Why are OOS flagships so popular these days?

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That's what parents/kids say when they don't get in. It's a face-saving technique that's entirely transparent.

What? Plenty of kids who don't get into UVA or UMD can do better than VT/JMU or UMBC oos

dp... yes, but this particular thread is about how going to in state = 13th year.

If you are saying that someone applied to but didn't get into to UVA or UMD (in state), that would still mean they were willing to do the 13th grade.

And if you didn't get into UVA/UMD, and then say it's like "13th grade", then that's just face-saving sour grapes.

I hope my kids leave the state/area for college. But they may prefer the “13th grade” option. It’s just how it is and different people have different preferences.

If you are offended by “13th grade” then you may want to reflect on why.

DP. It's not "offensive," it's merely inaccurate. Students do not run into their high school classmates at any of these large schools unless they make a plan to do so. There are thousands of students, including many OOS kids. People who call it "13th grade" don't actually have kids at these schools; they're just making dumb statements that aren't backed up in way.

“13th grade” doesn’t mean they literally run into HS peers constantly. It’s just a continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years.

If you are offended by it, that really speaks more about your own insecurities.

Please explain how it is in any way a "continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years" any more than any other college would be. Especially if we've all established they are not seeing their HS peers at these large schools. We'll wait.

You think kids from FCPS have significantly different life experiences than kids from ACPS? VA state colleges are full of nova kids who have all had similar upbringings. Many will end up back in nova. 13th grade.

I’m hoping my kids will pick somewhere OOS, but they might pick in-state. Which is fine if that’s what they prefer.

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Anonymous wrote:If the wacko aspect of an employee's religious faith doesn't affect their job performance, then it is also discrimination. Against the law plain and simple. You are violating the law all the time it seems. Wow. Do you even know about Title VII?

It demonstrates poor judgment and potential HR issues done the line.

The law disagrees.

Nope. It would affect job performance and employee retention. No one wants to work with nutters.

So you do discriminate on the basis of religion?

No discrimination. I just don’t hire people with bad judgment and poor social skills. Many (most?) that I do hire are religious.

Wow. It's ironic you don't realize you are indeed discriminating.

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If anyone is demonstrating bad judgment and poor social skills, it's the PP. And I sincerely doubt s/he is in a position to hire anyone.

As it turns out, I don’t have many of the wackos applying in my field. Maybe 2-3 resumes over the last 20 years. And they were far from qualified so it was a no brainer.

Guess they don’t have good judgment, social skills, or relevant working skills.

I see you're doubling down! No one believes you, so please move on.

Liberty U isn’t really pumping out qualified CS majors, but OK.

And Wal-Mart doesn't care who they hire, but ok.

I guess that’s how you got your job there.

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Anonymous wrote:If the wacko aspect of an employee's religious faith doesn't affect their job performance, then it is also discrimination. Against the law plain and simple. You are violating the law all the time it seems. Wow. Do you even know about Title VII?

It demonstrates poor judgment and potential HR issues done the line.

The law disagrees.

Nope. It would affect job performance and employee retention. No one wants to work with nutters.

So you do discriminate on the basis of religion?

No discrimination. I just don’t hire people with bad judgment and poor social skills. Many (most?) that I do hire are religious.

Wow. It's ironic you don't realize you are indeed discriminating.

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If anyone is demonstrating bad judgment and poor social skills, it's the PP. And I sincerely doubt s/he is in a position to hire anyone.

As it turns out, I don’t have many of the wackos applying in my field. Maybe 2-3 resumes over the last 20 years. And they were far from qualified so it was a no brainer.

Guess they don’t have good judgment, social skills, or relevant working skills.

I see you're doubling down! No one believes you, so please move on.

Liberty U isn’t really pumping out qualified CS majors, but OK.

And Wal-Mart doesn't care who they hire, but ok.

I guess that’s how you got your job there.

