Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change

[Anonymous]

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So what you're saying is Asians have more seats than any group by a huge margin and yet it's not enough? You feel the system needs to be rigged to give them more?

What exactly do you mean by "rigged to give them more?" FCPS specifically and overtly rigged the system to give them fewer seats than they had been earning on a more strict meritocracy.

I don't want the system rigged to give anyone seats. I want a system that detects the smartest, most advanced, hardest working kids, and then gives those kids the TJ seats, regardless of the kid's race, economic status, ESOL status, or special ed status.

Pretty much all of the major STEM competitions are dominated by Asians. In your view, does that mean these contests are rigged to give Asians disproportionately many awards, or is it just a sign that Asian families are much more invested in academics and Asian kids are much harder workers?

Diversity is extremely important, broadening opportunities is critical. However attacking people who do well and dragging standards down is not the solution. It is not a zero sum game. Once we get to that mindset, good solutions will emerge. There is a huge talent shortage in the US. We need to lift all boats. Not drag people, families who are working hard down.

[Anonymous]

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Stop distorting the numbers to try to make your point. A group that makes up 20% of the FCPS population has occupied 73% of the seats and now only has 54%. So, the overrepresentation is not as drastic as you're making it out to be, and the reduction in Asian enrollment is twice as large as you're claiming.

The overrepresentation of Asian students of course has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that Asian cultures greatly value education and hard work.

Yes, stop distorting the numbers! Fairfax county is 17% Asian according to the latest data. Asian students typically have been awarded 70% of the TJ admissions in recent years. It's gone down to 60%, but on the whole Asians are doing far better than anyone else with this metric so I think discrimination in race-blind admissions is a distraction. Seems like the real issue is purchasing admissions.

You first. Why are you using Fairfax county numbers rather than FCPS numbers for Asian enrollment? FCPS specifically states that it has 19.5% Asian enrollment in their school system, so that's the most reasonable number to use. The Washington Post specifically states that Asians have 54% of the seats for the class of 2025. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/thomas-jefferson-high-diversity-admissions/2021/06/23/26bb7960-d44b-11eb-ae54-515e2f63d37d_story.html
Stop pulling numbers out of your a**.

So what you're saying is Asians have more seats than any group by a huge margin and yet it's not enough? You feel the system needs to be rigged to give them more?

That’s basically what is being said and they are appalled at the fact that a percentage of the spots they have lost are going to Blacks and Latinos.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Stop distorting the numbers to try to make your point. A group that makes up 20% of the FCPS population has occupied 73% of the seats and now only has 54%. So, the overrepresentation is not as drastic as you're making it out to be, and the reduction in Asian enrollment is twice as large as you're claiming.

The overrepresentation of Asian students of course has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that Asian cultures greatly value education and hard work.

Yes, stop distorting the numbers! Fairfax county is 17% Asian according to the latest data. Asian students typically have been awarded 70% of the TJ admissions in recent years. It's gone down to 60%, but on the whole Asians are doing far better than anyone else with this metric so I think discrimination in race-blind admissions is a distraction. Seems like the real issue is purchasing admissions.

You first. Why are you using Fairfax county numbers rather than FCPS numbers for Asian enrollment? FCPS specifically states that it has 19.5% Asian enrollment in their school system, so that's the most reasonable number to use. The Washington Post specifically states that Asians have 54% of the seats for the class of 2025. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/thomas-jefferson-high-diversity-admissions/2021/06/23/26bb7960-d44b-11eb-ae54-515e2f63d37d_story.html
Stop pulling numbers out of your a**.

So what you're saying is Asians have more seats than any group by a huge margin and yet it's not enough? You feel the system needs to be rigged to give them more?

That’s basically what is being said and they are appalled at the fact that a percentage of the spots they have lost are going to Blacks and Latinos.

It is actually quite the opposite. People were appalled by large percentage of spots going to Asians and decided to rig the process and change a race blind process by removing an admissions test to penalize Asians for success. If the issues was the test itself, it could easily have been changed to make it non-standardized but then that would not have worked for equity so the test was removed and the process rigged to make it subjective so that the right social engineering mix could be created and politicians could reward their constituents with spots at TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Stop distorting the numbers to try to make your point. A group that makes up 20% of the FCPS population has occupied 73% of the seats and now only has 54%. So, the overrepresentation is not as drastic as you're making it out to be, and the reduction in Asian enrollment is twice as large as you're claiming.

