NYT: Profound increase in black voters who support Trump

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I didn’t read this thread, but I’m black and definitely not voting for Biden, even if that means trump. I voted for biden the first time, but the general elitism, and pandering to race relations and social justice, the lack of account ability for the border issue, and the whole defund the police ethos of Biden / Kamala is a nonstarter for me at this point.

Lastly, this whole obsession with January 6th, which essentially amounted to a riot but is being played off as an armed rebellion with bloodshed and death, gives me the creeps. When it occurred, I figured ok, arrest all those guys for trespassing, breaking windows, etc., but to treat it as if a bunch of basement dwelling men who were unarmed were actually attempting and had a legitimate shot at overthrowing the US government, the US military, etc is just absurd to me. Biden has openly said on camera that an AR-15 is worthless for fighting against a tyrannical government because they have tanks, helicopters, etc, but yet he is claiming that a bunch of unarmed Q-anon-esque crazies almost overthrew the entire US government and military. It just doesn’t make sense, and is clearly an attempt to keep trump from running. It sets a bad precedent — the voters can decide who they want, and we don’t need the “adults in the room” making that decision for us.

Hopefully we can get back to sane politics so I don’t have to vote for trump, but I can’t sit by and vote according to how you all want me to vote just due to my skin color.

*cue the insults and accusations of me being a MAGA republican despite the fact that I am a 45 year old black accountant from Bowie MD who voted for Gore, Obama, and Biden.

I'm having a hard time believing this post. Most black people have never said defund the police, nor has the White House, yet you claim this is Biden's stance? Yes, the border is a major problem, but guess what - it has been a problem under every single administration and Congress does not have the political will to fix it.

I could actually understand if you are a republican, but your examples are bullsh*t. Jan 6 was about our democracy. It was about our institutions. You should be worried no matter which party you support.

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats need to stop worrying about blacks voters voting for Trump and instead focus on why people don't want to vote for Biden. The list is long: age, immigration, support for Israel, policies regarding sexual identity, homelessness, access to healthcare, housing, CRIME, etc. People living in urban areas really have a lot to grapple with and fear mongering them to not vote for Trump is not going to work this time. And it has everything to do with believing that Democrats won't deliver on these issues and less to do with believing Trump will solve these problems (we know he won't).

So how is any of that somehow a big decision point item?

Age - Trump is almost as old as Biden and in worse physical and mental shape

Immigration - Trump doesn't have any legitimate working solutions either

Support for Israel - Trump was buddy-buddy with Bibi Netanyahu

Sexual identity - what do you think Trump is going to do? Maybe mock people over their sexual identity, but certainly won't have any kind of coherent policy

Homelessness - The GOP doesn't give a single crap about the homeless

Access to healthcare - from the Republicans who take massive donations from big pharma and the health insurance industry, they want to kill medicare, defund NIH and medical research, make you leave the state in order to get a medically necessary abortion even when your life is in danger, get rid of vaccines and all kinds of crazy shit.

Housing - Republicans have ZERO solutions on housing and are propped up by real estate speculators who've caused the cost of housing to spike
Crime - Republicans don't have any answers on crime, just more of the same old failed war on drugs, mass incarceration of blacks, more racial profiling, and everything else

There's no fear mongering needed. This is their actual track record. This is reality. This is fact.

You wanna be mad that Democrats haven't done enough to fix any of this - but Republicans are the ones breaking everything and making it so that it needs to be fixed in the first place.

Pardon me for expecting the man I voted for in 2020 to actual fix some of the problems that concern some of his constituents. Didn't Biden promise to clean up this mess? In some instances he's doing the same thing Trump did and has made other things worse.

Do you understand how government works? He can not do much -even many- of what you want without Congress. And the House can’t even keep a Leader. So. . . Why is this on Biden?

Actually, Biden has done a tremendous amount through executive orders and has stretched decades-old laws to assert he has the authority. The problem is that those executive orders don't necessarily align with what the average American wants.

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats need to stop worrying about blacks voters voting for Trump and instead focus on why people don't want to vote for Biden. The list is long: age, immigration, support for Israel, policies regarding sexual identity, homelessness, access to healthcare, housing, CRIME, etc. People living in urban areas really have a lot to grapple with and fear mongering them to not vote for Trump is not going to work this time. And it has everything to do with believing that Democrats won't deliver on these issues and less to do with believing Trump will solve these problems (we know he won't).

