Farrakhan Speaker Concludes Anti-Semitic Remarks with "Jews are Termites" at Trayon Support Rally

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ I think people were really good on focusing their comments on the behavior of Josh Lopez, the remarks of the Farrakhan scumball, and Trayon's response (or lack thereof) to the vile speech that took place at a rally in his name.

But as the OP of this thread, I hereby pronounce the following as the truth: Some portion of Ward 8 residents are no doubt antisemitic, and the other portion no doubt are not. End of story.

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Some white people are racist, some aren’t. End of story?

No, but I'm responding to posters above who are we shouldn't think that people in Ward 8 are antisemitic because of the actions of their leader (who has refused to condemn disgusting antisemitic remarks, along with other actions.) I take a realistic view that some people in Ward 8 do harbor antisemitic attitudes, and some do not. That's all. We just shouldn't go so overboard and say that the people in Ward 8 are all neutral to Jews. That's the "head in the sand" approach to DC antisemitism.....denying it exists, except for one or two isolated cases.

What's with the "their leader" thing? He's a friggin councilmember not a damn tribal chief. There are over 70 thousand people in Ward 8...you know how many votes Trayon got in 2016? A little over 27 thousand which is less than half. Couple that with the fact that he barely won the primary over incumbent LaRuby May (51% to 42%) and taking into account the fact that he ran unopposed in the general election thus putting people who want to exercise their vote in the prohibitive predicament of voting for him or writing in Big Bird (which I wouldn't be surprised if some did) and it doesn't exactly look to me like he fits the description of "their leader" Looks to me like he's just the guy about 1/3 of the few folks in Ward 8 who who bothered to vote in 2016 only did so because there was no alternative.

Regardless, he is their elected representative, thus, their leader.

Well by that logic since we elected the lying egotistical sexist hypocritical bigot who currently occupies 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue as our country's leader I guess that means EVERYBODY has their head in the sand - not just the folks in Ward 8.

yes, to some degree. I attended the women's march in January 2017, kicking off the "resistance". Where is the equivalent (proportionate to population) equivalent in Ward 8?

No doubt there's a Ward 8 anti-Semitism Resistance Movement in the works, but it's probably just in the early planning stages right now seeing how folks are still trying to put the finishing touches on the Ward 8 Unemployment/Underemployment Resistance Movement and the Ward 8 Troubled Schools/Poor Education Resistance Movement and the Ward 8 Crime/Violence Resistance Movement and the Ward 8 Homelessness/Lack of Affordable Housing Resistance Movement...you get the idea.
Have patience. I'm sure an equivalent (proportionate to population) "resistance" to your satisfaction will manifest itself in due time.

PP you are responding to

You do realize that this sounds very much like the excuse making done for rural whites who support Trump, eh? "they have severe social and economic problems, so its okay that they ignore the bigotry of their elected officials".

I mean I don't really expect mass rallies in Ward 8 against CM White, just as I don't expect mass rallies in coal country against Trump. But I think the other PP who said We just shouldn't go so overboard and say that the people in Ward 8 are all neutral to Jews. That's the "head in the sand" approach to DC antisemitism.....denying it exists, except for one or two isolated cases. was not wrong.

And I would add that just as the presence of white nationalism bigotry in WVa, etc, does not increase sympathy for the social and economic problems of white rural america, the presence of NOI bigotry in W8 does not increase sympathy for the social and economic problems of W8.

Hey do what you gotta do. Put the onus on the folks of Ward 8 to wipe out anti-Semitism in the whole city. Sounds like a shitty plan to me but if you think it'll work more power to ya.

No, just in Ward 8. Heck they don't have to wipe it out, but some visible pushback against CM White about it from W8 would be really great, yeah.

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Personally I thought I was more so hinting that maybe you should put some heat on Mayor Bowser about this.

If that was what you were hinting at, no, it was very unclear. I certainly am disappointed in the reactions of the Mayor (and members of the Council other than Silverman and Nadeau who have kept quiet about this) I think there has been far more criticism of the Mayor and Council than of citizen in Ward 8.

Shit even Councilmember Elissa Silverman who was the target of the "fake Jew" remarks said herself in a letter she recently wrote to Mayor Bowser and her DC Council colleagues, "I will admit even I’ve been guilty of letting anti-Jewish remarks slide, because I didn’t want to cause friction or disruption."

Yeah, so that is what we are doing here, not letting the remarks slide. It seems to be causing friction though.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ I think people were really good on focusing their comments on the behavior of Josh Lopez, the remarks of the Farrakhan scumball, and Trayon's response (or lack thereof) to the vile speech that took place at a rally in his name.

But as the OP of this thread, I hereby pronounce the following as the truth: Some portion of Ward 8 residents are no doubt antisemitic, and the other portion no doubt are not. End of story.

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Some white people are racist, some aren’t. End of story?

No, but I'm responding to posters above who are we shouldn't think that people in Ward 8 are antisemitic because of the actions of their leader (who has refused to condemn disgusting antisemitic remarks, along with other actions.) I take a realistic view that some people in Ward 8 do harbor antisemitic attitudes, and some do not. That's all. We just shouldn't go so overboard and say that the people in Ward 8 are all neutral to Jews. That's the "head in the sand" approach to DC antisemitism.....denying it exists, except for one or two isolated cases.

What's with the "their leader" thing? He's a friggin councilmember not a damn tribal chief. There are over 70 thousand people in Ward 8...you know how many votes Trayon got in 2016? A little over 27 thousand which is less than half. Couple that with the fact that he barely won the primary over incumbent LaRuby May (51% to 42%) and taking into account the fact that he ran unopposed in the general election thus putting people who want to exercise their vote in the prohibitive predicament of voting for him or writing in Big Bird (which I wouldn't be surprised if some did) and it doesn't exactly look to me like he fits the description of "their leader" Looks to me like he's just the guy about 1/3 of the few folks in Ward 8 who who bothered to vote in 2016 only did so because there was no alternative.

Regardless, he is their elected representative, thus, their leader.

Well by that logic since we elected the lying egotistical sexist hypocritical bigot who currently occupies 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue as our country's leader I guess that means EVERYBODY has their head in the sand - not just the folks in Ward 8.

yes, to some degree. I attended the women's march in January 2017, kicking off the "resistance". Where is the equivalent (proportionate to population) equivalent in Ward 8?

No doubt there's a Ward 8 anti-Semitism Resistance Movement in the works, but it's probably just in the early planning stages right now seeing how folks are still trying to put the finishing touches on the Ward 8 Unemployment/Underemployment Resistance Movement and the Ward 8 Troubled Schools/Poor Education Resistance Movement and the Ward 8 Crime/Violence Resistance Movement and the Ward 8 Homelessness/Lack of Affordable Housing Resistance Movement...you get the idea.
Have patience. I'm sure an equivalent (proportionate to population) "resistance" to your satisfaction will manifest itself in due time.

