Why are OOS flagships so popular these days?

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Anonymous wrote:to the main question - simply because UVA, VT , WM cant cant all the qualified students and people here have the $$$ to go to OOS schools.

Many students that "just miss" getting into UVA, VT, WM are offered excellent scholarships at other states' flagships-to the point where it's the same or an even lower price.
My kid is a good student but I don't think he has a chance at UVA or VT (engineering.) But with the automatic merit scholarship at Alabama, he'll only be paying about $2k/semester-far cheaper than what he'd have to pay at UVA or VT even if he could get in.

Yea, exactly. I said this earlier in fact but I’m a so-called UVA poster so I was dismissed out of hand.

The joke used to be that JMU stood for Just Missed UVA. That’s not true of JMU or any other school in VA outside of W&M and maybe VT. The gap has widened. So you have very good students from VA that can’t / don’t get into those schools but have very good stats and are getting merit offers from OOS flagships. They end up paying less to leave the state and going to better (or at least better known) OOS schools.

So the choice is made for them given UVA’s admission standards, but it’s not a bad choice to have made.

I am smiling as I write this because I have “Morning Joe“ on the TV in the background and they’re talking about how unfair the process is for rich kids to get into best schools. The reporter just said “schools like the Ivy League and elite publics like Virginia and Michigan.” In that order lol. No mention of any of the other out-of-state flagships being discussed in this thread lol.

Re: the bolded, that silly "joke" isn't true for VT, mainly because students often choose VT over UVA to begin with. I know that's hard for you to admit, but it's ok. The rest of us know it to be true.

According to parchment 24 percent of students admitted to both UVA and Tech chose Tech. I guess that’s “often.”

Just for giggles, we should look at %s for kids who choose for STEM. As as engineer, I can tell you the %s are much different.

The 24 percent is for all majors. If you do engineering specifically you’d probably see that nobody goes to Tech over UVA for any other reason.

DP. This is hilarious. I know plenty of people, including two of my own kids, who chose VT over UVA for the humanities and business, respectively. Not STEM or engineering. You seem to be living in a silly little bubble of cluelessness.

Anyone who chooses VT over UVA for the humanities is clueless. That makes even less sense than choosing UVA over VT for engineering.

Interesting. Well, my “clueless” VT humanities grad is doing great, having attended her top choice school, employed in the field of her choice, living in the area of her choice, and making a very nice income - as are her siblings and fellow VT grads. Seems “clueless” is most applicable to misguided dunces like yourself.

+100

Good for her. Tech is a great school and has served her well. But she didn’t get into UVA. You’re not fooling anybody.

Such a sad sad person you are. Who are your friends?

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My son had zero desire to apply to UVA and now I understand why. Totally insufferable boosters.

Lol we all know the real reason why your son didn’t apply.

Case in point ^^. Keep living up to your horrible reputation!

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The European-educated economist has managed to make comments & ask questions without calling anyone a moron. Thank you, doctor. The following are my answers to his questions based on my experiences at a wide range of institutions. I’m sure someone will disagree and call me an idiot, and that is certainly their right.

He asked if a public school bachelor’s can get you into an elite private graduate program, & the answer is absolutely. Such programs are competitive to get into however, so you’d have to have excellent grades, a high GRE score, and enthusiastic letters of recommendation no matter where you studied as an undergrad. But the good news is that even if you have to drop below the top tier of elite graduate programs you can still be studying under professors who earned doctorates at fine universities. It’s not like Harvard, MIT, & Chicago econ professors know what’s going on & everybody else is trying to figure out how to tie their shoes.

Another question was how the undergrad/grad programs relate in the USA. In most (but not all) cases an academic department won’t make a distinction between who teaches undergrads & who teaches graduate students. So, depending on what classes are being offered, the same person could be teaching graduate and undergraduates in the same term. It could very well turn out that some professors tend to teach undergrads or graduate students, but that might be influenced by personal preference or topic, rather than only on level of expertise. And like you said, it’s not unheard of that big names teach even introductory courses. That said, it’s not always the most brilliant professors from whom you’d want to take undergraduate classes. They could be great, or they could get bogged down in detail that isn’t necessary at the undergraduate level. Or they could have personality traits that make them ill-suited to teach novices. When I said that the advantages of the elite universities won’t be manifested in undergraduate classes, it was not because the faculty teaching undergrads would be less qualified, but rather the subject matter will not generally be so advanced that the difference between a true world-class expert and a merely very good scholar will be apparent. In fact some of the best undergraduate experiences I had were in classes completely taught by graduate students.

A big difference between US & Europe is that American undergrads typically take APPROXIMATELY 40% of their courses in their major field. Some will take more, some less. The 40% figure is my guess. But compare that to most European undergraduate programs where typically undergrads focus exclusively on their chosen subject. This difference is a big part of why I made the point of the world-famous professors being overkill for most undergrad programs. Yes, I know there are exceptions….it’s possible at some schools for an undergrad to take perhaps 80% or more of their courses in their field, & need challenges beyond the undergraduate program. And that’s why there are often graduate-level classes they can take, or independent study classes where they would delve into a topic on their own, with occasional guidance from a professor.