Still defending your discrimination? dp

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Anonymous wrote:If the wacko aspect of an employee's religious faith doesn't affect their job performance, then it is also discrimination. Against the law plain and simple. You are violating the law all the time it seems. Wow. Do you even know about Title VII?

It demonstrates poor judgment and potential HR issues done the line.

The law disagrees.

Nope. It would affect job performance and employee retention. No one wants to work with nutters.

So you do discriminate on the basis of religion?

No discrimination. I just don’t hire people with bad judgment and poor social skills. Many (most?) that I do hire are religious.

Wow. It's ironic you don't realize you are indeed discriminating.

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If anyone is demonstrating bad judgment and poor social skills, it's the PP. And I sincerely doubt s/he is in a position to hire anyone.

As it turns out, I don’t have many of the wackos applying in my field. Maybe 2-3 resumes over the last 20 years. And they were far from qualified so it was a no brainer.

Guess they don’t have good judgment, social skills, or relevant working skills.

I see you're doubling down! No one believes you, so please move on.

Liberty U isn’t really pumping out qualified CS majors, but OK.

And Wal-Mart doesn't care who they hire, but ok.

I guess that’s how you got your job there.

Still defending your discrimination? dp

NP. Wow. You're borderline harassing.

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That's what parents/kids say when they don't get in. It's a face-saving technique that's entirely transparent.

What? Plenty of kids who don't get into UVA or UMD can do better than VT/JMU or UMBC oos

dp... yes, but this particular thread is about how going to in state = 13th year.

If you are saying that someone applied to but didn't get into to UVA or UMD (in state), that would still mean they were willing to do the 13th grade.

And if you didn't get into UVA/UMD, and then say it's like "13th grade", then that's just face-saving sour grapes.

I hope my kids leave the state/area for college. But they may prefer the “13th grade” option. It’s just how it is and different people have different preferences.

If you are offended by “13th grade” then you may want to reflect on why.

? I'm not offended by it. IMO, the the ^^PP who called it 13th grade probably did so because their DC got rejected to the flagship.

I'm originally from CA, and we have a very different opinion about going in state (yes, I know why.. CA has a lot more great options). So, even in the DC area, it doesn't bother me that going in state = 13th grade, especially if that in state is the flagship that has an amazing national reputation.

If you weren’t offended then why did you say the PP’s kid probably got rejected?

13th grade is 13th grade. Regardless of where PP’s kids were accepted.

probably because it's true.

Because you are offended.

nah. I had actually never even heard of the phrase 13th year till recently, but I don't really care. A lot of kids in CA (where I'm from) go to the same colleges with their classmates. No one cares. This is a DC snobbery thing.

Clearly you bought in if you assume PP says that only because their kid didn’t get in.

People who use the phrase 13th grade are either snobs or bitter that their kid didn't get in.

In state flagship is huge. Even if many kids from your school district go there, the chances of you knowing a lot of kids from all over the school district is pretty slim. You may see a few people from your HS, but the vast majority of kids there will be strangers to you. You can easily avoid kids from your HS by befriending kids you don't know.

I went to an in state college out west, and I saw two people from my HS there, and that was my senior year right before I graduated.

I went to and oos flagship and there were several students from my school that attended the same school. Only 3 students from DCs school picked out in state flagship last year. I think it's easy to not have the same friend group if you don't want to.

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That's what parents/kids say when they don't get in. It's a face-saving technique that's entirely transparent.

What? Plenty of kids who don't get into UVA or UMD can do better than VT/JMU or UMBC oos

dp... yes, but this particular thread is about how going to in state = 13th year.

If you are saying that someone applied to but didn't get into to UVA or UMD (in state), that would still mean they were willing to do the 13th grade.

And if you didn't get into UVA/UMD, and then say it's like "13th grade", then that's just face-saving sour grapes.

I hope my kids leave the state/area for college. But they may prefer the “13th grade” option. It’s just how it is and different people have different preferences.

If you are offended by “13th grade” then you may want to reflect on why.