PP you are responding to

You do realize that this sounds very much like the excuse making done for rural whites who support Trump, eh? "they have severe social and economic problems, so its okay that they ignore the bigotry of their elected officials".

I mean I don't really expect mass rallies in Ward 8 against CM White, just as I don't expect mass rallies in coal country against Trump. But I think the other PP who said We just shouldn't go so overboard and say that the people in Ward 8 are all neutral to Jews. That's the "head in the sand" approach to DC antisemitism.....denying it exists, except for one or two isolated cases. was not wrong.

And I would add that just as the presence of white nationalism bigotry in WVa, etc, does not increase sympathy for the social and economic problems of white rural america, the presence of NOI bigotry in W8 does not increase sympathy for the social and economic problems of W8.

Hey do what you gotta do. Put the onus on the folks of Ward 8 to wipe out anti-Semitism in the whole city. Sounds like a shitty plan to me but if you think it'll work more power to ya.

Would you please just stop? We get it. You think concerns about anti-semitism are overblown, and people shouldn't be held accountable for making those statements because they don't really mean anything, and there are bigger things to worry about.

Yup. And you (if it was you) bring out an interesting point that poor rural whites are accused of racism (and condemned for it), and poor urban blacks are defended for welcoming NOI antisemities into their neighborhood because they have bigger troubles than people who actively promote antisemitism. If I were a cynic, I'd almost think all most of these DC liberals populating this forum think that anti-black bigotry is horrible (which it is) and anti-Jew bigotry, well....they're willing to diminish it with all sorts of excuses.

Trayon White essentially said, "no....I REFUSE to condemn the antisemite's remark that Jews are termites, even though I have been asked to" - and there isn't even a censure from the DC Council. Complete and total pass for condoning horrific bigotry, Had a white Council member been asked to condemn an equally offensive remark made at a rally in his name - say Richard Spencer grabbed the mike and said blacks were cockroaches - do you think he would have gotten away with saying "NO. I am not going to condemn those sentiments?"

Such a double standard.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ I think people were really good on focusing their comments on the behavior of Josh Lopez, the remarks of the Farrakhan scumball, and Trayon's response (or lack thereof) to the vile speech that took place at a rally in his name.

But as the OP of this thread, I hereby pronounce the following as the truth: Some portion of Ward 8 residents are no doubt antisemitic, and the other portion no doubt are not. End of story.

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Some white people are racist, some aren’t. End of story?

No, but I'm responding to posters above who are we shouldn't think that people in Ward 8 are antisemitic because of the actions of their leader (who has refused to condemn disgusting antisemitic remarks, along with other actions.) I take a realistic view that some people in Ward 8 do harbor antisemitic attitudes, and some do not. That's all. We just shouldn't go so overboard and say that the people in Ward 8 are all neutral to Jews. That's the "head in the sand" approach to DC antisemitism.....denying it exists, except for one or two isolated cases.

What's with the "their leader" thing? He's a friggin councilmember not a damn tribal chief. There are over 70 thousand people in Ward 8...you know how many votes Trayon got in 2016? A little over 27 thousand which is less than half. Couple that with the fact that he barely won the primary over incumbent LaRuby May (51% to 42%) and taking into account the fact that he ran unopposed in the general election thus putting people who want to exercise their vote in the prohibitive predicament of voting for him or writing in Big Bird (which I wouldn't be surprised if some did) and it doesn't exactly look to me like he fits the description of "their leader" Looks to me like he's just the guy about 1/3 of the few folks in Ward 8 who who bothered to vote in 2016 only did so because there was no alternative.

Regardless, he is their elected representative, thus, their leader.

Well by that logic since we elected the lying egotistical sexist hypocritical bigot who currently occupies 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue as our country's leader I guess that means EVERYBODY has their head in the sand - not just the folks in Ward 8.

yes, to some degree. I attended the women's march in January 2017, kicking off the "resistance". Where is the equivalent (proportionate to population) equivalent in Ward 8?

No doubt there's a Ward 8 anti-Semitism Resistance Movement in the works, but it's probably just in the early planning stages right now seeing how folks are still trying to put the finishing touches on the Ward 8 Unemployment/Underemployment Resistance Movement and the Ward 8 Troubled Schools/Poor Education Resistance Movement and the Ward 8 Crime/Violence Resistance Movement and the Ward 8 Homelessness/Lack of Affordable Housing Resistance Movement...you get the idea.
Have patience. I'm sure an equivalent (proportionate to population) "resistance" to your satisfaction will manifest itself in due time.

PP you are responding to

You do realize that this sounds very much like the excuse making done for rural whites who support Trump, eh? "they have severe social and economic problems, so its okay that they ignore the bigotry of their elected officials".

I mean I don't really expect mass rallies in Ward 8 against CM White, just as I don't expect mass rallies in coal country against Trump. But I think the other PP who said We just shouldn't go so overboard and say that the people in Ward 8 are all neutral to Jews. That's the "head in the sand" approach to DC antisemitism.....denying it exists, except for one or two isolated cases. was not wrong.

And I would add that just as the presence of white nationalism bigotry in WVa, etc, does not increase sympathy for the social and economic problems of white rural america, the presence of NOI bigotry in W8 does not increase sympathy for the social and economic problems of W8.

Hey do what you gotta do. Put the onus on the folks of Ward 8 to wipe out anti-Semitism in the whole city. Sounds like a shitty plan to me but if you think it'll work more power to ya.

No, just in Ward 8. Heck they don't have to wipe it out, but some visible pushback against CM White about it from W8 would be really great, yeah.

This exactly. Nobody's expecting Ward 8 residents to wipe out antisemitism. But shouldn't SOMEBODY in that Ward say it is wrong to call Jews termites? And isn't that likely person the Council member? Instead, he has done the complete opposite and demonstrated, through his silence, that either a) he doesn't give a flying F if antisemitic scumbags spew their venom, or, even worse, 2) he agrees with the sentiments and is condoning them.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ I think people were really good on focusing their comments on the behavior of Josh Lopez, the remarks of the Farrakhan scumball, and Trayon's response (or lack thereof) to the vile speech that took place at a rally in his name.

But as the OP of this thread, I hereby pronounce the following as the truth: Some portion of Ward 8 residents are no doubt antisemitic, and the other portion no doubt are not. End of story.

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Some white people are racist, some aren’t. End of story?

No, but I'm responding to posters above who are we shouldn't think that people in Ward 8 are antisemitic because of the actions of their leader (who has refused to condemn disgusting antisemitic remarks, along with other actions.) I take a realistic view that some people in Ward 8 do harbor antisemitic attitudes, and some do not. That's all. We just shouldn't go so overboard and say that the people in Ward 8 are all neutral to Jews. That's the "head in the sand" approach to DC antisemitism.....denying it exists, except for one or two isolated cases.