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Anonymous wrote:to the main question - simply because UVA, VT , WM cant cant all the qualified students and people here have the $$$ to go to OOS schools.

Many students that "just miss" getting into UVA, VT, WM are offered excellent scholarships at other states' flagships-to the point where it's the same or an even lower price.
My kid is a good student but I don't think he has a chance at UVA or VT (engineering.) But with the automatic merit scholarship at Alabama, he'll only be paying about $2k/semester-far cheaper than what he'd have to pay at UVA or VT even if he could get in.

Yea, exactly. I said this earlier in fact but I’m a so-called UVA poster so I was dismissed out of hand.

The joke used to be that JMU stood for Just Missed UVA. That’s not true of JMU or any other school in VA outside of W&M and maybe VT. The gap has widened. So you have very good students from VA that can’t / don’t get into those schools but have very good stats and are getting merit offers from OOS flagships. They end up paying less to leave the state and going to better (or at least better known) OOS schools.

So the choice is made for them given UVA’s admission standards, but it’s not a bad choice to have made.

I am smiling as I write this because I have “Morning Joe“ on the TV in the background and they’re talking about how unfair the process is for rich kids to get into best schools. The reporter just said “schools like the Ivy League and elite publics like Virginia and Michigan.” In that order lol. No mention of any of the other out-of-state flagships being discussed in this thread lol.

Re: the bolded, that silly "joke" isn't true for VT, mainly because students often choose VT over UVA to begin with. I know that's hard for you to admit, but it's ok. The rest of us know it to be true.

According to parchment 24 percent of students admitted to both UVA and Tech chose Tech. I guess that’s “often.”

Just for giggles, we should look at %s for kids who choose for STEM. As as engineer, I can tell you the %s are much different.

The 24 percent is for all majors. If you do engineering specifically you’d probably see that nobody goes to Tech over UVA for any other reason.

DP. This is hilarious. I know plenty of people, including two of my own kids, who chose VT over UVA for the humanities and business, respectively. Not STEM or engineering. You seem to be living in a silly little bubble of cluelessness.

Anyone who chooses VT over UVA for the humanities is clueless. That makes even less sense than choosing UVA over VT for engineering.

Interesting. Well, my “clueless” VT humanities grad is doing great, having attended her top choice school, employed in the field of her choice, living in the area of her choice, and making a very nice income - as are her siblings and fellow VT grads. Seems “clueless” is most applicable to misguided dunces like yourself.

+100

Good for her. Tech is a great school and has served her well. But she didn’t get into UVA. You’re not fooling anybody.

Such a sad sad person you are. Who are your friends?

+1
My son had zero desire to apply to UVA and now I understand why. Totally insufferable boosters.

Lol we all know the real reason why your son didn’t apply.

Yes, it's clear to all of us. The insufferable boosters.

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Anonymous wrote:to the main question - simply because UVA, VT , WM cant cant all the qualified students and people here have the $$$ to go to OOS schools.

Many students that "just miss" getting into UVA, VT, WM are offered excellent scholarships at other states' flagships-to the point where it's the same or an even lower price.
My kid is a good student but I don't think he has a chance at UVA or VT (engineering.) But with the automatic merit scholarship at Alabama, he'll only be paying about $2k/semester-far cheaper than what he'd have to pay at UVA or VT even if he could get in.

Yea, exactly. I said this earlier in fact but I’m a so-called UVA poster so I was dismissed out of hand.

The joke used to be that JMU stood for Just Missed UVA. That’s not true of JMU or any other school in VA outside of W&M and maybe VT. The gap has widened. So you have very good students from VA that can’t / don’t get into those schools but have very good stats and are getting merit offers from OOS flagships. They end up paying less to leave the state and going to better (or at least better known) OOS schools.

So the choice is made for them given UVA’s admission standards, but it’s not a bad choice to have made.

I am smiling as I write this because I have “Morning Joe“ on the TV in the background and they’re talking about how unfair the process is for rich kids to get into best schools. The reporter just said “schools like the Ivy League and elite publics like Virginia and Michigan.” In that order lol. No mention of any of the other out-of-state flagships being discussed in this thread lol.

Re: the bolded, that silly "joke" isn't true for VT, mainly because students often choose VT over UVA to begin with. I know that's hard for you to admit, but it's ok. The rest of us know it to be true.

According to parchment 24 percent of students admitted to both UVA and Tech chose Tech. I guess that’s “often.”

Just for giggles, we should look at %s for kids who choose for STEM. As as engineer, I can tell you the %s are much different.

The 24 percent is for all majors. If you do engineering specifically you’d probably see that nobody goes to Tech over UVA for any other reason.

DP. This is hilarious. I know plenty of people, including two of my own kids, who chose VT over UVA for the humanities and business, respectively. Not STEM or engineering. You seem to be living in a silly little bubble of cluelessness.

Anyone who chooses VT over UVA for the humanities is clueless. That makes even less sense than choosing UVA over VT for engineering.

Interesting. Well, my “clueless” VT humanities grad is doing great, having attended her top choice school, employed in the field of her choice, living in the area of her choice, and making a very nice income - as are her siblings and fellow VT grads. Seems “clueless” is most applicable to misguided dunces like yourself.

