Maybe it would be a good thing if Trump limited international students at t100 schools?

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that Harvard and other US universities can do more to accept domestic students, but it should not be by force. Vote with your feet. if you think that Harvard is not serving your purpose, apply to other schools. Sooner or later, Harvard will self correct. But bullying to get what you want is not the way to go. n

I'll say this about Trump - his political instincts are uncanny. When you dig down into the issue - should taxpayers be spending billions on supporting the richest and most prestigious university in America, a university where more than a third of students are foreign and which has a well-established pattern of propagating fringe progressive beliefs, or should we take that money and support trade schools for young Americans, I can guarantee that 90 percent of Americans are with Trump on this one. I suspect's Harvard's strategy will be to keep things tied up in court forever and wait out this administration and hope for a more Harvard-friendly president who will turn the tap back on. But the way it's being framed - as a class issue - this is a losing issue for Democrats to push back on. I think Harvard and the other schools where more than a third of students are international are on their own.

I’m sure there’s an argument to be had over what level of foreign students is okay but it sounds like there’s a lot of grievance behind this comment. If Harvard wasn’t ‘propagating fringe progressive beliefs’ would you be okay with foreign students? No, I didn’t think so.

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Universities like Oxford and Cambridge attract the best and brightest from all over the world because they are seen as a pinnacle for excellence and learning. Cambridge has had 125 noble prize winners. That would not have happened if they only admitted British students.

Harvard has had 160 Nobel Prize winners. Would you rather Harvard took that physics genius from Malaysia or Bulgaria who might be the next Nobel Prize winner or the bright kid from Dakota who has great scores but would otherwise miss out?

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't it be a good thing if the top US schools educated and prepared more US students? Is what's happening at harvard a blessing in disguise?

Maybe the government should limit the number of international students at all top schools. Getting in and the cost of attending is just too much.

No. Not in any way.

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Anonymous wrote: Trump needs to watch the movie Oppenheimer and learn how the “ father of the atomic bomb” learnt quantum physics as an international student in Europe instead of staying in America since they actually knew it. He later staffed the Manhattan projects scientist posts with Jewish refugees from Europe who worked at top US colleges.

International student programs HELP us, it ensues us access to world class knowledge and minds.

That was back at a time when Europe was ravaged by war and the persecuted sought refuge in peaceful lands.
WWIII isn't going on right now but all these students want to come to the US and find a way to stay. I worked with several of these who were desperate for an HB1 Visa. And I can't say their skills are quite at the level of Manhattan project. These are run of the mill masters degrees in architecture and real estate.

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Anonymous wrote:Universities like Oxford and Cambridge attract the best and brightest from all over the world because they are seen as a pinnacle for excellence and learning. Cambridge has had 125 noble prize winners. That would not have happened if they only admitted British students.

Harvard has had 160 Nobel Prize winners. Would you rather Harvard took that physics genius from Malaysia or Bulgaria who might be the next Nobel Prize winner or the bright kid from Dakota who has great scores but would otherwise miss out?

That's graduate level studies.
Undergraduate is the problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree that Harvard and other US universities can do more to accept domestic students, but it should not be by force. Vote with your feet. if you think that Harvard is not serving your purpose, apply to other schools. Sooner or later, Harvard will self correct. But bullying to get what you want is not the way to go. n

I'll say this about Trump - his political instincts are uncanny. When you dig down into the issue - should taxpayers be spending billions on supporting the richest and most prestigious university in America, a university where more than a third of students are foreign and which has a well-established pattern of propagating fringe progressive beliefs, or should we take that money and support trade schools for young Americans, I can guarantee that 90 percent of Americans are with Trump on this one. I suspect's Harvard's strategy will be to keep things tied up in court forever and wait out this administration and hope for a more Harvard-friendly president who will turn the tap back on. But the way it's being framed - as a class issue - this is a losing issue for Democrats to push back on. I think Harvard and the other schools where more than a third of students are international are on their own.