What's with the "their leader" thing? He's a friggin councilmember not a damn tribal chief. There are over 70 thousand people in Ward 8...you know how many votes Trayon got in 2016? A little over 27 thousand which is less than half. Couple that with the fact that he barely won the primary over incumbent LaRuby May (51% to 42%) and taking into account the fact that he ran unopposed in the general election thus putting people who want to exercise their vote in the prohibitive predicament of voting for him or writing in Big Bird (which I wouldn't be surprised if some did) and it doesn't exactly look to me like he fits the description of "their leader" Looks to me like he's just the guy about 1/3 of the few folks in Ward 8 who who bothered to vote in 2016 only did so because there was no alternative.

Regardless, he is their elected representative, thus, their leader.

Well by that logic since we elected the lying egotistical sexist hypocritical bigot who currently occupies 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue as our country's leader I guess that means EVERYBODY has their head in the sand - not just the folks in Ward 8.

yes, to some degree. I attended the women's march in January 2017, kicking off the "resistance". Where is the equivalent (proportionate to population) equivalent in Ward 8?

No doubt there's a Ward 8 anti-Semitism Resistance Movement in the works, but it's probably just in the early planning stages right now seeing how folks are still trying to put the finishing touches on the Ward 8 Unemployment/Underemployment Resistance Movement and the Ward 8 Troubled Schools/Poor Education Resistance Movement and the Ward 8 Crime/Violence Resistance Movement and the Ward 8 Homelessness/Lack of Affordable Housing Resistance Movement...you get the idea.
Have patience. I'm sure an equivalent (proportionate to population) "resistance" to your satisfaction will manifest itself in due time.

PP you are responding to

You do realize that this sounds very much like the excuse making done for rural whites who support Trump, eh? "they have severe social and economic problems, so its okay that they ignore the bigotry of their elected officials".

I mean I don't really expect mass rallies in Ward 8 against CM White, just as I don't expect mass rallies in coal country against Trump. But I think the other PP who said We just shouldn't go so overboard and say that the people in Ward 8 are all neutral to Jews. That's the "head in the sand" approach to DC antisemitism.....denying it exists, except for one or two isolated cases. was not wrong.

And I would add that just as the presence of white nationalism bigotry in WVa, etc, does not increase sympathy for the social and economic problems of white rural america, the presence of NOI bigotry in W8 does not increase sympathy for the social and economic problems of W8.

Hey do what you gotta do. Put the onus on the folks of Ward 8 to wipe out anti-Semitism in the whole city. Sounds like a shitty plan to me but if you think it'll work more power to ya.

Would you please just stop? We get it. You think concerns about anti-semitism are overblown, and people shouldn't be held accountable for making those statements because they don't really mean anything, and there are bigger things to worry about.

Yup. And you (if it was you) bring out an interesting point that poor rural whites are accused of racism (and condemned for it), and poor urban blacks are defended for welcoming NOI antisemities into their neighborhood because they have bigger troubles than people who actively promote antisemitism. If I were a cynic, I'd almost think all most of these DC liberals populating this forum think that anti-black bigotry is horrible (which it is) and anti-Jew bigotry, well....they're willing to diminish it with all sorts of excuses.

Trayon White essentially said, "no....I REFUSE to condemn the antisemite's remark that Jews are termites, even though I have been asked to" - and there isn't even a censure from the DC Council. Complete and total pass for condoning horrific bigotry, Had a white Council member been asked to condemn an equally offensive remark made at a rally in his name - say Richard Spencer grabbed the mike and said blacks were cockroaches - do you think he would have gotten away with saying "NO. I am not going to condemn those sentiments?"

Such a double standard.

We diminish just about everything that doesn’t affect us expressly that’s human nature. We see someone on Facebook agonizing about their kids peanut allergy and we roll our eyes, but when we find out our dear nephew broke out in hives from the ingredients in a classmates lunch suddenly we don’t diminish the significance anymore. And as for double standards well shit they’re everywhere throughout society and they ain’t exclusive to one political party or the other either. It’s double standards when it comes to men/women, rich/poor, able-bodied/disabled, skinny/fat, attractive/ugly, young/old...lists are endless.
Everyone is being diminished in some way or another and everybody’s getting away with shit in some form or fashion cause it’s just too many inequities in life to keep track of and no way to focus on one without taking focus off another.
Nobody said life was easy.

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Yup. And you (if it was you) bring out an interesting point that poor rural whites are accused of racism (and condemned for it), and poor urban blacks are defended for welcoming NOI antisemities into their neighborhood because they have bigger troubles than people who actively promote antisemitism. If I were a cynic, I'd almost think all most of these DC liberals populating this forum think that anti-black bigotry is horrible (which it is) and anti-Jew bigotry, well....they're willing to diminish it with all sorts of excuses.

Trayon White essentially said, "no....I REFUSE to condemn the antisemite's remark that Jews are termites, even though I have been asked to" - and there isn't even a censure from the DC Council. Complete and total pass for condoning horrific bigotry, Had a white Council member been asked to condemn an equally offensive remark made at a rally in his name - say Richard Spencer grabbed the mike and said blacks were cockroaches - do you think he would have gotten away with saying "NO. I am not going to condemn those sentiments?"

Such a double standard.

er I am the PP who mentioned the rural whites, but not the immediate PP. I AM a liberal, and not only liberal Jews, but quite a few other liberals are concerned about antisemitism. I am concerned about political cowardice by Mayor Bowser, but please do not try to turn this into a liberal vs conservative thing.

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Yup. And you (if it was you) bring out an interesting point that poor rural whites are accused of racism (and condemned for it), and poor urban blacks are defended for welcoming NOI antisemities into their neighborhood because they have bigger troubles than people who actively promote antisemitism. If I were a cynic, I'd almost think all most of these DC liberals populating this forum think that anti-black bigotry is horrible (which it is) and anti-Jew bigotry, well....they're willing to diminish it with all sorts of excuses.

Trayon White essentially said, "no....I REFUSE to condemn the antisemite's remark that Jews are termites, even though I have been asked to" - and there isn't even a censure from the DC Council. Complete and total pass for condoning horrific bigotry, Had a white Council member been asked to condemn an equally offensive remark made at a rally in his name - say Richard Spencer grabbed the mike and said blacks were cockroaches - do you think he would have gotten away with saying "NO. I am not going to condemn those sentiments?"

Such a double standard.

er I am the PP who mentioned the rural whites, but not the immediate PP. I AM a liberal, and not only liberal Jews, but quite a few other liberals are concerned about antisemitism. I am concerned about political cowardice by Mayor Bowser, but please do not try to turn this into a liberal vs conservative thing.

I say liberals because DC is populated overwhelmingly by liberals, and I see their elected leaders - like Bowser and the council members - alarmingly soft on antisemitism in the District, and the constituents giving them a pass. I am glad you are not among them. We need more like you.

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Yup. And you (if it was you) bring out an interesting point that poor rural whites are accused of racism (and condemned for it), and poor urban blacks are defended for welcoming NOI antisemities into their neighborhood because they have bigger troubles than people who actively promote antisemitism. If I were a cynic, I'd almost think all most of these DC liberals populating this forum think that anti-black bigotry is horrible (which it is) and anti-Jew bigotry, well....they're willing to diminish it with all sorts of excuses.