+100

Good for her. Tech is a great school and has served her well. But she didn’t get into UVA. You’re not fooling anybody.

Such a sad sad person you are. Who are your friends?

+1
My son had zero desire to apply to UVA and now I understand why. Totally insufferable boosters.

Lol we all know the real reason why your son didn’t apply.

Yes, it's clear to all of us. The insufferable boosters.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:The European-educated economist has managed to make comments & ask questions without calling anyone a moron. Thank you, doctor. The following are my answers to his questions based on my experiences at a wide range of institutions. I’m sure someone will disagree and call me an idiot, and that is certainly their right.

He asked if a public school bachelor’s can get you into an elite private graduate program, & the answer is absolutely. Such programs are competitive to get into however, so you’d have to have excellent grades, a high GRE score, and enthusiastic letters of recommendation no matter where you studied as an undergrad. But the good news is that even if you have to drop below the top tier of elite graduate programs you can still be studying under professors who earned doctorates at fine universities. It’s not like Harvard, MIT, & Chicago econ professors know what’s going on & everybody else is trying to figure out how to tie their shoes.

Another question was how the undergrad/grad programs relate in the USA. In most (but not all) cases an academic department won’t make a distinction between who teaches undergrads & who teaches graduate students. So, depending on what classes are being offered, the same person could be teaching graduate and undergraduates in the same term. It could very well turn out that some professors tend to teach undergrads or graduate students, but that might be influenced by personal preference or topic, rather than only on level of expertise. And like you said, it’s not unheard of that big names teach even introductory courses. That said, it’s not always the most brilliant professors from whom you’d want to take undergraduate classes. They could be great, or they could get bogged down in detail that isn’t necessary at the undergraduate level. Or they could have personality traits that make them ill-suited to teach novices. When I said that the advantages of the elite universities won’t be manifested in undergraduate classes, it was not because the faculty teaching undergrads would be less qualified, but rather the subject matter will not generally be so advanced that the difference between a true world-class expert and a merely very good scholar will be apparent. In fact some of the best undergraduate experiences I had were in classes completely taught by graduate students.

A big difference between US & Europe is that American undergrads typically take APPROXIMATELY 40% of their courses in their major field. Some will take more, some less. The 40% figure is my guess. But compare that to most European undergraduate programs where typically undergrads focus exclusively on their chosen subject. This difference is a big part of why I made the point of the world-famous professors being overkill for most undergrad programs. Yes, I know there are exceptions….it’s possible at some schools for an undergrad to take perhaps 80% or more of their courses in their field, & need challenges beyond the undergraduate program. And that’s why there are often graduate-level classes they can take, or independent study classes where they would delve into a topic on their own, with occasional guidance from a professor.

The quality of undergraduate programs depends on much more than the pedigree of the faculty.

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Anonymous wrote:to the main question - simply because UVA, VT , WM cant cant all the qualified students and people here have the $$$ to go to OOS schools.

Many students that "just miss" getting into UVA, VT, WM are offered excellent scholarships at other states' flagships-to the point where it's the same or an even lower price.
My kid is a good student but I don't think he has a chance at UVA or VT (engineering.) But with the automatic merit scholarship at Alabama, he'll only be paying about $2k/semester-far cheaper than what he'd have to pay at UVA or VT even if he could get in.

Yea, exactly. I said this earlier in fact but I’m a so-called UVA poster so I was dismissed out of hand.

The joke used to be that JMU stood for Just Missed UVA. That’s not true of JMU or any other school in VA outside of W&M and maybe VT. The gap has widened. So you have very good students from VA that can’t / don’t get into those schools but have very good stats and are getting merit offers from OOS flagships. They end up paying less to leave the state and going to better (or at least better known) OOS schools.

So the choice is made for them given UVA’s admission standards, but it’s not a bad choice to have made.

I am smiling as I write this because I have “Morning Joe“ on the TV in the background and they’re talking about how unfair the process is for rich kids to get into best schools. The reporter just said “schools like the Ivy League and elite publics like Virginia and Michigan.” In that order lol. No mention of any of the other out-of-state flagships being discussed in this thread lol.

Re: the bolded, that silly "joke" isn't true for VT, mainly because students often choose VT over UVA to begin with. I know that's hard for you to admit, but it's ok. The rest of us know it to be true.

According to parchment 24 percent of students admitted to both UVA and Tech chose Tech. I guess that’s “often.”

Just for giggles, we should look at %s for kids who choose for STEM. As as engineer, I can tell you the %s are much different.

The 24 percent is for all majors. If you do engineering specifically you’d probably see that nobody goes to Tech over UVA for any other reason.

DP. This is hilarious. I know plenty of people, including two of my own kids, who chose VT over UVA for the humanities and business, respectively. Not STEM or engineering. You seem to be living in a silly little bubble of cluelessness.

Anyone who chooses VT over UVA for the humanities is clueless. That makes even less sense than choosing UVA over VT for engineering.

