Farrakhan Speaker Concludes Anti-Semitic Remarks with "Jews are Termites" at Trayon Support Rally

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Anonymous wrote:I ain't saying it wouldn't be effective I'm just not of the opinion that it's at all plausible cause plain and simply put people in Ward 8 got shit on their list of priorities which need addressing that they have rallied for and raised their voices to get something done about for years (better housing, better schools, better policing, better grocery stores, etc.)

IIUC the District has spent considerable sums on AH (and Mayor Bowser has committed to big increases) they are spending a lot on schools (which hasn't improved quality much IN public schools IN ward 8, but a lot of Ward 8 kids take advantage of charters, OOB lottery, etc) Council has spent time and dollars on the grocery store issue, including getting a YES Organic Market there, which failed, and then bending over backwards for Walmart, which screwed them over.

Looks like those are big complicated issues. I hope basic decency doesn't have to wait till they are solved - just as I hope we can cure white nationalism before we have figured out how to solve he social problems of southern W Va.

You understand correctly that things are improving but if you survey some of the folks in Ward 8 you'll find that shit definitely ain't getting done sufficiently and to everybody's liking. And that's probably going to be the case with this demand for action/accountability regarding this issue of anti-Semitism. What are the odds that if a few hundred black folks in Ward 8 held some kind of march decrying anti-Semitism and advocating for greater tolerance and cooperation between blacks and Jews, that it would be sufficient and to everybody's liking? What are the odds that if every single black resident of Ward 8 personally pledged to visit the Holocaust Museum for one of the First Person 2018 Series events this month that it would be sufficient and to everybody's liking? Maybe I'm just skeptical but I don't see anything the folks in Ward 8 can do to ease the anxieties of Jewish Washingtonians about anti-Semitism - at least not expeditiously. Way I see it only thing that may put folks at ease is and promptly is getting rid of Trayon and that's where the Mayor and the council come in. But, again...I ain't the mack so it ain't my call regarding where to put the responsibility for resolution.

Everybody is a straw man. Sure there are a few who will always have yet higher demands for being "woke" on antisemitism. But it would be sufficient for reasonable people, for 90% of Jews in the District, for Rabbi Herzfeld, for CM Silverman, JCRC, etc, etc. Plus it would make it a LOT easier for Mayor Bowser et al to find their courage IF they saw W8 people taking a stand. Just as the Womens March served to buck up the courage of some Dem congressmen who were looking weak in December 2016.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I ain't saying it wouldn't be effective I'm just not of the opinion that it's at all plausible cause plain and simply put people in Ward 8 got shit on their list of priorities which need addressing that they have rallied for and raised their voices to get something done about for years (better housing, better schools, better policing, better grocery stores, etc.)

IIUC the District has spent considerable sums on AH (and Mayor Bowser has committed to big increases) they are spending a lot on schools (which hasn't improved quality much IN public schools IN ward 8, but a lot of Ward 8 kids take advantage of charters, OOB lottery, etc) Council has spent time and dollars on the grocery store issue, including getting a YES Organic Market there, which failed, and then bending over backwards for Walmart, which screwed them over.

Looks like those are big complicated issues. I hope basic decency doesn't have to wait till they are solved - just as I hope we can cure white nationalism before we have figured out how to solve he social problems of southern W Va.

You understand correctly that things are improving but if you survey some of the folks in Ward 8 you'll find that shit definitely ain't getting done sufficiently and to everybody's liking. And that's probably going to be the case with this demand for action/accountability regarding this issue of anti-Semitism. What are the odds that if a few hundred black folks in Ward 8 held some kind of march decrying anti-Semitism and advocating for greater tolerance and cooperation between blacks and Jews, that it would be sufficient and to everybody's liking? What are the odds that if every single black resident of Ward 8 personally pledged to visit the Holocaust Museum for one of the First Person 2018 Series events this month that it would be sufficient and to everybody's liking? Maybe I'm just skeptical but I don't see anything the folks in Ward 8 can do to ease the anxieties of Jewish Washingtonians about anti-Semitism - at least not expeditiously. Way I see it only thing that may put folks at ease is and promptly is getting rid of Trayon and that's where the Mayor and the council come in. But, again...I ain't the mack so it ain't my call regarding where to put the responsibility for resolution.

Everybody is a straw man. Sure there are a few who will always have yet higher demands for being "woke" on antisemitism. But it would be sufficient for reasonable people, for 90% of Jews in the District, for Rabbi Herzfeld, for CM Silverman, JCRC, etc, etc. Plus it would make it a LOT easier for Mayor Bowser et al to find their courage IF they saw W8 people taking a stand. Just as the Womens March served to buck up the courage of some Dem congressmen who were looking weak in December 2016.

