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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Summary of GD based on PPs (here and GFR thread):

Pros:

1. Tries to play possession / tiki-taka based game and to avoid kick and run.
2. Holds players accountable with immediate in-game feedback.
3. Encourages players to do extra training, is willing to spend extra time with interested players, and rewards players who show that commitment with more playing time.

Cons:
1. Feedback can be harsh, particularly for sensitive players (and parents).
2. Charges for extra sessions (as does every coach in the DMV), which creates at least an appearance of a conflict of interest for playing time decisions.
3. Doesn’t like women (not clear if this applies to moms, players, or both).

I disagree with this. He rage subs players who make a mistake and the in-game feedback consists of either beratement or ignoring the player, while trashing them to the rest of the team, nothing constructive.

So do all his players dislike playing on his teams and leave? Or do some of his players and parents like him, but he’s nevertheless a bad fit for others (perhaps those who are less capable and/or thinner skinned). It’s not like he’s been coaching first teams at a top club where players who are aiming for P4 can feel trapped at a particular club. If he’s truly objectively bad, and not just a bad fit for some, you’d expect to see mass departures of players. Did that happen at GFR?

Stop trying to apply logic to the conversation. People are either anti-VRSC in which case he’s a terrible abusive coach and everyone will leave, or pro-VRSC and he’s an experienced coach with something to offer.

I suggest everyone do their own research and form their own opinions.

Careful. Logic = crazy here too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Summary of GD based on PPs (here and GFR thread):

Pros:

1. Tries to play possession / tiki-taka based game and to avoid kick and run.
2. Holds players accountable with immediate in-game feedback.
3. Encourages players to do extra training, is willing to spend extra time with interested players, and rewards players who show that commitment with more playing time.

Cons:
1. Feedback can be harsh, particularly for sensitive players (and parents).
2. Charges for extra sessions (as does every coach in the DMV), which creates at least an appearance of a conflict of interest for playing time decisions.
3. Doesn’t like women (not clear if this applies to moms, players, or both).

I disagree with this. He rage subs players who make a mistake and the in-game feedback consists of either beratement or ignoring the player, while trashing them to the rest of the team, nothing constructive.

So do all his players dislike playing on his teams and leave? Or do some of his players and parents like him, but he’s nevertheless a bad fit for others (perhaps those who are less capable and/or thinner skinned). It’s not like he’s been coaching first teams at a top club where players who are aiming for P4 can feel trapped at a particular club. If he’s truly objectively bad, and not just a bad fit for some, you’d expect to see mass departures of players. Did that happen at GFR?

Yes, over 75% of his 09's have left over the last few years and that is the team he has had the longest at GFR. Others are still new enough to him or happy about winning to tolerate him. Also, he definitely plays favorites so if you're a favorite you're safer from the verbal abuse and might even find him funny (b/c it's teenaged girls who can often be inherently mean anyway)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Summary of GD based on PPs (here and GFR thread):

Pros:

1. Tries to play possession / tiki-taka based game and to avoid kick and run.
2. Holds players accountable with immediate in-game feedback.
3. Encourages players to do extra training, is willing to spend extra time with interested players, and rewards players who show that commitment with more playing time.

Cons:
1. Feedback can be harsh, particularly for sensitive players (and parents).
2. Charges for extra sessions (as does every coach in the DMV), which creates at least an appearance of a conflict of interest for playing time decisions.
3. Doesn’t like women (not clear if this applies to moms, players, or both).

I disagree with this. He rage subs players who make a mistake and the in-game feedback consists of either beratement or ignoring the player, while trashing them to the rest of the team, nothing constructive.

So do all his players dislike playing on his teams and leave? Or do some of his players and parents like him, but he’s nevertheless a bad fit for others (perhaps those who are less capable and/or thinner skinned). It’s not like he’s been coaching first teams at a top club where players who are aiming for P4 can feel trapped at a particular club. If he’s truly objectively bad, and not just a bad fit for some, you’d expect to see mass departures of players. Did that happen at GFR?

Yes, over 75% of his 09's have left over the last few years and that is the team he has had the longest at GFR. Others are still new enough to him or happy about winning to tolerate him. Also, he definitely plays favorites so if you're a favorite you're safer from the verbal abuse and might even find him funny (b/c it's teenaged girls who can often be inherently mean anyway)

09s appear to be GFR’s most successful team (outside ulittles).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Summary of GD based on PPs (here and GFR thread):

Pros:

1. Tries to play possession / tiki-taka based game and to avoid kick and run.
2. Holds players accountable with immediate in-game feedback.
3. Encourages players to do extra training, is willing to spend extra time with interested players, and rewards players who show that commitment with more playing time.