Interesting. Well, my “clueless” VT humanities grad is doing great, having attended her top choice school, employed in the field of her choice, living in the area of her choice, and making a very nice income - as are her siblings and fellow VT grads. Seems “clueless” is most applicable to misguided dunces like yourself.

+100

Good for her. Tech is a great school and has served her well. But she didn’t get into UVA. You’re not fooling anybody.

Such a sad sad person you are. Who are your friends?

+1
My son had zero desire to apply to UVA and now I understand why. Totally insufferable boosters.

Lol we all know the real reason why your son didn’t apply.

Yes, it's clear to all of us. The insufferable boosters.

+1

You don't know that at all. You don't know if the poster was from UVA or not. You just enjoy anonymously slamming people. Btw, I would agree (I didn't go to UVA) that anyone who goes to VT for humanities has a screw loose if they can get into UVA. For the same reason I was glad my aerospace engineering DD didn't pick Georgia Tech because I was concerned she would change majors and one does not want to be a humanities major at GT.

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Anonymous wrote:to the main question - simply because UVA, VT , WM cant cant all the qualified students and people here have the $$$ to go to OOS schools.

Many students that "just miss" getting into UVA, VT, WM are offered excellent scholarships at other states' flagships-to the point where it's the same or an even lower price.
My kid is a good student but I don't think he has a chance at UVA or VT (engineering.) But with the automatic merit scholarship at Alabama, he'll only be paying about $2k/semester-far cheaper than what he'd have to pay at UVA or VT even if he could get in.

Yea, exactly. I said this earlier in fact but I’m a so-called UVA poster so I was dismissed out of hand.

The joke used to be that JMU stood for Just Missed UVA. That’s not true of JMU or any other school in VA outside of W&M and maybe VT. The gap has widened. So you have very good students from VA that can’t / don’t get into those schools but have very good stats and are getting merit offers from OOS flagships. They end up paying less to leave the state and going to better (or at least better known) OOS schools.

So the choice is made for them given UVA’s admission standards, but it’s not a bad choice to have made.

I am smiling as I write this because I have “Morning Joe“ on the TV in the background and they’re talking about how unfair the process is for rich kids to get into best schools. The reporter just said “schools like the Ivy League and elite publics like Virginia and Michigan.” In that order lol. No mention of any of the other out-of-state flagships being discussed in this thread lol.

Re: the bolded, that silly "joke" isn't true for VT, mainly because students often choose VT over UVA to begin with. I know that's hard for you to admit, but it's ok. The rest of us know it to be true.

According to parchment 24 percent of students admitted to both UVA and Tech chose Tech. I guess that’s “often.”

Just for giggles, we should look at %s for kids who choose for STEM. As as engineer, I can tell you the %s are much different.

The 24 percent is for all majors. If you do engineering specifically you’d probably see that nobody goes to Tech over UVA for any other reason.

DP. This is hilarious. I know plenty of people, including two of my own kids, who chose VT over UVA for the humanities and business, respectively. Not STEM or engineering. You seem to be living in a silly little bubble of cluelessness.

Anyone who chooses VT over UVA for the humanities is clueless. That makes even less sense than choosing UVA over VT for engineering.

Interesting. Well, my “clueless” VT humanities grad is doing great, having attended her top choice school, employed in the field of her choice, living in the area of her choice, and making a very nice income - as are her siblings and fellow VT grads. Seems “clueless” is most applicable to misguided dunces like yourself.

+100

Good for her. Tech is a great school and has served her well. But she didn’t get into UVA. You’re not fooling anybody.

Such a sad sad person you are. Who are your friends?

+1
My son had zero desire to apply to UVA and now I understand why. Totally insufferable boosters.

Lol we all know the real reason why your son didn’t apply.

Yes, it's clear to all of us. The insufferable boosters.

+1

+100

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Anonymous wrote:The European-educated economist has managed to make comments & ask questions without calling anyone a moron. Thank you, doctor. The following are my answers to his questions based on my experiences at a wide range of institutions. I’m sure someone will disagree and call me an idiot, and that is certainly their right.

He asked if a public school bachelor’s can get you into an elite private graduate program, & the answer is absolutely. Such programs are competitive to get into however, so you’d have to have excellent grades, a high GRE score, and enthusiastic letters of recommendation no matter where you studied as an undergrad. But the good news is that even if you have to drop below the top tier of elite graduate programs you can still be studying under professors who earned doctorates at fine universities. It’s not like Harvard, MIT, & Chicago econ professors know what’s going on & everybody else is trying to figure out how to tie their shoes.

Another question was how the undergrad/grad programs relate in the USA. In most (but not all) cases an academic department won’t make a distinction between who teaches undergrads & who teaches graduate students. So, depending on what classes are being offered, the same person could be teaching graduate and undergraduates in the same term. It could very well turn out that some professors tend to teach undergrads or graduate students, but that might be influenced by personal preference or topic, rather than only on level of expertise. And like you said, it’s not unheard of that big names teach even introductory courses. That said, it’s not always the most brilliant professors from whom you’d want to take undergraduate classes. They could be great, or they could get bogged down in detail that isn’t necessary at the undergraduate level. Or they could have personality traits that make them ill-suited to teach novices. When I said that the advantages of the elite universities won’t be manifested in undergraduate classes, it was not because the faculty teaching undergrads would be less qualified, but rather the subject matter will not generally be so advanced that the difference between a true world-class expert and a merely very good scholar will be apparent. In fact some of the best undergraduate experiences I had were in classes completely taught by graduate students.

