Trump to gut ACA via executive order

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Really... you think the millionaire execs were only making this much because of ACA? I have an idea.. why don't you tell Trump and Rs to curb their pay and bring down the cost. Maybe that would help ALL Americans. What do you say to that? I'm all for it. You think Trump will go for it?

Before Obamacare: Health care execs made millions, and the lower middle class could afford a once-a-year vacation.

Under Obamacare: Health care execs still make millions, and the lower middle class can't afford a once-a-year vacation.

See the difference?

I doubt Trump will make things better, but it's weird that liberals can't understand that folks have good reason to be unhappy with their ridiculously crappy with their health care plans under Obamacare.

Are you f*n kidding me? Prior to ACA MILLIONS didn't have insurance. Seriously, what the hell do you think ACA was trying to address. The lower/middle class were being helped by the subsidies, but only if their governor accepted the medicaid expansion. And several red states didn't expand their medicaid program so their lower/middle income people couldn't afford the healthinsurance. Please tell me you knew this part.

I'll say it again: If someone needed to tighten their belt to pay for the poor, it should have been the rich health care execs, not the lower middle class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Really... you think the millionaire execs were only making this much because of ACA? I have an idea.. why don't you tell Trump and Rs to curb their pay and bring down the cost. Maybe that would help ALL Americans. What do you say to that? I'm all for it. You think Trump will go for it?

Before Obamacare: Health care execs made millions, and the lower middle class could afford a once-a-year vacation.

Under Obamacare: Health care execs still make millions, and the lower middle class can't afford a once-a-year vacation.

See the difference?

I doubt Trump will make things better, but it's weird that liberals can't understand that folks have good reason to be unhappy with their ridiculously crappy with their health care plans under Obamacare.

Are you f*n kidding me? Prior to ACA MILLIONS didn't have insurance. Seriously, what the hell do you think ACA was trying to address. The lower/middle class were being helped by the subsidies, but only if their governor accepted the medicaid expansion. And several red states didn't expand their medicaid program so their lower/middle income people couldn't afford the healthinsurance. Please tell me you knew this part.

I'll say it again: If someone needed to tighten their belt to pay for the poor, it should have been the rich health care execs, not the lower middle class.

And I'll say it again, who do you think will make the CEOs tighten their belt so that everyone could afford health insurance? HINT: it sure hell isn't Trump or the Rs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Really... you think the millionaire execs were only making this much because of ACA? I have an idea.. why don't you tell Trump and Rs to curb their pay and bring down the cost. Maybe that would help ALL Americans. What do you say to that? I'm all for it. You think Trump will go for it?

Before Obamacare: Health care execs made millions, and the lower middle class could afford a once-a-year vacation.

Under Obamacare: Health care execs still make millions, and the lower middle class can't afford a once-a-year vacation.

See the difference?

I doubt Trump will make things better, but it's weird that liberals can't understand that folks have good reason to be unhappy with their ridiculously crappy with their health care plans under Obamacare.

Are you f*n kidding me? Prior to ACA MILLIONS didn't have insurance. Seriously, what the hell do you think ACA was trying to address. The lower/middle class were being helped by the subsidies, but only if their governor accepted the medicaid expansion. And several red states didn't expand their medicaid program so their lower/middle income people couldn't afford the healthinsurance. Please tell me you knew this part.

I'll say it again: If someone needed to tighten their belt to pay for the poor, it should have been the rich health care execs, not the lower middle class.

I'll say it again: class warfare is pitting poor against the rich. No wonder everyone with any brains is offshoring.

You are owed nothing by the rich and as time goes on, you'll simply be lowering your requirements for the definition of rich to anyone who earns more than $40,000 a year. And then $30,000 a year. And so on.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that's a great thing. i want it to collapse.

It was poorly thought out and rammed through. It's been a disaster. No need to throw more money at it. Everywhere this type of government run healthcare is tried, it fails.

I hope that you have canceled your own health insurance since you say that you want others to lose theirs. I am sure that you want to lead by example.

Suddenly democrats love corporate welfare and want tax payers to subsidize insurance companies. Who knew!

[Anonymous]

FUN FACT: Obama ignore the Constitution by funding this subsidy.

ANOTHER FUN FACT: a Federal Court judge ruled against Obama saying it was Unconstitutional.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that's a great thing. i want it to collapse.

It was poorly thought out and rammed through. It's been a disaster. No need to throw more money at it. Everywhere this type of government run healthcare is tried, it fails.

I hope that you have canceled your own health insurance since you say that you want others to lose theirs. I am sure that you want to lead by example.

Suddenly democrats love corporate welfare and want tax payers to subsidize insurance companies. Who knew!

