Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone

[Anonymous]

I think will find her body and her autopsy will given them COD. He’s toast, but these things take time. He’s not smart enough to disappear her forever.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So many of these threads. I think Jeff needs to create a new section for True Crime or Mysterious Deaths.

I think this is a GREAT idea!

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Curious as to how many of the posts will be about missing POC.

"A 2019 report compiled by the Congressional Research Service reveals that African Americans are overrepresented in the number of missing persons cases compared to the population as a whole. The FBI estimates that some 64,000 Black women and girls are currently missing."

https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/RL34616.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So many of these threads. I think Jeff needs to create a new section for True Crime or Mysterious Deaths.

I think this is a GREAT idea!

+2

+3

Curious as to how many of the posts will be about missing POC.

"A 2019 report compiled by the Congressional Research Service reveals that African Americans are overrepresented in the number of missing persons cases compared to the population as a whole. The FBI estimates that some 64,000 Black women and girls are currently missing."

https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/RL34616.pdf

Feel free to start some for our discussion!

[Anonymous]

OOooh. I just came up with a theory to tie together the murdered couple and Gabby and Brian. NOTE: I AM TOTALLY MAKING THIS UP.

Gabby and Brian meet the couple (Crystal and Kylen) while camping. Both couples are living out of vans (Gabby and Brian for this trip, and Crystal and Kylen as their lifestyle), so it's not crazy they'd meet each other. They hang out one night and the women exchange numbers. Later, Brian finds messages on Gabby's phone from either Crystal/Kylen and is jealous and enraged. He drives them to Moonflower Co-op where either Crystal or Kylen works, to confront the other woman. Gabby loses her mind and then the whole thing with the cops happens, on Aug. 12.

The next night, Brian goes looking for Crystal/Kylen, finds them and shoots them, because he blames them for how things are going poorly with Gabby. The couple is found murdered on Aug. 18. Brian takes the trip home, comes back, and realizes that Gabby knows he did it and is going to turn him in. He kills her.

THE END

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s a stunt to get followers

That’s cruel way to treat her parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OOooh. I just came up with a theory to tie together the murdered couple and Gabby and Brian. NOTE: I AM TOTALLY MAKING THIS UP.

Gabby and Brian meet the couple (Crystal and Kylen) while camping. Both couples are living out of vans (Gabby and Brian for this trip, and Crystal and Kylen as their lifestyle), so it's not crazy they'd meet each other. They hang out one night and the women exchange numbers. Later, Brian finds messages on Gabby's phone from either Crystal/Kylen and is jealous and enraged. He drives them to Moonflower Co-op where either Crystal or Kylen works, to confront the other woman. Gabby loses her mind and then the whole thing with the cops happens, on Aug. 12.

The next night, Brian goes looking for Crystal/Kylen, finds them and shoots them, because he blames them for how things are going poorly with Gabby. The couple is found murdered on Aug. 18. Brian takes the trip home, comes back, and realizes that Gabby knows he did it and is going to turn him in. He kills her.

THE END

Oh, and I just wanted to clarify that the messages from Crystal/Kylen to Gabby, in this theory, would not have needed to be sexual or whatever. Crystal/Kylen may have texted Gabby that she should leave her jerk boyfriend or something like that, and that set him off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OOooh. I just came up with a theory to tie together the murdered couple and Gabby and Brian. NOTE: I AM TOTALLY MAKING THIS UP.

Gabby and Brian meet the couple (Crystal and Kylen) while camping. Both couples are living out of vans (Gabby and Brian for this trip, and Crystal and Kylen as their lifestyle), so it's not crazy they'd meet each other. They hang out one night and the women exchange numbers. Later, Brian finds messages on Gabby's phone from either Crystal/Kylen and is jealous and enraged. He drives them to Moonflower Co-op where either Crystal or Kylen works, to confront the other woman. Gabby loses her mind and then the whole thing with the cops happens, on Aug. 12.

The next night, Brian goes looking for Crystal/Kylen, finds them and shoots them, because he blames them for how things are going poorly with Gabby. The couple is found murdered on Aug. 18. Brian takes the trip home, comes back, and realizes that Gabby knows he did it and is going to turn him in. He kills her.

THE END

According to people at Moonflower they didn’t even know about the Aug. 12 incident until later, so this seems like a stretch. If he attempted to go in there and confront anyone, it seems likely someone else in there would know. Based on public statements, nobody knew.

It’s a weird coincidence and a connection can’t be ruled out, but the timeline is tough to reconcile between the two cases. Super weird though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s a stunt to get followers

No

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OOooh. I just came up with a theory to tie together the murdered couple and Gabby and Brian. NOTE: I AM TOTALLY MAKING THIS UP.

Gabby and Brian meet the couple (Crystal and Kylen) while camping. Both couples are living out of vans (Gabby and Brian for this trip, and Crystal and Kylen as their lifestyle), so it's not crazy they'd meet each other. They hang out one night and the women exchange numbers. Later, Brian finds messages on Gabby's phone from either Crystal/Kylen and is jealous and enraged. He drives them to Moonflower Co-op where either Crystal or Kylen works, to confront the other woman. Gabby loses her mind and then the whole thing with the cops happens, on Aug. 12.

The next night, Brian goes looking for Crystal/Kylen, finds them and shoots them, because he blames them for how things are going poorly with Gabby. The couple is found murdered on Aug. 18. Brian takes the trip home, comes back, and realizes that Gabby knows he did it and is going to turn him in. He kills her.

THE END

According to people at Moonflower they didn’t even know about the Aug. 12 incident until later, so this seems like a stretch. If he attempted to go in there and confront anyone, it seems likely someone else in there would know. Based on public statements, nobody knew.

It’s a weird coincidence and a connection can’t be ruled out, but the timeline is tough to reconcile between the two cases. Super weird though.

Well, maybe he didn't end up going in, but had threatened to do so. Then drove off, then the cops stopped them. OK, it's a lot of maybes. The Crystal/Kylen murder is not solved and haven't seen any updates.

[Anonymous]

Moonflower murders is bugging me. On the one hand, one of the women worked there. Assuming it's a small, rural town, all the locals know the murdered woman. The couple was said to be camping at a "locals only" campsite which is free for locals or very inexpensive. Couple tells friends is social media that they're moving to a different campsite because of a creepy guy, and if something happens to them, it's him.

Then Gabby and Brian? It just seems too coincidental. I mean they apparently liked true crime podcasts. Then their fight, but outside the Moonflower on Aug 12th? On Aug 13th, the Moonflower employee and her wife were fatally shot and found at a campsite, either the original one or the one they fled to due to creepy guy.

I didn't get a vibe that Brian was shady from their videos or the police bodycam. He was nervous, very compliant and polite. Just not feeling that nefarious energy. Gabby was very upset, understandably given they had a rough day, she seems very sensitive and she's likely never been in an encounter with law enforcement.

This is going to sound nuts...it's as if Brian witnessed something so terrifying that he literally hauled ass out of there.

Not at all insinuating he's a victim. He may very well have been great in the role he played.

[Anonymous]

Maybe whoever murdered the newlywed couple also murdered Gabbie. Drug dealers traveling through the area?

Brian hauled ass because he was terrified. He doesn't want to talk about it because he's frightened.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s a stunt to get followers

No

DW was wondering the same thing.

[Anonymous]

Remember: it’s always the boyfriend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s a stunt to get followers

No

DW was wondering the same thing.

A bit like that movie on either Amazon or Netflix, The Lie. A staged death for an idiotic reason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Remember: it’s always the boyfriend.

Guessing he knows this as well. Even if he was not involved or responsible for her disappearance, it's him.