So how is any of that somehow a big decision point item?

Age - Trump is almost as old as Biden and in worse physical and mental shape

Immigration - Trump doesn't have any legitimate working solutions either

Support for Israel - Trump was buddy-buddy with Bibi Netanyahu

Sexual identity - what do you think Trump is going to do? Maybe mock people over their sexual identity, but certainly won't have any kind of coherent policy

Homelessness - The GOP doesn't give a single crap about the homeless

Access to healthcare - from the Republicans who take massive donations from big pharma and the health insurance industry, they want to kill medicare, defund NIH and medical research, make you leave the state in order to get a medically necessary abortion even when your life is in danger, get rid of vaccines and all kinds of crazy shit.

Housing - Republicans have ZERO solutions on housing and are propped up by real estate speculators who've caused the cost of housing to spike
Crime - Republicans don't have any answers on crime, just more of the same old failed war on drugs, mass incarceration of blacks, more racial profiling, and everything else

There's no fear mongering needed. This is their actual track record. This is reality. This is fact.

You wanna be mad that Democrats haven't done enough to fix any of this - but Republicans are the ones breaking everything and making it so that it needs to be fixed in the first place.

Pardon me for expecting the man I voted for in 2020 to actual fix some of the problems that concern some of his constituents. Didn't Biden promise to clean up this mess? In some instances he's doing the same thing Trump did and has made other things worse.

Do you understand how government works? He can not do much -even many- of what you want without Congress. And the House can’t even keep a Leader. So. . . Why is this on Biden?

Actually, Biden has done a tremendous amount through executive orders and has stretched decades-old laws to assert he has the authority. The problem is that those executive orders don't necessarily align with what the average American wants.

Like which ones?

I’m also curious what you think Trump did that was so great?

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats need to stop worrying about blacks voters voting for Trump and instead focus on why people don't want to vote for Biden. The list is long: age, immigration, support for Israel, policies regarding sexual identity, homelessness, access to healthcare, housing, CRIME, etc. People living in urban areas really have a lot to grapple with and fear mongering them to not vote for Trump is not going to work this time. And it has everything to do with believing that Democrats won't deliver on these issues and less to do with believing Trump will solve these problems (we know he won't).

So how is any of that somehow a big decision point item?

Age - Trump is almost as old as Biden and in worse physical and mental shape

Immigration - Trump doesn't have any legitimate working solutions either

Support for Israel - Trump was buddy-buddy with Bibi Netanyahu

Sexual identity - what do you think Trump is going to do? Maybe mock people over their sexual identity, but certainly won't have any kind of coherent policy

Homelessness - The GOP doesn't give a single crap about the homeless

Access to healthcare - from the Republicans who take massive donations from big pharma and the health insurance industry, they want to kill medicare, defund NIH and medical research, make you leave the state in order to get a medically necessary abortion even when your life is in danger, get rid of vaccines and all kinds of crazy shit.

Housing - Republicans have ZERO solutions on housing and are propped up by real estate speculators who've caused the cost of housing to spike
Crime - Republicans don't have any answers on crime, just more of the same old failed war on drugs, mass incarceration of blacks, more racial profiling, and everything else

There's no fear mongering needed. This is their actual track record. This is reality. This is fact.

You wanna be mad that Democrats haven't done enough to fix any of this - but Republicans are the ones breaking everything and making it so that it needs to be fixed in the first place.

Pardon me for expecting the man I voted for in 2020 to actual fix some of the problems that concern some of his constituents. Didn't Biden promise to clean up this mess? In some instances he's doing the same thing Trump did and has made other things worse.

Do you understand how government works? He can not do much -even many- of what you want without Congress. And the House can’t even keep a Leader. So. . . Why is this on Biden?

I hope you understand that you were lead to this conclusion because that's how a lot of black voters feel - why vote (for Biden) when he "can't do much" because his hands are tied. It's seems like an exercise in futility.

Care to explain again? This is nonsensical. Seriously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I actually love this. Just goes to show that people regardless of color, religion or ethnicity are not a monolithic group. Stop stereotyping and putting people in boxed in categories.

Who are you directing the is too? Or are you just putting out there what you are categorizing?