Sounds like minds are made up and the mack is confident in what course of action would be most beneficial. So what’s the modus operandi for putting the plan in motion? Some rabbis gonna run this idea past a few preachers in Southeast and see if they can spread the word around to encourage the colored folks to take a stand, or is the onus still solely and squarely on the Ward 8 folks shoulders to figure out for themselves what would make for a great feel-good gesture to the Jewish Washingtonians who are spread throughout other areas of the District that they rarely cross paths with?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I ain't saying it wouldn't be effective I'm just not of the opinion that it's at all plausible cause plain and simply put people in Ward 8 got shit on their list of priorities which need addressing that they have rallied for and raised their voices to get something done about for years (better housing, better schools, better policing, better grocery stores, etc.)

IIUC the District has spent considerable sums on AH (and Mayor Bowser has committed to big increases) they are spending a lot on schools (which hasn't improved quality much IN public schools IN ward 8, but a lot of Ward 8 kids take advantage of charters, OOB lottery, etc) Council has spent time and dollars on the grocery store issue, including getting a YES Organic Market there, which failed, and then bending over backwards for Walmart, which screwed them over.

Looks like those are big complicated issues. I hope basic decency doesn't have to wait till they are solved - just as I hope we can cure white nationalism before we have figured out how to solve he social problems of southern W Va.

You understand correctly that things are improving but if you survey some of the folks in Ward 8 you'll find that shit definitely ain't getting done sufficiently and to everybody's liking. And that's probably going to be the case with this demand for action/accountability regarding this issue of anti-Semitism. What are the odds that if a few hundred black folks in Ward 8 held some kind of march decrying anti-Semitism and advocating for greater tolerance and cooperation between blacks and Jews, that it would be sufficient and to everybody's liking? What are the odds that if every single black resident of Ward 8 personally pledged to visit the Holocaust Museum for one of the First Person 2018 Series events this month that it would be sufficient and to everybody's liking? Maybe I'm just skeptical but I don't see anything the folks in Ward 8 can do to ease the anxieties of Jewish Washingtonians about anti-Semitism - at least not expeditiously. Way I see it only thing that may put folks at ease is and promptly is getting rid of Trayon and that's where the Mayor and the council come in. But, again...I ain't the mack so it ain't my call regarding where to put the responsibility for resolution.

Everybody is a straw man. Sure there are a few who will always have yet higher demands for being "woke" on antisemitism. But it would be sufficient for reasonable people, for 90% of Jews in the District, for Rabbi Herzfeld, for CM Silverman, JCRC, etc, etc. Plus it would make it a LOT easier for Mayor Bowser et al to find their courage IF they saw W8 people taking a stand. Just as the Womens March served to buck up the courage of some Dem congressmen who were looking weak in December 2016.

OP here. It would be great if some folks in Ward 8 pushed back against Trayon's acceptance of anti-Semitism (or a least his steadfast refusal to condemn disgusting anti-Semitic remarks), but in all reality, the tone for all this is set at the top - starting with Bowser. That she (along with most Council members) don't even see fit to censure Trayon for his behavior sends a message to Ward 8 folks (and everyone else) that anti-Semitism isn't taken all that seriously in DC. She didn't even have the courage to fire Lopez, hemming and hawing over "what to do.....what to do," until he saved her and just resigned. It was so obvious what she needed to do, but she didn't want to pull the trigger.

On the flip side, I do see your point. Bowser's reluctance IS a direct result of her fear of political fallout from "taking a stand" against anti-Semitism, sad as that it for me to type it out. In a city comprised largely of African Americans, who rightly are concerned with bigotry against them, it's incredible that the mayor herself is afraid of demonstrating, through a censure at least, that bigotry is acceptable in this city - when it's against the Jews.

Just terrible.

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Anonymous wrote:I ain't saying it wouldn't be effective I'm just not of the opinion that it's at all plausible cause plain and simply put people in Ward 8 got shit on their list of priorities which need addressing that they have rallied for and raised their voices to get something done about for years (better housing, better schools, better policing, better grocery stores, etc.)

IIUC the District has spent considerable sums on AH (and Mayor Bowser has committed to big increases) they are spending a lot on schools (which hasn't improved quality much IN public schools IN ward 8, but a lot of Ward 8 kids take advantage of charters, OOB lottery, etc) Council has spent time and dollars on the grocery store issue, including getting a YES Organic Market there, which failed, and then bending over backwards for Walmart, which screwed them over.

Looks like those are big complicated issues. I hope basic decency doesn't have to wait till they are solved - just as I hope we can cure white nationalism before we have figured out how to solve he social problems of southern W Va.

