Apple river tubing killing

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You leave. You leave and you call the police. He had time to leave and call the police. At the end of the day, it was a cell phone. Leave it. You can get a new cell phone; you can’t get back a dead teen, or your ruined life.

You leave and you call the police.

It’s like we tell our kids: you don’t fight, you don’t hit, you don’t get violent, you walk away and ask for help.

He was under no obligation to leave. He wanted to keep looking for the phone. They didn’t have to surround him, continue to harrass him, and start a physical altercation first.

Never said they were justified in doing what they did. What I did say was—in any escalating, dangerous situation—YOU LEAVE. And he had the opportunity to do so. Now a teen is dead, and he will go to jail for life or will have some other significant sentence. He will be separated from his family. He will pay exorbitant legal fees. He will think about this every day for the rest of his life. And a teen is dead. If that was your teenage son or daughter, would you have wanted this guy to “stand his ground”? You walk away. Period.

You leave? Is that what the police are supposed to do? back down anytime they are challenged or attacked? Thought not.

Let me tell you something to share with any of you who have stupid kids like this. I conceal carry and will absolutely end their lives if they threaten or attack me or a member of my party. That's called real life. I defend myself. I don't rely on others.

Looking forward to seeing your sketchy mugshot on the Fox5 website someday! Enjoy your time in jail. Your “concealed carry” won’t help you when Big Rick and the boys sniff around the fresh meat.

Liberals like yourself are so bizarre in how you defend career violent criminals and then gleefully criminalize their victims.

[Anonymous]

Tsk, tsk, liar, liar:

"Miu told investigators that he didn't have a knife on the river, according to the complaint. He said he used a knife to cut string holding his group's tubes together, but he thought he left it in his Jeep. He said the knife he used was one that he had taken from someone else during the fight.

In reviewing a video shot by witness Jawahn Cockfield, investigator Mitchell Schaeppi of the St. Croix County Sheriff's Office reported in the complaint that he could see a knife clipped to Miu's right pocket. Miu removed the knife, opened the blade and held it at his side, Schaeppi wrote.

A witness, Owen Lee Peloquin, also told an investigator that he saw a knife in Miu's pocket and then in Miu's hand. He said it had a 3-inch blade, a large pocket clip and was foldable.

Investigators searching the river on the day of the stabbings found a knife in the river a short distance from where the confrontation took place. It had a black handle, silver blade and silver clip and was folded closed."

https://www.startribune.com/self-defense-claim-in-apple-river-case-could-hinge-on-weapon-suspects-fears/600196500/

[Anonymous]

Anyone following this trial?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone following this trial?

Just started seeing clips on YouTube today. I am fascinated.

[Anonymous]

I remember this case! Blast from the past. Interested to see how it turns out.

[Anonymous]

Now that I’ve seen the video, and how the kids were harassing him, I hope he gets off. The whole knifing was over in seconds. He was trying to get those kids away from him, after being pushed down into the water more than once. Those kids were aggressive a$$holes and I would have been scared too.

[Anonymous]

I’ve watched much of the trial and am anxious for the verdict. I’m a former prosecutor and defense attorney so I bring that experience.

Miu really messed up lying to the police - I think he’s just a scared person who was afraid of the consequences but I also think he was legitimately scared of that ‘pack of wolves’ that surrounded him - a group of very intoxicated teenagers taking on a guy who is overweight, out of shape and only a year or two since he’d had open heart surgery. He described having tunnel vision and not being able to really hear what was being said to him but just being fearful for his life after they pushed him into the water twice and he fell back into the river rocks.

They shouldn’t have confronted him, and he shouldn’t have been expected to go away just because they demanded he go - the river doesn’t belong to them.

Having done criminal law for some years, I know that people act all sorts of ways and even good people can lie under the pressure of an aberrant situation. I think his lifelong good character and zero history of violence or any criminality should weigh in his favor but it will be interesting to see what the jury decides - most of them are in his age group so that may influence their decision.

I’m his age and I just spent several weeks working with kids at a youth development program and I quit after seeing some students physically assault a staff member- I didn’t want to wait for my turn. I hate to say ‘kids these days,’ but a lot of kids are feral these days and you add a lot of intoxicants and the mob mentality, that is a recipe for disaster.

I think he was truly scared. I don’t think he intended to kill anyone and was truly trying to get them to back off. It’s too bad he didn’t know better than to speak to the police and that he lied, most likely out of fear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ve watched much of the trial and am anxious for the verdict. I’m a former prosecutor and defense attorney so I bring that experience.

Miu really messed up lying to the police - I think he’s just a scared person who was afraid of the consequences but I also think he was legitimately scared of that ‘pack of wolves’ that surrounded him - a group of very intoxicated teenagers taking on a guy who is overweight, out of shape and only a year or two since he’d had open heart surgery. He described having tunnel vision and not being able to really hear what was being said to him but just being fearful for his life after they pushed him into the water twice and he fell back into the river rocks.

