US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe colleges can draw more heavily from low income, diverse high schools. The biggest losers might be the wealthy AA and Hispanic kids

+1. If they look at the top 5% of each high school, they can still reach their goals. Many schools have a higher population of minorities than others.

They will follow the TJ model.

What's TJ model

[Anonymous]

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Yeah!

- Asian.

I co-sign this and I’m black.

I hate race-based affirmative action for “diversity” reasons and completely agree with Justice Thomas on how stigmatizing it is for black students at elite schools. It bothers me to no end how every one (especially on DCUM) readily dismisses conservative black voices as if we are some imaginary creatures that cannot possibly diverge from liberal stereotypes. (I’m looking at you, Biden, with your “you’re not black if you don’t vote for me” crap.)

News flash: pull up a Pew poll, even among African Americans, a majority did NOT support race-based admissions advantages for college.

I did not vote for Trump but I considered it. And I am grateful for his appointments to the Supreme Court because they’ve restored sanity to the interpretation of the Constitution.

Interesting that Thomas has not resigned the Supreme Court position that he got via a now-illegal race-based preference.

How was his selection race-based? Do you think Sotomayor’s or Jackson’s was? Do you have anything intelligent to say in response to this post? No? Great, I’m opening a bottle of champagne. Thank you, SCOTUS!

I believe PP was pointing to Thomas' college admissions being race-based preference...

No, that’s not what the PP said.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Yeah!

- Asian.

I co-sign this and I’m black.

I hate race-based affirmative action for “diversity” reasons and completely agree with Justice Thomas on how stigmatizing it is for black students at elite schools. It bothers me to no end how every one (especially on DCUM) readily dismisses conservative black voices as if we are some imaginary creatures that cannot possibly diverge from liberal stereotypes. (I’m looking at you, Biden, with your “you’re not black if you don’t vote for me” crap.)

News flash: pull up a Pew poll, even among African Americans, a majority did NOT support race-based admissions advantages for college.

I did not vote for Trump but I considered it. And I am grateful for his appointments to the Supreme Court because they’ve restored sanity to the interpretation of the Constitution.

Black kids at good colleges will now get the credit and respect they deserve.

The same respect that a Black President gets!

The same respect that a Black person trying to buy or sell a house gets!

The same respect that a Black person driving a car or walking down the street gets!

I’m a black person who’s gotten respect doing all of these things! Thanks!

No self-respecting Black person refers to themselves as black.

Get over yourself. I don’t capitalize it because I’m not constantly trying to follow whatever late-breaking fad has been thought up to signal your membership in the liberal tribe. I also, gasp, don’t use BIPOC!

You’re not Black, troll. No one believes your poor attempt at digital blackface. Move along.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Funny how people are missing the fact that AA largely benefits WHITE WOMEN.

In employment yes, but not in college admissions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:President Obama issued a statement that supports the decision in a subtle manner.

First Lady Obama also issued a statement that acknowledges the decision and recognizes that some must work harder.

Neither expressed any type of outrage or anger or even strong disappointment at the decision.

Links? This is great if true!

My interpretation from a brief article today (6/29/2023) in thehill.com & from CNN news report on the statements.

Easy to goggle. Article title" Obama says affirmative action allowed generations of students to prove that we belonged

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My impression is that this decision means:

Race cannot be an objective factor in the college admissions process, but it can be a subjective factor.

It has always been subjective factor.
They can't use it anymore.

That is not the holding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My impression is that this decision means:

Race cannot be an objective factor in the college admissions process, but it can be a subjective factor.

It has always been subjective factor.
They can't use it anymore.

Not exactly, the court ruling doesn't shoot down that colleges cannot be influenced by the impact that race has had on an individual. Therefore, if in an essay a student can explain how racism has shaped their access, experiences, motivations, admissions officers can take that into account. Likewise if a LoR letter highlights how a student has experienced racism yet prevailed etc. that can also be used.
I've seen some college admissions officers say that this decision will likely expand admissions based on the experiences of racism resulting in an even more diverse campus. I think this will open up some of the diversity issues within the Asian American and Hispanic groups in the US too--they can make a case through essays about their experiences of racism. This may give the colleges even more leeway to create diverse classes. I guess we'll see. My guess is that large public school systems that don't use essays signficantly in admissions might become less diverse, but elite private schools might become even more diverse.

[Anonymous]

Some posters say that the SC overturned a racist law. They didn’t overturn a law. They overturned an interpretation and application of a law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Yeah!

- Asian.

I co-sign this and I’m black.

I hate race-based affirmative action for “diversity” reasons and completely agree with Justice Thomas on how stigmatizing it is for black students at elite schools. It bothers me to no end how every one (especially on DCUM) readily dismisses conservative black voices as if we are some imaginary creatures that cannot possibly diverge from liberal stereotypes. (I’m looking at you, Biden, with your “you’re not black if you don’t vote for me” crap.)

News flash: pull up a Pew poll, even among African Americans, a majority did NOT support race-based admissions advantages for college.

I did not vote for Trump but I considered it. And I am grateful for his appointments to the Supreme Court because they’ve restored sanity to the interpretation of the Constitution.

