Boundary Review Meetings

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What’s the beef that Sangster parents have with LBSS? It’s comparable to WSHS in most ways.

From the meeting:

The LB high school students on the bus. They picked their houses specifically to avoid riding busses with high school students.

Their community is not the Sangster students they attend school with. Their community is the kids from the other WSHS elementary schools that they don't yet know who will be attending Irving and WSHS.

If rezoned, their HOA will feed into 2 middle and high schools (That neighborhood already feeds into 2 elementary schools, 2 middle schools and 2 high schools, but the one West Orange Hunt HOA only feeds into WSHS according to the parents in attendance.)

Even though 1/2 of WSHS votes for 2 school board reps from other magesterial districts (Braddock and Franconia) and Irving sits in the Braddock magesterial district, not the Springfield magesterial district, the Sangster neighborhood votes for the Springfield magesterial district. They expressed that getting moved to LBSS means that they lose their school board representation, because they do not vote for the Braddock rep. I think this one is just a basic misunderstanding of civics and Fairfax County governance, since I believe the only FCPS high school that is represented by only 1 dedicated rep is Fairfax HS. All of the others, including WSHS and LBSS, are represented by at least 2 or 3 school board reps due to jacked up gerrymandering by the Board of Supervisors. The school board representation is a non argument based on county governance structure.


The good points they made:

They specifically purchased their houses knowing the neighborhood was a split feeder, because they specifically wanted to attend Sangster > Irving > WSHS, not LBSS because of the 4 reasons above (high school kids on the busses, the community claim, school board reps, and HOA argument) Rezoning removes their choice.


The best points and most compelling arguments from the Sangster community were made by the 4 Irving students who spoke about grandfathering, the inequity of letting secondary 7th and 8th graders be grandfathered but not allowing the same grandfathering for middle school students, and the biggest point was that the final maps will be released at least a month after 8th students register for classes and audition for classes like orchestra, so those Irving 8th graders will be sitting in limbo for weeks or months, not able to register for high school classes and not knowing what high school they will attend. Bravo to those 4 students for making such strong arguments for yourselves. I am sure your parents are on this forum to pass this on. You should be very proud.


The White Oaks to Cherry Run families were asking that grandfathering be given for entire families through preschool younger siblings, so families don't have to have kids at 2 elementary schools.

In my opinion, that was one of the weakest arguments of the night against rezoning and the weakest grandfathering argument.

One, because of the scope of grandfathering county wide to grandfather all current and future elementary kids with currently enrolled siblings is just too large and encompasses too many years, more years than the entire rezoning cycle.

And two, we all all know that having kids at 2 elementary schools is something FCPS families jump on without a seconds pause when one kid gets into the AAP center programs.

The grandfathering of entire families though 7 years of elementary schools was not a viable request in my opinion.

Others might have viewed my assessment differently, but this was my take on the meeting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The chantilly/westfield meeting is on Thursday

Thanks.

There is also a short one tonight for Chantilly/Westfield.

Dear Families,

We understand that the community boundary review meeting scheduled for the Chantilly and Westfield pyramids on October 30 conflicts with an athletic event that is expected to affect families in both pyramids.

While the October 30 meeting will continue as scheduled, we have added an earlier hybrid meeting for families in the Chantilly and Westfield pyramids who are unable to attend on the 30th.

The additional meeting will be held in person at Fairfax High School and virtually via Zoom on Tuesday, October 28, from 6 to 6:30 p.m. Enter through Door 1. The consultant will present the latest draft map, Scenario 4, and changes specific to the Chantilly and Westfield pyramids. They will also take questions.

Please help us plan for this meeting by registering to attend. Click in person or virtual based on how you would like to participate. (A Woodson/Fairfax pyramid meeting will immediately follow at 6:30 p.m. in the same space.)

