Looks like a new Gaza war has started

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP. I don’t understand how people both sides this. I’ve never seen videos of Israelis gleefully dragging the desecrated naked body of a very young woman through the street. Never.

Oh they do. There are little kids being used a shields for Israel troops, women being killed and dragged through the streets, etc. It just does not make it on cable TV in the state. You can find it on the web. Israel is very good about managing what makes it out of the occupied territories. They totally control the area. Israel government has media relations and intelligence services work hard to get the right story out. It is similar to what the US military did to manage the media in Afghanistan or Iraq. If reporter can only report what the see. If you keep them out of areas there will be no reports from those areas.

You would be surprised by the number of TV news talk show hosts and producers who get free trips to Israel. It’s a way to produce soft influences in your favor. It is very smart of Israel. I just do not understand why Israel is letting itself to become a partisan issue. That was dumb.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For more than 50 years now, Palestinians have always chosen to do the wrong thing, from massacring Olympic athletes in Munich to hijacking scores of airplanes to cheering on the 9/11 attacks. In all these decades, they have demonstrated no will or capacity to govern effectively for the benefit of the people. Palestinians are despised everywhere in the region - Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia. They have no allies left except the Iranians.

This morning I watched Hamas massacre families in their homes and in their cars. I have seen Israeli women abducted and taken into Gaza. I have seen one Israeli woman, naked, obviously dead, all her limbs broken, being paraded through Gaza in the back of a pick truck as young boys spat on her. This is the hatred that Israelis are confronting.

In the months ahead, Gaza will be destroyed. Thousands of Palestinians are going to die. Palestinians will never be allowed to be in a position where they can cross the border again. Life was already pretty grim in Gaza. And it's going to get a lot grimmer in the decades ahead.

And for what? They have a day to kill Israeli civilians. And they will be paying for it for generations.

Well said.
I think Hamas has underestimated Israel. And, I think they are unaware of what is yet to come.

Yes, I expect Gaza to be leveled. I expect that they'll leave a scorched earth demilitarized zone so that this will never happen again there. It will likely cause a humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

And then what happens?

Which Arab nation (or Russian and/or Chinese backed proxy) will feel compelled to retaliate?

I’m more concerned with the ripple effect…or perhaps intended consequence…comes next.

Jews will be attacked in Europe for certain

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Worst security failure in Israel’s history on Bibi’s watch. WTF happened? Hamas cut massive holes through the border fence and are freely driving back & forth with supplies, kidnapped civilians and soldiers, etc.

Sderot was over run! Bibi failed big time, too distracted by his stupid domestic games and cult of personality.

Bibi orchestrated it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:War serves a political end for Arabs. I condemn the bloodshed but war is historically a political option and it's why it makes human beings the dumbest animals on earth. We think it will help us but it really never goes. It's a lose-lose proposition on both sides because of the killing but make no mistake, politically it was the only leverage Arabs had to a situation they would otherwise lose. Netanyahu us not a peacemaker he's just as militant as Hamas he just didn't kill anyone outright but he does want to kill Arabs.

…because the Arabs want to kill Jews.

Vicious cycle: religious hate…fight for power…political spin…terrorism and war…rinse and repeat.

Both sides are to blame when you look at the conflict in its totality. And you can’t cherry pick facts/incidents to blame one side.

How about an audacious social experiment?

Unify both areas and people with a global UN led government backed by international peacekeeper military police. Confiscate civilian weapons. Implement Japanesque societal based mores with strict law enforcement peppered with intentional kumbayah school teachings to drum it into everyone’s heads that we are all the same and must coexist peacefully. Incentivize interfaith marriage and take steps to foster tolerance.

It’s going to take bold action to change hearts and minds of religious extremists…which exist on both sides.

you want interfaith marriage ? that is slow genocide. wow

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For more than 50 years now, Palestinians have always chosen to do the wrong thing, from massacring Olympic athletes in Munich to hijacking scores of airplanes to cheering on the 9/11 attacks. In all these decades, they have demonstrated no will or capacity to govern effectively for the benefit of the people. Palestinians are despised everywhere in the region - Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia. They have no allies left except the Iranians.

