Hamm, Ellis, Cromwell, etc.) and great coaches.

Seems strange for people in other CCL clubs to justify trips to Virginia Beach and Roanoke when the top-tier CCL clubs are already here in NoVa.

I'd actually be more impressed with the argument (and I've heard it made before) that CCL exists so Roanoke, Beach FC and company can play NoVa and Richmond teams more often.

Some of those listed are not due to player development within the club. One I am very familiar with recruits almost all of their players from outside the Club in the teen years. They can't even fill a top team with their homegrown players.

For your kid's personal development you are going to have to dig much deeper and look at Club philosophy and Coaches...or face your kid being cut in a few years.

Do you mean "cut" completely or just from the A team going to CCL games?

Do CCL-club parents end up with even more of an "A team or bust" mentality than we see elsewhere?

Cut completely was the drill in recent years. However, now that they are adding six teams even in the upper age groups and filling their Academy team with outside players---most will now just demoted down to a lower team.

HA! The A team doesn't go to CCL games. The A team is now the DA team...don't let the colors full you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Easiest way to gauge the quality of the leagues is look at the state championships and what league the clubs are playing in. 90 percent are ccl

Particularly from three clubs -- Arlington, Loudoun and Braddock Road. They'll be great no matter which leagues they're in. Arlington and Loudoun have massive talent pools. Braddock Road has tradition (Hamm, Ellis, Cromwell, etc.) and great coaches.

Seems strange for people in other CCL clubs to justify trips to Virginia Beach and Roanoke when the top-tier CCL clubs are already here in NoVa.

I'd actually be more impressed with the argument (and I've heard it made before) that CCL exists so Roanoke, Beach FC and company can play NoVa and Richmond teams more often.

Some of those listed are not due to player development within the club. One I am very familiar with recruits almost all of their players from outside the Club in the teen years. They can't even fill a top team with their homegrown players.

For your kid's personal development you are going to have to dig much deeper and look at Club philosophy and Coaches...or face your kid being cut in a few years.

Do you mean "cut" completely or just from the A team going to CCL games?

Do CCL-club parents end up with even more of an "A team or bust" mentality than we see elsewhere?

Cut completely was the drill in recent years. However, now that they are adding six teams even in the upper age groups and filling their Academy team with outside players---most will now just demoted down to a lower team.

HA! The A team doesn't go to CCL games. The A team is now the DA team...don't let the colors full you.

So if both my kids are on the A team, one might be playing in Roanoke while the other is playing Lehigh Valley United?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Easiest way to gauge the quality of the leagues is look at the state championships and what league the clubs are playing in. 90 percent are ccl

Particularly from three clubs -- Arlington, Loudoun and Braddock Road. They'll be great no matter which leagues they're in. Arlington and Loudoun have massive talent pools. Braddock Road has tradition (Hamm, Ellis, Cromwell, etc.) and great coaches.

Seems strange for people in other CCL clubs to justify trips to Virginia Beach and Roanoke when the top-tier CCL clubs are already here in NoVa.

I'd actually be more impressed with the argument (and I've heard it made before) that CCL exists so Roanoke, Beach FC and company can play NoVa and Richmond teams more often.

Some of those listed are not due to player development within the club. One I am very familiar with recruits almost all of their players from outside the Club in the teen years. They can't even fill a top team with their homegrown players.

For your kid's personal development you are going to have to dig much deeper and look at Club philosophy and Coaches...or face your kid being cut in a few years.

Do you mean "cut" completely or just from the A team going to CCL games?

Do CCL-club parents end up with even more of an "A team or bust" mentality than we see elsewhere?

Cut completely was the drill in recent years. However, now that they are adding six teams even in the upper age groups and filling their Academy team with outside players---most will now just demoted down to a lower team.

HA! The A team doesn't go to CCL games. The A team is now the DA team...don't let the colors full you.

So if both my kids are on the A team, one might be playing in Roanoke while the other is playing Lehigh Valley United?

If both of your kids are in the same CCL club they both would have the same game location just different times

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:HA! The A team doesn't go to CCL games. The A team is now the DA team...don't let the colors full you.

So if both my kids are on the A team, one might be playing in Roanoke while the other is playing Lehigh Valley United?

If both of your kids are in the same CCL club they both would have the same game location just different times

Um ... did you not see the context? If one A team (say, U11) is in CCL and another is in the DA ...

I'm beginning to wonder if a CCL fan somehow managed to program a bot for this board.

