Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because that is what the consumers want.

If you just want training and a tournament team to play for you may play for Evergreen FC. Clubs like this exist too. Stop whining about the poor state of your leagues existance and look elswhere. Shop around a little and you might be surprised what you'll fined.

Hell even look for Futsal clubs but please stop blaiming CCL for your dissatisfaction with youth soccer. You really are tiring and sound like a baby. It is called choice and you have the ability to excercise that choice.

Have we not firmly established that there are *multiple* people in this discussion who are not involved with CCL but are concerned with the fragmentation of youth soccer in this region?

And have you EVER made an attempt to refute that argument? Or are you the one who says nothing other than "choice" and "quit whining"?

Here's an idea: Why don't *you* exercise choice? There's a good discussion going on here, with good points made from a variety of perspectives. You can *choose* to be a part of it, or not.

With that, I *choose* to quit responding to you.

I made this thread for you:
http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/0/572558.page#9273858

[Anonymous]

You will never convince -- that CCL makes sense b/c he's made up his mind, written his columns and gone to some conventions and now thinks only his opinion is the right opinion of how the DC area soccer leagues should be set up. Amazing how someone who think he knows so much can know so little.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You will never convince -- that CCL makes sense b/c he's made up his mind, written his columns and gone to some conventions and now thinks only his opinion is the right opinion of how the DC area soccer leagues should be set up. Amazing how someone who think he knows so much can know so little.

The thing is I'm not trying to convince anyone that CCL does make sense. All I'm trying to explain that there are differences in the way leagues are structured and why. These philosophical differences in structure are the reason why we have multiple leagues and not one "mega" league.

Both Burger King and McDonalds make hamburgers but they both go about making them fundamentally different. It is up to you to determine which you like best, or which is less bad.

If you don't understand and accept these differences you can't even begin a conversation about how to change the landscape much less pick the right spot for your kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You will never convince -- that CCL makes sense b/c he's made up his mind, written his columns and gone to some conventions and now thinks only his opinion is the right opinion of how the DC area soccer leagues should be set up. Amazing how someone who think he knows so much can know so little.

There's more than one person in this thread. And these conversations take place all over.

The fact that CCL is discussing changes to reduce travel would seem to indicate they recognize the issue, wouldn't it? And if they address it constructively, good for them.

And it's not about CCL per se. CCL is, in many ways, the symptom. We have a ton of leagues. Are ALL of them necessary? Suppose CCL and VPL put egos aside and merged? Would that be better? Worse? Is EDP necessary as it's constructed, or should it somehow be combined with Region I leagues?

The problem is that some people -- in this thread and in real life -- are so defensive about CCL that they want to shut down all discussion about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You will never convince -- that CCL makes sense b/c he's made up his mind, written his columns and gone to some conventions and now thinks only his opinion is the right opinion of how the DC area soccer leagues should be set up. Amazing how someone who think he knows so much can know so little.

There's more than one person in this thread. And these conversations take place all over.

The fact that CCL is discussing changes to reduce travel would seem to indicate they recognize the issue, wouldn't it? And if they address it constructively, good for them.

And it's not about CCL per se. CCL is, in many ways, the symptom. We have a ton of leagues. Are ALL of them necessary? Suppose CCL and VPL put egos aside and merged? Would that be better? Worse? Is EDP necessary as it's constructed, or should it somehow be combined with Region I leagues?

The problem is that some people -- in this thread and in real life -- are so defensive about CCL that they want to shut down all discussion about it.

VPL has a larger national picture in regards to their National Championship series. Also, NPL is overseen by U.S. Club Soccer and CCL is under U.S. Soccer. Two different governing bodies.

EDP is also under the U.S. Club Soccer umbrella and was intended more for NJ-PA. EDP makes more sense for parts of MD and DE than VA.

But, without knowing the "why" of it all you can't address how any real change can be made. It isn't as simplistic as "egos" as you have stated.

[Anonymous]

Participating in NPL means you get access to Id2 and PDP, not going away anytime soon.

EDP was for NE, not sure what VA clubs are doing involved. R1 I think got better, but was a joke with fields not being prepares and a director that was stealing $ from the league.