You understand correctly that things are improving but if you survey some of the folks in Ward 8 you'll find that shit definitely ain't getting done sufficiently and to everybody's liking. And that's probably going to be the case with this demand for action/accountability regarding this issue of anti-Semitism. What are the odds that if a few hundred black folks in Ward 8 held some kind of march decrying anti-Semitism and advocating for greater tolerance and cooperation between blacks and Jews, that it would be sufficient and to everybody's liking? What are the odds that if every single black resident of Ward 8 personally pledged to visit the Holocaust Museum for one of the First Person 2018 Series events this month that it would be sufficient and to everybody's liking? Maybe I'm just skeptical but I don't see anything the folks in Ward 8 can do to ease the anxieties of Jewish Washingtonians about anti-Semitism - at least not expeditiously. Way I see it only thing that may put folks at ease is and promptly is getting rid of Trayon and that's where the Mayor and the council come in. But, again...I ain't the mack so it ain't my call regarding where to put the responsibility for resolution.

Everybody is a straw man. Sure there are a few who will always have yet higher demands for being "woke" on antisemitism. But it would be sufficient for reasonable people, for 90% of Jews in the District, for Rabbi Herzfeld, for CM Silverman, JCRC, etc, etc. Plus it would make it a LOT easier for Mayor Bowser et al to find their courage IF they saw W8 people taking a stand. Just as the Womens March served to buck up the courage of some Dem congressmen who were looking weak in December 2016.

Sounds like minds are made up and the mack is confident in what course of action would be most beneficial. So what’s the modus operandi for putting the plan in motion? Some rabbis gonna run this idea past a few preachers in Southeast and see if they can spread the word around to encourage the colored folks to take a stand, or is the onus still solely and squarely on the Ward 8 folks shoulders to figure out for themselves what would make for a great feel-good gesture to the Jewish Washingtonians who are spread throughout other areas of the District that they rarely cross paths with?

Your disdain is showing. First, why refer to black people as "colored folks" (which went out in the 50s) or diminish any push back against Jew hatred as merely a "feel-good gesture"? That ALONE is showing that you don't think anti-Semitism is worth standing up against.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I ain't saying it wouldn't be effective I'm just not of the opinion that it's at all plausible cause plain and simply put people in Ward 8 got shit on their list of priorities which need addressing that they have rallied for and raised their voices to get something done about for years (better housing, better schools, better policing, better grocery stores, etc.)

IIUC the District has spent considerable sums on AH (and Mayor Bowser has committed to big increases) they are spending a lot on schools (which hasn't improved quality much IN public schools IN ward 8, but a lot of Ward 8 kids take advantage of charters, OOB lottery, etc) Council has spent time and dollars on the grocery store issue, including getting a YES Organic Market there, which failed, and then bending over backwards for Walmart, which screwed them over.

Looks like those are big complicated issues. I hope basic decency doesn't have to wait till they are solved - just as I hope we can cure white nationalism before we have figured out how to solve he social problems of southern W Va.

You understand correctly that things are improving but if you survey some of the folks in Ward 8 you'll find that shit definitely ain't getting done sufficiently and to everybody's liking. And that's probably going to be the case with this demand for action/accountability regarding this issue of anti-Semitism. What are the odds that if a few hundred black folks in Ward 8 held some kind of march decrying anti-Semitism and advocating for greater tolerance and cooperation between blacks and Jews, that it would be sufficient and to everybody's liking? What are the odds that if every single black resident of Ward 8 personally pledged to visit the Holocaust Museum for one of the First Person 2018 Series events this month that it would be sufficient and to everybody's liking? Maybe I'm just skeptical but I don't see anything the folks in Ward 8 can do to ease the anxieties of Jewish Washingtonians about anti-Semitism - at least not expeditiously. Way I see it only thing that may put folks at ease is and promptly is getting rid of Trayon and that's where the Mayor and the council come in. But, again...I ain't the mack so it ain't my call regarding where to put the responsibility for resolution.

Everybody is a straw man. Sure there are a few who will always have yet higher demands for being "woke" on antisemitism. But it would be sufficient for reasonable people, for 90% of Jews in the District, for Rabbi Herzfeld, for CM Silverman, JCRC, etc, etc. Plus it would make it a LOT easier for Mayor Bowser et al to find their courage IF they saw W8 people taking a stand. Just as the Womens March served to buck up the courage of some Dem congressmen who were looking weak in December 2016.

Sounds like minds are made up and the mack is confident in what course of action would be most beneficial. So what’s the modus operandi for putting the plan in motion? Some rabbis gonna run this idea past a few preachers in Southeast and see if they can spread the word around to encourage the colored folks to take a stand, or is the onus still solely and squarely on the Ward 8 folks shoulders to figure out for themselves what would make for a great feel-good gesture to the Jewish Washingtonians who are spread throughout other areas of the District that they rarely cross paths with?