A big difference between US & Europe is that American undergrads typically take APPROXIMATELY 40% of their courses in their major field. Some will take more, some less. The 40% figure is my guess. But compare that to most European undergraduate programs where typically undergrads focus exclusively on their chosen subject. This difference is a big part of why I made the point of the world-famous professors being overkill for most undergrad programs. Yes, I know there are exceptions….it’s possible at some schools for an undergrad to take perhaps 80% or more of their courses in their field, & need challenges beyond the undergraduate program. And that’s why there are often graduate-level classes they can take, or independent study classes where they would delve into a topic on their own, with occasional guidance from a professor.

Many, many thanks for addressing my questions. This is super helpful and what you say makes a lot of sense.

And again, I fully agree that the biggest name professors are definitely not necessarily the best teachers (which is especially true for less advanced mtrl, though Nils Bohr is famously known to have been the worst physics teacher ever at pretty much any level.)

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Anonymous wrote:I have no issue with UMD but Virginia has better affordable options for the highest achievers; it just does. I grew up in Virginia and went to UVA. I would also have been happy at W&M, or at least I considered going there. In-state was what my parents could afford and it was a fantastic deal. My family is in Maryland and I do not want to limit my kids to in-state.

Highest achievers ?

UMD alum

Larry David - Seinfeld
Jim Henson- muppets
David Simon - the wire
Kenny Kramm- FlavorX
Alex Severinsky - hybrid engine
Harry Smith- pulse Doppler radar
Kevin Plank- underarmour
Sergey Brin - Google
George Laurer - the Universal Price Bar Code
Robert Briskman - launched Sirius Satellite
James Clark - soft contact lenses
Robert Fischell- artificial pancreas, flexible artery stents , rechargeable pacemaker

Russell Marker- the octane system
Tim Sweeney- Epic Games / Fortnite
George Danzig- linear programming
Carl Bernstein- Broke Watergate


Much larger achievers and world/culture/economic impact than any UVA grass of modern times. Additionally UMD has more Nobel, Pulitzer, Academy Award, Emmy, Fields medal alumni than all the Virginia schools put together. That’s why it’s in the B1G 10.

That’s why it’s the joke of the B1G 10 you mean. It’s one of the doormats of the conference.

It has the 3rd highest incoming SAT scores, 4th highest research budget and the 3rd most conference championships. Plus brings one of the most valuable media markets and is located inside the beltway of the Worlds most powerful city.
Picked top 5 in the league this year. A good test will be manhandling uva early in the season.

I think UMD is a fine school, but this just makes you look silly. I am a WI graduate and went to a WI-MD game at UMD. It was laughable. Over 1/2 of the attendees were Badger fans. UMD is great for many things, but it does not have the sports atmosphere of other (legacy) BIG ten schools. Which is fine because it offers other benefits.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no issue with UMD but Virginia has better affordable options for the highest achievers; it just does. I grew up in Virginia and went to UVA. I would also have been happy at W&M, or at least I considered going there. In-state was what my parents could afford and it was a fantastic deal. My family is in Maryland and I do not want to limit my kids to in-state.

Highest achievers ?

UMD alum

Larry David - Seinfeld
Jim Henson- muppets
David Simon - the wire
Kenny Kramm- FlavorX
Alex Severinsky - hybrid engine
Harry Smith- pulse Doppler radar
Kevin Plank- underarmour
Sergey Brin - Google
George Laurer - the Universal Price Bar Code
Robert Briskman - launched Sirius Satellite
James Clark - soft contact lenses
Robert Fischell- artificial pancreas, flexible artery stents , rechargeable pacemaker

Russell Marker- the octane system
Tim Sweeney- Epic Games / Fortnite
George Danzig- linear programming
Carl Bernstein- Broke Watergate


Much larger achievers and world/culture/economic impact than any UVA grass of modern times. Additionally UMD has more Nobel, Pulitzer, Academy Award, Emmy, Fields medal alumni than all the Virginia schools put together. That’s why it’s in the B1G 10.

That’s why it’s the joke of the B1G 10 you mean. It’s one of the doormats of the conference.

It has the 3rd highest incoming SAT scores, 4th highest research budget and the 3rd most conference championships. Plus brings one of the most valuable media markets and is located inside the beltway of the Worlds most powerful city.
Picked top 5 in the league this year. A good test will be manhandling uva early in the season.

I think UMD is a fine school, but this just makes you look silly. I am a WI graduate and went to a WI-MD game at UMD. It was laughable. Over 1/2 of the attendees were Badger fans. UMD is great for many things, but it does not have the sports atmosphere of other (legacy) BIG ten schools. Which is fine because it offers other benefits.

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Anonymous wrote:to the main question - simply because UVA, VT , WM cant cant all the qualified students and people here have the $$$ to go to OOS schools.