I would put the level of competition of league's in the order below.

USDA
NPL/CCL1/NCSL(D1-D2)
CCL2/NCSL(remaining)/YDL
ODSL/Real Mundial
REC/House

I don't think it's uselful putting EDP,

[Anonymous]

What is "Real Mundial"?

[Anonymous]

Latino-run league, it's gained traction the last few years with a few travel clubs using it to play over the summer. They only have age groups up to U14, but the competition is pretty good.

[Anonymous]

just looked them up online and it's not really league, it's a club like any other with a rec league that they are calling competitive. All teams are from the same club. Yes it allows others to take their team and participate but doesn't seem that others have according to listed standings. They just call it a league just like any club can do to their age divisions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Participating in NPL means you get access to Id2 and PDP, not going away anytime soon.

EDP was for NE, not sure what VA clubs are doing involved. R1 I think got better, but was a joke with fields not being prepares and a director that was stealing $ from the league.

I would put the level of competition of league's in the order below.

USDA
NPL/CCL1/NCSL(D1-D2)
CCL2/NCSL(remaining)/YDL
ODSL/Real Mundial
REC/House

I don't think it's uselful putting EDP,

This makes sense. There's overlap, of course -- the top SFL teams would be very strong in ODSL and perhaps in some NCSL divisions, the top ODSL teams would do well in NCSL maybe up to D3, etc.

Real Mundial is interesting.

I think there's a lot of demand for a "travel lite" league among parents who know their kids aren't future superstars but would like to keep playing with others who also enjoy playing. Bigger clubs like Arlington and Montgomery SC have a "rec plus" level.

[Anonymous]

I understand the different needs for USDA/NPL/CCL but like a previous poster mentioned NCSL and ODSL are essentially the same offering with one being higher than another but since it's essentially the same a merger wouldn't be a bad idea. This way all regional teams would have the opportunity to move up or down since some ODSL teams would do very well in NCSL higher divisions. If the model is pro/rel with "local" travel, then there really should be one offering and allowing the clubs to decide how many teams they are capable to field to compete at that level.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I understand the different needs for USDA/NPL/CCL but like a previous poster mentioned NCSL and ODSL are essentially the same offering with one being higher than another but since it's essentially the same a merger wouldn't be a bad idea. This way all regional teams would have the opportunity to move up or down since some ODSL teams would do very well in NCSL higher divisions. If the model is pro/rel with "local" travel, then there really should be one offering and allowing the clubs to decide how many teams they are capable to field to compete at that level.

There are two issues at hand:

1. How can teams play competitive soccer more locally?

2. Is promotion relegation a good league model for youth soccer?

I'd think it would be easier for NCSL to simply grant exceptions to those few clubs that have demonstrated that they have a competitive, albeit to small a program, to otherwise be accepted. If through tournament play and ODSL record the club can demonstrate that a individual team or perhaps two from a club can compete then let them into NCSL. And for all we know, NCSL may already do this. However I don't think a wholesale merger is necessary.

[Anonymous]

On another note, the sarcastic post created by poster here has taken off...

[Anonymous]

I'd think it would be easier for NCSL to simply grant exceptions to those few clubs that have demonstrated that they have a competitive, albeit to small a program, to otherwise be accepted. If through tournament play and ODSL record the club can demonstrate that a individual team or perhaps two from a club can compete then let them into NCSL. And for all we know, NCSL may already do this. However I don't think a wholesale merger is necessary.

I think that this would be a good solution but that is something that they don't do. There are clubs that have gone through the application multiple times and still not in. Some get in after a couple of years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'd think it would be easier for NCSL to simply grant exceptions to those few clubs that have demonstrated that they have a competitive, albeit to small a program, to otherwise be accepted. If through tournament play and ODSL record the club can demonstrate that a individual team or perhaps two from a club can compete then let them into NCSL. And for all we know, NCSL may already do this. However I don't think a wholesale merger is necessary.

I think that this would be a good solution but that is something that they don't do. There are clubs that have gone through the application multiple times and still not in. Some get in after a couple of years.

Ok, so NCSL is a pain in regards to granting exceptions to teams yet NCSL and ODSL would somehow be agreeable to a merger?