Josh Duggar arrested and in federal custody

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Anonymous wrote:How messed up a human has to be to enjoy Child Porn. Think about it. This is not sexuality. This is something so unnatural, inhuman and disgusting.

There were researchers who wanted to study pedophiles (the article I saw came out maybe a decade ago?) because there is some suspicion that this is something that arises in humans sometimes, and they suspect that there are more pedophiles out there, ones who do not offend. I believe the GOP shouted it down; imagine if they’d been able to glean some ways to identify pedophiles and prevent them from victimizing children.

It never ceases to amaze me how posters can find things to blame the "gop" for.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t keep up with this. Is it a fact that he is being held for being a pervert child abuser? Any chance he is being held for financial crimes? If it is the former what happened to him growing up? Don’t most abusers come from a place where they were abused when little? As for religious right wingers please don’t forget you have Woody Allen who is free as a
bird and not really shunned by fellow actors.

Woody Allen is human garbage too, but he's not trying to make public policy. The GOP literally prevented the US from signing onto the UN Convention on Rights of a Child because they think child abuse is a family decision. The "church" the Duggars represent demand that women be completely subservient to men - and then men can do whatever tf they want. His politics/beliefs absolutely figure in here.

Woody Allen's politics and beliefs (cultural and politics) also show through his work. He absolutely uses his work to try to influence cultural and societal norms.

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This is why it is important for women to be educated and have options for employment. No doubt Anna feels stuck in this marriage because she has no way to support herself and 7 kids. Who knows what their marriage is like. He may be abusive towards her. Unfortunately women stay in abusive marriages all the time.

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Okay so let me get this straight- Anna KNEW about the investigation and still went on to have another baby with him! I had sympathy for her but no more

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Anonymous wrote:I'm betting Anna made an anonymous phone call to Homeland Security tip line to turn in her husband. It's a win-win. Her husband would be locked up, she will no longer be bound to him, the kids are protected, etc.

Yes. I wouldn't be surprised if she hadn't facilitated this entire discovery. At the very least, she must be so relieved to be rid of him.

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Anonymous wrote:Sweet baby jesus would some Duggar family member please write a tell-all!

Jinger and Jeremy are releasing a book soon. Not a tell all with the info we’d love to hear, but she shared in one of the chapters that her parents would welcome all kinds of families and strangers into the house and often these practically unknown people would spend the night. They were not in the business of protecting their children, that’s for sure!

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I read that JimBob told everyone his arrest was imminent and not to talk to the media. Can any lawyers here tell the not-lawyers among us how common it is for someone to be given that level of notice and be allowed to turn themselves in? Bc that seems very measured compare to stories I’ve read about door being busted down for crimes that are much more innocuous.

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Anonymous wrote:Okay so let me get this straight- Anna KNEW about the investigation and still went on to have another baby with him! I had sympathy for her but no more

Why is it so hard to believe that she herself might have been raped?

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Anonymous wrote:I read that JimBob told everyone his arrest was imminent and not to talk to the media. Can any lawyers here tell the not-lawyers among us how common it is for someone to be given that level of notice and be allowed to turn themselves in? Bc that seems very measured compare to stories I’ve read about door being busted down for crimes that are much more innocuous.

In federal cases, it is not uncommon to know indictment is imminent - it’s the when and what exactly it’ll cover that’s the secret

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Anonymous wrote:Okay so let me get this straight- Anna KNEW about the investigation and still went on to have another baby with him! I had sympathy for her but no more

Why is it so hard to believe that she herself might have been raped?

raped into having more kids?? She has an out. Her brother offered to help her back when the AM scandal came out. She should have protected her daughters but she chose to stay.

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Why would JimBob be arrested? Sorry, don't know much about this family. Never watched the show.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm betting Anna made an anonymous phone call to Homeland Security tip line to turn in her husband. It's a win-win. Her husband would be locked up, she will no longer be bound to him, the kids are protected, etc.

Yes. I wouldn't be surprised if she hadn't facilitated this entire discovery. At the very least, she must be so relieved to be rid of him.

If she wanted to get rid of him, she would have divorced him, a long time ago. This will be a long and drawn out case (if he isn't pleading guilty), and he will not be held in custody the entire time. I have no opinion of whether she is a victim or an enabler, but, given their family's history with law enforcement, the media, and political/religious beliefs, there is no way she thinks turning him into the authorities is going to be the best thing for her family.

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Anonymous wrote:I doubt Anna turned him in, but I absolutely do not think we can assume Anna knew he had CP on his hard drive.

She's too brain washed and groomed over the decades to turn in Josh (unless it was an anonymous tip as mentioned upthread) and the hard drive, presumably, was on the computer at the car dealership (which is why the dealership was raided as opposed to their residence).

On the flip side, if she did turn in Josh, she would be protected by spousal privilige, no? Or immunity of some sort?

Spousal privilege and immunity are two different things. Spousal privilege goes to whether she can be compelled to testify against him, and if she can choose to testify willingly against him him on certain subjects. Immunity goes to whether she can be prosecuted for her own crimes.

On the latter, if she turned Josh in upon finding the material and had no role in his crimes, she wouldn't face any criminal culpability. If she in any way participated in his crimes but later confessed it to law enforcement and agreed to help them, she could still be subject to prosecution but may have negotiated some kind of deal in advance, or could be given some amount of leniency by prosecutors for having turned him in.

As for spousal privilege, there are two types - spousal witness privilege, and marital communications privilege. Spousal witness privilege means that, as long as they are married, prosecutors cannot compel someone to testify against their spouse in a criminal matter. That privilege belongs to the non-defendant spouse alone, though, and if the non-defendant spouse decided they were willing to testify against the defendant, the defendant can do nothing to stop them as long as they aren't testifying about anything covered by the marital communication privilege. Many states have abolished the spousal witness privilege, though, so I don't know whether that would be available in this case at all.

The marital communications privilege basically makes any communications between spouses during a marriage confidential. The privilege belongs to both spouses, so even if a non-defendant spouse wanted to testify about those communications, the would not be permitted to do so unless the defendant spouse agreed to waive the privilege. This privilege continues after divorce. This privilege does not affect a non-defendant's spouse to testify about anything that isn't a communication between the spouses (e.g., what time your spouse came home on a particular day, events or behaviors you witnessed, etc.).

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Anonymous wrote:Okay so let me get this straight- Anna KNEW about the investigation and still went on to have another baby with him! I had sympathy for her but no more

Why is it so hard to believe that she herself might have been raped?

this cult teaches girls/women that they CANNOT say no to their husbands

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Anonymous wrote:I read that JimBob told everyone his arrest was imminent and not to talk to the media. Can any lawyers here tell the not-lawyers among us how common it is for someone to be given that level of notice and be allowed to turn themselves in? Bc that seems very measured compare to stories I’ve read about door being busted down for crimes that are much more innocuous.

It’s actually very common especially for high profile people (who can’t easily flee) and situations where they’re not worried about the person destroying evidence last minute (think the drug dealer flushing cocaine).