Maybe it would be a good thing if Trump limited international students at t100 schools?

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that Harvard and other US universities can do more to accept domestic students, but it should not be by force. Vote with your feet. if you think that Harvard is not serving your purpose, apply to other schools. Sooner or later, Harvard will self correct. But bullying to get what you want is not the way to go. n

I'll say this about Trump - his political instincts are uncanny. When you dig down into the issue - should taxpayers be spending billions on supporting the richest and most prestigious university in America, a university where more than a third of students are foreign and which has a well-established pattern of propagating fringe progressive beliefs, or should we take that money and support trade schools for young Americans, I can guarantee that 90 percent of Americans are with Trump on this one. I suspect's Harvard's strategy will be to keep things tied up in court forever and wait out this administration and hope for a more Harvard-friendly president who will turn the tap back on. But the way it's being framed - as a class issue - this is a losing issue for Democrats to push back on. I think Harvard and the other schools where more than a third of students are international are on their own.

Not at all surprising that a Trump admirer would think Harvard research is unnecessary but the government should pay for welders and plumbers.

Not a Trump admirer but I don't think all those research dollars are going to the Dana Farber Institute. There's a lot of graduate level research in pretty fringe fields. I'm not sure I think a multi-year grand to study the neurobiology of learning is going to change modern life compared to, say, a microwave. Universities spend a lot on patenting their research outcome. Maybe the revenue from successful patents should be shared with the Fed.
But given the fact that universities rely on government funding instead of revenue from their patents, there's not a lot of accountability going on compared to say the research that goes on in the private sector (GE, P&G, J&J, Pharma, etc..)
There are a lot of post-grads in post-grad hell. They rely on grants to keep going and cannot spin out into the private sector at all (e.g. sample list above). That is why the competition in post-graduate level academia is so fierce over paltry amounts.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree that Harvard and other US universities can do more to accept domestic students, but it should not be by force. Vote with your feet. if you think that Harvard is not serving your purpose, apply to other schools. Sooner or later, Harvard will self correct. But bullying to get what you want is not the way to go. n

I'll say this about Trump - his political instincts are uncanny. When you dig down into the issue - should taxpayers be spending billions on supporting the richest and most prestigious university in America, a university where more than a third of students are foreign and which has a well-established pattern of propagating fringe progressive beliefs, or should we take that money and support trade schools for young Americans, I can guarantee that 90 percent of Americans are with Trump on this one. I suspect's Harvard's strategy will be to keep things tied up in court forever and wait out this administration and hope for a more Harvard-friendly president who will turn the tap back on. But the way it's being framed - as a class issue - this is a losing issue for Democrats to push back on. I think Harvard and the other schools where more than a third of students are international are on their own.

Not at all surprising that a Trump admirer would think Harvard research is unnecessary but the government should pay for welders and plumbers.

Not a Trump admirer but I don't think all those research dollars are going to the Dana Farber Institute. There's a lot of graduate level research in pretty fringe fields. I'm not sure I think a multi-year grand to study the neurobiology of learning is going to change modern life compared to, say, a microwave. Universities spend a lot on patenting their research outcome. Maybe the revenue from successful patents should be shared with the Fed.
But given the fact that universities rely on government funding instead of revenue from their patents, there's not a lot of accountability going on compared to say the research that goes on in the private sector (GE, P&G, J&J, Pharma, etc..)
There are a lot of post-grads in post-grad hell. They rely on grants to keep going and cannot spin out into the private sector at all (e.g. sample list above). That is why the competition in post-graduate level academia is so fierce over paltry amounts.

Dude, you know NOTHING about research, much less about research at a university such as Harvard. Private sector relies heavily on the government for research too. We ALL benefit from this.

You're either a troll or too dumb to keep talking to if you think a microwave is more important than cancer research.

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Anonymous wrote:A big MAGA talking point is that foreigners are taking US jobs. It's true - you try getting a job in the Silicon Valley. That is where I'm from, my family lived there until recently but it is literally impossible to compete with H1B visa holders - and now their kids and friends. Even in areas that you don't need tech skills - like marketing - you can't compete. And then competing with foreign students to get into college - there are less spaces for Americans, so there is less opportunity for them and it's a downward spiral.

The universities don't need billions saved in endowments. They can afford to not take foreign money from students.

Sounds like you want a form of socialism where the government dictates how private organizations are run.

Fwiw I also used to work in the Bay Area. I'm also an American.

It’s absolutely true that foreigners with H1Bs visas have taken over the tech industry in this country. Everyone who works in tech knows this.

Once one Indian gets into a company it soon becomes overtaken by them, they are hiring Indians only.

This!!!!

I never thought I'd be one to-day- get them out!! They are literally taking American jobs - mine and my husband's. DH and I are both citizens - H1B folks aren't!