This morning I watched Hamas massacre families in their homes and in their cars. I have seen Israeli women abducted and taken into Gaza. I have seen one Israeli woman, naked, obviously dead, all her limbs broken, being paraded through Gaza in the back of a pick truck as young boys spat on her. This is the hatred that Israelis are confronting.

In the months ahead, Gaza will be destroyed. Thousands of Palestinians are going to die. Palestinians will never be allowed to be in a position where they can cross the border again. Life was already pretty grim in Gaza. And it's going to get a lot grimmer in the decades ahead.

And for what? They have a day to kill Israeli civilians. And they will be paying for it for generations.

Well said.
I think Hamas has underestimated Israel. And, I think they are unaware of what is yet to come.

Yes, I expect Gaza to be leveled. I expect that they'll leave a scorched earth demilitarized zone so that this will never happen again there. It will likely cause a humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

And then what happens?

Which Arab nation (or Russian and/or Chinese backed proxy) will feel compelled to retaliate?

I’m more concerned with the ripple effect…or perhaps intended consequence…comes next.

Oh I think you're right. This feels a lot like WWI Balkan powder keg stuff, especially if Israel engages Iran or vice versa.

[Anonymous]

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Occupiers have no rights. Stand with Palestine.

Read your history.

Palestinians are the occupiers.


Land was Israel And Judea 2000 BC, Joe to the Jewish people.

After many centuries of extermination and war by Romans, Turks, Ottomans, the Jewish population there withered as they were forced to move to places like Europe. There was still a sizable population of Jewish people in modern day Israel.

So the Jewish people were there first. Long before Arabs and 2500 years before Islam.

Read you history.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel

So?
That is history
Should we reinstate the borders of the ancient Roman Empire and return America to original inhabitants?

Heck the Etruscans and Greeks would have more rights to much of the land than the Romans. Long live the Etruscans and Greeks! Maybe the Egyptians as well?

Actually, the cavemen were here first…or perhaps the apes? Not sure where you draw the line.

My two cents: we have maps. They show borders. Let’s just agree to stick with the lines.

Better yet: let’s agree to be better. Imagine a world where everyone agreed to basic civil and human rights. A live and let live world of tolerance and equality.

I think we need to reflect upon how defending antisocial religious and cultural norms has allowed dangerous beliefs and behavior to flourish. The effects are horrific.

[Anonymous]

There is no way “Bibi orchestrated it” and that’s just dumb air you’re pumping into this discussion. Silly.

[Anonymous]

I feel bad for Biden and the DC establishment. They are in way over their heads. Only Trump can handle so many complex situations at once.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I feel bad for Biden and the DC establishment. They are in way over their heads. Only Trump can handle so many complex situations at once.

Where's your show tonight? I could use a few good laughs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Occupiers have no rights. Stand with Palestine.

Read your history.

Palestinians are the occupiers.


Land was Israel And Judea 2000 BC, Joe to the Jewish people.

After many centuries of extermination and war by Romans, Turks, Ottomans, the Jewish population there withered as they were forced to move to places like Europe. There was still a sizable population of Jewish people in modern day Israel.

So the Jewish people were there first. Long before Arabs and 2500 years before Islam.

Read you history.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel

So?
That is history
Should we reinstate the borders of the ancient Roman Empire and return America to original inhabitants?

Heck the Etruscans and Greeks would have more rights to much of the land than the Romans. Long live the Etruscans and Greeks! Maybe the Egyptians as well?

Actually, the cavemen were here first…or perhaps the apes? Not sure where you draw the line.

My two cents: we have maps. They show borders. Let’s just agree to stick with the lines.

Better yet: let’s agree to be better. Imagine a world where everyone agreed to basic civil and human rights. A live and let live world of tolerance and equality.

I think we need to reflect upon how defending antisocial religious and cultural norms has allowed dangerous beliefs and behavior to flourish. The effects are horrific.