The overrepresentation of Asian students of course has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that Asian cultures greatly value education and hard work.

Yes, stop distorting the numbers! Fairfax county is 17% Asian according to the latest data. Asian students typically have been awarded 70% of the TJ admissions in recent years. It's gone down to 60%, but on the whole Asians are doing far better than anyone else with this metric so I think discrimination in race-blind admissions is a distraction. Seems like the real issue is purchasing admissions.

You first. Why are you using Fairfax county numbers rather than FCPS numbers for Asian enrollment? FCPS specifically states that it has 19.5% Asian enrollment in their school system, so that's the most reasonable number to use. The Washington Post specifically states that Asians have 54% of the seats for the class of 2025. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/thomas-jefferson-high-diversity-admissions/2021/06/23/26bb7960-d44b-11eb-ae54-515e2f63d37d_story.html
Stop pulling numbers out of your a**.

So what you're saying is Asians have more seats than any group by a huge margin and yet it's not enough? You feel the system needs to be rigged to give them more?

That’s basically what is being said and they are appalled at the fact that a percentage of the spots they have lost are going to Blacks and Latinos.

It is actually quite the opposite. People were appalled by large percentage of spots going to Asians and decided to rig the process and change a race blind process by removing an admissions test to penalize Asians for success. If the issues was the test itself, it could easily have been changed to make it non-standardized but then that would not have worked for equity so the test was removed and the process rigged to make it subjective so that the right social engineering mix could be created and politicians could reward their constituents with spots at TJ.

The test was removed in part to get rid of the application fee. So, I suppose in a sense that has an impact on equity but the rest of your comment is pretty nonsensical.

[Anonymous]

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race-blind admissions is a distraction. Seems like the real issue is purchasing admissions.

And the way to stop purchasing admissions is to implement a per school quota?

[Anonymous]

One of the top students in Fairfax is a white kid who will be applying in a few years. Removing all these criteria makes it possible this kid will be passed over for admissions in a few years, as this child will likely be in a top feeder school. How is this new admissions process going to separate among the many kids with high GPA?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
race-blind admissions is a distraction. Seems like the real issue is purchasing admissions.

And the way to stop purchasing admissions is to implement a per school quota?

No, it's to remove the exam.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One of the top students in Fairfax is a white kid who will be applying in a few years. Removing all these criteria makes it possible this kid will be passed over for admissions in a few years, as this child will likely be in a top feeder school. How is this new admissions process going to separate among the many kids with high GPA?

A+ troll right here, well played. Assume all of the pro-reform people on here are white parents looking to protect their snowflake. I see what you did there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Stop distorting the numbers to try to make your point. A group that makes up 20% of the FCPS population has occupied 73% of the seats and now only has 54%. So, the overrepresentation is not as drastic as you're making it out to be, and the reduction in Asian enrollment is twice as large as you're claiming.

The overrepresentation of Asian students of course has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that Asian cultures greatly value education and hard work.

Yes, stop distorting the numbers! Fairfax county is 17% Asian according to the latest data. Asian students typically have been awarded 70% of the TJ admissions in recent years. It's gone down to 60%, but on the whole Asians are doing far better than anyone else with this metric so I think discrimination in race-blind admissions is a distraction. Seems like the real issue is purchasing admissions.

You first. Why are you using Fairfax county numbers rather than FCPS numbers for Asian enrollment? FCPS specifically states that it has 19.5% Asian enrollment in their school system, so that's the most reasonable number to use. The Washington Post specifically states that Asians have 54% of the seats for the class of 2025. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/thomas-jefferson-high-diversity-admissions/2021/06/23/26bb7960-d44b-11eb-ae54-515e2f63d37d_story.html
Stop pulling numbers out of your a**.

So what you're saying is Asians have more seats than any group by a huge margin and yet it's not enough? You feel the system needs to be rigged to give them more?

That’s basically what is being said and they are appalled at the fact that a percentage of the spots they have lost are going to Blacks and Latinos.

It is actually quite the opposite. People were appalled by large percentage of spots going to Asians and decided to rig the process and change a race blind process by removing an admissions test to penalize Asians for success. If the issues was the test itself, it could easily have been changed to make it non-standardized but then that would not have worked for equity so the test was removed and the process rigged to make it subjective so that the right social engineering mix could be created and politicians could reward their constituents with spots at TJ.