Trayon White essentially said, "no....I REFUSE to condemn the antisemite's remark that Jews are termites, even though I have been asked to" - and there isn't even a censure from the DC Council. Complete and total pass for condoning horrific bigotry, Had a white Council member been asked to condemn an equally offensive remark made at a rally in his name - say Richard Spencer grabbed the mike and said blacks were cockroaches - do you think he would have gotten away with saying "NO. I am not going to condemn those sentiments?"

Such a double standard.

er I am the PP who mentioned the rural whites, but not the immediate PP. I AM a liberal, and not only liberal Jews, but quite a few other liberals are concerned about antisemitism. I am concerned about political cowardice by Mayor Bowser, but please do not try to turn this into a liberal vs conservative thing.

I say liberals because DC is populated overwhelmingly by liberals, and I see their elected leaders - like Bowser and the council members - alarmingly soft on antisemitism in the District, and the constituents giving them a pass. I am glad you are not among them. We need more like you.

DC is populated largely by A. African Americans who vote for Dems, but aren't really part of the general liberal discussion as one should gather here on DCUM (and those who support NOI are frighteningly ILLIBERAL) B. Transplants who don't follow local politics closely C. Ward3 homeowners who are mainly worried about development and parking.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ I think people were really good on focusing their comments on the behavior of Josh Lopez, the remarks of the Farrakhan scumball, and Trayon's response (or lack thereof) to the vile speech that took place at a rally in his name.

But as the OP of this thread, I hereby pronounce the following as the truth: Some portion of Ward 8 residents are no doubt antisemitic, and the other portion no doubt are not. End of story.

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Some white people are racist, some aren’t. End of story?

No, but I'm responding to posters above who are we shouldn't think that people in Ward 8 are antisemitic because of the actions of their leader (who has refused to condemn disgusting antisemitic remarks, along with other actions.) I take a realistic view that some people in Ward 8 do harbor antisemitic attitudes, and some do not. That's all. We just shouldn't go so overboard and say that the people in Ward 8 are all neutral to Jews. That's the "head in the sand" approach to DC antisemitism.....denying it exists, except for one or two isolated cases.

What's with the "their leader" thing? He's a friggin councilmember not a damn tribal chief. There are over 70 thousand people in Ward 8...you know how many votes Trayon got in 2016? A little over 27 thousand which is less than half. Couple that with the fact that he barely won the primary over incumbent LaRuby May (51% to 42%) and taking into account the fact that he ran unopposed in the general election thus putting people who want to exercise their vote in the prohibitive predicament of voting for him or writing in Big Bird (which I wouldn't be surprised if some did) and it doesn't exactly look to me like he fits the description of "their leader" Looks to me like he's just the guy about 1/3 of the few folks in Ward 8 who who bothered to vote in 2016 only did so because there was no alternative.

Regardless, he is their elected representative, thus, their leader.

Well by that logic since we elected the lying egotistical sexist hypocritical bigot who currently occupies 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue as our country's leader I guess that means EVERYBODY has their head in the sand - not just the folks in Ward 8.

yes, to some degree. I attended the women's march in January 2017, kicking off the "resistance". Where is the equivalent (proportionate to population) equivalent in Ward 8?

No doubt there's a Ward 8 anti-Semitism Resistance Movement in the works, but it's probably just in the early planning stages right now seeing how folks are still trying to put the finishing touches on the Ward 8 Unemployment/Underemployment Resistance Movement and the Ward 8 Troubled Schools/Poor Education Resistance Movement and the Ward 8 Crime/Violence Resistance Movement and the Ward 8 Homelessness/Lack of Affordable Housing Resistance Movement...you get the idea.
Have patience. I'm sure an equivalent (proportionate to population) "resistance" to your satisfaction will manifest itself in due time.

PP you are responding to

You do realize that this sounds very much like the excuse making done for rural whites who support Trump, eh? "they have severe social and economic problems, so its okay that they ignore the bigotry of their elected officials".

I mean I don't really expect mass rallies in Ward 8 against CM White, just as I don't expect mass rallies in coal country against Trump. But I think the other PP who said We just shouldn't go so overboard and say that the people in Ward 8 are all neutral to Jews. That's the "head in the sand" approach to DC antisemitism.....denying it exists, except for one or two isolated cases. was not wrong.

And I would add that just as the presence of white nationalism bigotry in WVa, etc, does not increase sympathy for the social and economic problems of white rural america, the presence of NOI bigotry in W8 does not increase sympathy for the social and economic problems of W8.

Hey do what you gotta do. Put the onus on the folks of Ward 8 to wipe out anti-Semitism in the whole city. Sounds like a shitty plan to me but if you think it'll work more power to ya.

Would you please just stop? We get it. You think concerns about anti-semitism are overblown, and people shouldn't be held accountable for making those statements because they don't really mean anything, and there are bigger things to worry about.

If you say that’s what I think...okay...you the mack, I can’t argue with your interpretations.
Personally I thought I was more so hinting that maybe you should put some heat on Mayor Bowser about this.
I mean shit she's been rather quiet on all this and what little responses she's given have been mild at best.
Plus it was her appointee (Joshua Lopez) that allowed that fool to get a hold of the megaphone to say that hateful crap to begin with and she resisted calls for his removal - he left on his own accord - what's up with her passivity?

Personally I thought I was more so querying why the emphasis on put all the responsibility for denouncing anti-Semitism in the city on the folks of Ward 8 shoulders and wondering why not place the burden where it belongs, on the elected officials who are evidently complicit in ignoring bigotry.
Shit even Councilmember Elissa Silverman who was the target of the "fake Jew" remarks said herself in a letter she recently wrote to Mayor Bowser and her DC Council colleagues, "I will admit even I’ve been guilty of letting anti-Jewish remarks slide, because I didn’t want to cause friction or disruption."

City leaders got power and influence too, why not push them to better address these issues? But it’s all good...we get it...it’s only black folks in Ward 8 who are espousing anti-Semitic attitudes so in addition to struggling to make ends meet and get home in one piece it’s their job to address this too.
I’m just saying if you expect the folks in Ward 8 to rid the whole city of anti-Semitism it's gonna be a while...you know how colored folks are lol. I figured if you want faster results as far as changing the culture and climate of the city then maybe it’d be best to put the onus where it belongs, on elected officials.
You the mack though so I won’t argue about your game plan.

Nice day out - enjoy.

Uh huh. I didn't see anyone put the entire burden on Ward 8. It's just that Ward 8 ELECTED the person complicit in anti-semitism. It needs to be addressed there (among other appropriate places) but you are acting like Ward 8 should be immune from criticism.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ I think people were really good on focusing their comments on the behavior of Josh Lopez, the remarks of the Farrakhan scumball, and Trayon's response (or lack thereof) to the vile speech that took place at a rally in his name.

But as the OP of this thread, I hereby pronounce the following as the truth: Some portion of Ward 8 residents are no doubt antisemitic, and the other portion no doubt are not. End of story.