Not at all surprising that a Trump admirer would think Harvard research is unnecessary but the government should pay for welders and plumbers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree that Harvard and other US universities can do more to accept domestic students, but it should not be by force. Vote with your feet. if you think that Harvard is not serving your purpose, apply to other schools. Sooner or later, Harvard will self correct. But bullying to get what you want is not the way to go. n

I'll say this about Trump - his political instincts are uncanny. When you dig down into the issue - should taxpayers be spending billions on supporting the richest and most prestigious university in America, a university where more than a third of students are foreign and which has a well-established pattern of propagating fringe progressive beliefs, or should we take that money and support trade schools for young Americans, I can guarantee that 90 percent of Americans are with Trump on this one. I suspect's Harvard's strategy will be to keep things tied up in court forever and wait out this administration and hope for a more Harvard-friendly president who will turn the tap back on. But the way it's being framed - as a class issue - this is a losing issue for Democrats to push back on. I think Harvard and the other schools where more than a third of students are international are on their own.

Except that those dollars are supporting research. You are a sucker like everyone else. Trump takes bits of reality and twists them to suit his always negative narrative to play on our worst biases and nature. He exposes what a-holes most people are. They know he's lying, but they LIKE his lies. It's disgusting.

Enjoy the new world order of less peace, less prosperity, fewer innovations, poorer healthcare etc. You all earned it with your ignorance and pettiness. Ugh.

x1 billion

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Anonymous wrote:for all the people saying this is a good thing and it will open up spaces for American born kids...have you all checked the GOP House bill and what it does for lower, middle and upper middle class pathways to college?

But if your kid is some middle of the road rando from an upper class family things are looking up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree that Harvard and other US universities can do more to accept domestic students, but it should not be by force. Vote with your feet. if you think that Harvard is not serving your purpose, apply to other schools. Sooner or later, Harvard will self correct. But bullying to get what you want is not the way to go. n

I'll say this about Trump - his political instincts are uncanny. When you dig down into the issue - should taxpayers be spending billions on supporting the richest and most prestigious university in America, a university where more than a third of students are foreign and which has a well-established pattern of propagating fringe progressive beliefs, or should we take that money and support trade schools for young Americans, I can guarantee that 90 percent of Americans are with Trump on this one. I suspect's Harvard's strategy will be to keep things tied up in court forever and wait out this administration and hope for a more Harvard-friendly president who will turn the tap back on. But the way it's being framed - as a class issue - this is a losing issue for Democrats to push back on. I think Harvard and the other schools where more than a third of students are international are on their own.

Doubtful once the smoke clears and the nonsensical misstatements like yours above are batted down. That said these schools are tone deaf and really need to start practicing common sense in their approach to student misbehavior.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Universities like Oxford and Cambridge attract the best and brightest from all over the world because they are seen as a pinnacle for excellence and learning. Cambridge has had 125 noble prize winners. That would not have happened if they only admitted British students.

Harvard has had 160 Nobel Prize winners. Would you rather Harvard took that physics genius from Malaysia or Bulgaria who might be the next Nobel Prize winner or the bright kid from Dakota who has great scores but would otherwise miss out?

For undergrad work the answer is Dakota. That was easy and the majority of the population would agree. For grad school it’s the reverse. Pretty much what happens today though I would be supportive of capping international admissions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:for all the people saying this is a good thing and it will open up spaces for American born kids...have you all checked the GOP House bill and what it does for lower, middle and upper middle class pathways to college?

But if your kid is some middle of the road rando from an upper class family things are looking up.

Unless everyone gets overexcited and more people apply, leading to a lower acceptance rate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree that Harvard and other US universities can do more to accept domestic students, but it should not be by force. Vote with your feet. if you think that Harvard is not serving your purpose, apply to other schools. Sooner or later, Harvard will self correct. But bullying to get what you want is not the way to go. n

I'll say this about Trump - his political instincts are uncanny. When you dig down into the issue - should taxpayers be spending billions on supporting the richest and most prestigious university in America, a university where more than a third of students are foreign and which has a well-established pattern of propagating fringe progressive beliefs, or should we take that money and support trade schools for young Americans, I can guarantee that 90 percent of Americans are with Trump on this one. I suspect's Harvard's strategy will be to keep things tied up in court forever and wait out this administration and hope for a more Harvard-friendly president who will turn the tap back on. But the way it's being framed - as a class issue - this is a losing issue for Democrats to push back on. I think Harvard and the other schools where more than a third of students are international are on their own.