It's a fair point and I only pointed it out for its reductio ad absurdum. I guess the real and pragmatic question is where do you draw the line in terms of where one state's sovereignty starts and another's ends? At today's lines? Yesterday's? Last year's? Last century's? You get the drift.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Occupiers have no rights. Stand with Palestine.

Read your history.

Palestinians are the occupiers.


Land was Israel And Judea 2000 BC, Joe to the Jewish people.

After many centuries of extermination and war by Romans, Turks, Ottomans, the Jewish population there withered as they were forced to move to places like Europe. There was still a sizable population of Jewish people in modern day Israel.

So the Jewish people were there first. Long before Arabs and 2500 years before Islam.

Read you history.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel

So?
That is history
Should we reinstate the borders of the ancient Roman Empire and return America to original inhabitants?

Heck the Etruscans and Greeks would have more rights to much of the land than the Romans. Long live the Etruscans and Greeks! Maybe the Egyptians as well?

Actually, the cavemen were here first…or perhaps the apes? Not sure where you draw the line.

My two cents: we have maps. They show borders. Let’s just agree to stick with the lines.

Better yet: let’s agree to be better. Imagine a world where everyone agreed to basic civil and human rights. A live and let live world of tolerance and equality.

I think we need to reflect upon how defending antisocial religious and cultural norms has allowed dangerous beliefs and behavior to flourish. The effects are horrific.

Moses made a mistake
He turned left and let the Arabs have the oil

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:War serves a political end for Arabs. I condemn the bloodshed but war is historically a political option and it's why it makes human beings the dumbest animals on earth. We think it will help us but it really never goes. It's a lose-lose proposition on both sides because of the killing but make no mistake, politically it was the only leverage Arabs had to a situation they would otherwise lose. Netanyahu us not a peacemaker he's just as militant as Hamas he just didn't kill anyone outright but he does want to kill Arabs.

…because the Arabs want to kill Jews.

Vicious cycle: religious hate…fight for power…political spin…terrorism and war…rinse and repeat.

Both sides are to blame when you look at the conflict in its totality. And you can’t cherry pick facts/incidents to blame one side.

How about an audacious social experiment?

Unify both areas and people with a global UN led government backed by international peacekeeper military police. Confiscate civilian weapons. Implement Japanesque societal based mores with strict law enforcement peppered with intentional kumbayah school teachings to drum it into everyone’s heads that we are all the same and must coexist peacefully. Incentivize interfaith marriage and take steps to foster tolerance.

It’s going to take bold action to change hearts and minds of religious extremists…which exist on both sides.

you want interfaith marriage ? that is slow genocide. wow

Marriage is genocide?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:War serves a political end for Arabs. I condemn the bloodshed but war is historically a political option and it's why it makes human beings the dumbest animals on earth. We think it will help us but it really never goes. It's a lose-lose proposition on both sides because of the killing but make no mistake, politically it was the only leverage Arabs had to a situation they would otherwise lose. Netanyahu us not a peacemaker he's just as militant as Hamas he just didn't kill anyone outright but he does want to kill Arabs.

…because the Arabs want to kill Jews.

Vicious cycle: religious hate…fight for power…political spin…terrorism and war…rinse and repeat.

Both sides are to blame when you look at the conflict in its totality. And you can’t cherry pick facts/incidents to blame one side.

How about an audacious social experiment?

Unify both areas and people with a global UN led government backed by international peacekeeper military police. Confiscate civilian weapons. Implement Japanesque societal based mores with strict law enforcement peppered with intentional kumbayah school teachings to drum it into everyone’s heads that we are all the same and must coexist peacefully. Incentivize interfaith marriage and take steps to foster tolerance.

It’s going to take bold action to change hearts and minds of religious extremists…which exist on both sides.

you want interfaith marriage ? that is slow genocide. wow

Marriage is genocide?

She means dilution of the bloodline over time.

[Anonymous]

Congratulations Biden voters. Happy now?