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Some white people are racist, some aren’t. End of story?

No, but I'm responding to posters above who are we shouldn't think that people in Ward 8 are antisemitic because of the actions of their leader (who has refused to condemn disgusting antisemitic remarks, along with other actions.) I take a realistic view that some people in Ward 8 do harbor antisemitic attitudes, and some do not. That's all. We just shouldn't go so overboard and say that the people in Ward 8 are all neutral to Jews. That's the "head in the sand" approach to DC antisemitism.....denying it exists, except for one or two isolated cases.

What's with the "their leader" thing? He's a friggin councilmember not a damn tribal chief. There are over 70 thousand people in Ward 8...you know how many votes Trayon got in 2016? A little over 27 thousand which is less than half. Couple that with the fact that he barely won the primary over incumbent LaRuby May (51% to 42%) and taking into account the fact that he ran unopposed in the general election thus putting people who want to exercise their vote in the prohibitive predicament of voting for him or writing in Big Bird (which I wouldn't be surprised if some did) and it doesn't exactly look to me like he fits the description of "their leader" Looks to me like he's just the guy about 1/3 of the few folks in Ward 8 who who bothered to vote in 2016 only did so because there was no alternative.

Regardless, he is their elected representative, thus, their leader.

Well by that logic since we elected the lying egotistical sexist hypocritical bigot who currently occupies 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue as our country's leader I guess that means EVERYBODY has their head in the sand - not just the folks in Ward 8.

yes, to some degree. I attended the women's march in January 2017, kicking off the "resistance". Where is the equivalent (proportionate to population) equivalent in Ward 8?

No doubt there's a Ward 8 anti-Semitism Resistance Movement in the works, but it's probably just in the early planning stages right now seeing how folks are still trying to put the finishing touches on the Ward 8 Unemployment/Underemployment Resistance Movement and the Ward 8 Troubled Schools/Poor Education Resistance Movement and the Ward 8 Crime/Violence Resistance Movement and the Ward 8 Homelessness/Lack of Affordable Housing Resistance Movement...you get the idea.
Have patience. I'm sure an equivalent (proportionate to population) "resistance" to your satisfaction will manifest itself in due time.

PP you are responding to

You do realize that this sounds very much like the excuse making done for rural whites who support Trump, eh? "they have severe social and economic problems, so its okay that they ignore the bigotry of their elected officials".

I mean I don't really expect mass rallies in Ward 8 against CM White, just as I don't expect mass rallies in coal country against Trump. But I think the other PP who said We just shouldn't go so overboard and say that the people in Ward 8 are all neutral to Jews. That's the "head in the sand" approach to DC antisemitism.....denying it exists, except for one or two isolated cases. was not wrong.

And I would add that just as the presence of white nationalism bigotry in WVa, etc, does not increase sympathy for the social and economic problems of white rural america, the presence of NOI bigotry in W8 does not increase sympathy for the social and economic problems of W8.

Hey do what you gotta do. Put the onus on the folks of Ward 8 to wipe out anti-Semitism in the whole city. Sounds like a shitty plan to me but if you think it'll work more power to ya.

Would you please just stop? We get it. You think concerns about anti-semitism are overblown, and people shouldn't be held accountable for making those statements because they don't really mean anything, and there are bigger things to worry about.

If you say that’s what I think...okay...you the mack, I can’t argue with your interpretations.
Personally I thought I was more so hinting that maybe you should put some heat on Mayor Bowser about this.
I mean shit she's been rather quiet on all this and what little responses she's given have been mild at best.
Plus it was her appointee (Joshua Lopez) that allowed that fool to get a hold of the megaphone to say that hateful crap to begin with and she resisted calls for his removal - he left on his own accord - what's up with her passivity?

Personally I thought I was more so querying why the emphasis on put all the responsibility for denouncing anti-Semitism in the city on the folks of Ward 8 shoulders and wondering why not place the burden where it belongs, on the elected officials who are evidently complicit in ignoring bigotry.
Shit even Councilmember Elissa Silverman who was the target of the "fake Jew" remarks said herself in a letter she recently wrote to Mayor Bowser and her DC Council colleagues, "I will admit even I’ve been guilty of letting anti-Jewish remarks slide, because I didn’t want to cause friction or disruption."

City leaders got power and influence too, why not push them to better address these issues? But it’s all good...we get it...it’s only black folks in Ward 8 who are espousing anti-Semitic attitudes so in addition to struggling to make ends meet and get home in one piece it’s their job to address this too.
I’m just saying if you expect the folks in Ward 8 to rid the whole city of anti-Semitism it's gonna be a while...you know how colored folks are lol. I figured if you want faster results as far as changing the culture and climate of the city then maybe it’d be best to put the onus where it belongs, on elected officials.
You the mack though so I won’t argue about your game plan.

Nice day out - enjoy.

Uh huh. I didn't see anyone put the entire burden on Ward 8. It's just that Ward 8 ELECTED the person complicit in anti-semitism. It needs to be addressed there (among other appropriate places) but you are acting like Ward 8 should be immune from criticism.

Yes. I'm the PP quoted upthread, warning that we shouldn't go overboard in pretending that there is no antisemitism among Ward 8 residents - and that every last one of them is completely innocent in all of this - in an effort not to castigate them all. All the explanations and justifications aside, it is a fact that they did elect an antisemtitc councilman, and that not a single person in that ward has spoken up against him.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ I think people were really good on focusing their comments on the behavior of Josh Lopez, the remarks of the Farrakhan scumball, and Trayon's response (or lack thereof) to the vile speech that took place at a rally in his name.

But as the OP of this thread, I hereby pronounce the following as the truth: Some portion of Ward 8 residents are no doubt antisemitic, and the other portion no doubt are not. End of story.

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Some white people are racist, some aren’t. End of story?

No, but I'm responding to posters above who are we shouldn't think that people in Ward 8 are antisemitic because of the actions of their leader (who has refused to condemn disgusting antisemitic remarks, along with other actions.) I take a realistic view that some people in Ward 8 do harbor antisemitic attitudes, and some do not. That's all. We just shouldn't go so overboard and say that the people in Ward 8 are all neutral to Jews. That's the "head in the sand" approach to DC antisemitism.....denying it exists, except for one or two isolated cases.

What's with the "their leader" thing? He's a friggin councilmember not a damn tribal chief. There are over 70 thousand people in Ward 8...you know how many votes Trayon got in 2016? A little over 27 thousand which is less than half. Couple that with the fact that he barely won the primary over incumbent LaRuby May (51% to 42%) and taking into account the fact that he ran unopposed in the general election thus putting people who want to exercise their vote in the prohibitive predicament of voting for him or writing in Big Bird (which I wouldn't be surprised if some did) and it doesn't exactly look to me like he fits the description of "their leader" Looks to me like he's just the guy about 1/3 of the few folks in Ward 8 who who bothered to vote in 2016 only did so because there was no alternative.

Regardless, he is their elected representative, thus, their leader.