Your disdain is showing. First, why refer to black people as "colored folks" (which went out in the 50s) or diminish any push back against Jew hatred as merely a "feel-good gesture"? That ALONE is showing that you don't think anti-Semitism is worth standing up against.

Well there’s no legislative or systemic measures in DC that need to be done regarding anti-Semitism...ain’t no housing discrimination or profiling by the police or educational inequalities in place disproportionately affecting Jews and making their lives miserable. It’s just plain old acrimony and antipathy by some poor people who can’t do shit but dislike...they can’t do shit else cause they got no money no power and no influence. When you look at it that way what else can they do but offer a gesture of goodwill to make Jews feel better but ain’t shit they can do to make Jews lives better or easier. It is what it is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I ain't saying it wouldn't be effective I'm just not of the opinion that it's at all plausible cause plain and simply put people in Ward 8 got shit on their list of priorities which need addressing that they have rallied for and raised their voices to get something done about for years (better housing, better schools, better policing, better grocery stores, etc.)

IIUC the District has spent considerable sums on AH (and Mayor Bowser has committed to big increases) they are spending a lot on schools (which hasn't improved quality much IN public schools IN ward 8, but a lot of Ward 8 kids take advantage of charters, OOB lottery, etc) Council has spent time and dollars on the grocery store issue, including getting a YES Organic Market there, which failed, and then bending over backwards for Walmart, which screwed them over.

Looks like those are big complicated issues. I hope basic decency doesn't have to wait till they are solved - just as I hope we can cure white nationalism before we have figured out how to solve he social problems of southern W Va.

You understand correctly that things are improving but if you survey some of the folks in Ward 8 you'll find that shit definitely ain't getting done sufficiently and to everybody's liking. And that's probably going to be the case with this demand for action/accountability regarding this issue of anti-Semitism. What are the odds that if a few hundred black folks in Ward 8 held some kind of march decrying anti-Semitism and advocating for greater tolerance and cooperation between blacks and Jews, that it would be sufficient and to everybody's liking? What are the odds that if every single black resident of Ward 8 personally pledged to visit the Holocaust Museum for one of the First Person 2018 Series events this month that it would be sufficient and to everybody's liking? Maybe I'm just skeptical but I don't see anything the folks in Ward 8 can do to ease the anxieties of Jewish Washingtonians about anti-Semitism - at least not expeditiously. Way I see it only thing that may put folks at ease is and promptly is getting rid of Trayon and that's where the Mayor and the council come in. But, again...I ain't the mack so it ain't my call regarding where to put the responsibility for resolution.

Everybody is a straw man. Sure there are a few who will always have yet higher demands for being "woke" on antisemitism. But it would be sufficient for reasonable people, for 90% of Jews in the District, for Rabbi Herzfeld, for CM Silverman, JCRC, etc, etc. Plus it would make it a LOT easier for Mayor Bowser et al to find their courage IF they saw W8 people taking a stand. Just as the Womens March served to buck up the courage of some Dem congressmen who were looking weak in December 2016.

Sounds like minds are made up and the mack is confident in what course of action would be most beneficial. So what’s the modus operandi for putting the plan in motion? Some rabbis gonna run this idea past a few preachers in Southeast and see if they can spread the word around to encourage the colored folks to take a stand, or is the onus still solely and squarely on the Ward 8 folks shoulders to figure out for themselves what would make for a great feel-good gesture to the Jewish Washingtonians who are spread throughout other areas of the District that they rarely cross paths with?

Your disdain is showing. First, why refer to black people as "colored folks" (which went out in the 50s) or diminish any push back against Jew hatred as merely a "feel-good gesture"? That ALONE is showing that you don't think anti-Semitism is worth standing up against.

Well there’s no legislative or systemic measures in DC that need to be done regarding anti-Semitism...ain’t no housing discrimination or profiling by the police or educational inequalities in place disproportionately affecting Jews and making their lives miserable. It’s just plain old acrimony and antipathy by some poor people who can’t do shit but dislike...they can’t do shit else cause they got no money no power and no influence. When you look at it that way what else can they do but offer a gesture of goodwill to make Jews feel better but ain’t shit they can do to make Jews lives better or easier. It is what it is.

s
Mmm...what you just said parallels the situation of your average working class 1930s non Jewish German. Guess it's cool they said nothing?

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Anonymous wrote:I ain't saying it wouldn't be effective I'm just not of the opinion that it's at all plausible cause plain and simply put people in Ward 8 got shit on their list of priorities which need addressing that they have rallied for and raised their voices to get something done about for years (better housing, better schools, better policing, better grocery stores, etc.)

IIUC the District has spent considerable sums on AH (and Mayor Bowser has committed to big increases) they are spending a lot on schools (which hasn't improved quality much IN public schools IN ward 8, but a lot of Ward 8 kids take advantage of charters, OOB lottery, etc) Council has spent time and dollars on the grocery store issue, including getting a YES Organic Market there, which failed, and then bending over backwards for Walmart, which screwed them over.

