Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
This is pure conjecture. No direct evidence supports this. Sure, a group that makes up 15% of the county's population has occupied 70% of the seats now only has 60% because of a chance in policy. Let's keep this in perspective.

Stop distorting the numbers to try to make your point. A group that makes up 20% of the FCPS population has occupied 73% of the seats and now only has 54%. So, the overrepresentation is not as drastic as you're making it out to be, and the reduction in Asian enrollment is twice as large as you're claiming.

The overrepresentation of Asian students of course has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that Asian cultures greatly value education and hard work.

Maybe if 30 percent of one class didn't come from a $4,000 prep school that students reported having access to test questions, there wouldn't have been a need to change the process? It was a lot more than just valuing education, the admissions was skewed to kids who could afford expensive prep centers. This is a public school, not being able to afford $4,000 for prep shouldn't disadvantage you. Also, there are Asian kids in every middle school in Fairfax County. Poor Asian kids in Eastern Fairfax are definitely positively impacted by this change. This is a public school, it should serve the entire county.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
This is pure conjecture. No direct evidence supports this. Sure, a group that makes up 15% of the county's population has occupied 70% of the seats now only has 60% because of a chance in policy. Let's keep this in perspective.

Stop distorting the numbers to try to make your point. A group that makes up 20% of the FCPS population has occupied 73% of the seats and now only has 54%. So, the overrepresentation is not as drastic as you're making it out to be, and the reduction in Asian enrollment is twice as large as you're claiming.

The overrepresentation of Asian students of course has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that Asian cultures greatly value education and hard work.

Maybe if 30 percent of one class didn't come from a $4,000 prep school that students reported having access to test questions, there wouldn't have been a need to change the process? It was a lot more than just valuing education, the admissions was skewed to kids who could afford expensive prep centers. This is a public school, not being able to afford $4,000 for prep shouldn't disadvantage you. Also, there are Asian kids in every middle school in Fairfax County. Poor Asian kids in Eastern Fairfax are definitely positively impacted by this change. This is a public school, it should serve the entire county.

Stop lying, The process change had nothing to do with "a prep school". Please read the school board's debate on this issue. The old process was holistic and open to all. The old process resulted the #1 public high school in the country. The only issue you have with the old process was too many Asians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
This is pure conjecture. No direct evidence supports this. Sure, a group that makes up 15% of the county's population has occupied 70% of the seats now only has 60% because of a chance in policy. Let's keep this in perspective.

Stop distorting the numbers to try to make your point. A group that makes up 20% of the FCPS population has occupied 73% of the seats and now only has 54%. So, the overrepresentation is not as drastic as you're making it out to be, and the reduction in Asian enrollment is twice as large as you're claiming.

The overrepresentation of Asian students of course has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that Asian cultures greatly value education and hard work.

Yes, stop distorting the numbers! Fairfax county is 17% Asian according to the latest data. Asian students typically have been awarded 70% of the TJ admissions in recent years. It's gone down to 60%, but on the whole Asians are doing far better than anyone else with this metric so I think discrimination in race-blind admissions is a distraction. Seems like the real issue is purchasing admissions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Stop distorting the numbers to try to make your point. A group that makes up 20% of the FCPS population has occupied 73% of the seats and now only has 54%. So, the overrepresentation is not as drastic as you're making it out to be, and the reduction in Asian enrollment is twice as large as you're claiming.

The overrepresentation of Asian students of course has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that Asian cultures greatly value education and hard work.

Yes, stop distorting the numbers! Fairfax county is 17% Asian according to the latest data. Asian students typically have been awarded 70% of the TJ admissions in recent years. It's gone down to 60%, but on the whole Asians are doing far better than anyone else with this metric so I think discrimination in race-blind admissions is a distraction. Seems like the real issue is purchasing admissions.

You first. Why are you using Fairfax county numbers rather than FCPS numbers for Asian enrollment? FCPS specifically states that it has 19.5% Asian enrollment in their school system, so that's the most reasonable number to use. The Washington Post specifically states that Asians have 54% of the seats for the class of 2025. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/thomas-jefferson-high-diversity-admissions/2021/06/23/26bb7960-d44b-11eb-ae54-515e2f63d37d_story.html
Stop pulling numbers out of your a**.

[Anonymous]

Curie STEM classes + TJ HS great 👍

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Curie STEM classes + TJ HS great 👍

Print more money, forgive personal debts, vilify and penalize those who actually work hard and prepare for an admissions test. Use political power to punish people of another race and reward people of your race.
Very sad situation in our country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Curie STEM classes + TJ HS great 👍

Print more money, forgive personal debts, vilify and penalize those who actually work hard and prepare for an admissions test. Use political power to punish people of another race and reward people of your race.
Very sad situation in our country.