DP. It's not "offensive," it's merely inaccurate. Students do not run into their high school classmates at any of these large schools unless they make a plan to do so. There are thousands of students, including many OOS kids. People who call it "13th grade" don't actually have kids at these schools; they're just making dumb statements that aren't backed up in way.

“13th grade” doesn’t mean they literally run into HS peers constantly. It’s just a continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years.

If you are offended by it, that really speaks more about your own insecurities.

Please explain how it is in any way a "continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years" any more than any other college would be. Especially if we've all established they are not seeing their HS peers at these large schools. We'll wait.

You think kids from FCPS have significantly different life experiences than kids from ACPS? VA state colleges are full of nova kids who have all had similar upbringings. Many will end up back in nova. 13th grade.

I’m hoping my kids will pick somewhere OOS, but they might pick in-state. Which is fine if that’s what they prefer.

The 13th grade thing is such bullshit. One third of UVA is from NOVA, one third is from other parts of the state, and one third are from elsewhere. The kids from NOVA come from some of the most diverse suburbs in the country. Many have parents who moved here from elsewhere. And any given student doesn’t know the overwhelming majority of them and has nothing to do with the kids from their own high school.

I had two kids go to UVA. Both studied abroad in college and lived abroad for several years after college. One got a master’s degree in Europe in the middle of a several year stint living in Latin America. The other joined the Peace Corps. One’s bff from college is Australian; the other’s is from New Hampshire. Their experience is no less diverse than that of my other kid, who went to college 1000 miles away (turning down William & Mary for merit aid).

I guarantee you that my UVA grads are far more “worldly” than your typical Fairfax kid going to OSU or IU.

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What's wrong with 13th grade? What's wrong with being connected to a community?
USA is a nation of immigrants. That's great! Immigration isn't a hobby, it's a search for opportunity for a better life. When you find somewhere great, it's good to stay.

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That's what parents/kids say when they don't get in. It's a face-saving technique that's entirely transparent.

What? Plenty of kids who don't get into UVA or UMD can do better than VT/JMU or UMBC oos

dp... yes, but this particular thread is about how going to in state = 13th year.

If you are saying that someone applied to but didn't get into to UVA or UMD (in state), that would still mean they were willing to do the 13th grade.

And if you didn't get into UVA/UMD, and then say it's like "13th grade", then that's just face-saving sour grapes.

I hope my kids leave the state/area for college. But they may prefer the “13th grade” option. It’s just how it is and different people have different preferences.

If you are offended by “13th grade” then you may want to reflect on why.

DP. It's not "offensive," it's merely inaccurate. Students do not run into their high school classmates at any of these large schools unless they make a plan to do so. There are thousands of students, including many OOS kids. People who call it "13th grade" don't actually have kids at these schools; they're just making dumb statements that aren't backed up in way.

“13th grade” doesn’t mean they literally run into HS peers constantly. It’s just a continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years.

If you are offended by it, that really speaks more about your own insecurities.

Please explain how it is in any way a "continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years" any more than any other college would be. Especially if we've all established they are not seeing their HS peers at these large schools. We'll wait.

You think kids from FCPS have significantly different life experiences than kids from ACPS? VA state colleges are full of nova kids who have all had similar upbringings. Many will end up back in nova. 13th grade.

I’m hoping my kids will pick somewhere OOS, but they might pick in-state. Which is fine if that’s what they prefer.

The 13th grade thing is such bullshit. One third of UVA is from NOVA, one third is from other parts of the state, and one third are from elsewhere. The kids from NOVA come from some of the most diverse suburbs in the country. Many have parents who moved here from elsewhere. And any given student doesn’t know the overwhelming majority of them and has nothing to do with the kids from their own high school.

I had two kids go to UVA. Both studied abroad in college and lived abroad for several years after college. One got a master’s degree in Europe in the middle of a several year stint living in Latin America. The other joined the Peace Corps. One’s bff from college is Australian; the other’s is from New Hampshire. Their experience is no less diverse than that of my other kid, who went to college 1000 miles away (turning down William & Mary for merit aid).