Looks like those are big complicated issues. I hope basic decency doesn't have to wait till they are solved - just as I hope we can cure white nationalism before we have figured out how to solve he social problems of southern W Va.

You understand correctly that things are improving but if you survey some of the folks in Ward 8 you'll find that shit definitely ain't getting done sufficiently and to everybody's liking. And that's probably going to be the case with this demand for action/accountability regarding this issue of anti-Semitism. What are the odds that if a few hundred black folks in Ward 8 held some kind of march decrying anti-Semitism and advocating for greater tolerance and cooperation between blacks and Jews, that it would be sufficient and to everybody's liking? What are the odds that if every single black resident of Ward 8 personally pledged to visit the Holocaust Museum for one of the First Person 2018 Series events this month that it would be sufficient and to everybody's liking? Maybe I'm just skeptical but I don't see anything the folks in Ward 8 can do to ease the anxieties of Jewish Washingtonians about anti-Semitism - at least not expeditiously. Way I see it only thing that may put folks at ease is and promptly is getting rid of Trayon and that's where the Mayor and the council come in. But, again...I ain't the mack so it ain't my call regarding where to put the responsibility for resolution.

Everybody is a straw man. Sure there are a few who will always have yet higher demands for being "woke" on antisemitism. But it would be sufficient for reasonable people, for 90% of Jews in the District, for Rabbi Herzfeld, for CM Silverman, JCRC, etc, etc. Plus it would make it a LOT easier for Mayor Bowser et al to find their courage IF they saw W8 people taking a stand. Just as the Womens March served to buck up the courage of some Dem congressmen who were looking weak in December 2016.

Sounds like minds are made up and the mack is confident in what course of action would be most beneficial. So what’s the modus operandi for putting the plan in motion? Some rabbis gonna run this idea past a few preachers in Southeast and see if they can spread the word around to encourage the colored folks to take a stand, or is the onus still solely and squarely on the Ward 8 folks shoulders to figure out for themselves what would make for a great feel-good gesture to the Jewish Washingtonians who are spread throughout other areas of the District that they rarely cross paths with?

Your disdain is showing. First, why refer to black people as "colored folks" (which went out in the 50s) or diminish any push back against Jew hatred as merely a "feel-good gesture"? That ALONE is showing that you don't think anti-Semitism is worth standing up against.

Well there’s no legislative or systemic measures in DC that need to be done regarding anti-Semitism...ain’t no housing discrimination or profiling by the police or educational inequalities in place disproportionately affecting Jews and making their lives miserable. It’s just plain old acrimony and antipathy by some poor people who can’t do shit but dislike...they can’t do shit else cause they got no money no power and no influence. When you look at it that way what else can they do but offer a gesture of goodwill to make Jews feel better but ain’t shit they can do to make Jews lives better or easier. It is what it is.

s
Mmm...what you just said parallels the situation of your average working class 1930s non Jewish German. Guess it's cool they said nothing?

His ignorance is blaring so loud that I may go deaf.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I ain't saying it wouldn't be effective I'm just not of the opinion that it's at all plausible cause plain and simply put people in Ward 8 got shit on their list of priorities which need addressing that they have rallied for and raised their voices to get something done about for years (better housing, better schools, better policing, better grocery stores, etc.)

IIUC the District has spent considerable sums on AH (and Mayor Bowser has committed to big increases) they are spending a lot on schools (which hasn't improved quality much IN public schools IN ward 8, but a lot of Ward 8 kids take advantage of charters, OOB lottery, etc) Council has spent time and dollars on the grocery store issue, including getting a YES Organic Market there, which failed, and then bending over backwards for Walmart, which screwed them over.

Looks like those are big complicated issues. I hope basic decency doesn't have to wait till they are solved - just as I hope we can cure white nationalism before we have figured out how to solve he social problems of southern W Va.

You understand correctly that things are improving but if you survey some of the folks in Ward 8 you'll find that shit definitely ain't getting done sufficiently and to everybody's liking. And that's probably going to be the case with this demand for action/accountability regarding this issue of anti-Semitism. What are the odds that if a few hundred black folks in Ward 8 held some kind of march decrying anti-Semitism and advocating for greater tolerance and cooperation between blacks and Jews, that it would be sufficient and to everybody's liking? What are the odds that if every single black resident of Ward 8 personally pledged to visit the Holocaust Museum for one of the First Person 2018 Series events this month that it would be sufficient and to everybody's liking? Maybe I'm just skeptical but I don't see anything the folks in Ward 8 can do to ease the anxieties of Jewish Washingtonians about anti-Semitism - at least not expeditiously. Way I see it only thing that may put folks at ease is and promptly is getting rid of Trayon and that's where the Mayor and the council come in. But, again...I ain't the mack so it ain't my call regarding where to put the responsibility for resolution.

