How does Trayon White still have a job?
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Anonymous
Even by 1940s NYC was huge , this idea that they were the only ones willing to hire AAs is once again an exxagerated claim . Smh |
Anonymous
It was the case in my grandfather's neighborhood of Brooklyn, so there's truth in it, But look at how hard you are working to avoid acknowledging how Jews supported blacks through their struggles - be it Civil Rights marches or hiring for jobs. SMH too. |
Anonymous
DP, but are you saying that Jews DIDN'T hire African-Americans? Of course there were other people who hired African-Americans. No one us suggesting that ONLY Jews did that. But it was certainly disproportionate. |
Anonymous
Thank you for backing me up. This one antisemtitc PP I've been conversing with is getting on my nerves, as she is adamant not to acknowledge the efforts Jews made on blacks' behalf. In fact, she is downright resentful of it. What's that saying.....no good deed goes unpunished? I'm done with her. |
Anonymous
Blacks have always been hired in one form or another , at the risk of being captain obvious it appears you live in a county built in part by their free labor . Not sure what point you're trying to convey |
Anonymous
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"White American Jews have historically been victims of white supremacy — but we have also benefited, incontrovertibly, from white privilege. We have profited from the entitlements that white privilege affords; our communal success has been tied to its perpetuation. White Jews have been complicit in white privilege because we have gained from it, we have assimilated into its culture and embedded in its structures. From white privilege we have gained our homes, our bank loans, our positions of influence. We have not only embedded in the system but also climbed to its very upper echelons."
"All of this is not to say that Jews haven’t faced, don’t continue to face severe threats — to our status, our safety, our existential rights. Not all that much time has elapsed since the quota systems of the early 20th century, since the Holocaust and the pogroms. Jews across Europe continue to face waves of violent threats and attacks. There have been numerous allegations of anti-Semitic dog-whistles emerging from Trump’s White House." "But to a large extent, white American Jews have been protected from many U.S. systems of discrimination due to our skin color. We have been privileged by the systems that produced slavery, poll taxes, and mass incarceration. White supremacist groups in the U.S. have made it clear that they view Jews as "other," as "less than," something that's become especially salient in recent months and in the Charlottesville protests." "However, American culture is structured by many less visible systems of racial inequality - from U.S. policing practices to the unconscious biases present in hiring and housing processes - that certainly privilege white Jews on the basis of skin color alone." "Anti-Semitism has been present throughout American history, but racism is actually coded into this nation’s constitutional DNA." — Emma Goldberg Mar 29, 2018 from opinion article in Haaretz https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/after-farrakhan-mallory-confronting-america-s-black-jewish-divide-1.5958910 |
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I can't read this thread anymore. I was commenting, but it's making me feel sick.
Jeff, those Nazis marching the woman around town with the sign were simultaneously gassing people in the countryside in mobile vans, and viciously beating or shooting people on the street who wouldn't comply with orders for humiliating actions. The sign, or something like happened to my Father-in-law's father, where he was forced to scrub the street on his hands and knees while people shouted and spit at him. This IS part and parcel of preparation for the death camps. And we know, for a fact, that's where it ended up. And so did White. So, yes, it's giving a pass (or defending) Nazi atrocities. Jim Crow was terrible not only because black people suffered poorer services and conditions, and were regularly humiliated in public, but because separate spheres of life led directly to looking the other way for public lynchings. It was teaching people how to treat black people. |
Anonymous
Efforts Jews made on blacks behalf ?? Your existence is owed in part to the efforts those young black men enlisted in a segregated army made on your behalf when it came time to take your relatives out of the Nazi ovens . Not a whole lot of AAs ( if any)are expecting anything in return like you |
jsteele