They shouldn’t have confronted him, and he shouldn’t have been expected to go away just because they demanded he go - the river doesn’t belong to them.

Having done criminal law for some years, I know that people act all sorts of ways and even good people can lie under the pressure of an aberrant situation. I think his lifelong good character and zero history of violence or any criminality should weigh in his favor but it will be interesting to see what the jury decides - most of them are in his age group so that may influence their decision.

I’m his age and I just spent several weeks working with kids at a youth development program and I quit after seeing some students physically assault a staff member- I didn’t want to wait for my turn. I hate to say ‘kids these days,’ but a lot of kids are feral these days and you add a lot of intoxicants and the mob mentality, that is a recipe for disaster.

I think he was truly scared. I don’t think he intended to kill anyone and was truly trying to get them to back off. It’s too bad he didn’t know better than to speak to the police and that he lied, most likely out of fear.

Those "intoxicants" are medication.

[Anonymous]

Corey Chirafisi, the lead defense for Miu, knocked it out of the park with his closing argument. I’ve seen many trials in my time as a defender and prosecutor, and watched many trials all around the country on Court TV over the years - this was one of the best closings I’ve ever seen. Miu got his money’s worth, whatever the outcome - but I really think the jury will acquit.

[Anonymous]

I’ve been following and hope he gets off. The behavior of the teens was and it was reasonable that he was scared. I’m sorry the kid died and sorry that some of the others are clearly traumatized but I also hope they’ve spent some time thinking about their own culpability. Did the case go to the jury today?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Corey Chirafisi, the lead defense for Miu, knocked it out of the park with his closing argument. I’ve seen many trials in my time as a defender and prosecutor, and watched many trials all around the country on Court TV over the years - this was one of the best closings I’ve ever seen. Miu got his money’s worth, whatever the outcome - but I really think the jury will acquit.

Corey is well known and well liked in WI/Madison legal circles. Somebody advised Miu well to hire Chirafisi.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve watched much of the trial and am anxious for the verdict. I’m a former prosecutor and defense attorney so I bring that experience.

Miu really messed up lying to the police - I think he’s just a scared person who was afraid of the consequences but I also think he was legitimately scared of that ‘pack of wolves’ that surrounded him - a group of very intoxicated teenagers taking on a guy who is overweight, out of shape and only a year or two since he’d had open heart surgery. He described having tunnel vision and not being able to really hear what was being said to him but just being fearful for his life after they pushed him into the water twice and he fell back into the river rocks.

They shouldn’t have confronted him, and he shouldn’t have been expected to go away just because they demanded he go - the river doesn’t belong to them.

Having done criminal law for some years, I know that people act all sorts of ways and even good people can lie under the pressure of an aberrant situation. I think his lifelong good character and zero history of violence or any criminality should weigh in his favor but it will be interesting to see what the jury decides - most of them are in his age group so that may influence their decision.

I’m his age and I just spent several weeks working with kids at a youth development program and I quit after seeing some students physically assault a staff member- I didn’t want to wait for my turn. I hate to say ‘kids these days,’ but a lot of kids are feral these days and you add a lot of intoxicants and the mob mentality, that is a recipe for disaster.

I think he was truly scared. I don’t think he intended to kill anyone and was truly trying to get them to back off. It’s too bad he didn’t know better than to speak to the police and that he lied, most likely out of fear.

Those "intoxicants" are medication.

Are you talking about kids in schools?

Because those kids on the river were hammered on alcohol and stoned on marijuana. I recognize some people use marijuana medicinally, but these kids were just high and drunk and aggressive and acting like a mob.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ve been following and hope he gets off. The behavior of the teens was and it was reasonable that he was scared. I’m sorry the kid died and sorry that some of the others are clearly traumatized but I also hope they’ve spent some time thinking about their own culpability. Did the case go to the jury today?

They are 1 hour 15 minutes into deliberations. I would bet on a verdict today, but maybe they will take the night to sleep on it.

[Anonymous]

It's been a long time since I read up on this incident, so I may have my facts wrong. Didn't the kids say this man had been harassing them, and specifically, harassing some of the girls in the group? Or was this disproven already?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's been a long time since I read up on this incident, so I may have my facts wrong. Didn't the kids say this man had been harassing them, and specifically, harassing some of the girls in the group? Or was this disproven already?

Most of them testified and they did very poorly on the stand. Some of them testified that Miu told them he was ‘looking for little girls,’ but the lead investigator testified that none of them ever told police he said that.

They were clearly lying and very much not credible witnesses. They know they harassed him - they called him a raper and pedophile as they surrounded and taunted him, and they were recording it on their phones, no doubt for Tik Tok or Facebook fame.

There was zero evidence he was doing anything nefarious, and in fact police later found the phone he was looking for in the river just as he claimed as the reason he was snorkeling near them to begin with.

I feel sorry for the dead kid’s family of course, but he was in the wrong and so were his buddies.