Everybody is a straw man. Sure there are a few who will always have yet higher demands for being "woke" on antisemitism. But it would be sufficient for reasonable people, for 90% of Jews in the District, for Rabbi Herzfeld, for CM Silverman, JCRC, etc, etc. Plus it would make it a LOT easier for Mayor Bowser et al to find their courage IF they saw W8 people taking a stand. Just as the Womens March served to buck up the courage of some Dem congressmen who were looking weak in December 2016.

OP here. It would be great if some folks in Ward 8 pushed back against Trayon's acceptance of anti-Semitism (or a least his steadfast refusal to condemn disgusting anti-Semitic remarks), but in all reality, the tone for all this is set at the top - starting with Bowser. That she (along with most Council members) don't even see fit to censure Trayon for his behavior sends a message to Ward 8 folks (and everyone else) that anti-Semitism isn't taken all that seriously in DC. She didn't even have the courage to fire Lopez, hemming and hawing over "what to do.....what to do," until he saved her and just resigned. It was so obvious what she needed to do, but she didn't want to pull the trigger.

On the flip side, I do see your point. Bowser's reluctance IS a direct result of her fear of political fallout from "taking a stand" against anti-Semitism, sad as that it for me to type it out. In a city comprised largely of African Americans, who rightly are concerned with bigotry against them, it's incredible that the mayor herself is afraid of demonstrating, through a censure at least, that bigotry is acceptable in this city - when it's against the Jews.

Just terrible.

+ a million

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Anonymous wrote:I ain't saying it wouldn't be effective I'm just not of the opinion that it's at all plausible cause plain and simply put people in Ward 8 got shit on their list of priorities which need addressing that they have rallied for and raised their voices to get something done about for years (better housing, better schools, better policing, better grocery stores, etc.)

IIUC the District has spent considerable sums on AH (and Mayor Bowser has committed to big increases) they are spending a lot on schools (which hasn't improved quality much IN public schools IN ward 8, but a lot of Ward 8 kids take advantage of charters, OOB lottery, etc) Council has spent time and dollars on the grocery store issue, including getting a YES Organic Market there, which failed, and then bending over backwards for Walmart, which screwed them over.

Looks like those are big complicated issues. I hope basic decency doesn't have to wait till they are solved - just as I hope we can cure white nationalism before we have figured out how to solve he social problems of southern W Va.

You understand correctly that things are improving but if you survey some of the folks in Ward 8 you'll find that shit definitely ain't getting done sufficiently and to everybody's liking. And that's probably going to be the case with this demand for action/accountability regarding this issue of anti-Semitism. What are the odds that if a few hundred black folks in Ward 8 held some kind of march decrying anti-Semitism and advocating for greater tolerance and cooperation between blacks and Jews, that it would be sufficient and to everybody's liking? What are the odds that if every single black resident of Ward 8 personally pledged to visit the Holocaust Museum for one of the First Person 2018 Series events this month that it would be sufficient and to everybody's liking? Maybe I'm just skeptical but I don't see anything the folks in Ward 8 can do to ease the anxieties of Jewish Washingtonians about anti-Semitism - at least not expeditiously. Way I see it only thing that may put folks at ease is and promptly is getting rid of Trayon and that's where the Mayor and the council come in. But, again...I ain't the mack so it ain't my call regarding where to put the responsibility for resolution.

Everybody is a straw man. Sure there are a few who will always have yet higher demands for being "woke" on antisemitism. But it would be sufficient for reasonable people, for 90% of Jews in the District, for Rabbi Herzfeld, for CM Silverman, JCRC, etc, etc. Plus it would make it a LOT easier for Mayor Bowser et al to find their courage IF they saw W8 people taking a stand. Just as the Womens March served to buck up the courage of some Dem congressmen who were looking weak in December 2016.

Sounds like minds are made up and the mack is confident in what course of action would be most beneficial. So what’s the modus operandi for putting the plan in motion? Some rabbis gonna run this idea past a few preachers in Southeast and see if they can spread the word around to encourage the colored folks to take a stand, or is the onus still solely and squarely on the Ward 8 folks shoulders to figure out for themselves what would make for a great feel-good gesture to the Jewish Washingtonians who are spread throughout other areas of the District that they rarely cross paths with?

Your disdain is showing. First, why refer to black people as "colored folks" (which went out in the 50s) or diminish any push back against Jew hatred as merely a "feel-good gesture"? That ALONE is showing that you don't think anti-Semitism is worth standing up against.