I’m sure there’s an argument to be had over what level of foreign students is okay but it sounds like there’s a lot of grievance behind this comment. If Harvard wasn’t ‘propagating fringe progressive beliefs’ would you be okay with foreign students? No, I didn’t think so.

DP

I don't like trump but I'm with him on this one!!

I lost my job to a student turned H1B visa non citizen - I think because he's male and I'm in a sexist industry. Yes, I'm passed and I could do the job better. I graduated summa cum laude from a less prestigious university than Harvard, but probably the equivalent to UT Austin which is where this guy went.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A big MAGA talking point is that foreigners are taking US jobs. It's true - you try getting a job in the Silicon Valley. That is where I'm from, my family lived there until recently but it is literally impossible to compete with H1B visa holders - and now their kids and friends. Even in areas that you don't need tech skills - like marketing - you can't compete. And then competing with foreign students to get into college - there are less spaces for Americans, so there is less opportunity for them and it's a downward spiral.

The universities don't need billions saved in endowments. They can afford to not take foreign money from students.

Sounds like you want a form of socialism where the government dictates how private organizations are run.

Fwiw I also used to work in the Bay Area. I'm also an American.

It’s absolutely true that foreigners with H1Bs visas have taken over the tech industry in this country. Everyone who works in tech knows this.

Once one Indian gets into a company it soon becomes overtaken by them, they are hiring Indians only.

This!!!!

I never thought I'd be one to-day- get them out!! They are literally taking American jobs - mine and my husband's. DH and I are both citizens - H1B folks aren't!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A big MAGA talking point is that foreigners are taking US jobs. It's true - you try getting a job in the Silicon Valley. That is where I'm from, my family lived there until recently but it is literally impossible to compete with H1B visa holders - and now their kids and friends. Even in areas that you don't need tech skills - like marketing - you can't compete. And then competing with foreign students to get into college - there are less spaces for Americans, so there is less opportunity for them and it's a downward spiral.

The universities don't need billions saved in endowments. They can afford to not take foreign money from students.

Sounds like you want a form of socialism where the government dictates how private organizations are run.

Fwiw I also used to work in the Bay Area. I'm also an American.

It’s absolutely true that foreigners with H1Bs visas have taken over the tech industry in this country. Everyone who works in tech knows this.

Once one Indian gets into a company it soon becomes overtaken by them, they are hiring Indians only.

This!!!!

I never thought I'd be one to-day- get them out!! They are literally taking American jobs - mine and my husband's. DH and I are both citizens - H1B folks aren't!

Oh and the Indian folks they hire are super sexist, so even worse for American women of all colors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A big MAGA talking point is that foreigners are taking US jobs. It's true - you try getting a job in the Silicon Valley. That is where I'm from, my family lived there until recently but it is literally impossible to compete with H1B visa holders - and now their kids and friends. Even in areas that you don't need tech skills - like marketing - you can't compete. And then competing with foreign students to get into college - there are less spaces for Americans, so there is less opportunity for them and it's a downward spiral.

The universities don't need billions saved in endowments. They can afford to not take foreign money from students.

Sounds like you want a form of socialism where the government dictates how private organizations are run.

Fwiw I also used to work in the Bay Area. I'm also an American.

It’s absolutely true that foreigners with H1Bs visas have taken over the tech industry in this country. Everyone who works in tech knows this.

Once one Indian gets into a company it soon becomes overtaken by them, they are hiring Indians only.

This!!!!

I never thought I'd be one to-day- get them out!! They are literally taking American jobs - mine and my husband's. DH and I are both citizens - H1B folks aren't!

Yes, we should pay less qualified Americans way more to do the same job because that's the patriotic thing to do.