The test was removed in part to get rid of the application fee. So, I suppose in a sense that has an impact on equity but the rest of your comment is pretty nonsensical.

Application fee could have been easily removed. Rest of my comm my describes a nonsensical situation but is very much true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Stop distorting the numbers to try to make your point. A group that makes up 20% of the FCPS population has occupied 73% of the seats and now only has 54%. So, the overrepresentation is not as drastic as you're making it out to be, and the reduction in Asian enrollment is twice as large as you're claiming.

The overrepresentation of Asian students of course has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that Asian cultures greatly value education and hard work.

Yes, stop distorting the numbers! Fairfax county is 17% Asian according to the latest data. Asian students typically have been awarded 70% of the TJ admissions in recent years. It's gone down to 60%, but on the whole Asians are doing far better than anyone else with this metric so I think discrimination in race-blind admissions is a distraction. Seems like the real issue is purchasing admissions.

You first. Why are you using Fairfax county numbers rather than FCPS numbers for Asian enrollment? FCPS specifically states that it has 19.5% Asian enrollment in their school system, so that's the most reasonable number to use. The Washington Post specifically states that Asians have 54% of the seats for the class of 2025. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/thomas-jefferson-high-diversity-admissions/2021/06/23/26bb7960-d44b-11eb-ae54-515e2f63d37d_story.html
Stop pulling numbers out of your a**.

So what you're saying is Asians have more seats than any group by a huge margin and yet it's not enough? You feel the system needs to be rigged to give them more?

That’s basically what is being said and they are appalled at the fact that a percentage of the spots they have lost are going to Blacks and Latinos.

It is actually quite the opposite. People were appalled by large percentage of spots going to Asians and decided to rig the process and change a race blind process by removing an admissions test to penalize Asians for success. If the issues was the test itself, it could easily have been changed to make it non-standardized but then that would not have worked for equity so the test was removed and the process rigged to make it subjective so that the right social engineering mix could be created and politicians could reward their constituents with spots at TJ.

The test was removed in part to get rid of the application fee. So, I suppose in a sense that has an impact on equity but the rest of your comment is pretty nonsensical.

Application fee could have been easily removed. Rest of my comm my describes a nonsensical situation but is very much true.

The exam was the costly part of the application. You couldn't remove the fee without removing the exam.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
race-blind admissions is a distraction. Seems like the real issue is purchasing admissions.

And the way to stop purchasing admissions is to implement a per school quota?

No, it's to remove the exam.

This means the per-school quota which was implemented had nothing to do with the alleged cheating on an entrance exam.
They had some other goal in mind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of the top students in Fairfax is a white kid who will be applying in a few years. Removing all these criteria makes it possible this kid will be passed over for admissions in a few years, as this child will likely be in a top feeder school. How is this new admissions process going to separate among the many kids with high GPA?

A+ troll right here, well played. Assume all of the pro-reform people on here are white parents looking to protect their snowflake. I see what you did there.

No. I am talking about a specific student, but am not going to give more clues on a public forum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
race-blind admissions is a distraction. Seems like the real issue is purchasing admissions.

And the way to stop purchasing admissions is to implement a per school quota?

No, it's to remove the exam.

This means the per-school quota which was implemented had nothing to do with the alleged cheating on an entrance exam.
They had some other goal in mind.

Yes. It’s called making TJ more accessible for white families. White PTA moms that push their kids into AAP programs so they can brag, and now they want their kid attending TJ for the status symbol. The admissions changes had NOTHING to do with increase in URMs. It was only when the school was majority Asian and white kids could not compete head to head was drastic change called for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of the top students in Fairfax is a white kid who will be applying in a few years. Removing all these criteria makes it possible this kid will be passed over for admissions in a few years, as this child will likely be in a top feeder school. How is this new admissions process going to separate among the many kids with high GPA?

A+ troll right here, well played. Assume all of the pro-reform people on here are white parents looking to protect their snowflake. I see what you did there.

No. I am talking about a specific student, but am not going to give more clues on a public forum.

I'll bet he's talking about that white kid from Herndon that competes on BattleBots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One of the top students in Fairfax is a white kid who will be applying in a few years. Removing all these criteria makes it possible this kid will be passed over for admissions in a few years, as this child will likely be in a top feeder school. How is this new admissions process going to separate among the many kids with high GPA?

He might not get into TJ. And another qualified kid will instead. They’ll both thrive in their public school, and the world will keep spinning.