Many students that "just miss" getting into UVA, VT, WM are offered excellent scholarships at other states' flagships-to the point where it's the same or an even lower price.
My kid is a good student but I don't think he has a chance at UVA or VT (engineering.) But with the automatic merit scholarship at Alabama, he'll only be paying about $2k/semester-far cheaper than what he'd have to pay at UVA or VT even if he could get in.

Yea, exactly. I said this earlier in fact but I’m a so-called UVA poster so I was dismissed out of hand.

The joke used to be that JMU stood for Just Missed UVA. That’s not true of JMU or any other school in VA outside of W&M and maybe VT. The gap has widened. So you have very good students from VA that can’t / don’t get into those schools but have very good stats and are getting merit offers from OOS flagships. They end up paying less to leave the state and going to better (or at least better known) OOS schools.

So the choice is made for them given UVA’s admission standards, but it’s not a bad choice to have made.

I am smiling as I write this because I have “Morning Joe“ on the TV in the background and they’re talking about how unfair the process is for rich kids to get into best schools. The reporter just said “schools like the Ivy League and elite publics like Virginia and Michigan.” In that order lol. No mention of any of the other out-of-state flagships being discussed in this thread lol.

Re: the bolded, that silly "joke" isn't true for VT, mainly because students often choose VT over UVA to begin with. I know that's hard for you to admit, but it's ok. The rest of us know it to be true.

According to parchment 24 percent of students admitted to both UVA and Tech chose Tech. I guess that’s “often.”

Just for giggles, we should look at %s for kids who choose for STEM. As as engineer, I can tell you the %s are much different.

The 24 percent is for all majors. If you do engineering specifically you’d probably see that nobody goes to Tech over UVA for any other reason.

DP. This is hilarious. I know plenty of people, including two of my own kids, who chose VT over UVA for the humanities and business, respectively. Not STEM or engineering. You seem to be living in a silly little bubble of cluelessness.

Anyone who chooses VT over UVA for the humanities is clueless. That makes even less sense than choosing UVA over VT for engineering.

Interesting. Well, my “clueless” VT humanities grad is doing great, having attended her top choice school, employed in the field of her choice, living in the area of her choice, and making a very nice income - as are her siblings and fellow VT grads. Seems “clueless” is most applicable to misguided dunces like yourself.

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Good for her. Tech is a great school and has served her well. But she didn’t get into UVA. You’re not fooling anybody.

Such a sad sad person you are. Who are your friends?

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My son had zero desire to apply to UVA and now I understand why. Totally insufferable boosters.

Lol we all know the real reason why your son didn’t apply.

Yes, it's clear to all of us. The insufferable boosters.

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You don't know that at all. You don't know if the poster was from UVA or not. You just enjoy anonymously slamming people. Btw, I would agree (I didn't go to UVA) that anyone who goes to VT for humanities has a screw loose if they can get into UVA. For the same reason I was glad my aerospace engineering DD didn't pick Georgia Tech because I was concerned she would change majors and one does not want to be a humanities major at GT.

DP. You are an idiot. You do realize all “tech” schools also have Arts & Sciences colleges, humanities, social sciences , etc? Maybe you should get out a bit more. Google is your friend. And it’s abundantly clear you and the other trolls are the usual UVA boosters. No wonder you people repulse so many.

DP. We all know that. We aren't all idiots (are you a bully in real life?). We do know that Tech schools sometimes have those courses but it doesn't make it smart to attend those Tech schools for a humanities degree. It just isn't smart.

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Anonymous wrote:to the main question - simply because UVA, VT , WM cant cant all the qualified students and people here have the $$$ to go to OOS schools.

Many students that "just miss" getting into UVA, VT, WM are offered excellent scholarships at other states' flagships-to the point where it's the same or an even lower price.
My kid is a good student but I don't think he has a chance at UVA or VT (engineering.) But with the automatic merit scholarship at Alabama, he'll only be paying about $2k/semester-far cheaper than what he'd have to pay at UVA or VT even if he could get in.

Yea, exactly. I said this earlier in fact but I’m a so-called UVA poster so I was dismissed out of hand.

The joke used to be that JMU stood for Just Missed UVA. That’s not true of JMU or any other school in VA outside of W&M and maybe VT. The gap has widened. So you have very good students from VA that can’t / don’t get into those schools but have very good stats and are getting merit offers from OOS flagships. They end up paying less to leave the state and going to better (or at least better known) OOS schools.

So the choice is made for them given UVA’s admission standards, but it’s not a bad choice to have made.

I am smiling as I write this because I have “Morning Joe“ on the TV in the background and they’re talking about how unfair the process is for rich kids to get into best schools. The reporter just said “schools like the Ivy League and elite publics like Virginia and Michigan.” In that order lol. No mention of any of the other out-of-state flagships being discussed in this thread lol.

Re: the bolded, that silly "joke" isn't true for VT, mainly because students often choose VT over UVA to begin with. I know that's hard for you to admit, but it's ok. The rest of us know it to be true.

According to parchment 24 percent of students admitted to both UVA and Tech chose Tech. I guess that’s “often.”