Cons:
1. Feedback can be harsh, particularly for sensitive players (and parents).
2. Charges for extra sessions (as does every coach in the DMV), which creates at least an appearance of a conflict of interest for playing time decisions.
3. Doesn’t like women (not clear if this applies to moms, players, or both).

I disagree with this. He rage subs players who make a mistake and the in-game feedback consists of either beratement or ignoring the player, while trashing them to the rest of the team, nothing constructive.

So do all his players dislike playing on his teams and leave? Or do some of his players and parents like him, but he’s nevertheless a bad fit for others (perhaps those who are less capable and/or thinner skinned). It’s not like he’s been coaching first teams at a top club where players who are aiming for P4 can feel trapped at a particular club. If he’s truly objectively bad, and not just a bad fit for some, you’d expect to see mass departures of players. Did that happen at GFR?

Yes, over 75% of his 09's have left over the last few years and that is the team he has had the longest at GFR. Others are still new enough to him or happy about winning to tolerate him. Also, he definitely plays favorites so if you're a favorite you're safer from the verbal abuse and might even find him funny (b/c it's teenaged girls who can often be inherently mean anyway)

09s appear to be GFR’s most successful team (outside ulittles).

Yep, but still not as strong as they once were. Very small roster and that's with lots of double rostered 2010's. A few of the girls that have been there for years remain, Gus's favorites and girls who don't care about playing in college...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Summary of GD based on PPs (here and GFR thread):

Pros:

1. Tries to play possession / tiki-taka based game and to avoid kick and run.
2. Holds players accountable with immediate in-game feedback.
3. Encourages players to do extra training, is willing to spend extra time with interested players, and rewards players who show that commitment with more playing time.

Cons:
1. Feedback can be harsh, particularly for sensitive players (and parents).
2. Charges for extra sessions (as does every coach in the DMV), which creates at least an appearance of a conflict of interest for playing time decisions.
3. Doesn’t like women (not clear if this applies to moms, players, or both).

I disagree with this. He rage subs players who make a mistake and the in-game feedback consists of either beratement or ignoring the player, while trashing them to the rest of the team, nothing constructive.

So do all his players dislike playing on his teams and leave? Or do some of his players and parents like him, but he’s nevertheless a bad fit for others (perhaps those who are less capable and/or thinner skinned). It’s not like he’s been coaching first teams at a top club where players who are aiming for P4 can feel trapped at a particular club. If he’s truly objectively bad, and not just a bad fit for some, you’d expect to see mass departures of players. Did that happen at GFR?

We'll know how many parents liked him by how many players follow him to VRSC. Playing time will be harder for the bloated rosters if GD is bringing his favorites with him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Summary of GD based on PPs (here and GFR thread):

Pros:

1. Tries to play possession / tiki-taka based game and to avoid kick and run.
2. Holds players accountable with immediate in-game feedback.
3. Encourages players to do extra training, is willing to spend extra time with interested players, and rewards players who show that commitment with more playing time.

Cons:
1. Feedback can be harsh, particularly for sensitive players (and parents).
2. Charges for extra sessions (as does every coach in the DMV), which creates at least an appearance of a conflict of interest for playing time decisions.
3. Doesn’t like women (not clear if this applies to moms, players, or both).

I disagree with this. He rage subs players who make a mistake and the in-game feedback consists of either beratement or ignoring the player, while trashing them to the rest of the team, nothing constructive.

So do all his players dislike playing on his teams and leave? Or do some of his players and parents like him, but he’s nevertheless a bad fit for others (perhaps those who are less capable and/or thinner skinned). It’s not like he’s been coaching first teams at a top club where players who are aiming for P4 can feel trapped at a particular club. If he’s truly objectively bad, and not just a bad fit for some, you’d expect to see mass departures of players. Did that happen at GFR?

We'll know how many parents liked him by how many players follow him to VRSC. Playing time will be harder for the bloated rosters if GD is bringing his favorites with him.

Any idea which teams he’ll coach at VRSC? PP said he’s taking 2013s from MJ this spring. Is he also taking MJ’s 2011s? Looks like GD has GFR’s 2011s, wonder if any would follow mid-season.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Summary of GD based on PPs (here and GFR thread):

Pros:

1. Tries to play possession / tiki-taka based game and to avoid kick and run.
2. Holds players accountable with immediate in-game feedback.
3. Encourages players to do extra training, is willing to spend extra time with interested players, and rewards players who show that commitment with more playing time.