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1) You really didn't answer my question. There are many anti-Soros conspiracy theories that are clearly anti-Semitic. See this article that describes how even Netanyahu's son was involved in spreading such ideas: https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-zeroing-in-on-soros-netanyahu-is-side-by-side-with-anti-semitic-scum-1.5792539 Or this meme being spread by alt-rights movement leader Mike Cernovich: https://www.adl.org/blog/anti-semitism-used-in-attack-against-national-security-adviser-h-r-mcmaster Soros was even shown in a Trump campaign ad while the narrator talked about Wall Street being controlled by global special interests who are involved in a conspiracy against the American people: https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/team-trump-donald-trumps-argument-for-america-campaign-2016/2016/11/06/218f32d4-a443-11e6-ba46-53db57f0e351_video.html Is there any difference between this sort of thing and the conspiracy theories about the Rothschilds? Do the anti-Soros conspiracy theories concern you? 2) I think White's actions are troubling and, in the case of the contribution to the NOI, illegal. But, I do not think they amount to obvious anti-Semitism. I think White has demonstrated that he is unacceptably insensitive to anti-Semitism and I don't blame Jews (or anyone else for that matter) for being upset and appalled. I do believe that much of the reaction by Jews (and others) is heartfelt and sincere. However, I think that you personally have demonstrated repeatedly that your primary motivation is political partisanship rather than concern about anti-Semitism. This is evident by your insistence in nearly every post on blaming "liberals" when liberals are on both sides of this discussion. You have claimed time after time that those who -- like me -- don't see White as a blatant anti-Semite are making excuses because we are liberals. You don't give us credit for understanding a much more nuanced situation. In fact, you even reject Jews United for Justice on the simple basis that they are liberal. For you, this is a conflict between liberals and conservatives, not anti-Semites and those who oppose them. |
Anonymous
The only thing expected in return is to not be treated with anti-semtism. No one is asking for a medal, or thanks, but it would be nice to not be subjugated as a people to the same thing that African-Americans have been subjugated to in terms of gross misperceptions and propogating racist myths. |
Anonymous
I suspect Ms Goldberg would earn herself the set hating Jew title which is usually reserved for those whose clear, concise, precise and evidence-based arguments runs counter to the alternate reality that the 'mob' wants to push . |
Anonymous
That's because I am trying to show that there is awful Antisemtism among liberals, too. (This forum is overwhelmingly liberal and we see awful attacks and accusations about prejudice among conservatives.) Trying to deny it and diminish it, as is happening with the White case, is merely allowing it to fester. I try to root it out wherever I see it, and I think it is just as bad on both sides of the aisle, just in different forms. And I still see that you are not willing to acknowledge that I am concerned by antisemitism and sickened by the display I've seen on this thread. I think your animosity for conservatives is driving YOUR interpretation of me. And as far as the other Soros links? I don't follow him that much, but any discussion of him would be way off-topic, and I know you don't like that. Maybe a thread for another time. |
jsteele
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I understand your frustration with this poster (and I share it), but don't fall into her trap. Historically blacks and Jews were united in their struggle for civil rights. Does that mean that every black person and every Jewish person always supported one another? No, of course not. There have often been conflicts between these communities. But, the Jewish role in the civil rights struggle cannot be overlooked and deserves appreciation and respect. Divide and conquer is one of the most used and most successful strategies of all time. There are many who would love nothing more than to see rifts between Jews and blacks. At a time when both groups face increasing threats, it is more important than ever to not allow such a strategy to succeed. If Ward 8 is going to change in the ways that Trayon White wants it to change, it will require involvement of all sorts of people: white, Jewish, Muslim, and of course black. Don't fall into the trap of retreating to your corner and drawing lines between groups. |
Anonymous
Thank you again. (I want to make it clear that I'm not the only one representing this view.) And you're exactly right. We are not asking for a medal. But to be met with such hostility and prejudice from the very people for whom we have fought to help overcome hostility and prejudice is surreal. The most jaw-dropping example of that was when a poster made reference to "generic code" for Jews to lie! This is at the very core of racism, and to hear it propagated against Jews sickens me, especially coming from a black man. |
Anonymous
Let this thread serve as a lesson and warning the anti senetism is alive and well and we Jews cannot give anyone a pass— even ignoramuses like the anti Semitic poster in this thread. Jews need to stick up for other Jews and cannot allow this antisemetic crap to continue. We have worked very hard to make this country great, and we can’t allow people who know nothing of our history rewrite our history to benefit their own racial storyline— be it white or black or any other race. No one has a monopoly on suffering at the hands of racists, no one. Facts are facts. No matter how many times you tell a lie doesn’t make it true. If the pp doesn’t want to believe that Jews along with Blacks were the main proponents of civil rights back in the day, he is a victim of his own ignorance. No amount kid lying and blathering will change that fact. Best to not respond to that person’s bigotry any more. He ain’t worth it. |