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats need to stop worrying about blacks voters voting for Trump and instead focus on why people don't want to vote for Biden. The list is long: age, immigration, support for Israel, policies regarding sexual identity, homelessness, access to healthcare, housing, CRIME, etc. People living in urban areas really have a lot to grapple with and fear mongering them to not vote for Trump is not going to work this time. And it has everything to do with believing that Democrats won't deliver on these issues and less to do with believing Trump will solve these problems (we know he won't).

So how is any of that somehow a big decision point item?

Age - Trump is almost as old as Biden and in worse physical and mental shape

Immigration - Trump doesn't have any legitimate working solutions either

Support for Israel - Trump was buddy-buddy with Bibi Netanyahu

Sexual identity - what do you think Trump is going to do? Maybe mock people over their sexual identity, but certainly won't have any kind of coherent policy

Homelessness - The GOP doesn't give a single crap about the homeless

Access to healthcare - from the Republicans who take massive donations from big pharma and the health insurance industry, they want to kill medicare, defund NIH and medical research, make you leave the state in order to get a medically necessary abortion even when your life is in danger, get rid of vaccines and all kinds of crazy shit.

Housing - Republicans have ZERO solutions on housing and are propped up by real estate speculators who've caused the cost of housing to spike
Crime - Republicans don't have any answers on crime, just more of the same old failed war on drugs, mass incarceration of blacks, more racial profiling, and everything else

There's no fear mongering needed. This is their actual track record. This is reality. This is fact.

You wanna be mad that Democrats haven't done enough to fix any of this - but Republicans are the ones breaking everything and making it so that it needs to be fixed in the first place.

Pardon me for expecting the man I voted for in 2020 to actual fix some of the problems that concern some of his constituents. Didn't Biden promise to clean up this mess? In some instances he's doing the same thing Trump did and has made other things worse.

That’s ridiculous.

Which part is ridiculous?

Blaming the President for not magically making all your dreams come true when almost every other government, public, and private institution in the country is controlled by obstructionists. Biden is doing as much as any President can do on the issues you complain about.

+1000

Biden was handed a shit sandwich of a broken economy by Trump, and a country ravaged by over a million dead from COVID, broken supply chain, massive debt with nothing to show for it, more than 75% of Americans living paycheck to paycheck, and turned America around to where unemployment dropped back down to record lows including for African-Americans, made much needed investments in American infrastructure and industry, IN SPITE of a completely dysfunctional GOP-run House of Representatives.

Unemployment depends on how you count it. If people just retire and you stop counting them, then of course you're going to have low unemployment rates.

What exactly would you like the House to do? Just keep passing spending bills of every social program and handout you want because "you want"? Well F no. Your whole outlook on budgets is screwed up. You think everyone is owed by the tax payer. They aren't. Half the country doesn' even pay any income taxes b/c of a HIGHLY progressive tax system (more progressive than many countries in Europe BTW), and your democrat party champions importing even more poverty from central and south America. Why? Becausd it makes you feel better I guess. It's INSANE.

Are you admitting to Cloward and Piven as a strategy? Is that the plan??

LMAO. The house has -quite literally- done nothing. Nothing. They can even keep stable leadership-or any leadership- much less pass meaningful legislation. They can’t even agree to fund the government.

Whatever it is you’re not—ing about, taxes or otherwise, the House isn’t offering any solutions, much less meaningful solutions, to those or anything else.

That’s not on Biden. At all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All the Republicans seem to live with 1970s stereotypes that most Blacks are unskilled laborers. One of the biggest underreported changes over the past 40 years is the number of Black womens with bachelors, graduate, and professional degrees who are in professional and management positions in government, health care, education, financial services, business services, etc. You are all talking nonsense about the President and ignoring all the outstanding Black Democrats in Congress, state, and local offices.

What in fork are you talking about? It is not republicans that believe black people are incapable of getting an ID, using a computer or have access to the interwebs.
That is all democrats.
Democrats also believe that only black people are poor, which is why when anyone suggests not increasing SNAP, TANF etc., they scream about how it racist it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let’s roll the Mitch McConnell tapes, shall we…

“We paid for the sin of slavery by electing Barack Obama.”

“My top goal is to make sure Obama is a one-term President.”

“On that sad day when we lost Justice Scalia, I made another pledge that Obama would not fill this seat, That honor will go to Donald Trump next year.”

And that kids is how McConnell solidified a conservative Supreme Court Justice and the election of Trump. Now he gazes into the abyss of nothingness after doing as much earthly damage as possible.