Cons:
1. Feedback can be harsh, particularly for sensitive players (and parents).
2. Charges for extra sessions (as does every coach in the DMV), which creates at least an appearance of a conflict of interest for playing time decisions.
3. Doesn’t like women (not clear if this applies to moms, players, or both).

I disagree with this. He rage subs players who make a mistake and the in-game feedback consists of either beratement or ignoring the player, while trashing them to the rest of the team, nothing constructive.

So do all his players dislike playing on his teams and leave? Or do some of his players and parents like him, but he’s nevertheless a bad fit for others (perhaps those who are less capable and/or thinner skinned). It’s not like he’s been coaching first teams at a top club where players who are aiming for P4 can feel trapped at a particular club. If he’s truly objectively bad, and not just a bad fit for some, you’d expect to see mass departures of players. Did that happen at GFR?

We'll know how many parents liked him by how many players follow him to VRSC. Playing time will be harder for the bloated rosters if GD is bringing his favorites with him.

Any idea which teams he’ll coach at VRSC? PP said he’s taking 2013s from MJ this spring. Is he also taking MJ’s 2011s? Looks like GD has GFR’s 2011s, wonder if any would follow mid-season.

yes, he has some loyal 2011's who will no doubt follow him to VRSC. the rest of us will be celebrating him leaving GFR and glad he's someone else's problem now!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Summary of GD based on PPs (here and GFR thread):

Pros:

1. Tries to play possession / tiki-taka based game and to avoid kick and run.
2. Holds players accountable with immediate in-game feedback.
3. Encourages players to do extra training, is willing to spend extra time with interested players, and rewards players who show that commitment with more playing time.

Cons:
1. Feedback can be harsh, particularly for sensitive players (and parents).
2. Charges for extra sessions (as does every coach in the DMV), which creates at least an appearance of a conflict of interest for playing time decisions.
3. Doesn’t like women (not clear if this applies to moms, players, or both).

I disagree with this. He rage subs players who make a mistake and the in-game feedback consists of either beratement or ignoring the player, while trashing them to the rest of the team, nothing constructive.

So do all his players dislike playing on his teams and leave? Or do some of his players and parents like him, but he’s nevertheless a bad fit for others (perhaps those who are less capable and/or thinner skinned). It’s not like he’s been coaching first teams at a top club where players who are aiming for P4 can feel trapped at a particular club. If he’s truly objectively bad, and not just a bad fit for some, you’d expect to see mass departures of players. Did that happen at GFR?

We'll know how many parents liked him by how many players follow him to VRSC. Playing time will be harder for the bloated rosters if GD is bringing his favorites with him.

Any idea which teams he’ll coach at VRSC? PP said he’s taking 2013s from MJ this spring. Is he also taking MJ’s 2011s? Looks like GD has GFR’s 2011s, wonder if any would follow mid-season.

yes, he has some loyal 2011's who will no doubt follow him to VRSC. the rest of us will be celebrating him leaving GFR and glad he's someone else's problem now!

Then it sounds like he was a resource to some and a problem to others. Why people stick with a coach who isn’t a good fit for them is beyond me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Summary of GD based on PPs (here and GFR thread):

Pros:

1. Tries to play possession / tiki-taka based game and to avoid kick and run.
2. Holds players accountable with immediate in-game feedback.
3. Encourages players to do extra training, is willing to spend extra time with interested players, and rewards players who show that commitment with more playing time.

Cons:
1. Feedback can be harsh, particularly for sensitive players (and parents).
2. Charges for extra sessions (as does every coach in the DMV), which creates at least an appearance of a conflict of interest for playing time decisions.
3. Doesn’t like women (not clear if this applies to moms, players, or both).

I disagree with this. He rage subs players who make a mistake and the in-game feedback consists of either beratement or ignoring the player, while trashing them to the rest of the team, nothing constructive.

So do all his players dislike playing on his teams and leave? Or do some of his players and parents like him, but he’s nevertheless a bad fit for others (perhaps those who are less capable and/or thinner skinned). It’s not like he’s been coaching first teams at a top club where players who are aiming for P4 can feel trapped at a particular club. If he’s truly objectively bad, and not just a bad fit for some, you’d expect to see mass departures of players. Did that happen at GFR?