[Anonymous]

So are you saying that a club should have only homegrown kids? Some homegrown kids? At least one homegrown kid? I mean clubs have open tryouts. Club takes the best kids who try out. Granted, everything being equal between kids, you go with the kid you know, but are you surprised that your club picks kids from the outside if they are better than the homegrown kids? If so, why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So are you saying that a club should have only homegrown kids? Some homegrown kids? At least one homegrown kid? I mean clubs have open tryouts. Club takes the best kids who try out. Granted, everything being equal between kids, you go with the kid you know, but are you surprised that your club picks kids from the outside if they are better than the homegrown kids? If so, why?

No. I am surprised that by the time they reach age 13 only 4-5 or so of the 70 kids they developed since age 8 can make their 26 player team.

If they were as good as developing talent as they claim...there should be a lot more.

But, when the upper age TDs ignore the U9-U12s ...that's what you get. No uniting club development or philosophy. No communication or plan. In fact, they don't even know any of the younger kids in the program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So are you saying that a club should have only homegrown kids? Some homegrown kids? At least one homegrown kid? I mean clubs have open tryouts. Club takes the best kids who try out. Granted, everything being equal between kids, you go with the kid you know, but are you surprised that your club picks kids from the outside if they are better than the homegrown kids? If so, why?

No. I am surprised that by the time they reach age 13 only 4-5 or so of the 70 kids they developed since age 8 can make their 26 player team.

If they were as good as developing talent as they claim...there should be a lot more.

But, when the upper age TDs ignore the U9-U12s ...that's what you get. No uniting club development or philosophy. No communication or plan. In fact, they don't even know any of the younger kids in the program.

Any idea of why that is? What are other clubs doing that Arlington is pulling from that they are not doing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Easiest way to gauge the quality of the leagues is look at the state championships and what league the clubs are playing in. 90 percent are ccl

Particularly from three clubs -- Arlington, Loudoun and Braddock Road. They'll be great no matter which leagues they're in. Arlington and Loudoun have massive talent pools. Braddock Road has tradition (Hamm, Ellis, Cromwell, etc.) and great coaches.

Seems strange for people in other CCL clubs to justify trips to Virginia Beach and Roanoke when the top-tier CCL clubs are already here in NoVa.

I'd actually be more impressed with the argument (and I've heard it made before) that CCL exists so Roanoke, Beach FC and company can play NoVa and Richmond teams more often.

Some of those listed are not due to player development within the club. One I am very familiar with recruits almost all of their players from outside the Club in the teen years. They can't even fill a top team with their homegrown players.

For your kid's personal development you are going to have to dig much deeper and look at Club philosophy and Coaches...or face your kid being cut in a few years.

And many of the smaller clubs don't even apply for VA State Cup....hence the big names in the final brackets...

The big names are in the final brackets because they're better. Smaller clubs stop sending their teams to state cute because they realize it's a waste of only because they don't stand a chance. You act as if it's being in a small club that prevents them from competing but if a team at a small cub thought they had a shot at the title, they'd be willing to pay the money.

By the way, McLean and Loudoun have 2 teams, and BRYC has 1 team, competing for a National Championship: http://championships.usyouthsoccer.org/live/

[Anonymous]

CCL has Two National Champions this weekend! Loudoun U16B and McLean U15B and three Finalists: Loudoun U17B McLean U19G and BRYC U14G.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So are you saying that a club should have only homegrown kids? Some homegrown kids? At least one homegrown kid? I mean clubs have open tryouts. Club takes the best kids who try out. Granted, everything being equal between kids, you go with the kid you know, but are you surprised that your club picks kids from the outside if they are better than the homegrown kids? If so, why?

No. I am surprised that by the time they reach age 13 only 4-5 or so of the 70 kids they developed since age 8 can make their 26 player team.

If they were as good as developing talent as they claim...there should be a lot more.

But, when the upper age TDs ignore the U9-U12s ...that's what you get. No uniting club development or philosophy. No communication or plan. In fact, they don't even know any of the younger kids in the program.

This post assumes an awful lot.

1. You have no idea if some kids went to other clubs freely.
2. Some kids do quit the sport.
3. And other kids do actually develop and some kids do not in a relative sense.

Not every 9 year old A team player stays a A team player and not every 9 year old C team player stays a C team player.

[Anonymous]

"The big names are in the final brackets because they're better. Smaller clubs stop sending their teams to state cute because they realize it's a waste of only because they don't stand a chance. You act as if it's being in a small club that prevents them from competing but if a team at a small cub thought they had a shot at the title, they'd be willing to pay the money. "

How does state cup work? you pay a fee and one game and out or is there group stage and top advances?