If you plan to participate in person, feel free to come to the event at 5:30 p.m. to explore Scenario 4 in the Boundary Explorer Tool. (Scenario 4 is the only option available at this time for community review and feedback. Scenario 3 is included in the Boundary Explorer Tool only as a point of reference and comparison.) A limited number of FCPS laptops will be available, and staff will be on site to support you in using the tool. If you plan to participate virtually, you may log on at 5:30 p.m., and a staff member can walk you through how to use the tool. The meeting will begin at 6 p.m.

Note: Each high school pyramid is represented on the Superintendent's Boundary Review Advisory Committee. In addition to leaving feedback on the Boundary Explorer Tool, you can find your pyramid representative’s email address to share feedback or ask questions. Please visit the FCPS website for more information. Thank you.

Fairfax County Public Schools

Question: does this meeting (Chantilly/Westfield) include the KAA adjustments?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What’s the beef that Sangster parents have with LBSS? It’s comparable to WSHS in most ways.

Please don't start this pot stirring again. Sangster parents made it very clear last night that they have absolutely no issues with the quality of LB.

Actually, they made it very clear they do not want their kids going to LBSS. It's not part of their community. They don't feel like it's a good fit for their kids, even though many of their kids' friends go on to LBSS while their kids move on to Irvinig. And one woman has a terrible fear about her child being accosted by upperclassmen at LBSS. But, to be fair, she appeared to be an outlier.

Not wanting their children to be moved from their West Springfield neighborhood is not the same with having 'Beef' with the quality of LB.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What’s the beef that Sangster parents have with LBSS? It’s comparable to WSHS in most ways.>>>>>

LBSS is a great school. But we are closer to WSHS. You can check for yourself....

Choose a house with an address in the 4700 block of Jenna Road, Springfield.

Map it to WSHS and then to LBSS. This morning I did that -

to WS it was 11 mins and 3.6 miles

to LBSS is 16 mins and 5.6 Miles and Passes WSHS en route.

I also mapped addresses down near Modisto Lane that are at WS and staying there. Further milage, longer travel time AND they pass the Hunstman Estates bus stop.

It doesn't pass WSHS at all.

Just take Sydenstriker to Shiplett to Burke Lake, or go out the other side of the neighborhood onto Lee's Chapel to Burke Lake.

You would never need to pass WSHS to go from that neighborhood to LBSS.

Ask the AAP kids from your neighborhood what route they drive and what route the busses take to get to LBSS.

They do not go past WSHS. There is zero need to go that route up Keene Mill to Rolling to LB from the other side via Rolling Rd. Going past WSHS would be the worst possible, longest, most convoluted driving route of the 3 possible routes from that neighborhood to get to LBSS.

I can't imagine any scenario where the AAP busses from that neighborhood would drive all the way to WSHS to get to LBSS when there are two shorter, very direct routes that are only around 1.5 miles different than driving to WSHS.

[Anonymous]

Do we think Reid will revert to scenario 3 for south of the Parkway to be moved out of WSHS ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do we think Reid will revert to scenario 3 for south of the Parkway to be moved out of WSHS ?

Yes.

But not until map 7 woth the school board final map vote.

[Anonymous]

Just take Sydenstriker to Shiplett to Burke Lake, or go out the other side of the neighborhood onto Lee's Chapel to Burke Lake.

You would never need to pass WSHS to go from that neighborhood to LBSS.

>>>

You are not looking at the correct neighborhood. There is only one entrance/exit from this neighborhood and its Huntsman. Use the 7100 Jenna Road Address to confirm. I just used google maps and it takes me directly past WSHS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What’s the beef that Sangster parents have with LBSS? It’s comparable to WSHS in most ways.

From the meeting:

The LB high school students on the bus. They picked their houses specifically to avoid riding busses with high school students.

Their community is not the Sangster students they attend school with. Their community is the kids from the other WSHS elementary schools that they don't yet know who will be attending Irving and WSHS.

If rezoned, their HOA will feed into 2 middle and high schools (That neighborhood already feeds into 2 elementary schools, 2 middle schools and 2 high schools, but the one West Orange Hunt HOA only feeds into WSHS according to the parents in attendance.)