We'll know how many parents liked him by how many players follow him to VRSC. Playing time will be harder for the bloated rosters if GD is bringing his favorites with him.

Any idea which teams he’ll coach at VRSC? PP said he’s taking 2013s from MJ this spring. Is he also taking MJ’s 2011s? Looks like GD has GFR’s 2011s, wonder if any would follow mid-season.

yes, he has some loyal 2011's who will no doubt follow him to VRSC. the rest of us will be celebrating him leaving GFR and glad he's someone else's problem now!

Seems crazy for Rev to replace a GA coach mid-season but not let the teams know a week before practices resume.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Summary of GD based on PPs (here and GFR thread):

Pros:

1. Tries to play possession / tiki-taka based game and to avoid kick and run.
2. Holds players accountable with immediate in-game feedback.
3. Encourages players to do extra training, is willing to spend extra time with interested players, and rewards players who show that commitment with more playing time.

Cons:
1. Feedback can be harsh, particularly for sensitive players (and parents).
2. Charges for extra sessions (as does every coach in the DMV), which creates at least an appearance of a conflict of interest for playing time decisions.
3. Doesn’t like women (not clear if this applies to moms, players, or both).

I disagree with this. He rage subs players who make a mistake and the in-game feedback consists of either beratement or ignoring the player, while trashing them to the rest of the team, nothing constructive.

So do all his players dislike playing on his teams and leave? Or do some of his players and parents like him, but he’s nevertheless a bad fit for others (perhaps those who are less capable and/or thinner skinned). It’s not like he’s been coaching first teams at a top club where players who are aiming for P4 can feel trapped at a particular club. If he’s truly objectively bad, and not just a bad fit for some, you’d expect to see mass departures of players. Did that happen at GFR?

We'll know how many parents liked him by how many players follow him to VRSC. Playing time will be harder for the bloated rosters if GD is bringing his favorites with him.

Any idea which teams he’ll coach at VRSC? PP said he’s taking 2013s from MJ this spring. Is he also taking MJ’s 2011s? Looks like GD has GFR’s 2011s, wonder if any would follow mid-season.

yes, he has some loyal 2011's who will no doubt follow him to VRSC. the rest of us will be celebrating him leaving GFR and glad he's someone else's problem now!

Then it sounds like he was a resource to some and a problem to others. Why people stick with a coach who isn’t a good fit for them is beyond me.

Someone who doesn't want to move clubs for logistical reasons and/or hopes that the coach will be replaced at some point. For some girls their priority is to play with friends/classmates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Summary of GD based on PPs (here and GFR thread):

Pros:

1. Tries to play possession / tiki-taka based game and to avoid kick and run.
2. Holds players accountable with immediate in-game feedback.
3. Encourages players to do extra training, is willing to spend extra time with interested players, and rewards players who show that commitment with more playing time.

Cons:
1. Feedback can be harsh, particularly for sensitive players (and parents).
2. Charges for extra sessions (as does every coach in the DMV), which creates at least an appearance of a conflict of interest for playing time decisions.
3. Doesn’t like women (not clear if this applies to moms, players, or both).

I disagree with this. He rage subs players who make a mistake and the in-game feedback consists of either beratement or ignoring the player, while trashing them to the rest of the team, nothing constructive.

So do all his players dislike playing on his teams and leave? Or do some of his players and parents like him, but he’s nevertheless a bad fit for others (perhaps those who are less capable and/or thinner skinned). It’s not like he’s been coaching first teams at a top club where players who are aiming for P4 can feel trapped at a particular club. If he’s truly objectively bad, and not just a bad fit for some, you’d expect to see mass departures of players. Did that happen at GFR?

We'll know how many parents liked him by how many players follow him to VRSC. Playing time will be harder for the bloated rosters if GD is bringing his favorites with him.

Any idea which teams he’ll coach at VRSC? PP said he’s taking 2013s from MJ this spring. Is he also taking MJ’s 2011s? Looks like GD has GFR’s 2011s, wonder if any would follow mid-season.

yes, he has some loyal 2011's who will no doubt follow him to VRSC. the rest of us will be celebrating him leaving GFR and glad he's someone else's problem now!

Then it sounds like he was a resource to some and a problem to others. Why people stick with a coach who isn’t a good fit for them is beyond me.

Someone who doesn't want to move clubs for logistical reasons and/or hopes that the coach will be replaced at some point. For some girls their priority is to play with friends/classmates.