Just for giggles, we should look at %s for kids who choose for STEM. As as engineer, I can tell you the %s are much different.

The 24 percent is for all majors. If you do engineering specifically you’d probably see that nobody goes to Tech over UVA for any other reason.

DP. This is hilarious. I know plenty of people, including two of my own kids, who chose VT over UVA for the humanities and business, respectively. Not STEM or engineering. You seem to be living in a silly little bubble of cluelessness.

Anyone who chooses VT over UVA for the humanities is clueless. That makes even less sense than choosing UVA over VT for engineering.

Interesting. Well, my “clueless” VT humanities grad is doing great, having attended her top choice school, employed in the field of her choice, living in the area of her choice, and making a very nice income - as are her siblings and fellow VT grads. Seems “clueless” is most applicable to misguided dunces like yourself.

+100

Good for her. Tech is a great school and has served her well. But she didn’t get into UVA. You’re not fooling anybody.

Such a sad sad person you are. Who are your friends?

+1
My son had zero desire to apply to UVA and now I understand why. Totally insufferable boosters.

Lol we all know the real reason why your son didn’t apply.

Yes, it's clear to all of us. The insufferable boosters.

+1

You don't know that at all. You don't know if the poster was from UVA or not. You just enjoy anonymously slamming people. Btw, I would agree (I didn't go to UVA) that anyone who goes to VT for humanities has a screw loose if they can get into UVA. For the same reason I was glad my aerospace engineering DD didn't pick Georgia Tech because I was concerned she would change majors and one does not want to be a humanities major at GT.

DP. You are an idiot. You do realize all “tech” schools also have Arts & Sciences colleges, humanities, social sciences , etc? Maybe you should get out a bit more. Google is your friend. And it’s abundantly clear you and the other trolls are the usual UVA boosters. No wonder you people repulse so many.

DP. We all know that. We aren't all idiots (are you a bully in real life?). We do know that Tech schools sometimes have those courses but it doesn't make it smart to attend those Tech schools for a humanities degree. It just isn't smart.

Can you give an example why it’s not smart to major in history at Virginia Tech?

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Anonymous wrote:to the main question - simply because UVA, VT , WM cant cant all the qualified students and people here have the $$$ to go to OOS schools.

Many students that "just miss" getting into UVA, VT, WM are offered excellent scholarships at other states' flagships-to the point where it's the same or an even lower price.
My kid is a good student but I don't think he has a chance at UVA or VT (engineering.) But with the automatic merit scholarship at Alabama, he'll only be paying about $2k/semester-far cheaper than what he'd have to pay at UVA or VT even if he could get in.

Yea, exactly. I said this earlier in fact but I’m a so-called UVA poster so I was dismissed out of hand.

The joke used to be that JMU stood for Just Missed UVA. That’s not true of JMU or any other school in VA outside of W&M and maybe VT. The gap has widened. So you have very good students from VA that can’t / don’t get into those schools but have very good stats and are getting merit offers from OOS flagships. They end up paying less to leave the state and going to better (or at least better known) OOS schools.

So the choice is made for them given UVA’s admission standards, but it’s not a bad choice to have made.

I am smiling as I write this because I have “Morning Joe“ on the TV in the background and they’re talking about how unfair the process is for rich kids to get into best schools. The reporter just said “schools like the Ivy League and elite publics like Virginia and Michigan.” In that order lol. No mention of any of the other out-of-state flagships being discussed in this thread lol.

Re: the bolded, that silly "joke" isn't true for VT, mainly because students often choose VT over UVA to begin with. I know that's hard for you to admit, but it's ok. The rest of us know it to be true.

According to parchment 24 percent of students admitted to both UVA and Tech chose Tech. I guess that’s “often.”

Just for giggles, we should look at %s for kids who choose for STEM. As as engineer, I can tell you the %s are much different.

The 24 percent is for all majors. If you do engineering specifically you’d probably see that nobody goes to Tech over UVA for any other reason.

DP. This is hilarious. I know plenty of people, including two of my own kids, who chose VT over UVA for the humanities and business, respectively. Not STEM or engineering. You seem to be living in a silly little bubble of cluelessness.

Anyone who chooses VT over UVA for the humanities is clueless. That makes even less sense than choosing UVA over VT for engineering.

Interesting. Well, my “clueless” VT humanities grad is doing great, having attended her top choice school, employed in the field of her choice, living in the area of her choice, and making a very nice income - as are her siblings and fellow VT grads. Seems “clueless” is most applicable to misguided dunces like yourself.

+100

Good for her. Tech is a great school and has served her well. But she didn’t get into UVA. You’re not fooling anybody.

Such a sad sad person you are. Who are your friends?

+1
My son had zero desire to apply to UVA and now I understand why. Totally insufferable boosters.

Lol we all know the real reason why your son didn’t apply.

Yes, it's clear to all of us. The insufferable boosters.

+1

You don't know that at all. You don't know if the poster was from UVA or not. You just enjoy anonymously slamming people. Btw, I would agree (I didn't go to UVA) that anyone who goes to VT for humanities has a screw loose if they can get into UVA. For the same reason I was glad my aerospace engineering DD didn't pick Georgia Tech because I was concerned she would change majors and one does not want to be a humanities major at GT.

