Maybe it would be a good thing if Trump limited international students at t100 schools?

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Anonymous wrote:He just proposed capping Harvard international students at 15% down from 31%. Why not?

I’m MAGA and I think this is horrible. I want SMALLER government, not the POTUS micromanaging private universities.

This won’t make America great again.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that Harvard and other US universities can do more to accept domestic students, but it should not be by force. Vote with your feet. if you think that Harvard is not serving your purpose, apply to other schools. Sooner or later, Harvard will self correct. But bullying to get what you want is not the way to go. n

I'll say this about Trump - his political instincts are uncanny. When you dig down into the issue - should taxpayers be spending billions on supporting the richest and most prestigious university in America, a university where more than a third of students are foreign and which has a well-established pattern of propagating fringe progressive beliefs, or should we take that money and support trade schools for young Americans, I can guarantee that 90 percent of Americans are with Trump on this one. I suspect's Harvard's strategy will be to keep things tied up in court forever and wait out this administration and hope for a more Harvard-friendly president who will turn the tap back on. But the way it's being framed - as a class issue - this is a losing issue for Democrats to push back on. I think Harvard and the other schools where more than a third of students are international are on their own.

Not at all surprising that a Trump admirer would think Harvard research is unnecessary but the government should pay for welders and plumbers.

Not a Trump admirer but I don't think all those research dollars are going to the Dana Farber Institute. There's a lot of graduate level research in pretty fringe fields. I'm not sure I think a multi-year grand to study the neurobiology of learning is going to change modern life compared to, say, a microwave. Universities spend a lot on patenting their research outcome. Maybe the revenue from successful patents should be shared with the Fed.
But given the fact that universities rely on government funding instead of revenue from their patents, there's not a lot of accountability going on compared to say the research that goes on in the private sector (GE, P&G, J&J, Pharma, etc..)
There are a lot of post-grads in post-grad hell. They rely on grants to keep going and cannot spin out into the private sector at all (e.g. sample list above). That is why the competition in post-graduate level academia is so fierce over paltry amounts.

Dude, you know NOTHING about research, much less about research at a university such as Harvard. Private sector relies heavily on the government for research too. We ALL benefit from this.

You're either a troll or too dumb to keep talking to if you think a microwave is more important than cancer research.

Lot's of people on one particular side of this try to insult people into silence. It's very interesting to watch...

And the other side continues to churn out fake narratives left and right.

Interesting indeed.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that Harvard and other US universities can do more to accept domestic students, but it should not be by force. Vote with your feet. if you think that Harvard is not serving your purpose, apply to other schools. Sooner or later, Harvard will self correct. But bullying to get what you want is not the way to go. n

I'll say this about Trump - his political instincts are uncanny. When you dig down into the issue - should taxpayers be spending billions on supporting the richest and most prestigious university in America, a university where more than a third of students are foreign and which has a well-established pattern of propagating fringe progressive beliefs, or should we take that money and support trade schools for young Americans, I can guarantee that 90 percent of Americans are with Trump on this one. I suspect's Harvard's strategy will be to keep things tied up in court forever and wait out this administration and hope for a more Harvard-friendly president who will turn the tap back on. But the way it's being framed - as a class issue - this is a losing issue for Democrats to push back on. I think Harvard and the other schools where more than a third of students are international are on their own.

Not at all surprising that a Trump admirer would think Harvard research is unnecessary but the government should pay for welders and plumbers.

Not a Trump admirer but I don't think all those research dollars are going to the Dana Farber Institute. There's a lot of graduate level research in pretty fringe fields. I'm not sure I think a multi-year grand to study the neurobiology of learning is going to change modern life compared to, say, a microwave. Universities spend a lot on patenting their research outcome. Maybe the revenue from successful patents should be shared with the Fed.
But given the fact that universities rely on government funding instead of revenue from their patents, there's not a lot of accountability going on compared to say the research that goes on in the private sector (GE, P&G, J&J, Pharma, etc..)
There are a lot of post-grads in post-grad hell. They rely on grants to keep going and cannot spin out into the private sector at all (e.g. sample list above). That is why the competition in post-graduate level academia is so fierce over paltry amounts.

Dude, you know NOTHING about research, much less about research at a university such as Harvard. Private sector relies heavily on the government for research too. We ALL benefit from this.

You're either a troll or too dumb to keep talking to if you think a microwave is more important than cancer research.

Lot's of people on one particular side of this try to insult people into silence. It's very interesting to watch...