Well there’s no legislative or systemic measures in DC that need to be done regarding anti-Semitism...ain’t no housing discrimination or profiling by the police or educational inequalities in place disproportionately affecting Jews and making their lives miserable. It’s just plain old acrimony and antipathy by some poor people who can’t do shit but dislike...they can’t do shit else cause they got no money no power and no influence. When you look at it that way what else can they do but offer a gesture of goodwill to make Jews feel better but ain’t shit they can do to make Jews lives better or easier. It is what it is.

s
Mmm...what you just said parallels the situation of your average working class 1930s non Jewish German. Guess it's cool they said nothing?

Damn...well if y’all think my comments are comparable to the misguided myopic mindset of the average 1930’s working class non-Jewish German that didn’t say shit about the anti-Semitic propaganda being spread and didn’t say shit about the Volksgemeinschaft ideology being promoted and didn’t say shit about the Nuremberg laws being introduced, etc. well it’s only one thing I can say - - - I apologize.
Certainly not my intention to arouse such suspicions of parallelism and definitely not my desire to denote any similar disposition of advocating turning a blind eye to hatred. If that’s the temperament being interpreted in my remarks then it’s time for me to STFU and end my input to this discussion cause those kinda correlations definitely don’t help shit.
Peace.

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Anonymous wrote:I ain't saying it wouldn't be effective I'm just not of the opinion that it's at all plausible cause plain and simply put people in Ward 8 got shit on their list of priorities which need addressing that they have rallied for and raised their voices to get something done about for years (better housing, better schools, better policing, better grocery stores, etc.)

IIUC the District has spent considerable sums on AH (and Mayor Bowser has committed to big increases) they are spending a lot on schools (which hasn't improved quality much IN public schools IN ward 8, but a lot of Ward 8 kids take advantage of charters, OOB lottery, etc) Council has spent time and dollars on the grocery store issue, including getting a YES Organic Market there, which failed, and then bending over backwards for Walmart, which screwed them over.

Looks like those are big complicated issues. I hope basic decency doesn't have to wait till they are solved - just as I hope we can cure white nationalism before we have figured out how to solve he social problems of southern W Va.

You understand correctly that things are improving but if you survey some of the folks in Ward 8 you'll find that shit definitely ain't getting done sufficiently and to everybody's liking. And that's probably going to be the case with this demand for action/accountability regarding this issue of anti-Semitism. What are the odds that if a few hundred black folks in Ward 8 held some kind of march decrying anti-Semitism and advocating for greater tolerance and cooperation between blacks and Jews, that it would be sufficient and to everybody's liking? What are the odds that if every single black resident of Ward 8 personally pledged to visit the Holocaust Museum for one of the First Person 2018 Series events this month that it would be sufficient and to everybody's liking? Maybe I'm just skeptical but I don't see anything the folks in Ward 8 can do to ease the anxieties of Jewish Washingtonians about anti-Semitism - at least not expeditiously. Way I see it only thing that may put folks at ease is and promptly is getting rid of Trayon and that's where the Mayor and the council come in. But, again...I ain't the mack so it ain't my call regarding where to put the responsibility for resolution.

Everybody is a straw man. Sure there are a few who will always have yet higher demands for being "woke" on antisemitism. But it would be sufficient for reasonable people, for 90% of Jews in the District, for Rabbi Herzfeld, for CM Silverman, JCRC, etc, etc. Plus it would make it a LOT easier for Mayor Bowser et al to find their courage IF they saw W8 people taking a stand. Just as the Womens March served to buck up the courage of some Dem congressmen who were looking weak in December 2016.

Sounds like minds are made up and the mack is confident in what course of action would be most beneficial. So what’s the modus operandi for putting the plan in motion? Some rabbis gonna run this idea past a few preachers in Southeast and see if they can spread the word around to encourage the colored folks to take a stand, or is the onus still solely and squarely on the Ward 8 folks shoulders to figure out for themselves what would make for a great feel-good gesture to the Jewish Washingtonians who are spread throughout other areas of the District that they rarely cross paths with?

1 more time, I mentioned a march only in this context

I am the PP who first mentioned a march. Seriously, I only did that in response to the apparent claim that if White being a CM from W8 says something about Ward 8, then Trump being elected says something about America. Well Trump being elected DOES say something about America , something not good, and that is ONE reason so many of us were intent on marching, to show that is NOT who we are. Now IF W8 people would march they could show what White et al is are NOT who they are. Maybe that's not important to them, or maybe they are all too busy or too poor or too oppressed for it to be worthwhile doing - but the consequence is that a chance to show its NOT who they are, is lost.

As for who would organize it if people did want to do it, I am not certain. The women's march was mostly grass roots and was very powerful for that reason, and created some new leaders. OTOH black preachers have been a great moral force, and they could do something I suppose.