Even though 1/2 of WSHS votes for 2 school board reps from other magesterial districts (Braddock and Franconia) and Irving sits in the Braddock magesterial district, not the Springfield magesterial district, the Sangster neighborhood votes for the Springfield magesterial district. They expressed that getting moved to LBSS means that they lose their school board representation, because they do not vote for the Braddock rep. I think this one is just a basic misunderstanding of civics and Fairfax County governance, since I believe the only FCPS high school that is represented by only 1 dedicated rep is Fairfax HS. All of the others, including WSHS and LBSS, are represented by at least 2 or 3 school board reps due to jacked up gerrymandering by the Board of Supervisors. The school board representation is a non argument based on county governance structure.


The good points they made:

They specifically purchased their houses knowing the neighborhood was a split feeder, because they specifically wanted to attend Sangster > Irving > WSHS, not LBSS because of the 4 reasons above (high school kids on the busses, the community claim, school board reps, and HOA argument) Rezoning removes their choice.


The best points and most compelling arguments from the Sangster community were made by the 4 Irving students who spoke about grandfathering, the inequity of letting secondary 7th and 8th graders be grandfathered but not allowing the same grandfathering for middle school students, and the biggest point was that the final maps will be released at least a month after 8th students register for classes and audition for classes like orchestra, so those Irving 8th graders will be sitting in limbo for weeks or months, not able to register for high school classes and not knowing what high school they will attend. Bravo to those 4 students for making such strong arguments for yourselves. I am sure your parents are on this forum to pass this on. You should be very proud.


The White Oaks to Cherry Run families were asking that grandfathering be given for entire families through preschool younger siblings, so families don't have to have kids at 2 elementary schools.

In my opinion, that was one of the weakest arguments of the night against rezoning and the weakest grandfathering argument.

One, because of the scope of grandfathering county wide to grandfather all current and future elementary kids with currently enrolled siblings is just too large and encompasses too many years, more years than the entire rezoning cycle.

And two, we all all know that having kids at 2 elementary schools is something FCPS families jump on without a seconds pause when one kid gets into the AAP center programs.

The grandfathering of entire families though 7 years of elementary schools was not a viable request in my opinion.

Others might have viewed my assessment differently, but this was my take on the meeting.

Your second point on White Oaks doesn't stand because affected families bought into an elementary school that is a center, so they were never going to have kids at two schools if the older ones get into AAP.

[Anonymous]

Those WSHS families slated to shift to LBSS are idiots for buying a home thinking boundaries would never shift. Maybe sue your realtor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Those WSHS families slated to shift to LBSS are idiots for buying a home thinking boundaries would never shift. Maybe sue your realtor.

You're behavior is rude, and below you. Do better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Just take Sydenstriker to Shiplett to Burke Lake, or go out the other side of the neighborhood onto Lee's Chapel to Burke Lake.

You would never need to pass WSHS to go from that neighborhood to LBSS.

>>>

You are not looking at the correct neighborhood. There is only one entrance/exit from this neighborhood and its Huntsman. Use the 7100 Jenna Road Address to confirm. I just used google maps and it takes me directly past WSHS

But the Lake Braddock bus that drives through your neighborhood to pick up AAP kids does not go that route past WSHS.

It goes the Burke Lake route.

An equally closest high school and middle school to that Jenna Rd neighborhood is South County.

South County is only 3.8 miles from that neighborhood, the same driving time as WSHS and a faster driving time than Irving.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The chantilly/westfield meeting is on Thursday

Thanks.

There is also a short one tonight for Chantilly/Westfield.

Dear Families,

We understand that the community boundary review meeting scheduled for the Chantilly and Westfield pyramids on October 30 conflicts with an athletic event that is expected to affect families in both pyramids.

While the October 30 meeting will continue as scheduled, we have added an earlier hybrid meeting for families in the Chantilly and Westfield pyramids who are unable to attend on the 30th.

