US has no good options in Ukraine

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Anonymous wrote:Objectively Ukraine striking the plant and blaming Russia makes sense
It's sure to garner sympathy, perhaps get them more support and force against Russia and no one would believe that they did it. Plus destroy a valuable asset before the enemy does is not unheard-of.

There's no " good reason" for Russia to strike the plant they know it will ramp up action and outrage towards them plus that functional plant would be a valuable asset to them.

It's also possible it was an accidental hit by one or the other and blaming the other works because accidentally striking a nuclear plant makes you an idiot.

This is insane.

You do know that Russia now has control of the plant, right? How do you think this happened?
And, the employees there have stated that Russia's plan is told hold Europe hostage by threatening to turn off the power. Lovely.
There is no way Ukraine would do this. This was Russia.

DP but actually it makes more sense. Why would Russia bombed the plant when they know they need the plant to hold Europe hostage by turning off the power? A plant which would be valuable to them? It seems more likely Ukraine knew Russia was about to take the plant did not want Russia to have that valuable asset (which I agree and would probably do if I was in their shoes).

They didn't bomb the plant. They bombed a training area in order to take over the plant.

You people are truly insane.

Really? It was Russia infantry firing on the facility they were told to take. So it was a bunch of 18 year olds with rifles and tanks who most likely did not know it was a nuclear plant. Anything could have happened. You are a Putin stooge.

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Oops. I’m crying even harder for humanity.

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Anonymous wrote:Objectively Ukraine striking the plant and blaming Russia makes sense
It's sure to garner sympathy, perhaps get them more support and force against Russia and no one would believe that they did it. Plus destroy a valuable asset before the enemy does is not unheard-of.

There's no " good reason" for Russia to strike the plant they know it will ramp up action and outrage towards them plus that functional plant would be a valuable asset to them.

It's also possible it was an accidental hit by one or the other and blaming the other works because accidentally striking a nuclear plant makes you an idiot.

This is insane.

You do know that Russia now has control of the plant, right? How do you think this happened?
And, the employees there have stated that Russia's plan is told hold Europe hostage by threatening to turn off the power. Lovely.
There is no way Ukraine would do this. This was Russia.

DP but actually it makes more sense. Why would Russia bombed the plant when they know they need the plant to hold Europe hostage by turning off the power? A plant which would be valuable to them? It seems more likely Ukraine knew Russia was about to take the plant did not want Russia to have that valuable asset (which I agree and would probably do if I was in their shoes).

They didn't bomb the plant. They bombed a training area in order to take over the plant.

You people are truly insane.

That's idiotic. In what way does it make sense to bomb the training building of a civilian nuclear power plant in order to take it over? The video feed showed the parking lot being shelled as well. It was completely random, indiscriminate Russian artillery fire that easily could have hit one of the reactors.

The Russians are desperate. This is not going as smoothly as they thought it would. It was intimidation. The Ukrainians reportedly surrendered the plant because they feared the Russians would strike the reactors.

Two posts ago they were claiming that Russia didnt do anything. Now they're at least admitting they did. Seems like we have to go through all the stages. Next will be the claim that the US attacks nuclear plants all the time.

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What happens when Russia strikes transports bringing in supplies from the west? Are western countries crossing into Ukraine from Poland or just bringing supplies to the border? and what are the odds Russia could target the border crossings or even routes in Poland?

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To those who are saying India *needs* to support Europe/the West for the greater good and India's own good, I am not really sure you know Indian history.

China annexed and occupied a large part of India in Sino-India war, there's been no condemnation of that from the US or any European country. China's actions in South Asia have been as bad as Russia's actions in the Baltics, but nobody came to India's aid.

And the history gets worse. Pakistan, in trying to invade and occupy Kashmir, blatantly got U.S. support. And when I say U.S. support, I mean actual support - weapons, aircraft, all types of high-end military gear. (India still kicked Pakistan's ass after all of that, so there's that.)

And in 1971, during the Indo-Pak war, the U.S. literally sent their Naval ships to attack India...and Russia was the only country who intervened.

What the eff has the U.S. done to ever earn India's trust and friendship? They will need to be as blatantly pro-India as they are pro-Israel. They have to openly and unambiguously cut all ties with Pakistan. They have to fund India and arm India. And then maybe a real bond of real trust and real friendship can happen.

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Anonymous wrote:To those who are saying India *needs* to support Europe/the West for the greater good and India's own good, I am not really sure you know Indian history.