Well by that logic since we elected the lying egotistical sexist hypocritical bigot who currently occupies 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue as our country's leader I guess that means EVERYBODY has their head in the sand - not just the folks in Ward 8.

yes, to some degree. I attended the women's march in January 2017, kicking off the "resistance". Where is the equivalent (proportionate to population) equivalent in Ward 8?

No doubt there's a Ward 8 anti-Semitism Resistance Movement in the works, but it's probably just in the early planning stages right now seeing how folks are still trying to put the finishing touches on the Ward 8 Unemployment/Underemployment Resistance Movement and the Ward 8 Troubled Schools/Poor Education Resistance Movement and the Ward 8 Crime/Violence Resistance Movement and the Ward 8 Homelessness/Lack of Affordable Housing Resistance Movement...you get the idea.
Have patience. I'm sure an equivalent (proportionate to population) "resistance" to your satisfaction will manifest itself in due time.

PP you are responding to

You do realize that this sounds very much like the excuse making done for rural whites who support Trump, eh? "they have severe social and economic problems, so its okay that they ignore the bigotry of their elected officials".

I mean I don't really expect mass rallies in Ward 8 against CM White, just as I don't expect mass rallies in coal country against Trump. But I think the other PP who said We just shouldn't go so overboard and say that the people in Ward 8 are all neutral to Jews. That's the "head in the sand" approach to DC antisemitism.....denying it exists, except for one or two isolated cases. was not wrong.

And I would add that just as the presence of white nationalism bigotry in WVa, etc, does not increase sympathy for the social and economic problems of white rural america, the presence of NOI bigotry in W8 does not increase sympathy for the social and economic problems of W8.

Hey do what you gotta do. Put the onus on the folks of Ward 8 to wipe out anti-Semitism in the whole city. Sounds like a shitty plan to me but if you think it'll work more power to ya.

Would you please just stop? We get it. You think concerns about anti-semitism are overblown, and people shouldn't be held accountable for making those statements because they don't really mean anything, and there are bigger things to worry about.

If you say that’s what I think...okay...you the mack, I can’t argue with your interpretations.
Personally I thought I was more so hinting that maybe you should put some heat on Mayor Bowser about this.
I mean shit she's been rather quiet on all this and what little responses she's given have been mild at best.
Plus it was her appointee (Joshua Lopez) that allowed that fool to get a hold of the megaphone to say that hateful crap to begin with and she resisted calls for his removal - he left on his own accord - what's up with her passivity?

Personally I thought I was more so querying why the emphasis on put all the responsibility for denouncing anti-Semitism in the city on the folks of Ward 8 shoulders and wondering why not place the burden where it belongs, on the elected officials who are evidently complicit in ignoring bigotry.
Shit even Councilmember Elissa Silverman who was the target of the "fake Jew" remarks said herself in a letter she recently wrote to Mayor Bowser and her DC Council colleagues, "I will admit even I’ve been guilty of letting anti-Jewish remarks slide, because I didn’t want to cause friction or disruption."

City leaders got power and influence too, why not push them to better address these issues? But it’s all good...we get it...it’s only black folks in Ward 8 who are espousing anti-Semitic attitudes so in addition to struggling to make ends meet and get home in one piece it’s their job to address this too.
I’m just saying if you expect the folks in Ward 8 to rid the whole city of anti-Semitism it's gonna be a while...you know how colored folks are lol. I figured if you want faster results as far as changing the culture and climate of the city then maybe it’d be best to put the onus where it belongs, on elected officials.
You the mack though so I won’t argue about your game plan.

Nice day out - enjoy.

Uh huh. I didn't see anyone put the entire burden on Ward 8. It's just that Ward 8 ELECTED the person complicit in anti-semitism. It needs to be addressed there (among other appropriate places) but you are acting like Ward 8 should be immune from criticism.

Nah it's all good like I said, do what you gotta do to wipe this anti-Semitism shit out cause it's not cool at all and I personally don't care who gets the blame or who cleans it up just so long as it gets done. My personal opinions of how convoluted the strategy seems of getting the folks in Ward 8 to get it done via protest or march or...I don't know what you expect, as opposed to a more plausible and effective plan of Mayor Bowser and the Council coming out and straight up censuring Trayon White or maybe even ousting him for donating that $500 from his constituent services fund to the Nation of Islam’s Saviours’ Day gathering in Chicago simply because two members asked him to...well my thoughts on what tactics will work best are irrelevant. You're the mack and you got the game plan so go for it.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ I think people were really good on focusing their comments on the behavior of Josh Lopez, the remarks of the Farrakhan scumball, and Trayon's response (or lack thereof) to the vile speech that took place at a rally in his name.

But as the OP of this thread, I hereby pronounce the following as the truth: Some portion of Ward 8 residents are no doubt antisemitic, and the other portion no doubt are not. End of story.

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Some white people are racist, some aren’t. End of story?

No, but I'm responding to posters above who are we shouldn't think that people in Ward 8 are antisemitic because of the actions of their leader (who has refused to condemn disgusting antisemitic remarks, along with other actions.) I take a realistic view that some people in Ward 8 do harbor antisemitic attitudes, and some do not. That's all. We just shouldn't go so overboard and say that the people in Ward 8 are all neutral to Jews. That's the "head in the sand" approach to DC antisemitism.....denying it exists, except for one or two isolated cases.

What's with the "their leader" thing? He's a friggin councilmember not a damn tribal chief. There are over 70 thousand people in Ward 8...you know how many votes Trayon got in 2016? A little over 27 thousand which is less than half. Couple that with the fact that he barely won the primary over incumbent LaRuby May (51% to 42%) and taking into account the fact that he ran unopposed in the general election thus putting people who want to exercise their vote in the prohibitive predicament of voting for him or writing in Big Bird (which I wouldn't be surprised if some did) and it doesn't exactly look to me like he fits the description of "their leader" Looks to me like he's just the guy about 1/3 of the few folks in Ward 8 who who bothered to vote in 2016 only did so because there was no alternative.

Regardless, he is their elected representative, thus, their leader.

Well by that logic since we elected the lying egotistical sexist hypocritical bigot who currently occupies 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue as our country's leader I guess that means EVERYBODY has their head in the sand - not just the folks in Ward 8.

yes, to some degree. I attended the women's march in January 2017, kicking off the "resistance". Where is the equivalent (proportionate to population) equivalent in Ward 8?

No doubt there's a Ward 8 anti-Semitism Resistance Movement in the works, but it's probably just in the early planning stages right now seeing how folks are still trying to put the finishing touches on the Ward 8 Unemployment/Underemployment Resistance Movement and the Ward 8 Troubled Schools/Poor Education Resistance Movement and the Ward 8 Crime/Violence Resistance Movement and the Ward 8 Homelessness/Lack of Affordable Housing Resistance Movement...you get the idea.
Have patience. I'm sure an equivalent (proportionate to population) "resistance" to your satisfaction will manifest itself in due time.

