Yale discriminated against whites and Asians, per Justice Department

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/13/yale-illegally-discriminates-against-white-and-asian-students-justice-department-says.html

Fascinating to find an opposing ruling from the recent Harvard law suit. Are the admission preferences so drastically different, or was it simply a different evaluating body?

?? What ruling? The Harvard lawsuit was a court case that, after a trial, resulted in a ruling against the plaintiff.

This complaint you're citing is just an allegation by the Justice Department that, if it goes to trial, will also result in a loss. Yale just needs to mount the same defense Harvard did.

Promotion of underserved groups is totally justified given the educational barriers facing individuals and communities of color are tied to long-standing, systemic conditions. Racially segregated schooling, limited access to rigorous precollege curricula, poor college counseling, widening wealth gaps and other societal and historical forces all contribute to inequities in college access for too many students of color. It's time for those of us from privilege to speak aside and allow others to advance for a while.

You first, troll.

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You are sad. Take your white privileged and shame on you.

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Anonymous wrote:You are sad. Take your white privileged and shame on you.

As a black man, I cannot support racism in any form, including against asian people.

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Anonymous wrote:Who cares? Is there really any advantage to going to an ivy league school other than bragging rights? Ivy league schools are so last century.

If you don't care, then don't bother posting here. move on.

I don't really care if my kids attend ivies. Honestly, I don't expect them to. However, discrimination is wrong. Why should ivies get a pass at discriminating against people?

You are 100% right, discrimination is wrong, and if a race was statistically underrepresented in admissions that would clearly indicate racial discrimination.

Colleges ensure that doesn’t happen.

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Anonymous wrote:All the whites who are so against the "holistic approach" are going to be in for a rude awakening if colleges actually get rid of it. Asians will dominate all Ivies. In this area, TJ is a prime example of what happens when admissions in academics is based solely on merit. While whites vast outnumber Asians in FCPS, TJ is almost seventy percent Asian. Also look at California at the college level. Be careful what you wish for.

I have no issue with “holistic” admissions in theory. In practice, it is used to discriminate against whites and Asians, particularly in jurisdictions that have outlawed explicit racial discrimination in admissions. Just as it was used to discriminate against Jews many decades ago. Schools cannot be trusted on this point, so IMO all once can do is maximize the use of objective criteria. It’s a second-best solution, no doubt.

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It's amazing how some people don't get how "diversity and inclusion" and "holistic" admission is nothing more than a rebranding of quotas because quotas became unpopular. It was discrimination when they did it to the jews, and today it is still discrimination. These people are supporting a racist policy, plain and simple. If you truly want to level the playing field, quit picking favorites based on race and start providing resources for test prep for kids based on income.

It’s amazing how many people throw around words like “quotas”. Just because you say so — it’s “ rebranding”? Lol cute.

You can look at the student demographics for any of these schools over time. Racial make-up of the classes stays in a super-tight band. What do you call it when a school decides that a particular race must make up between x and y percent of the class every year? Just because they are lying about it doesn’t mean they aren’t doing it. Again, there is no reasonable factual dispute on this issue. It is obvious from the data.

And, FWIW, I think having explicit racial quotas, while bad and unfair to some, would be infinitely preferable to the lies and bs that go on now.

Yet the result is the same.

Just let the damned colleges do what they want and let courts decide if they break the law.

At least everyone agrees they have good intentions.

They do not have good intentions for Asian Americans.

Asian Americans are vastly over-represented at the Ivies, relative to the general population in this country. Considerably fewer would probably make those schools more interesting and relevant to the country's future. Shut up and stop whining. You are not that special.

Asian population - USA: 5.6%

Brown 14.1%
Columbia 28.0%
Cornell 18.1%
Dartmouth 17.0%
Harvard 22.1%
Penn 19.8%
Princeton 20.0%
Yale 19.1%

Jews make up 2% of the US population and make up more than 20% of the Ivies but don’t see anyone complaining about that. Double standard against Asian Americans?

There are Asian Jews. It is a religion not a race.

It is both religion and ethnicity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who cares? Is there really any advantage to going to an ivy league school other than bragging rights? Ivy league schools are so last century.

If you don't care, then don't bother posting here. move on.

I don't really care if my kids attend ivies. Honestly, I don't expect them to. However, discrimination is wrong. Why should ivies get a pass at discriminating against people?

You are 100% right, discrimination is wrong, and if a race was statistically underrepresented in admissions that would clearly indicate racial discrimination.