I guarantee you that my UVA grads are far more “worldly” than your typical Fairfax kid going to OSU or IU.

How can you guarantee this?

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+1

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That's what parents/kids say when they don't get in. It's a face-saving technique that's entirely transparent.

What? Plenty of kids who don't get into UVA or UMD can do better than VT/JMU or UMBC oos

dp... yes, but this particular thread is about how going to in state = 13th year.

If you are saying that someone applied to but didn't get into to UVA or UMD (in state), that would still mean they were willing to do the 13th grade.

And if you didn't get into UVA/UMD, and then say it's like "13th grade", then that's just face-saving sour grapes.

I hope my kids leave the state/area for college. But they may prefer the “13th grade” option. It’s just how it is and different people have different preferences.

If you are offended by “13th grade” then you may want to reflect on why.

DP. It's not "offensive," it's merely inaccurate. Students do not run into their high school classmates at any of these large schools unless they make a plan to do so. There are thousands of students, including many OOS kids. People who call it "13th grade" don't actually have kids at these schools; they're just making dumb statements that aren't backed up in way.

“13th grade” doesn’t mean they literally run into HS peers constantly. It’s just a continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years.

If you are offended by it, that really speaks more about your own insecurities.

Please explain how it is in any way a "continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years" any more than any other college would be. Especially if we've all established they are not seeing their HS peers at these large schools. We'll wait.

You think kids from FCPS have significantly different life experiences than kids from ACPS? VA state colleges are full of nova kids who have all had similar upbringings. Many will end up back in nova. 13th grade.

I’m hoping my kids will pick somewhere OOS, but they might pick in-state. Which is fine if that’s what they prefer.

So you're actually claiming that kids who go to Indiana or Michigan or Wisconsin somehow have had "significantly different life experiences" than kids who grew up in Northern VA? Not to mention, there are TONS of OOS kids at the top VA schools, as well as international students. My kids have friends from all over the country at their VA state universities. But do go on about how much more interesting and diverse OOS schools are. What a hoot. I think you know you're fooling yourself, you just refuse to admit it.

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That's what parents/kids say when they don't get in. It's a face-saving technique that's entirely transparent.

What? Plenty of kids who don't get into UVA or UMD can do better than VT/JMU or UMBC oos

dp... yes, but this particular thread is about how going to in state = 13th year.

If you are saying that someone applied to but didn't get into to UVA or UMD (in state), that would still mean they were willing to do the 13th grade.

And if you didn't get into UVA/UMD, and then say it's like "13th grade", then that's just face-saving sour grapes.

I hope my kids leave the state/area for college. But they may prefer the “13th grade” option. It’s just how it is and different people have different preferences.

If you are offended by “13th grade” then you may want to reflect on why.

DP. It's not "offensive," it's merely inaccurate. Students do not run into their high school classmates at any of these large schools unless they make a plan to do so. There are thousands of students, including many OOS kids. People who call it "13th grade" don't actually have kids at these schools; they're just making dumb statements that aren't backed up in way.

“13th grade” doesn’t mean they literally run into HS peers constantly. It’s just a continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years.

If you are offended by it, that really speaks more about your own insecurities.

Please explain how it is in any way a "continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years" any more than any other college would be. Especially if we've all established they are not seeing their HS peers at these large schools. We'll wait.

You think kids from FCPS have significantly different life experiences than kids from ACPS? VA state colleges are full of nova kids who have all had similar upbringings. Many will end up back in nova. 13th grade.

I’m hoping my kids will pick somewhere OOS, but they might pick in-state. Which is fine if that’s what they prefer.

So you're actually claiming that kids who go to Indiana or Michigan or Wisconsin somehow have had "significantly different life experiences" than kids who grew up in Northern VA? Not to mention, there are TONS of OOS kids at the top VA schools, as well as international students. My kids have friends from all over the country at their VA state universities. But do go on about how much more interesting and diverse OOS schools are. What a hoot. I think you know you're fooling yourself, you just refuse to admit it.