So, how will Trump fix it so that ALL Americans can afford healthcare? Your take on this is weird. I would love CEO pays to be curbed. Guess who has control over that? HINT: not a democrat

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
So, how will Trump fix it so that ALL Americans can afford healthcare? Your take on this is weird. I would love CEO pays to be curbed. Guess who has control over that? HINT: not a democrat

The only way to fix this is to gut Obamacare, Medicare and Medicaid altogether.

You give NO subsidies or tax breaks to any consumer or provider or company.

You let the whole thing float.

Then, as providers lose patients, they lower their costs. Going to be pretty painful when an MRI is sitting unused because of cost. Same with empty hospital beds, medical labor, etc. There has to be a feedback loop/mechanism from the patient that realistically prices medical care.

The more the government and bureaucrats distort prices, the worse things get. This will be a painful transition. But after a while, sanity re-enters the market. We do not have that today and haven't had it for several decades. The more Washington DC politicians do, the worse this will get, just like with most other things DC touches. The ivory towers have to collapse. Then, shit will get fixed.

You think many people will die in the above statements I have made? Wait until the full force of lowest common denominator health care really gets going; we're not quite there yet. You think things are bad now, just wait until health care is free!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FUN FACT: Obama ignore the Constitution by funding this subsidy.

ANOTHER FUN FACT: a Federal Court judge ruled against Obama saying it was Unconstitutional.

FUN FACT: ACA has been in existence for 17 years now, and the lawsuit went nowhere.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-obamacare-subsidies-court-ruling-20170801-story.html

"Twice, the administration and the House have told the court they want to defer the question while they tried to reach a legislative solution. The next court date is later this month.... In granting the motion, the judges wrote in a three-page ruling that the Department of Health and Human Services "nowhere argues in its intervention papers that it will adequately protect the States' interests or even continue to prosecute the appeal."

The judges also reasoned that states could be harmed if the cost-sharing payments were cut off because increased insurance prices could translate into more uninsured residents for whom state needed to provide health care, including at public hospitals"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FUN FACT: Obama ignore the Constitution by funding this subsidy.

ANOTHER FUN FACT: a Federal Court judge ruled against Obama saying it was Unconstitutional.

Lol. Suddenly Republicans care about the Constitution?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FUN FACT: Obama ignore the Constitution by funding this subsidy.

ANOTHER FUN FACT: a Federal Court judge ruled against Obama saying it was Unconstitutional.

Lol. Suddenly Republicans care about the Constitution?

I am telling you, they only care about the 2nd amendment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Really... you think the millionaire execs were only making this much because of ACA? I have an idea.. why don't you tell Trump and Rs to curb their pay and bring down the cost. Maybe that would help ALL Americans. What do you say to that? I'm all for it. You think Trump will go for it?

Before Obamacare: Health care execs made millions, and the lower middle class could afford a once-a-year vacation.

Under Obamacare: Health care execs still make millions, and the lower middle class can't afford a once-a-year vacation.

See the difference?

I doubt Trump will make things better, but it's weird that liberals can't understand that folks have good reason to be unhappy with their ridiculously crappy with their health care plans under Obamacare.

Are you f*n kidding me? Prior to ACA MILLIONS didn't have insurance. Seriously, what the hell do you think ACA was trying to address. The lower/middle class were being helped by the subsidies, but only if their governor accepted the medicaid expansion. And several red states didn't expand their medicaid program so their lower/middle income people couldn't afford the healthinsurance. Please tell me you knew this part.

I'll say it again: If someone needed to tighten their belt to pay for the poor, it should have been the rich health care execs, not the lower middle class.

And I'll say it again, who do you think will make the CEOs tighten their belt so that everyone could afford health insurance? HINT: it sure hell isn't Trump or the Rs.

Probably not. But we also know for sure it's not the Dems because they did otherwise. They actually had the opportunity, and they chose to screw over the lower middle class instead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Really... you think the millionaire execs were only making this much because of ACA? I have an idea.. why don't you tell Trump and Rs to curb their pay and bring down the cost. Maybe that would help ALL Americans. What do you say to that? I'm all for it. You think Trump will go for it?

Before Obamacare: Health care execs made millions, and the lower middle class could afford a once-a-year vacation.

Under Obamacare: Health care execs still make millions, and the lower middle class can't afford a once-a-year vacation.

See the difference?

I doubt Trump will make things better, but it's weird that liberals can't understand that folks have good reason to be unhappy with their ridiculously crappy with their health care plans under Obamacare.

Are you f*n kidding me? Prior to ACA MILLIONS didn't have insurance. Seriously, what the hell do you think ACA was trying to address. The lower/middle class were being helped by the subsidies, but only if their governor accepted the medicaid expansion. And several red states didn't expand their medicaid program so their lower/middle income people couldn't afford the healthinsurance. Please tell me you knew this part.