Well then I can see why such a coach would not be a good fit for such a player or such parents. Doesn’t make any of them good or bad, they just have inconsistent priorities. I tend to blame the club, as that seems like a pretty obvious mismatch in a RL context. It will be interesting to see if he is a better fit with VRSC’s GA parents and players, some of whom, based on the posts here, also do not seem to be particularly serious about soccer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Summary of GD based on PPs (here and GFR thread):

Pros:

1. Tries to play possession / tiki-taka based game and to avoid kick and run.
2. Holds players accountable with immediate in-game feedback.
3. Encourages players to do extra training, is willing to spend extra time with interested players, and rewards players who show that commitment with more playing time.

Cons:
1. Feedback can be harsh, particularly for sensitive players (and parents).
2. Charges for extra sessions (as does every coach in the DMV), which creates at least an appearance of a conflict of interest for playing time decisions.
3. Doesn’t like women (not clear if this applies to moms, players, or both).

I disagree with this. He rage subs players who make a mistake and the in-game feedback consists of either beratement or ignoring the player, while trashing them to the rest of the team, nothing constructive.

So do all his players dislike playing on his teams and leave? Or do some of his players and parents like him, but he’s nevertheless a bad fit for others (perhaps those who are less capable and/or thinner skinned). It’s not like he’s been coaching first teams at a top club where players who are aiming for P4 can feel trapped at a particular club. If he’s truly objectively bad, and not just a bad fit for some, you’d expect to see mass departures of players. Did that happen at GFR?

We'll know how many parents liked him by how many players follow him to VRSC. Playing time will be harder for the bloated rosters if GD is bringing his favorites with him.

Any idea which teams he’ll coach at VRSC? PP said he’s taking 2013s from MJ this spring. Is he also taking MJ’s 2011s? Looks like GD has GFR’s 2011s, wonder if any would follow mid-season.

yes, he has some loyal 2011's who will no doubt follow him to VRSC. the rest of us will be celebrating him leaving GFR and glad he's someone else's problem now!

Then it sounds like he was a resource to some and a problem to others. Why people stick with a coach who isn’t a good fit for them is beyond me.

Someone who doesn't want to move clubs for logistical reasons and/or hopes that the coach will be replaced at some point. For some girls their priority is to play with friends/classmates.

Well then I can see why such a coach would not be a good fit for such a player or such parents. Doesn’t make any of them good or bad, they just have inconsistent priorities. I tend to blame the club, as that seems like a pretty obvious mismatch in a RL context. It will be interesting to see if he is a better fit with VRSC’s GA parents and players, some of whom, based on the posts here, also do not seem to be particularly serious about soccer.

Well, GFR is the first time I'm aware of he coached at the RL level so it was definitely a mismatch. RP hired him and then the club just kind of got stuck with him from what I've seen.

[Anonymous]

FWIW, there is a lot of VRSC / GD discussion on the GFR thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Summary of GD based on PPs (here and GFR thread):

Pros:

1. Tries to play possession / tiki-taka based game and to avoid kick and run.
2. Holds players accountable with immediate in-game feedback.
3. Encourages players to do extra training, is willing to spend extra time with interested players, and rewards players who show that commitment with more playing time.

Cons:
1. Feedback can be harsh, particularly for sensitive players (and parents).
2. Charges for extra sessions (as does every coach in the DMV), which creates at least an appearance of a conflict of interest for playing time decisions.
3. Doesn’t like women (not clear if this applies to moms, players, or both).

I disagree with this. He rage subs players who make a mistake and the in-game feedback consists of either beratement or ignoring the player, while trashing them to the rest of the team, nothing constructive.

So do all his players dislike playing on his teams and leave? Or do some of his players and parents like him, but he’s nevertheless a bad fit for others (perhaps those who are less capable and/or thinner skinned). It’s not like he’s been coaching first teams at a top club where players who are aiming for P4 can feel trapped at a particular club. If he’s truly objectively bad, and not just a bad fit for some, you’d expect to see mass departures of players. Did that happen at GFR?

We'll know how many parents liked him by how many players follow him to VRSC. Playing time will be harder for the bloated rosters if GD is bringing his favorites with him.

Any idea which teams he’ll coach at VRSC? PP said he’s taking 2013s from MJ this spring. Is he also taking MJ’s 2011s? Looks like GD has GFR’s 2011s, wonder if any would follow mid-season.

He has 4 teams now. He must be coaching at least 2 at VRSC.

[Anonymous]

Why was the VRSC coach fired?