I would be so happy if people like you left the conversation about why medical research is not necessary, since you are clearly highly unqualified to render your opinion.

When I am asked about nuclear physics, or any number of subjects I haven't taken the time to learn about, I bow out. It's not my place to bleat on about these things.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that Harvard and other US universities can do more to accept domestic students, but it should not be by force. Vote with your feet. if you think that Harvard is not serving your purpose, apply to other schools. Sooner or later, Harvard will self correct. But bullying to get what you want is not the way to go. n

I'll say this about Trump - his political instincts are uncanny. When you dig down into the issue - should taxpayers be spending billions on supporting the richest and most prestigious university in America, a university where more than a third of students are foreign and which has a well-established pattern of propagating fringe progressive beliefs, or should we take that money and support trade schools for young Americans, I can guarantee that 90 percent of Americans are with Trump on this one. I suspect's Harvard's strategy will be to keep things tied up in court forever and wait out this administration and hope for a more Harvard-friendly president who will turn the tap back on. But the way it's being framed - as a class issue - this is a losing issue for Democrats to push back on. I think Harvard and the other schools where more than a third of students are international are on their own.

Not at all surprising that a Trump admirer would think Harvard research is unnecessary but the government should pay for welders and plumbers.

X100 and the reality is this money will NEVER make it to the trades. They’ll take it and use it for more tax breaks, more grift. While they take away unions and then women’s health care, so these men are working 60 hours a week with no benefits and 4 kids at home. If they’re lucky their wife won’t die in childbirth.

So many people not thinking this $$$ making scheme through. Trump has said over and over again he wants to return to the golden age of America, or the gilded ages. Remember before weekends were “invented.”

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Definitely should cap international enrollment.

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Anonymous wrote:Definitely should cap international enrollment.

OK troll

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't it be a good thing if the top US schools educated and prepared more US students? Is what's happening at harvard a blessing in disguise?

Maybe the government should limit the number of international students at all top schools. Getting in and the cost of attending is just too much.

NO!
-Left leaning moderate who does not want the government dictating every decision!

Then stop grabbing our tax dollars!

Tax dollars that pay for research to cure cancer or Alzheimers. Are you pro-cancer?

The ignorance of the PPs on here and Americans in general on how federal dollar support research that benefits everyone is depressing. Absolutely awful.

Has anyone with experience and credentials written an opinion piece for newspapers about the value of federal dollars for medical and scientific research at U.S. universities to explain how it works and benefits our society? The people who need to read it probably won’t but there’s a real lack of understanding because of all the disinformation.

Yes, there have been many articles, but like you said, the people who need to read it, won't.

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Anonymous wrote:He just proposed capping Harvard international students at 15% down from 31%. Why not?

I'd be good with this, really would be the best and the brightest then.

So you are good with a president dictating enrollment caps for private schools? How about public schools? How about what you can and cannot purchase? And the list goes on.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that Harvard and other US universities can do more to accept domestic students, but it should not be by force. Vote with your feet. if you think that Harvard is not serving your purpose, apply to other schools. Sooner or later, Harvard will self correct. But bullying to get what you want is not the way to go. n

I'll say this about Trump - his political instincts are uncanny. When you dig down into the issue - should taxpayers be spending billions on supporting the richest and most prestigious university in America, a university where more than a third of students are foreign and which has a well-established pattern of propagating fringe progressive beliefs, or should we take that money and support trade schools for young Americans, I can guarantee that 90 percent of Americans are with Trump on this one. I suspect's Harvard's strategy will be to keep things tied up in court forever and wait out this administration and hope for a more Harvard-friendly president who will turn the tap back on. But the way it's being framed - as a class issue - this is a losing issue for Democrats to push back on. I think Harvard and the other schools where more than a third of students are international are on their own.

Not at all surprising that a Trump admirer would think Harvard research is unnecessary but the government should pay for welders and plumbers.

Not a Trump admirer but I don't think all those research dollars are going to the Dana Farber Institute. There's a lot of graduate level research in pretty fringe fields. I'm not sure I think a multi-year grand to study the neurobiology of learning is going to change modern life compared to, say, a microwave. Universities spend a lot on patenting their research outcome. Maybe the revenue from successful patents should be shared with the Fed.
But given the fact that universities rely on government funding instead of revenue from their patents, there's not a lot of accountability going on compared to say the research that goes on in the private sector (GE, P&G, J&J, Pharma, etc..)
There are a lot of post-grads in post-grad hell. They rely on grants to keep going and cannot spin out into the private sector at all (e.g. sample list above). That is why the competition in post-graduate level academia is so fierce over paltry amounts.