I'll say it again: If someone needed to tighten their belt to pay for the poor, it should have been the rich health care execs, not the lower middle class.

I'll say it again: class warfare is pitting poor against the rich. No wonder everyone with any brains is offshoring.

You are owed nothing by the rich and as time goes on, you'll simply be lowering your requirements for the definition of rich to anyone who earns more than $40,000 a year. And then $30,000 a year. And so on.

Sorry. If the rich live in America, they should have to pay up just like everyone else does.

Which country are you planning to move to where the rich don't have to pay into the system?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Really... you think the millionaire execs were only making this much because of ACA? I have an idea.. why don't you tell Trump and Rs to curb their pay and bring down the cost. Maybe that would help ALL Americans. What do you say to that? I'm all for it. You think Trump will go for it?

Before Obamacare: Health care execs made millions, and the lower middle class could afford a once-a-year vacation.

Under Obamacare: Health care execs still make millions, and the lower middle class can't afford a once-a-year vacation.

See the difference?

I doubt Trump will make things better, but it's weird that liberals can't understand that folks have good reason to be unhappy with their ridiculously crappy with their health care plans under Obamacare.

Are you f*n kidding me? Prior to ACA MILLIONS didn't have insurance. Seriously, what the hell do you think ACA was trying to address. The lower/middle class were being helped by the subsidies, but only if their governor accepted the medicaid expansion. And several red states didn't expand their medicaid program so their lower/middle income people couldn't afford the healthinsurance. Please tell me you knew this part.

I'll say it again: If someone needed to tighten their belt to pay for the poor, it should have been the rich health care execs, not the lower middle class.

And I'll say it again, who do you think will make the CEOs tighten their belt so that everyone could afford health insurance? HINT: it sure hell isn't Trump or the Rs.

Probably not. But we also know for sure it's not the Dems because they did otherwise. They actually had the opportunity, and they chose to screw over the lower middle class instead.

Dems voted for the subsidies. Rs fought against it. Dems wanted to cover millions of uninsured. Rs never put forth any alternative to do this. Who exactly was trying to screw over the lower/middle class in this scenario?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:



The only way to fix this is to gut Obamacare, Medicare and Medicaid altogether.

You give NO subsidies or tax breaks to any consumer or provider or company.

You let the whole thing float.

Then, as providers lose patients, they lower their costs. Going to be pretty painful when an MRI is sitting unused because of cost. Same with empty hospital beds, medical labor, etc. There has to be a feedback loop/mechanism from the patient that realistically prices medical care.

The more the government and bureaucrats distort prices, the worse things get. This will be a painful transition. But after a while, sanity re-enters the market. We do not have that today and haven't had it for several decades. The more Washington DC politicians do, the worse this will get, just like with most other things DC touches. The ivory towers have to collapse. Then, shit will get fixed.

You think many people will die in the above statements I have made? Wait until the full force of lowest common denominator health care really gets going; we're not quite there yet. You think things are bad now, just wait until health care is free!

Especially for the patient that needs the MRI but can't afford it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Really... you think the millionaire execs were only making this much because of ACA? I have an idea.. why don't you tell Trump and Rs to curb their pay and bring down the cost. Maybe that would help ALL Americans. What do you say to that? I'm all for it. You think Trump will go for it?

Before Obamacare: Health care execs made millions, and the lower middle class could afford a once-a-year vacation.

Under Obamacare: Health care execs still make millions, and the lower middle class can't afford a once-a-year vacation.

See the difference?

I doubt Trump will make things better, but it's weird that liberals can't understand that folks have good reason to be unhappy with their ridiculously crappy with their health care plans under Obamacare.

Are you f*n kidding me? Prior to ACA MILLIONS didn't have insurance. Seriously, what the hell do you think ACA was trying to address. The lower/middle class were being helped by the subsidies, but only if their governor accepted the medicaid expansion. And several red states didn't expand their medicaid program so their lower/middle income people couldn't afford the healthinsurance. Please tell me you knew this part.

I'll say it again: If someone needed to tighten their belt to pay for the poor, it should have been the rich health care execs, not the lower middle class.

And I'll say it again, who do you think will make the CEOs tighten their belt so that everyone could afford health insurance? HINT: it sure hell isn't Trump or the Rs.

Probably not. But we also know for sure it's not the Dems because they did otherwise. They actually had the opportunity, and they chose to screw over the lower middle class instead.

Dems voted for the subsidies. Rs fought against it. Dems wanted to cover millions of uninsured. Rs never put forth any alternative to do this. Who exactly was trying to screw over the lower/middle class in this scenario?

Obamacare is called Obamacare because it's Obama's health care plan. It was passed by Ds and Is in the Senate - no Rs. The Dems own it.