PP you are responding to

You do realize that this sounds very much like the excuse making done for rural whites who support Trump, eh? "they have severe social and economic problems, so its okay that they ignore the bigotry of their elected officials".

I mean I don't really expect mass rallies in Ward 8 against CM White, just as I don't expect mass rallies in coal country against Trump. But I think the other PP who said We just shouldn't go so overboard and say that the people in Ward 8 are all neutral to Jews. That's the "head in the sand" approach to DC antisemitism.....denying it exists, except for one or two isolated cases. was not wrong.

And I would add that just as the presence of white nationalism bigotry in WVa, etc, does not increase sympathy for the social and economic problems of white rural america, the presence of NOI bigotry in W8 does not increase sympathy for the social and economic problems of W8.

Hey do what you gotta do. Put the onus on the folks of Ward 8 to wipe out anti-Semitism in the whole city. Sounds like a shitty plan to me but if you think it'll work more power to ya.

Would you please just stop? We get it. You think concerns about anti-semitism are overblown, and people shouldn't be held accountable for making those statements because they don't really mean anything, and there are bigger things to worry about.

If you say that’s what I think...okay...you the mack, I can’t argue with your interpretations.
Personally I thought I was more so hinting that maybe you should put some heat on Mayor Bowser about this.
I mean shit she's been rather quiet on all this and what little responses she's given have been mild at best.
Plus it was her appointee (Joshua Lopez) that allowed that fool to get a hold of the megaphone to say that hateful crap to begin with and she resisted calls for his removal - he left on his own accord - what's up with her passivity?

Personally I thought I was more so querying why the emphasis on put all the responsibility for denouncing anti-Semitism in the city on the folks of Ward 8 shoulders and wondering why not place the burden where it belongs, on the elected officials who are evidently complicit in ignoring bigotry.
Shit even Councilmember Elissa Silverman who was the target of the "fake Jew" remarks said herself in a letter she recently wrote to Mayor Bowser and her DC Council colleagues, "I will admit even I’ve been guilty of letting anti-Jewish remarks slide, because I didn’t want to cause friction or disruption."

City leaders got power and influence too, why not push them to better address these issues? But it’s all good...we get it...it’s only black folks in Ward 8 who are espousing anti-Semitic attitudes so in addition to struggling to make ends meet and get home in one piece it’s their job to address this too.
I’m just saying if you expect the folks in Ward 8 to rid the whole city of anti-Semitism it's gonna be a while...you know how colored folks are lol. I figured if you want faster results as far as changing the culture and climate of the city then maybe it’d be best to put the onus where it belongs, on elected officials.
You the mack though so I won’t argue about your game plan.

Nice day out - enjoy.

Uh huh. I didn't see anyone put the entire burden on Ward 8. It's just that Ward 8 ELECTED the person complicit in anti-semitism. It needs to be addressed there (among other appropriate places) but you are acting like Ward 8 should be immune from criticism.

Nah it's all good like I said, do what you gotta do to wipe this anti-Semitism shit out cause it's not cool at all and I personally don't care who gets the blame or who cleans it up just so long as it gets done. My personal opinions of how convoluted the strategy seems of getting the folks in Ward 8 to get it done via protest or march or...I don't know what you expect, as opposed to a more plausible and effective plan of Mayor Bowser and the Council coming out and straight up censuring Trayon White or maybe even ousting him for donating that $500 from his constituent services fund to the Nation of Islam’s Saviours’ Day gathering in Chicago simply because two members asked him to...well my thoughts on what tactics will work best are irrelevant. You're the mack and you got the game plan so go for it.

I am the PP who first mentioned a march. Seriously, I only did that in response to the apparent claim that if White being a CM from W8 says something about Ward 8, then Trump being elected says something about America. Well Trump being elected DOES say something about America , something not good, and that is ONE reason so many of us were intent on marching, to show that is NOT who we are. Now IF W8 people would march they could show what White et al is are NOT who they are. Maybe that's not important to them, or maybe they are all too busy or too poor or too oppressed for it to be worthwhile doing - but the consequence is that a chance to show its NOT who they are, is lost.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ I think people were really good on focusing their comments on the behavior of Josh Lopez, the remarks of the Farrakhan scumball, and Trayon's response (or lack thereof) to the vile speech that took place at a rally in his name.

But as the OP of this thread, I hereby pronounce the following as the truth: Some portion of Ward 8 residents are no doubt antisemitic, and the other portion no doubt are not. End of story.

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Some white people are racist, some aren’t. End of story?

No, but I'm responding to posters above who are we shouldn't think that people in Ward 8 are antisemitic because of the actions of their leader (who has refused to condemn disgusting antisemitic remarks, along with other actions.) I take a realistic view that some people in Ward 8 do harbor antisemitic attitudes, and some do not. That's all. We just shouldn't go so overboard and say that the people in Ward 8 are all neutral to Jews. That's the "head in the sand" approach to DC antisemitism.....denying it exists, except for one or two isolated cases.

What's with the "their leader" thing? He's a friggin councilmember not a damn tribal chief. There are over 70 thousand people in Ward 8...you know how many votes Trayon got in 2016? A little over 27 thousand which is less than half. Couple that with the fact that he barely won the primary over incumbent LaRuby May (51% to 42%) and taking into account the fact that he ran unopposed in the general election thus putting people who want to exercise their vote in the prohibitive predicament of voting for him or writing in Big Bird (which I wouldn't be surprised if some did) and it doesn't exactly look to me like he fits the description of "their leader" Looks to me like he's just the guy about 1/3 of the few folks in Ward 8 who who bothered to vote in 2016 only did so because there was no alternative.

Regardless, he is their elected representative, thus, their leader.

Well by that logic since we elected the lying egotistical sexist hypocritical bigot who currently occupies 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue as our country's leader I guess that means EVERYBODY has their head in the sand - not just the folks in Ward 8.

yes, to some degree. I attended the women's march in January 2017, kicking off the "resistance". Where is the equivalent (proportionate to population) equivalent in Ward 8?

No doubt there's a Ward 8 anti-Semitism Resistance Movement in the works, but it's probably just in the early planning stages right now seeing how folks are still trying to put the finishing touches on the Ward 8 Unemployment/Underemployment Resistance Movement and the Ward 8 Troubled Schools/Poor Education Resistance Movement and the Ward 8 Crime/Violence Resistance Movement and the Ward 8 Homelessness/Lack of Affordable Housing Resistance Movement...you get the idea.
Have patience. I'm sure an equivalent (proportionate to population) "resistance" to your satisfaction will manifest itself in due time.

PP you are responding to

You do realize that this sounds very much like the excuse making done for rural whites who support Trump, eh? "they have severe social and economic problems, so its okay that they ignore the bigotry of their elected officials".

I mean I don't really expect mass rallies in Ward 8 against CM White, just as I don't expect mass rallies in coal country against Trump. But I think the other PP who said We just shouldn't go so overboard and say that the people in Ward 8 are all neutral to Jews. That's the "head in the sand" approach to DC antisemitism.....denying it exists, except for one or two isolated cases. was not wrong.