The additional meeting will be held in person at Fairfax High School and virtually via Zoom on Tuesday, October 28, from 6 to 6:30 p.m. Enter through Door 1. The consultant will present the latest draft map, Scenario 4, and changes specific to the Chantilly and Westfield pyramids. They will also take questions.

Please help us plan for this meeting by registering to attend. Click in person or virtual based on how you would like to participate. (A Woodson/Fairfax pyramid meeting will immediately follow at 6:30 p.m. in the same space.)

If you plan to participate in person, feel free to come to the event at 5:30 p.m. to explore Scenario 4 in the Boundary Explorer Tool. (Scenario 4 is the only option available at this time for community review and feedback. Scenario 3 is included in the Boundary Explorer Tool only as a point of reference and comparison.) A limited number of FCPS laptops will be available, and staff will be on site to support you in using the tool. If you plan to participate virtually, you may log on at 5:30 p.m., and a staff member can walk you through how to use the tool. The meeting will begin at 6 p.m.

Note: Each high school pyramid is represented on the Superintendent's Boundary Review Advisory Committee. In addition to leaving feedback on the Boundary Explorer Tool, you can find your pyramid representative’s email address to share feedback or ask questions. Please visit the FCPS website for more information. Thank you.

Fairfax County Public Schools

Question: does this meeting (Chantilly/Westfield) include the KAA adjustments?

I don’t think it does.

It’s pointless to discuss Scenario 4 for Chantilly and Westfield, as they will be severely impacted by KAA.

On the other hand, it would be unfair to discuss KAA with only Chantilly and Westfield parents.

IMHO, this is poor planning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The chantilly/westfield meeting is on Thursday

Thanks.

There is also a short one tonight for Chantilly/Westfield.

Dear Families,

We understand that the community boundary review meeting scheduled for the Chantilly and Westfield pyramids on October 30 conflicts with an athletic event that is expected to affect families in both pyramids.

While the October 30 meeting will continue as scheduled, we have added an earlier hybrid meeting for families in the Chantilly and Westfield pyramids who are unable to attend on the 30th.

The additional meeting will be held in person at Fairfax High School and virtually via Zoom on Tuesday, October 28, from 6 to 6:30 p.m. Enter through Door 1. The consultant will present the latest draft map, Scenario 4, and changes specific to the Chantilly and Westfield pyramids. They will also take questions.

Please help us plan for this meeting by registering to attend. Click in person or virtual based on how you would like to participate. (A Woodson/Fairfax pyramid meeting will immediately follow at 6:30 p.m. in the same space.)

If you plan to participate in person, feel free to come to the event at 5:30 p.m. to explore Scenario 4 in the Boundary Explorer Tool. (Scenario 4 is the only option available at this time for community review and feedback. Scenario 3 is included in the Boundary Explorer Tool only as a point of reference and comparison.) A limited number of FCPS laptops will be available, and staff will be on site to support you in using the tool. If you plan to participate virtually, you may log on at 5:30 p.m., and a staff member can walk you through how to use the tool. The meeting will begin at 6 p.m.

Note: Each high school pyramid is represented on the Superintendent's Boundary Review Advisory Committee. In addition to leaving feedback on the Boundary Explorer Tool, you can find your pyramid representative’s email address to share feedback or ask questions. Please visit the FCPS website for more information. Thank you.

Fairfax County Public Schools

Question: does this meeting (Chantilly/Westfield) include the KAA adjustments?

I don’t think it does.

It’s pointless to discuss Scenario 4 for Chantilly and Westfield, as they will be severely impacted by KAA.

On the other hand, it would be unfair to discuss KAA with only Chantilly and Westfield parents.

IMHO, this is poor planning.

The whole thing is poor planning.

We have such an educated, accomplished, affluent community.

How on earth did we end up with such incompetent leadership?

[Anonymous]

I feel sorry for any kids whose parents are giving the grandfathering argument of not wanting kids at two different schools. I'm sure those younger siblings would want to go to high school with all their friends who are rezoned, and not to the old one alone just because their sibling goes there.

[Anonymous]

Is anyone else unable to make comments in the boundary explorer tool?