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Anonymous wrote:I ain't saying it wouldn't be effective I'm just not of the opinion that it's at all plausible cause plain and simply put people in Ward 8 got shit on their list of priorities which need addressing that they have rallied for and raised their voices to get something done about for years (better housing, better schools, better policing, better grocery stores, etc.)

IIUC the District has spent considerable sums on AH (and Mayor Bowser has committed to big increases) they are spending a lot on schools (which hasn't improved quality much IN public schools IN ward 8, but a lot of Ward 8 kids take advantage of charters, OOB lottery, etc) Council has spent time and dollars on the grocery store issue, including getting a YES Organic Market there, which failed, and then bending over backwards for Walmart, which screwed them over.

Looks like those are big complicated issues. I hope basic decency doesn't have to wait till they are solved - just as I hope we can cure white nationalism before we have figured out how to solve he social problems of southern W Va.

You understand correctly that things are improving but if you survey some of the folks in Ward 8 you'll find that shit definitely ain't getting done sufficiently and to everybody's liking. And that's probably going to be the case with this demand for action/accountability regarding this issue of anti-Semitism. What are the odds that if a few hundred black folks in Ward 8 held some kind of march decrying anti-Semitism and advocating for greater tolerance and cooperation between blacks and Jews, that it would be sufficient and to everybody's liking? What are the odds that if every single black resident of Ward 8 personally pledged to visit the Holocaust Museum for one of the First Person 2018 Series events this month that it would be sufficient and to everybody's liking? Maybe I'm just skeptical but I don't see anything the folks in Ward 8 can do to ease the anxieties of Jewish Washingtonians about anti-Semitism - at least not expeditiously. Way I see it only thing that may put folks at ease is and promptly is getting rid of Trayon and that's where the Mayor and the council come in. But, again...I ain't the mack so it ain't my call regarding where to put the responsibility for resolution.

Everybody is a straw man. Sure there are a few who will always have yet higher demands for being "woke" on antisemitism. But it would be sufficient for reasonable people, for 90% of Jews in the District, for Rabbi Herzfeld, for CM Silverman, JCRC, etc, etc. Plus it would make it a LOT easier for Mayor Bowser et al to find their courage IF they saw W8 people taking a stand. Just as the Womens March served to buck up the courage of some Dem congressmen who were looking weak in December 2016.

Sounds like minds are made up and the mack is confident in what course of action would be most beneficial. So what’s the modus operandi for putting the plan in motion? Some rabbis gonna run this idea past a few preachers in Southeast and see if they can spread the word around to encourage the colored folks to take a stand, or is the onus still solely and squarely on the Ward 8 folks shoulders to figure out for themselves what would make for a great feel-good gesture to the Jewish Washingtonians who are spread throughout other areas of the District that they rarely cross paths with?

Your disdain is showing. First, why refer to black people as "colored folks" (which went out in the 50s) or diminish any push back against Jew hatred as merely a "feel-good gesture"? That ALONE is showing that you don't think anti-Semitism is worth standing up against.

Well there’s no legislative or systemic measures in DC that need to be done regarding anti-Semitism...ain’t no housing discrimination or profiling by the police or educational inequalities in place disproportionately affecting Jews and making their lives miserable. It’s just plain old acrimony and antipathy by some poor people who can’t do shit but dislike...they can’t do shit else cause they got no money no power and no influence. When you look at it that way what else can they do but offer a gesture of goodwill to make Jews feel better but ain’t shit they can do to make Jews lives better or easier. It is what it is.

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Mmm...what you just said parallels the situation of your average working class 1930s non Jewish German. Guess it's cool they said nothing?

Damn...well if y’all think my comments are comparable to the misguided myopic mindset of the average 1930’s working class non-Jewish German that didn’t say shit about the anti-Semitic propaganda being spread and didn’t say shit about the Volksgemeinschaft ideology being promoted and didn’t say shit about the Nuremberg laws being introduced, etc. well it’s only one thing I can say - - - I apologize.
Certainly not my intention to arouse such suspicions of parallelism and definitely not my desire to denote any similar disposition of advocating turning a blind eye to hatred. If that’s the temperament being interpreted in my remarks then it’s time for me to STFU and end my input to this discussion cause those kinda correlations definitely don’t help shit.
Peace.

OP here....don't go. Aside from your overusing the word "shit" all the time (personal pet peeve of mine), you are actually very knowledgeable and make some rather astute points.

(Can't join in the discussion the rest of the afternoon, though. I have to focus on work. Ugh.)

[Anonymous]

The attempts to excuse this ethnic hatred, here, as elsewhere, are transparent. We must all choose. Either we are all one people, together, respecting each other's differences, or we are tribes who live in barely concealed contempt, a step away from ethnic cleansing and war. What would you choose for your children?

[Anonymous]

People should take this Lopez and tar and feather him in front of the District Building.