Some birds are not meant to be caged, that's all. Their feathers are too bright!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Curie STEM classes + TJ HS great 👍

Print more money, forgive personal debts, vilify and penalize those who actually work hard and prepare for an admissions test. Use political power to punish people of another race and reward people of your race.
Very sad situation in our country.

Some birds are not meant to be caged, that's all. Their feathers are too bright!

Oh yeah, I forgot. The dog whistles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Curie STEM classes + TJ HS great 👍

Print more money, forgive personal debts, vilify and penalize those who actually work hard and prepare for an admissions test. Use political power to punish people of another race and reward people of your race.
Very sad situation in our country.

Some birds are not meant to be caged, that's all. Their feathers are too bright!

Is it woke btw to say if you don't like it, go to some other country?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Stop distorting the numbers to try to make your point. A group that makes up 20% of the FCPS population has occupied 73% of the seats and now only has 54%. So, the overrepresentation is not as drastic as you're making it out to be, and the reduction in Asian enrollment is twice as large as you're claiming.

The overrepresentation of Asian students of course has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that Asian cultures greatly value education and hard work.

Yes, stop distorting the numbers! Fairfax county is 17% Asian according to the latest data. Asian students typically have been awarded 70% of the TJ admissions in recent years. It's gone down to 60%, but on the whole Asians are doing far better than anyone else with this metric so I think discrimination in race-blind admissions is a distraction. Seems like the real issue is purchasing admissions.

You first. Why are you using Fairfax county numbers rather than FCPS numbers for Asian enrollment? FCPS specifically states that it has 19.5% Asian enrollment in their school system, so that's the most reasonable number to use. The Washington Post specifically states that Asians have 54% of the seats for the class of 2025. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/thomas-jefferson-high-diversity-admissions/2021/06/23/26bb7960-d44b-11eb-ae54-515e2f63d37d_story.html
Stop pulling numbers out of your a**.

So what you're saying is Asians have more seats than any group by a huge margin and yet it's not enough? You feel the system needs to be rigged to give them more?

[Anonymous]

https://quillette.com/2021/08/19/as-us-schools-prioritize-diversity-over-merit-china-is-becoming-the-worlds-stem-leader/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

So what you're saying is Asians have more seats than any group by a huge margin and yet it's not enough? You feel the system needs to be rigged to give them more?

What exactly do you mean by "rigged to give them more?" FCPS specifically and overtly rigged the system to give them fewer seats than they had been earning on a more strict meritocracy.

I don't want the system rigged to give anyone seats. I want a system that detects the smartest, most advanced, hardest working kids, and then gives those kids the TJ seats, regardless of the kid's race, economic status, ESOL status, or special ed status.

Pretty much all of the major STEM competitions are dominated by Asians. In your view, does that mean these contests are rigged to give Asians disproportionately many awards, or is it just a sign that Asian families are much more invested in academics and Asian kids are much harder workers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So what you're saying is Asians have more seats than any group by a huge margin and yet it's not enough? You feel the system needs to be rigged to give them more?

What exactly do you mean by "rigged to give them more?" FCPS specifically and overtly rigged the system to give them fewer seats than they had been earning on a more strict meritocracy.

I don't want the system rigged to give anyone seats. I want a system that detects the smartest, most advanced, hardest working kids, and then gives those kids the TJ seats, regardless of the kid's race, economic status, ESOL status, or special ed status.

Pretty much all of the major STEM competitions are dominated by Asians. In your view, does that mean these contests are rigged to give Asians disproportionately many awards, or is it just a sign that Asian families are much more invested in academics and Asian kids are much harder workers?

The old system was rigged to favor students who invested in outside prep classes. That much is clear. The new system still favors those students but at least gives the many gifted students from less affluent schools a chance that the old system would not. It isn't ideal but will likely have no impact on the caliber of students. It does seem a lot fairer than just awarding seats to those who spend the most on prep classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://quillette.com/2021/08/19/as-us-schools-prioritize-diversity-over-merit-china-is-becoming-the-worlds-stem-leader/

This is silly. Investing heavily in prep isn't the same thing as merit, and when you stop to look a bit closer, you may discover that there's actually greater merit in diversity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://quillette.com/2021/08/19/as-us-schools-prioritize-diversity-over-merit-china-is-becoming-the-worlds-stem-leader/

This is silly. Investing heavily in prep isn't the same thing as merit, and when you stop to look a bit closer, you may discover that there's actually greater merit in diversity.

Oh lord! Where did prep even get mentioned? You just have a single talking point. It is like the anti-maskers.