DP. You are an idiot. You do realize all “tech” schools also have Arts & Sciences colleges, humanities, social sciences , etc? Maybe you should get out a bit more. Google is your friend. And it’s abundantly clear you and the other trolls are the usual UVA boosters. No wonder you peop
le repulse so many.

DP. We all know that. We aren't all idiots (are you a bully in real life?). We do know that Tech schools sometimes have those courses but it doesn't make it smart to attend those Tech schools for a humanities degree. It just isn't smart.

A bully perfectly describes you. What kind of person tells others what is and isn't "smart," based on zero evidence or information? And if we're going by your "logic," then it "just isn't smart" to major in a STEM/tech field at a school that isn't known for those fields. Right? Please educate yourself and stop making absurd claims that everyone knows are ludicrous.

https://iac.gatech.edu/academics/undergraduate/bs
https://liberalarts.vt.edu/academics/majors-and-minors/majors.html
https://shass.mit.edu/undergraduate/majors
https://www.hss.caltech.edu/undergraduate-studies

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Anonymous wrote:to the main question - simply because UVA, VT , WM cant cant all the qualified students and people here have the $$$ to go to OOS schools.

Many students that "just miss" getting into UVA, VT, WM are offered excellent scholarships at other states' flagships-to the point where it's the same or an even lower price.
My kid is a good student but I don't think he has a chance at UVA or VT (engineering.) But with the automatic merit scholarship at Alabama, he'll only be paying about $2k/semester-far cheaper than what he'd have to pay at UVA or VT even if he could get in.

Yea, exactly. I said this earlier in fact but I’m a so-called UVA poster so I was dismissed out of hand.

The joke used to be that JMU stood for Just Missed UVA. That’s not true of JMU or any other school in VA outside of W&M and maybe VT. The gap has widened. So you have very good students from VA that can’t / don’t get into those schools but have very good stats and are getting merit offers from OOS flagships. They end up paying less to leave the state and going to better (or at least better known) OOS schools.

So the choice is made for them given UVA’s admission standards, but it’s not a bad choice to have made.

I am smiling as I write this because I have “Morning Joe“ on the TV in the background and they’re talking about how unfair the process is for rich kids to get into best schools. The reporter just said “schools like the Ivy League and elite publics like Virginia and Michigan.” In that order lol. No mention of any of the other out-of-state flagships being discussed in this thread lol.

Re: the bolded, that silly "joke" isn't true for VT, mainly because students often choose VT over UVA to begin with. I know that's hard for you to admit, but it's ok. The rest of us know it to be true.

According to parchment 24 percent of students admitted to both UVA and Tech chose Tech. I guess that’s “often.”

Just for giggles, we should look at %s for kids who choose for STEM. As as engineer, I can tell you the %s are much different.

The 24 percent is for all majors. If you do engineering specifically you’d probably see that nobody goes to Tech over UVA for any other reason.

DP. This is hilarious. I know plenty of people, including two of my own kids, who chose VT over UVA for the humanities and business, respectively. Not STEM or engineering. You seem to be living in a silly little bubble of cluelessness.

Anyone who chooses VT over UVA for the humanities is clueless. That makes even less sense than choosing UVA over VT for engineering.

Interesting. Well, my “clueless” VT humanities grad is doing great, having attended her top choice school, employed in the field of her choice, living in the area of her choice, and making a very nice income - as are her siblings and fellow VT grads. Seems “clueless” is most applicable to misguided dunces like yourself.

+100

Good for her. Tech is a great school and has served her well. But she didn’t get into UVA. You’re not fooling anybody.

Such a sad sad person you are. Who are your friends?

+1
My son had zero desire to apply to UVA and now I understand why. Totally insufferable boosters.

Lol we all know the real reason why your son didn’t apply.

Yes, it's clear to all of us. The insufferable boosters.

+1

You don't know that at all. You don't know if the poster was from UVA or not. You just enjoy anonymously slamming people. Btw, I would agree (I didn't go to UVA) that anyone who goes to VT for humanities has a screw loose if they can get into UVA. For the same reason I was glad my aerospace engineering DD didn't pick Georgia Tech because I was concerned she would change majors and one does not want to be a humanities major at GT.

DP. You are an idiot. You do realize all “tech” schools also have Arts & Sciences colleges, humanities, social sciences , etc? Maybe you should get out a bit more. Google is your friend. And it’s abundantly clear you and the other trolls are the usual UVA boosters. No wonder you people repulse so many.

DP. We all know that. We aren't all idiots (are you a bully in real life?). We do know that Tech schools sometimes have those courses but it doesn't make it smart to attend those Tech schools for a humanities degree. It just isn't smart.

Can you give an example why it’s not smart to major in history at Virginia Tech?

DP. Because the PP SAYS so, silly!

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Majoring in history at VT is a little like ordering steak at Red Lobster, but hey, it’s undergrad. One of the smartest people I know has a Yale humanities PhD and he had to settle for a full-time job as a prof at a college that is significantly below VT level. I would imagine the VT humanities & social science professors are way more than adequate to teach undergraduates.