Colleges ensure that doesn’t happen.

Discrimination is wrong, so therefore it is ok for you to discriminate against others. Got it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who cares? Is there really any advantage to going to an ivy league school other than bragging rights? Ivy league schools are so last century.

If you don't care, then don't bother posting here. move on.

I don't really care if my kids attend ivies. Honestly, I don't expect them to. However, discrimination is wrong. Why should ivies get a pass at discriminating against people?

You are 100% right, discrimination is wrong, and if a race was statistically underrepresented in admissions that would clearly indicate racial discrimination.

Colleges ensure that doesn’t happen.

Discrimination is wrong, so therefore it is ok for you to discriminate against others. Got it.

No. Colleges ensures no race is excluded , as that would be discrimination by every definition of it.

Got it now?

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All liberal institutions do this. Example the New York Times and the fact that their hiring barely contains and white or asian males in them,

IF you want a meritocracy stick to conservative institutions or the California system

Personally the liberal driven pursuit of wokenss instead of competency needs to stop

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Anonymous wrote:All liberal institutions do this. Example the New York Times and the fact that their hiring barely contains and white or asian males in them,

IF you want a meritocracy stick to conservative institutions or the California system

Personally the liberal driven pursuit of wokenss instead of competency needs to stop

+1 my friend. I don’t need the team that builds the 737 airplane I fly on to be “diverse”. I need it to be the smartest and best engineers. If that means 100% Asian then please hire them because I don’t want to die. Thanks

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Asian Americans are vastly over-represented at the Ivies, relative to the general population in this country. Considerably fewer would probably make those schools more interesting and relevant to the country's future. Shut up and stop whining. You are not that special.

Asian population - USA: 5.6%

Brown 14.1%
Columbia 28.0%
Cornell 18.1%
Dartmouth 17.0%
Harvard 22.1%
Penn 19.8%
Princeton 20.0%
Yale 19.1%

The fact that you think a school should be representative of the overall % of population tells me you believe in quotas, which is illegal.

They are over represented because they are high achievers. I'm sorry that makes you feel bad. Maybe try studying more instead of playing ball?

Sorry you are incorrect. There is a difference between quotas against races and ensuring that no race is excluded, which in a zero sum game is exactly what would happen.

How come you don’t complain about the “bias” at Amherst college? They admit the same way. Why just the ivies? Just curious.

First of all, the ^^PP was stating that Asian Am. are over represented, and my point was that if you expect the admissions to reflect the population then that is implementing a quota.

Secondly, if people choose to go to elite universities, then they expect fair admissions. Why are you bringing Amherst college into this?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All liberal institutions do this. Example the New York Times and the fact that their hiring barely contains and white or asian males in them,

IF you want a meritocracy stick to conservative institutions or the California system

Personally the liberal driven pursuit of wokenss instead of competency needs to stop

+1 my friend. I don’t need the team that builds the 737 airplane I fly on to be “diverse”. I need it to be the smartest and best engineers. If that means 100% Asian then please hire them because I don’t want to die. Thanks

Hyperbolic drama much?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All liberal institutions do this. Example the New York Times and the fact that their hiring barely contains and white or asian males in them,

IF you want a meritocracy stick to conservative institutions or the California system

Personally the liberal driven pursuit of wokenss instead of competency needs to stop

+1 my friend. I don’t need the team that builds the 737 airplane I fly on to be “diverse”. I need it to be the smartest and best engineers. If that means 100% Asian then please hire them because I don’t want to die. Thanks

The best engineers are not sitting in SAT prep class to get a 1600 so they can go to Yale.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All liberal institutions do this. Example the New York Times and the fact that their hiring barely contains and white or asian males in them,

IF you want a meritocracy stick to conservative institutions or the California system

Personally the liberal driven pursuit of wokenss instead of competency needs to stop

+1 my friend. I don’t need the team that builds the 737 airplane I fly on to be “diverse”. I need it to be the smartest and best engineers. If that means 100% Asian then please hire them because I don’t want to die. Thanks

The best engineers are not sitting in SAT prep class to get a 1600 so they can go to Yale.

The best engineers didn’t go to Yale.

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so what does the post yammering on about safely designing 737s have to do with going after Yale to let in more asian and white kids?

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Anonymous wrote:so what does the post yammering on about safely designing 737s have to do with going after Yale to let in more asian and white kids?

race blind meritocracy vs affirmative action