China annexed and occupied a large part of India in Sino-India war, there's been no condemnation of that from the US or any European country. China's actions in South Asia have been as bad as Russia's actions in the Baltics, but nobody came to India's aid.

And the history gets worse. Pakistan, in trying to invade and occupy Kashmir, blatantly got U.S. support. And when I say U.S. support, I mean actual support - weapons, aircraft, all types of high-end military gear. (India still kicked Pakistan's ass after all of that, so there's that.)

And in 1971, during the Indo-Pak war, the U.S. literally sent their Naval ships to attack India...and Russia was the only country who intervened.

What the eff has the U.S. done to ever earn India's trust and friendship? They will need to be as blatantly pro-India as they are pro-Israel. They have to openly and unambiguously cut all ties with Pakistan. They have to fund India and arm India. And then maybe a real bond of real trust and real friendship can happen.

There's quite a bit of outright lies in that.

1. How does letting Russia get away with this help them vis a vis China? Does Russia suceeding in taking Ukraine by force and wiping out their identity make it more or less likely for China (or Pakistan) try and do the same?

2. Kashmir was never settled after partition. Both India and Pakistan invaded and annexed it.

3. Pakistan's invasion of India directly led to the dissolution of SEATO. An Asian version of NATO. Let's be clear, the US cancelled a defensive alliance because one of the members invaded India. Nixon did provide some intelligence and support in the background though. It should be remembered that India rejected joining SEATO and was officially non-aligned during the Cold War.

4. Following the end of the first Afghan War. A war in which it took 10+ years to approach Russia's week old casualty numbers in Ukraine. The US cut Pakistan off and held up a larg shipment of F16s that Pakistan had already paid for. This was done in response to Pakistan's nuclear program. Let's be clear again, the US ended an alliance with Pakistan a second time because of Pakistan's actions towards India.

India was non-aligned during the Cold War while Pakistan was western aligned. Despite that the US repeatedly took steps against Pakistan when it threatened India. Pakistan is no longer Western aligned. It has been China and Russian aligned since Imran Khan, former cricket player and london playboy, came to power. Putin was clearly threatening India when he basically announced the invasion alongside Imran Khan.

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Anonymous wrote:To those who are saying India *needs* to support Europe/the West for the greater good and India's own good, I am not really sure you know Indian history.

China annexed and occupied a large part of India in Sino-India war, there's been no condemnation of that from the US or any European country. China's actions in South Asia have been as bad as Russia's actions in the Baltics, but nobody came to India's aid.

And the history gets worse. Pakistan, in trying to invade and occupy Kashmir, blatantly got U.S. support. And when I say U.S. support, I mean actual support - weapons, aircraft, all types of high-end military gear. (India still kicked Pakistan's ass after all of that, so there's that.)

And in 1971, during the Indo-Pak war, the U.S. literally sent their Naval ships to attack India...and Russia was the only country who intervened.

What the eff has the U.S. done to ever earn India's trust and friendship? They will need to be as blatantly pro-India as they are pro-Israel. They have to openly and unambiguously cut all ties with Pakistan. They have to fund India and arm India. And then maybe a real bond of real trust and real friendship can happen.

Indian history... you throw around a bunch of old history, the most recent of which was 50 years ago, while ignoring all history since then. You either don't know Indian people, or only an extreme minority of Indians. Indians view the US very favorably - polling as high as 80% with a favorable view of the US. And maybe you forgot that compared to the racist, nationalist, Russians, our Vice-President's mother is Indian, born in Madras. Also, the US is the biggest trade partner that India has, greatly dwarfing China, Russia, UAE, Saudi and others combined. Your arguments carry little substance or weight.

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Interesting…

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I read they are creating compassion corridors for refugees be transported out of high risk areas. I am hopeful.

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I read they are creating compassion corridors for refugees be transported out of high risk areas. I am hopeful.

A friend told me that Russia is actually rounding up fleeing civilians and transporting them to Russian-held cities.

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I’m finding it fascinating that Russian’s security FSB is thwarting the assassination attempts by Putin’s Chechen groups. Anyone care to comment? It seems like the FSB has turned against Putin, but I don’t have the background knowledge.

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The post title could be flipped to "Russia has no good options in Ukraine". The article gets into it.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/no-good-outcome-putins-unraveling-100129631.html

Russia already effectively lost the war. Ukraine is destroyed and the people are evacuating (so nobody to rule), and resistance/weaponry will keep flooding in to grind down the Russian army. They've destroyed their own economy and place in the world in order to create a wasteland where their soldiers will keep dying.