Yes, living in a different area of the country with people who grew up all over is a different experience than going to a state school in VA that has mostly nova students. And then most of them continue to live in VA after they graduate.

https://research.schev.edu/enrollment/e19_report.asp
https://digital.uvamagazine.org/articles/hoo-are-you/index.php

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Anonymous wrote:If the wacko aspect of an employee's religious faith doesn't affect their job performance, then it is also discrimination. Against the law plain and simple. You are violating the law all the time it seems. Wow. Do you even know about Title VII?

It demonstrates poor judgment and potential HR issues done the line.

The law disagrees.

Nope. It would affect job performance and employee retention. No one wants to work with nutters.

So you do discriminate on the basis of religion?

No discrimination. I just don’t hire people with bad judgment and poor social skills. Many (most?) that I do hire are religious.

Wow. It's ironic you don't realize you are indeed discriminating.

If most people I hire are religious then how am I discriminating based on religion?

Because you said you don't hire "religious wackos"

I also don’t hire non-religious wackos.

Non-religions wackos are not a protected class.

No wacko is a protected class.

[Pushes up glasses] - Well... actually....

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That's what parents/kids say when they don't get in. It's a face-saving technique that's entirely transparent.

What? Plenty of kids who don't get into UVA or UMD can do better than VT/JMU or UMBC oos

dp... yes, but this particular thread is about how going to in state = 13th year.

If you are saying that someone applied to but didn't get into to UVA or UMD (in state), that would still mean they were willing to do the 13th grade.

And if you didn't get into UVA/UMD, and then say it's like "13th grade", then that's just face-saving sour grapes.

I hope my kids leave the state/area for college. But they may prefer the “13th grade” option. It’s just how it is and different people have different preferences.

If you are offended by “13th grade” then you may want to reflect on why.

DP. It's not "offensive," it's merely inaccurate. Students do not run into their high school classmates at any of these large schools unless they make a plan to do so. There are thousands of students, including many OOS kids. People who call it "13th grade" don't actually have kids at these schools; they're just making dumb statements that aren't backed up in way.

“13th grade” doesn’t mean they literally run into HS peers constantly. It’s just a continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years.

If you are offended by it, that really speaks more about your own insecurities.

Please explain how it is in any way a "continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years" any more than any other college would be. Especially if we've all established they are not seeing their HS peers at these large schools. We'll wait.

You think kids from FCPS have significantly different life experiences than kids from ACPS? VA state colleges are full of nova kids who have all had similar upbringings. Many will end up back in nova. 13th grade.

I’m hoping my kids will pick somewhere OOS, but they might pick in-state. Which is fine if that’s what they prefer.

The 13th grade thing is such bullshit. One third of UVA is from NOVA, one third is from other parts of the state, and one third are from elsewhere. The kids from NOVA come from some of the most diverse suburbs in the country. Many have parents who moved here from elsewhere. And any given student doesn’t know the overwhelming majority of them and has nothing to do with the kids from their own high school.

I had two kids go to UVA. Both studied abroad in college and lived abroad for several years after college. One got a master’s degree in Europe in the middle of a several year stint living in Latin America. The other joined the Peace Corps. One’s bff from college is Australian; the other’s is from New Hampshire. Their experience is no less diverse than that of my other kid, who went to college 1000 miles away (turning down William & Mary for merit aid).

I guarantee you that my UVA grads are far more “worldly” than your typical Fairfax kid going to OSU or IU.

How can you guarantee this?

You’re right. I can’t. But going to IU or OSU or any other OOS flagship doesn’t alone make someone more “worldly” than going to UVA in state. That’s for sure. And I CAN guarantee that the sizable OOS population at UVA that an in state UVA kid is exposed to is going to be a lot smarter and “worldly” than just about any flagship, considering that their admissions standards for OOS are at near Ivy levels.