How is wanting the current president (at the time) to only serve one term some kind of evil thing? Democrats didn't want Trump to serve another term. They also didn't want either of the Bushes to get second terms -and one didn't.
This is how opposing parties talk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I actually love this. Just goes to show that people regardless of color, religion or ethnicity are not a monolithic group. Stop stereotyping and putting people in boxed in categories.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Democrats need to stop worrying about blacks voters voting for Trump and instead focus on why people don't want to vote for Biden. The list is long: age, immigration, support for Israel, policies regarding sexual identity, homelessness, access to healthcare, housing, CRIME, etc. People living in urban areas really have a lot to grapple with and fear mongering them to not vote for Trump is not going to work this time. And it has everything to do with believing that Democrats won't deliver on these issues and less to do with believing Trump will solve these problems (we know he won't).

+ a million.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All the Republicans seem to live with 1970s stereotypes that most Blacks are unskilled laborers. One of the biggest underreported changes over the past 40 years is the number of Black womens with bachelors, graduate, and professional degrees who are in professional and management positions in government, health care, education, financial services, business services, etc. You are all talking nonsense about the President and ignoring all the outstanding Black Democrats in Congress, state, and local offices.

What in fork are you talking about? It is not republicans that believe black people are incapable of getting an ID, using a computer or have access to the interwebs.
That is all democrats.
Democrats also believe that only black people are poor, which is why when anyone suggests not increasing SNAP, TANF etc., they scream about how it racist it is.

You are delusional. Republicans absolutely believe that voter ID requirements disproportionally reduce Black voter turnout. That’s why they propose them and they rig state ID requirements to target Black voters. Your statement about benefits is idiotic. Democrats definitely know that many beneficiaries of social programs are white children, families, retirees, and people with disabilities. Republicans continually try to divert those funds to cronies instead of the intended beneficiaries.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s roll the Mitch McConnell tapes, shall we…

“We paid for the sin of slavery by electing Barack Obama.”

“My top goal is to make sure Obama is a one-term President.”

“On that sad day when we lost Justice Scalia, I made another pledge that Obama would not fill this seat, That honor will go to Donald Trump next year.”

And that kids is how McConnell solidified a conservative Supreme Court Justice and the election of Trump. Now he gazes into the abyss of nothingness after doing as much earthly damage as possible.

How is wanting the current president (at the time) to only serve one term some kind of evil thing? Democrats didn't want Trump to serve another term. They also didn't want either of the Bushes to get second terms -and one didn't.
This is how opposing parties talk.

Dp- I remember party of no. It’s was more than opposition to his agenda. They were ok with hurting Americans as long as democrats didn’t “win”. McConnell’s brand of leadership was un American.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats need to stop worrying about blacks voters voting for Trump and instead focus on why people don't want to vote for Biden. The list is long: age, immigration, support for Israel, policies regarding sexual identity, homelessness, access to healthcare, housing, CRIME, etc. People living in urban areas really have a lot to grapple with and fear mongering them to not vote for Trump is not going to work this time. And it has everything to do with believing that Democrats won't deliver on these issues and less to do with believing Trump will solve these problems (we know he won't).

+ a million.

WTF are you talking about? 81 million people voted for Biden. Polls a year out only register that a lot of people like to complain about things and imagine that some ideal candidate might appear out of thin air. Those who want someone other than Biden are all over the political spectrum. No potential candidate would poll a majority at this point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All the Republicans seem to live with 1970s stereotypes that most Blacks are unskilled laborers. One of the biggest underreported changes over the past 40 years is the number of Black womens with bachelors, graduate, and professional degrees who are in professional and management positions in government, health care, education, financial services, business services, etc. You are all talking nonsense about the President and ignoring all the outstanding Black Democrats in Congress, state, and local offices.

What in fork are you talking about? It is not republicans that believe black people are incapable of getting an ID, using a computer or have access to the interwebs.
That is all democrats.
Democrats also believe that only black people are poor, which is why when anyone suggests not increasing SNAP, TANF etc., they scream about how it racist it is.

You are delusional. Republicans absolutely believe that voter ID requirements disproportionally reduce Black voter turnout. That’s why they propose them and they rig state ID requirements to target Black voters. Your statement about benefits is idiotic. Democrats definitely know that many beneficiaries of social programs are white children, families, retirees, and people with disabilities. Republicans continually try to divert those funds to cronies instead of the intended beneficiaries.