Dude, you know NOTHING about research, much less about research at a university such as Harvard. Private sector relies heavily on the government for research too. We ALL benefit from this.

You're either a troll or too dumb to keep talking to if you think a microwave is more important than cancer research.

Lot's of people on one particular side of this try to insult people into silence. It's very interesting to watch...

Its not about insulting people into silence. It is about being astounded at the ignorance of people who 1) don't understand higher education 2) don't understand federal finding for research 3) don't understand the benefits of that research for the national interest and 4) don't underastand that a president is not a king.

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Anonymous wrote:A big MAGA talking point is that foreigners are taking US jobs. It's true - you try getting a job in the Silicon Valley. That is where I'm from, my family lived there until recently but it is literally impossible to compete with H1B visa holders - and now their kids and friends. Even in areas that you don't need tech skills - like marketing - you can't compete. And then competing with foreign students to get into college - there are less spaces for Americans, so there is less opportunity for them and it's a downward spiral.

The universities don't need billions saved in endowments. They can afford to not take foreign money from students.

Sounds like you want a form of socialism where the government dictates how private organizations are run.

Fwiw I also used to work in the Bay Area. I'm also an American.

It’s absolutely true that foreigners with H1Bs visas have taken over the tech industry in this country. Everyone who works in tech knows this.

Once one Indian gets into a company it soon becomes overtaken by them, they are hiring Indians only.

This!!!!

I never thought I'd be one to-day- get them out!! They are literally taking American jobs - mine and my husband's. DH and I are both citizens - H1B folks aren't!

Yes, we should pay less qualified Americans way more to do the same job because that's the patriotic thing to do.

I'm actually equally qualified, unless you mean a penis is part of the qualification. And yes we should employ qualified AMERICANS here, rather than foreigners.

No, I don't think that. Do you think a penis is a disqualifying attribute? We should employ the best in the field regardless of where they come from. It's probably hard to admit that someone was better at your job, but such is life.

We have internal rankings and I know mine are above 80% of those in my job. I also know I graduated summa cum laude and HE did not. Our universities are equivalent. So the conclusion I draw is that it's because he's male and Indian and so is the hiring manager.

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Anonymous wrote:A big MAGA talking point is that foreigners are taking US jobs. It's true - you try getting a job in the Silicon Valley. That is where I'm from, my family lived there until recently but it is literally impossible to compete with H1B visa holders - and now their kids and friends. Even in areas that you don't need tech skills - like marketing - you can't compete. And then competing with foreign students to get into college - there are less spaces for Americans, so there is less opportunity for them and it's a downward spiral.

The universities don't need billions saved in endowments. They can afford to not take foreign money from students.

Sounds like you want a form of socialism where the government dictates how private organizations are run.

Fwiw I also used to work in the Bay Area. I'm also an American.

It’s absolutely true that foreigners with H1Bs visas have taken over the tech industry in this country. Everyone who works in tech knows this.

Once one Indian gets into a company it soon becomes overtaken by them, they are hiring Indians only.

This!!!!

I never thought I'd be one to-day- get them out!! They are literally taking American jobs - mine and my husband's. DH and I are both citizens - H1B folks aren't!

Yes, we should pay less qualified Americans way more to do the same job because that's the patriotic thing to do.

I'm actually equally qualified, unless you mean a penis is part of the qualification. And yes we should employ qualified AMERICANS here, rather than foreigners.

No, I don't think that. Do you think a penis is a disqualifying attribute? We should employ the best in the field regardless of where they come from. It's probably hard to admit that someone was better at your job, but such is life.

We have internal rankings and I know mine are above 80% of those in my job. I also know I graduated summa cum laude and HE did not. Our universities are equivalent. So the conclusion I draw is that it's because he's male and Indian and so is the hiring manager.

Me again. And in the internal ranking system he was "average" (50th percentile). But yeah you bring up a good point - getting rid of DEI makes it more subjective to hire men over women or whites over other colors. I'm not white either.

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Yes, there should not be more than 10% International students. I would say 5% at any school. I would say that this is especially true for schools that receive Federal funding through grants, research, or even any type of other type of funding for the state. Schools believe that our country has problems with people not getting into enough school because there's too many students going to that we should start off with the International students

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Anonymous wrote:A big MAGA talking point is that foreigners are taking US jobs. It's true - you try getting a job in the Silicon Valley. That is where I'm from, my family lived there until recently but it is literally impossible to compete with H1B visa holders - and now their kids and friends. Even in areas that you don't need tech skills - like marketing - you can't compete. And then competing with foreign students to get into college - there are less spaces for Americans, so there is less opportunity for them and it's a downward spiral.