Yes, we should pay less qualified Americans way more to do the same job because that's the patriotic thing to do.

I'm actually equally qualified, unless you mean a penis is part of the qualification. And yes we should employ qualified AMERICANS here, rather than foreigners.

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It could be argued that the international students are part of why the schools are highly ranked.

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Its the same thing as public county schools. It's not the schools that make it a good or bad school. It's the students at the schools.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A big MAGA talking point is that foreigners are taking US jobs. It's true - you try getting a job in the Silicon Valley. That is where I'm from, my family lived there until recently but it is literally impossible to compete with H1B visa holders - and now their kids and friends. Even in areas that you don't need tech skills - like marketing - you can't compete. And then competing with foreign students to get into college - there are less spaces for Americans, so there is less opportunity for them and it's a downward spiral.

The universities don't need billions saved in endowments. They can afford to not take foreign money from students.

Sounds like you want a form of socialism where the government dictates how private organizations are run.

Fwiw I also used to work in the Bay Area. I'm also an American.

It’s absolutely true that foreigners with H1Bs visas have taken over the tech industry in this country. Everyone who works in tech knows this.

Once one Indian gets into a company it soon becomes overtaken by them, they are hiring Indians only.

This!!!!

I never thought I'd be one to-day- get them out!! They are literally taking American jobs - mine and my husband's. DH and I are both citizens - H1B folks aren't!

Yes, we should pay less qualified Americans way more to do the same job because that's the patriotic thing to do.

I'm actually equally qualified, unless you mean a penis is part of the qualification. And yes we should employ qualified AMERICANS here, rather than foreigners.

No, I don't think that. Do you think a penis is a disqualifying attribute? We should employ the best in the field regardless of where they come from. It's probably hard to admit that someone was better at your job, but such is life.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A big MAGA talking point is that foreigners are taking US jobs. It's true - you try getting a job in the Silicon Valley. That is where I'm from, my family lived there until recently but it is literally impossible to compete with H1B visa holders - and now their kids and friends. Even in areas that you don't need tech skills - like marketing - you can't compete. And then competing with foreign students to get into college - there are less spaces for Americans, so there is less opportunity for them and it's a downward spiral.

The universities don't need billions saved in endowments. They can afford to not take foreign money from students.

Sounds like you want a form of socialism where the government dictates how private organizations are run.

Fwiw I also used to work in the Bay Area. I'm also an American.

It’s absolutely true that foreigners with H1Bs visas have taken over the tech industry in this country. Everyone who works in tech knows this.

Once one Indian gets into a company it soon becomes overtaken by them, they are hiring Indians only.

This!!!!

I never thought I'd be one to-day- get them out!! They are literally taking American jobs - mine and my husband's. DH and I are both citizens - H1B folks aren't!

Then your complaint is with the program that facilitates this - a program created by GOP lobbyists on behalf of the big tech companies owned by GOP billionaires. Taking it out on Harvard and students who are playing by the current rules is woefully misplaced.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree that Harvard and other US universities can do more to accept domestic students, but it should not be by force. Vote with your feet. if you think that Harvard is not serving your purpose, apply to other schools. Sooner or later, Harvard will self correct. But bullying to get what you want is not the way to go. n

I'll say this about Trump - his political instincts are uncanny. When you dig down into the issue - should taxpayers be spending billions on supporting the richest and most prestigious university in America, a university where more than a third of students are foreign and which has a well-established pattern of propagating fringe progressive beliefs, or should we take that money and support trade schools for young Americans, I can guarantee that 90 percent of Americans are with Trump on this one. I suspect's Harvard's strategy will be to keep things tied up in court forever and wait out this administration and hope for a more Harvard-friendly president who will turn the tap back on. But the way it's being framed - as a class issue - this is a losing issue for Democrats to push back on. I think Harvard and the other schools where more than a third of students are international are on their own.

Not at all surprising that a Trump admirer would think Harvard research is unnecessary but the government should pay for welders and plumbers.

Not a Trump admirer but I don't think all those research dollars are going to the Dana Farber Institute. There's a lot of graduate level research in pretty fringe fields. I'm not sure I think a multi-year grand to study the neurobiology of learning is going to change modern life compared to, say, a microwave. Universities spend a lot on patenting their research outcome. Maybe the revenue from successful patents should be shared with the Fed.
But given the fact that universities rely on government funding instead of revenue from their patents, there's not a lot of accountability going on compared to say the research that goes on in the private sector (GE, P&G, J&J, Pharma, etc..)
There are a lot of post-grads in post-grad hell. They rely on grants to keep going and cannot spin out into the private sector at all (e.g. sample list above). That is why the competition in post-graduate level academia is so fierce over paltry amounts.

It is amazing how one can think there is so much ignorance and then read a post like this and embrace that it wasn't meant to be funny.

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He just proposed capping Harvard international students at 15% down from 31%. Why not?