Agree. Some of my kids’ AA friends have said as much. People assume they don’t really belong to be there. They work twice as hard to prove them wrong.

I don't see that changing for them, unfortunately. The kids who don't get into Harvard still want to point fingers at those who did, instead of just accepting that they didn't have the combination of whatever factors to make them one of the lucky admits. That won't change.

It's not just pointing fingers. Kids know each others' stats and rigor and generally about their ECs. Even if you support AA, it's often very clear when higher stats kids are not taken and URM, legacy, VIP are. No complaints here and no pointing fingers. These kids will all succeed at the colleges despite not having the highest stats (which is not to say they do not have HIGH stats, just not the highest among peers). Colleges can choose who they want - if they don't want you, they don't want you.

I think anyone given an advantage should just accept that and stop getting wounded - your kid did great and got into a great school - but at least acknowlege to yourself that there are kids that were also great (and more great on paper) that didn't meet the institutional need of the school like your kid did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Yeah!

- Asian.

I co-sign this and I’m black.

I hate race-based affirmative action for “diversity” reasons and completely agree with Justice Thomas on how stigmatizing it is for black students at elite schools. It bothers me to no end how every one (especially on DCUM) readily dismisses conservative black voices as if we are some imaginary creatures that cannot possibly diverge from liberal stereotypes. (I’m looking at you, Biden, with your “you’re not black if you don’t vote for me” crap.)

News flash: pull up a Pew poll, even among African Americans, a majority did NOT support race-based admissions advantages for college.

I did not vote for Trump but I considered it. And I am grateful for his appointments to the Supreme Court because they’ve restored sanity to the interpretation of the Constitution.

Black kids at good colleges will now get the credit and respect they deserve.

The same respect that a Black President gets!

The same respect that a Black person trying to buy or sell a house gets!

The same respect that a Black person driving a car or walking down the street gets!

I’m a black person who’s gotten respect doing all of these things! Thanks!

No self-respecting Black person refers to themselves as black.

Get over yourself. I don’t capitalize it because I’m not constantly trying to follow whatever late-breaking fad has been thought up to signal your membership in the liberal tribe. I also, gasp, don’t use BIPOC!

You’re not Black, troll. No one believes your poor attempt at digital blackface. Move along.

What is it that prevents you from accepting that a black person can have a different opinion than you? In what other contexts or with what other races do you deny people the possibility of thinking for themselves?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My impression is that this decision means:

Race cannot be an objective factor in the college admissions process, but it can be a subjective factor.

It has always been subjective factor.
They can't use it anymore.

Not exactly, the court ruling doesn't shoot down that colleges cannot be influenced by the impact that race has had on an individual. Therefore, if in an essay a student can explain how racism has shaped their access, experiences, motivations, admissions officers can take that into account. Likewise if a LoR letter highlights how a student has experienced racism yet prevailed etc. that can also be used.
I've seen some college admissions officers say that this decision will likely expand admissions based on the experiences of racism resulting in an even more diverse campus. I think this will open up some of the diversity issues within the Asian American and Hispanic groups in the US too--they can make a case through essays about their experiences of racism. This may give the colleges even more leeway to create diverse classes. I guess we'll see. My guess is that large public school systems that don't use essays signficantly in admissions might become less diverse, but elite private schools might become even more diverse.

(OP here): I agree with the above post.

The decision means that race can still be used as a subjective factor in considering an individual's application for admission, but race cannot b used as an objective factor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My impression is that this decision means:

Race cannot be an objective factor in the college admissions process, but it can be a subjective factor.

It has always been subjective factor.
They can't use it anymore.

Not exactly, the court ruling doesn't shoot down that colleges cannot be influenced by the impact that race has had on an individual. Therefore, if in an essay a student can explain how racism has shaped their access, experiences, motivations, admissions officers can take that into account. Likewise if a LoR letter highlights how a student has experienced racism yet prevailed etc. that can also be used.
I've seen some college admissions officers say that this decision will likely expand admissions based on the experiences of racism resulting in an even more diverse campus. I think this will open up some of the diversity issues within the Asian American and Hispanic groups in the US too--they can make a case through essays about their experiences of racism. This may give the colleges even more leeway to create diverse classes. I guess we'll see. My guess is that large public school systems that don't use essays signficantly in admissions might become less diverse, but elite private schools might become even more diverse.

Racial discrimination is one of the social hardships among many.
Asian students experiene that too.

If the school systematically give more points to Blacks studetns racial discrimination harship, say hello to flood of lawsuits.

[Anonymous]

Can’t wait to see VA Tech pivot on their 50 percent minority target - they better get a new AO because I don’t think the current ones will be able to comply with the law - they are too committed to their agenda.

[Anonymous]

One of the criticisms the SC had of check-the-box race decisions was that they were too broad to achieve college diversity goals. For example, the Asian box doesn’t ensure representation of all Asians. This could be a net negative for Asians of populous cultures in America, like those of Chinese, Korean, and Japanese descent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One of the criticisms the SC had of check-the-box race decisions was that they were too broad to achieve college diversity goals. For example, the Asian box doesn’t ensure representation of all Asians. This could be a net negative for Asians of populous cultures in America, like those of Chinese, Korean, and Japanese descent.

Indian too.