The universities don't need billions saved in endowments. They can afford to not take foreign money from students.

Sounds like you want a form of socialism where the government dictates how private organizations are run.

Fwiw I also used to work in the Bay Area. I'm also an American.

It’s absolutely true that foreigners with H1Bs visas have taken over the tech industry in this country. Everyone who works in tech knows this.

Once one Indian gets into a company it soon becomes overtaken by them, they are hiring Indians only.

This!!!!

I never thought I'd be one to-day- get them out!! They are literally taking American jobs - mine and my husband's. DH and I are both citizens - H1B folks aren't!

Yes, we should pay less qualified Americans way more to do the same job because that's the patriotic thing to do.

I'm actually equally qualified, unless you mean a penis is part of the qualification. And yes we should employ qualified AMERICANS here, rather than foreigners.

No, I don't think that. Do you think a penis is a disqualifying attribute? We should employ the best in the field regardless of where they come from. It's probably hard to admit that someone was better at your job, but such is life.

We have internal rankings and I know mine are above 80% of those in my job. I also know I graduated summa cum laude and HE did not. Our universities are equivalent. So the conclusion I draw is that it's because he's male and Indian and so is the hiring manager.

Me again. And in the internal ranking system he was "average" (50th percentile). But yeah you bring up a good point - getting rid of DEI makes it more subjective to hire men over women or whites over other colors. I'm not white either.

Look I have no idea what happened in your case, but it's hardly a case for "we should only hire Americans."

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, there should not be more than 10% International students. I would say 5% at any school. I would say that this is especially true for schools that receive Federal funding through grants, research, or even any type of other type of funding for the state. Schools believe that our country has problems with people not getting into enough school because there's too many students going to that we should start off with the International students

Oh look! Another troll who can't read.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that Harvard and other US universities can do more to accept domestic students, but it should not be by force. Vote with your feet. if you think that Harvard is not serving your purpose, apply to other schools. Sooner or later, Harvard will self correct. But bullying to get what you want is not the way to go. n

I'll say this about Trump - his political instincts are uncanny. When you dig down into the issue - should taxpayers be spending billions on supporting the richest and most prestigious university in America, a university where more than a third of students are foreign and which has a well-established pattern of propagating fringe progressive beliefs, or should we take that money and support trade schools for young Americans, I can guarantee that 90 percent of Americans are with Trump on this one. I suspect's Harvard's strategy will be to keep things tied up in court forever and wait out this administration and hope for a more Harvard-friendly president who will turn the tap back on. But the way it's being framed - as a class issue - this is a losing issue for Democrats to push back on. I think Harvard and the other schools where more than a third of students are international are on their own.

Not at all surprising that a Trump admirer would think Harvard research is unnecessary but the government should pay for welders and plumbers.

Not a Trump admirer but I don't think all those research dollars are going to the Dana Farber Institute. There's a lot of graduate level research in pretty fringe fields. I'm not sure I think a multi-year grand to study the neurobiology of learning is going to change modern life compared to, say, a microwave. Universities spend a lot on patenting their research outcome. Maybe the revenue from successful patents should be shared with the Fed.
But given the fact that universities rely on government funding instead of revenue from their patents, there's not a lot of accountability going on compared to say the research that goes on in the private sector (GE, P&G, J&J, Pharma, etc..)
There are a lot of post-grads in post-grad hell. They rely on grants to keep going and cannot spin out into the private sector at all (e.g. sample list above). That is why the competition in post-graduate level academia is so fierce over paltry amounts.

Dude, you know NOTHING about research, much less about research at a university such as Harvard. Private sector relies heavily on the government for research too. We ALL benefit from this.

You're either a troll or too dumb to keep talking to if you think a microwave is more important than cancer research.

The point is, not all the research money is going towards direct cancer research. But it's easier to use that as an argument to keep the gravy train rolling.
I have researcher neighbors at an Ivy and my children's classmates are also researchers there. It's a constant cycle of writing for grant money where most of the effort is the writing for grant money. They cannot pivot to the private sector but are languishing in post-doc positions that they need to justify as more younger candidates continue to join the department every year.
Accountability is a normal procedure in the private sector.