Disproportionally HOW? Get to the meat of it.

Don't just spout rhetorc without being specific. Are blacks too dumb? Lazy? Just WTF causes this disproportionality you mention or is it the democrat party soft bigotry of low expectations? I'm black. Explain it to me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats need to stop worrying about blacks voters voting for Trump and instead focus on why people don't want to vote for Biden. The list is long: age, immigration, support for Israel, policies regarding sexual identity, homelessness, access to healthcare, housing, CRIME, etc. People living in urban areas really have a lot to grapple with and fear mongering them to not vote for Trump is not going to work this time. And it has everything to do with believing that Democrats won't deliver on these issues and less to do with believing Trump will solve these problems (we know he won't).

So how is any of that somehow a big decision point item?

Age - Trump is almost as old as Biden and in worse physical and mental shape

Immigration - Trump doesn't have any legitimate working solutions either

Support for Israel - Trump was buddy-buddy with Bibi Netanyahu

Sexual identity - what do you think Trump is going to do? Maybe mock people over their sexual identity, but certainly won't have any kind of coherent policy

Homelessness - The GOP doesn't give a single crap about the homeless

Access to healthcare - from the Republicans who take massive donations from big pharma and the health insurance industry, they want to kill medicare, defund NIH and medical research, make you leave the state in order to get a medically necessary abortion even when your life is in danger, get rid of vaccines and all kinds of crazy shit.

Housing - Republicans have ZERO solutions on housing and are propped up by real estate speculators who've caused the cost of housing to spike
Crime - Republicans don't have any answers on crime, just more of the same old failed war on drugs, mass incarceration of blacks, more racial profiling, and everything else

There's no fear mongering needed. This is their actual track record. This is reality. This is fact.

You wanna be mad that Democrats haven't done enough to fix any of this - but Republicans are the ones breaking everything and making it so that it needs to be fixed in the first place.

Pardon me for expecting the man I voted for in 2020 to actual fix some of the problems that concern some of his constituents. Didn't Biden promise to clean up this mess? In some instances he's doing the same thing Trump did and has made other things worse.

That’s ridiculous.

Which part is ridiculous?

Blaming the President for not magically making all your dreams come true when almost every other government, public, and private institution in the country is controlled by obstructionists. Biden is doing as much as any President can do on the issues you complain about.

+1000

Biden was handed a shit sandwich of a broken economy by Trump, and a country ravaged by over a million dead from COVID, broken supply chain, massive debt with nothing to show for it, more than 75% of Americans living paycheck to paycheck, and turned America around to where unemployment dropped back down to record lows including for African-Americans, made much needed investments in American infrastructure and industry, IN SPITE of a completely dysfunctional GOP-run House of Representatives.

Unemployment depends on how you count it. If people just retire and you stop counting them, then of course you're going to have low unemployment rates.

What exactly would you like the House to do? Just keep passing spending bills of every social program and handout you want because "you want"? Well F no. Your whole outlook on budgets is screwed up. You think everyone is owed by the tax payer. They aren't. Half the country doesn' even pay any income taxes b/c of a HIGHLY progressive tax system (more progressive than many countries in Europe BTW), and your democrat party champions importing even more poverty from central and south America. Why? Becausd it makes you feel better I guess. It's INSANE.

Are you admitting to Cloward and Piven as a strategy? Is that the plan??

DP... hate to break it to you but the progressive tax we have still leaves us with a much bigger divide between the ultra-wealthy and the rest than most other modern, industrialized nations. If you want the "half who don't pay taxes" to pay more then maybe you should work to raise their wages so that they can actually afford to pay taxes, because right now they live paycheck to paycheck and don't have much of anything left to go to taxes. It used to actually be 76% living paycheck to paycheck under Trump, but now it's dropped to 50% under Biden. Personally I think the rich can and should pay more. We need another few brackets above the ones we have now. We need to eliminate a lot of the loopholes that favor the ultra-wealthy, that favor hedge fund traders and folks like Warren Buffett who came right out and admitted he pays a smaller percent share of his income than his secretary does. We should also remove the contribution cap from social security, along with shoring up healthcare to help take care of the less-fortunate, and to make living more affordable.

As for your "Cloward and Piven" nonsense, it's the exact opposite. Those things I just mentioned would strengthen and stabilize America, as opposed to being a disruptor.