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Anonymous wrote:What's wrong with 13th grade? What's wrong with being connected to a community?
USA is a nation of immigrants. That's great! Immigration isn't a hobby, it's a search for opportunity for a better life. When you find somewhere great, it's good to stay.

Some people feel insecure about it.

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Anonymous wrote:If the wacko aspect of an employee's religious faith doesn't affect their job performance, then it is also discrimination. Against the law plain and simple. You are violating the law all the time it seems. Wow. Do you even know about Title VII?

It demonstrates poor judgment and potential HR issues done the line.

The law disagrees.

Nope. It would affect job performance and employee retention. No one wants to work with nutters.

So you do discriminate on the basis of religion?

No discrimination. I just don’t hire people with bad judgment and poor social skills. Many (most?) that I do hire are religious.

Wow. It's ironic you don't realize you are indeed discriminating.

If most people I hire are religious then how am I discriminating based on religion?

Because you said you don't hire "religious wackos"

I also don’t hire non-religious wackos.

Non-religions wackos are not a protected class.

No wacko is a protected class.

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“Wacko” is not a protected class.

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That's what parents/kids say when they don't get in. It's a face-saving technique that's entirely transparent.

What? Plenty of kids who don't get into UVA or UMD can do better than VT/JMU or UMBC oos

dp... yes, but this particular thread is about how going to in state = 13th year.

If you are saying that someone applied to but didn't get into to UVA or UMD (in state), that would still mean they were willing to do the 13th grade.

And if you didn't get into UVA/UMD, and then say it's like "13th grade", then that's just face-saving sour grapes.

I hope my kids leave the state/area for college. But they may prefer the “13th grade” option. It’s just how it is and different people have different preferences.

If you are offended by “13th grade” then you may want to reflect on why.

DP. It's not "offensive," it's merely inaccurate. Students do not run into their high school classmates at any of these large schools unless they make a plan to do so. There are thousands of students, including many OOS kids. People who call it "13th grade" don't actually have kids at these schools; they're just making dumb statements that aren't backed up in way.

“13th grade” doesn’t mean they literally run into HS peers constantly. It’s just a continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years.

If you are offended by it, that really speaks more about your own insecurities.

Please explain how it is in any way a "continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years" any more than any other college would be. Especially if we've all established they are not seeing their HS peers at these large schools. We'll wait.

You think kids from FCPS have significantly different life experiences than kids from ACPS? VA state colleges are full of nova kids who have all had similar upbringings. Many will end up back in nova. 13th grade.

I’m hoping my kids will pick somewhere OOS, but they might pick in-state. Which is fine if that’s what they prefer.

The 13th grade thing is such bullshit. One third of UVA is from NOVA, one third is from other parts of the state, and one third are from elsewhere. The kids from NOVA come from some of the most diverse suburbs in the country. Many have parents who moved here from elsewhere. And any given student doesn’t know the overwhelming majority of them and has nothing to do with the kids from their own high school.

I had two kids go to UVA. Both studied abroad in college and lived abroad for several years after college. One got a master’s degree in Europe in the middle of a several year stint living in Latin America. The other joined the Peace Corps. One’s bff from college is Australian; the other’s is from New Hampshire. Their experience is no less diverse than that of my other kid, who went to college 1000 miles away (turning down William & Mary for merit aid).

I guarantee you that my UVA grads are far more “worldly” than your typical Fairfax kid going to OSU or IU.

How can you guarantee this?

You’re right. I can’t. But going to IU or OSU or any other OOS flagship doesn’t alone make someone more “worldly” than going to UVA in state. That’s for sure. And I CAN guarantee that the sizable OOS population at UVA that an in state UVA kid is exposed to is going to be a lot smarter and “worldly” than just about any flagship, considering that their admissions standards for OOS are at near Ivy levels.

Not sure why you are fixated on “worldly”.

Kids who grow up in VA and go to school in VA overwhelmingly settle in VA.

That’s just a fact. Nothing wrong with it. Not sure why you’re so defensive about it.