And I would add that just as the presence of white nationalism bigotry in WVa, etc, does not increase sympathy for the social and economic problems of white rural america, the presence of NOI bigotry in W8 does not increase sympathy for the social and economic problems of W8.

Hey do what you gotta do. Put the onus on the folks of Ward 8 to wipe out anti-Semitism in the whole city. Sounds like a shitty plan to me but if you think it'll work more power to ya.

Would you please just stop? We get it. You think concerns about anti-semitism are overblown, and people shouldn't be held accountable for making those statements because they don't really mean anything, and there are bigger things to worry about.

If you say that’s what I think...okay...you the mack, I can’t argue with your interpretations.
Personally I thought I was more so hinting that maybe you should put some heat on Mayor Bowser about this.
I mean shit she's been rather quiet on all this and what little responses she's given have been mild at best.
Plus it was her appointee (Joshua Lopez) that allowed that fool to get a hold of the megaphone to say that hateful crap to begin with and she resisted calls for his removal - he left on his own accord - what's up with her passivity?

Personally I thought I was more so querying why the emphasis on put all the responsibility for denouncing anti-Semitism in the city on the folks of Ward 8 shoulders and wondering why not place the burden where it belongs, on the elected officials who are evidently complicit in ignoring bigotry.
Shit even Councilmember Elissa Silverman who was the target of the "fake Jew" remarks said herself in a letter she recently wrote to Mayor Bowser and her DC Council colleagues, "I will admit even I’ve been guilty of letting anti-Jewish remarks slide, because I didn’t want to cause friction or disruption."

City leaders got power and influence too, why not push them to better address these issues? But it’s all good...we get it...it’s only black folks in Ward 8 who are espousing anti-Semitic attitudes so in addition to struggling to make ends meet and get home in one piece it’s their job to address this too.
I’m just saying if you expect the folks in Ward 8 to rid the whole city of anti-Semitism it's gonna be a while...you know how colored folks are lol. I figured if you want faster results as far as changing the culture and climate of the city then maybe it’d be best to put the onus where it belongs, on elected officials.
You the mack though so I won’t argue about your game plan.

Nice day out - enjoy.

Uh huh. I didn't see anyone put the entire burden on Ward 8. It's just that Ward 8 ELECTED the person complicit in anti-semitism. It needs to be addressed there (among other appropriate places) but you are acting like Ward 8 should be immune from criticism.

Nah it's all good like I said, do what you gotta do to wipe this anti-Semitism shit out cause it's not cool at all and I personally don't care who gets the blame or who cleans it up just so long as it gets done. My personal opinions of how convoluted the strategy seems of getting the folks in Ward 8 to get it done via protest or march or...I don't know what you expect, as opposed to a more plausible and effective plan of Mayor Bowser and the Council coming out and straight up censuring Trayon White or maybe even ousting him for donating that $500 from his constituent services fund to the Nation of Islam’s Saviours’ Day gathering in Chicago simply because two members asked him to...well my thoughts on what tactics will work best are irrelevant. You're the mack and you got the game plan so go for it.

I am the PP who first mentioned a march. Seriously, I only did that in response to the apparent claim that if White being a CM from W8 says something about Ward 8, then Trump being elected says something about America. Well Trump being elected DOES say something about America , something not good, and that is ONE reason so many of us were intent on marching, to show that is NOT who we are. Now IF W8 people would march they could show what White et al is are NOT who they are. Maybe that's not important to them, or maybe they are all too busy or too poor or too oppressed for it to be worthwhile doing - but the consequence is that a chance to show its NOT who they are, is lost.

I ain't saying it wouldn't be effective I'm just not of the opinion that it's at all plausible cause plain and simply put people in Ward 8 got shit on their list of priorities which need addressing that they have rallied for and raised their voices to get something done about for years (better housing, better schools, better policing, better grocery stores, etc.) and that course of action has seen painfully slow results, if any. I just got doubts that a similar "community effort" to demand censure or reprimand or removal of Trayon White would have better or faster results, that's all. That's one of the drawbacks to being black - don't nobody listen to shit they got to say. Way I figure the fastest and easiest way to address Trayon is that the other councilmembers or the mayor do it. But it is what it is, whatever plan of action you think works best is all good with me I'm just hoping it works.

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I ain't saying it wouldn't be effective I'm just not of the opinion that it's at all plausible cause plain and simply put people in Ward 8 got shit on their list of priorities which need addressing that they have rallied for and raised their voices to get something done about for years (better housing, better schools, better policing, better grocery stores, etc.)

IIUC the District has spent considerable sums on AH (and Mayor Bowser has committed to big increases) they are spending a lot on schools (which hasn't improved quality much IN public schools IN ward 8, but a lot of Ward 8 kids take advantage of charters, OOB lottery, etc) Council has spent time and dollars on the grocery store issue, including getting a YES Organic Market there, which failed, and then bending over backwards for Walmart, which screwed them over.

Looks like those are big complicated issues. I hope basic decency doesn't have to wait till they are solved - just as I hope we can cure white nationalism before we have figured out how to solve he social problems of southern W Va.

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Anonymous wrote:I ain't saying it wouldn't be effective I'm just not of the opinion that it's at all plausible cause plain and simply put people in Ward 8 got shit on their list of priorities which need addressing that they have rallied for and raised their voices to get something done about for years (better housing, better schools, better policing, better grocery stores, etc.)

IIUC the District has spent considerable sums on AH (and Mayor Bowser has committed to big increases) they are spending a lot on schools (which hasn't improved quality much IN public schools IN ward 8, but a lot of Ward 8 kids take advantage of charters, OOB lottery, etc) Council has spent time and dollars on the grocery store issue, including getting a YES Organic Market there, which failed, and then bending over backwards for Walmart, which screwed them over.

Looks like those are big complicated issues. I hope basic decency doesn't have to wait till they are solved - just as I hope we can cure white nationalism before we have figured out how to solve he social problems of southern W Va.

You understand correctly that things are improving but if you survey some of the folks in Ward 8 you'll find that shit definitely ain't getting done sufficiently and to everybody's liking. And that's probably going to be the case with this demand for action/accountability regarding this issue of anti-Semitism. What are the odds that if a few hundred black folks in Ward 8 held some kind of march decrying anti-Semitism and advocating for greater tolerance and cooperation between blacks and Jews, that it would be sufficient and to everybody's liking? What are the odds that if every single black resident of Ward 8 personally pledged to visit the Holocaust Museum for one of the First Person 2018 Series events this month that it would be sufficient and to everybody's liking? Maybe I'm just skeptical but I don't see anything the folks in Ward 8 can do to ease the anxieties of Jewish Washingtonians about anti-Semitism - at least not expeditiously. Way I see it only thing that may put folks at ease is and promptly is getting rid of Trayon and that's where the Mayor and the council come in. But, again...I ain't the mack so it ain't my call regarding where to put the responsibility for resolution.