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Anonymous wrote:He just proposed capping Harvard international students at 15% down from 31%. Why not?

Look MAGA scum it’s not the role of the executive branch to muck in the business of independent organizations. Go back to your incel sites.

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't it be a good thing if the top US schools educated and prepared more US students? Is what's happening at harvard a blessing in disguise?

Maybe the government should limit the number of international students at all top schools. Getting in and the cost of attending is just too much.

NO!
-Left leaning moderate who does not want the government dictating every decision!

Then stop grabbing our tax dollars!

Tax dollars that pay for research to cure cancer or Alzheimers. Are you pro-cancer?

The ignorance of the PPs on here and Americans in general on how federal dollar support research that benefits everyone is depressing. Absolutely awful.

Has anyone with experience and credentials written an opinion piece for newspapers about the value of federal dollars for medical and scientific research at U.S. universities to explain how it works and benefits our society? The people who need to read it probably won’t but there’s a real lack of understanding because of all the disinformation.

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Anonymous wrote:He just proposed capping Harvard international students at 15% down from 31%. Why not?

I'd be good with this, really would be the best and the brightest then.

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Yeah this thread is depressing, might as well ban fire and move back to the caves Don't even want to imagine what peasants are "thinking" about govt research funding after their daily Fox "News" slop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A big MAGA talking point is that foreigners are taking US jobs. It's true - you try getting a job in the Silicon Valley. That is where I'm from, my family lived there until recently but it is literally impossible to compete with H1B visa holders - and now their kids and friends. Even in areas that you don't need tech skills - like marketing - you can't compete. And then competing with foreign students to get into college - there are less spaces for Americans, so there is less opportunity for them and it's a downward spiral.

The universities don't need billions saved in endowments. They can afford to not take foreign money from students.

Sounds like you want a form of socialism where the government dictates how private organizations are run.

Fwiw I also used to work in the Bay Area. I'm also an American.

It’s absolutely true that foreigners with H1Bs visas have taken over the tech industry in this country. Everyone who works in tech knows this.

Once one Indian gets into a company it soon becomes overtaken by them, they are hiring Indians only.

This!!!!

I never thought I'd be one to-day- get them out!! They are literally taking American jobs - mine and my husband's. DH and I are both citizens - H1B folks aren't!

Yes, we should pay less qualified Americans way more to do the same job because that's the patriotic thing to do.

I'm actually equally qualified, unless you mean a penis is part of the qualification. And yes we should employ qualified AMERICANS here, rather than foreigners.

No, I don't think that. Do you think a penis is a disqualifying attribute? We should employ the best in the field regardless of where they come from. It's probably hard to admit that someone was better at your job, but such is life.

The reason why we bring on so many sexist pricks in my company is that they are cheap AF.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree that Harvard and other US universities can do more to accept domestic students, but it should not be by force. Vote with your feet. if you think that Harvard is not serving your purpose, apply to other schools. Sooner or later, Harvard will self correct. But bullying to get what you want is not the way to go. n

I'll say this about Trump - his political instincts are uncanny. When you dig down into the issue - should taxpayers be spending billions on supporting the richest and most prestigious university in America, a university where more than a third of students are foreign and which has a well-established pattern of propagating fringe progressive beliefs, or should we take that money and support trade schools for young Americans, I can guarantee that 90 percent of Americans are with Trump on this one. I suspect's Harvard's strategy will be to keep things tied up in court forever and wait out this administration and hope for a more Harvard-friendly president who will turn the tap back on. But the way it's being framed - as a class issue - this is a losing issue for Democrats to push back on. I think Harvard and the other schools where more than a third of students are international are on their own.

Not at all surprising that a Trump admirer would think Harvard research is unnecessary but the government should pay for welders and plumbers.

Not a Trump admirer but I don't think all those research dollars are going to the Dana Farber Institute. There's a lot of graduate level research in pretty fringe fields. I'm not sure I think a multi-year grand to study the neurobiology of learning is going to change modern life compared to, say, a microwave. Universities spend a lot on patenting their research outcome. Maybe the revenue from successful patents should be shared with the Fed.
But given the fact that universities rely on government funding instead of revenue from their patents, there's not a lot of accountability going on compared to say the research that goes on in the private sector (GE, P&G, J&J, Pharma, etc..)
There are a lot of post-grads in post-grad hell. They rely on grants to keep going and cannot spin out into the private sector at all (e.g. sample list above). That is why the competition in post-graduate level academia is so fierce over paltry amounts.

Dude, you know NOTHING about research, much less about research at a university such as Harvard. Private sector relies heavily on the government for research too. We ALL benefit from this.

You're either a troll or too dumb to keep talking to if you think a microwave is more important than cancer research.

Lot's of people on one particular side of this try to insult people into silence. It's very interesting to watch...