Hayfield Football Coach Fired

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Anonymous wrote:What can be realistically done ? That’s easy.


1. Overton: He should be fired immediately. No one man should be allowed to create this much chaos, statewide, and still be receiving a paycheck from FFX Cty. If he wants to sue, great, I would love to see that deposition, under oath. Reid can fire him today. This should have happened the day VHSL imposed their ban.

(2) Hayfield principal:Should be Fired. But, let go gracefully, so not to interrupt the school year. He/she/they is captain of this sinking ship, and should be held accountable.

Again, Reid can do this today. It does not fix everything, but it is something.

1. Won’t happen if it ain’t happened yet

2. If one has happened yet, this definitely ain’t happening either

3. Way to just leave our the athletic director who also needs to be fired (but see 1 and 2)

I will articulate what I said three weeks ago

1. The smart move for Overton is finish season and quietly step down when the dust settles up sometime in March 2025. He sits out a year makes some private coaching camp money or takes a job somewhere in MD for 2026.

2. School principal gets another year maybe two at school along with athletic director, they hire a new coach for football with probably more gatehouse oversight

3. Suddenly a job opens in gatehouse in June and next year hayfield starts with an interim school principal while a new one is hired

4. Suddenly in December the athletic director announces he’s taking a gatehouse job and a new athletic director is hired

5. Everyone knows what’s happening and why but it’s stretched out to make it appear “nice” and do damage control. The three bad actors move on fairly unscathed because that’s just how it works sorry folks. The school gets a new coach and a new cultural direction (trust me I know teachers there some would be happy to see the principal and AD go away)

The above this is how things are done in fcps. No one will be “fired,” god they struggle in fcps to fire people for more egregious things so don’t expect that here.

It’s going to be all about how it’s done in a way that does damage control without continuing to bring more attention on both the school and county.

Re (1) above, the real media has just started reporting this. (On local news last night). Things can change quickly when reporters start asking this exact question on camera. And, the story only gets bigger when games or forfeits start tomorrow.

Fairfax Times has done a great job so far. Whoever that parent was that attacked their reporter was pathetic.

Great, no disrespect to FFx times, but that’s not the real media. Live Tv is still best for this. And old people (that vote) still watch it.

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Anonymous wrote:The activities at Hayfield is the future of the game, like it or not. With the arrival of NIL money in college and high school football, this court's preliminary decision just signals the future. All these anti-recruiting rules will be relics of the past. These youth are free agents and who is the VHSL to restrict their ability to earn money and recognition. And who is the VHSL to restrict the coach's freedom of speech to tell a prospective "student" athlete the benefits of playing for him. Amateurism is dying quickly in scholastic sports and this is just one bell weather signaling the end. In five years the activities that many are alleging happened at Hayfield will not be violations of any rule.

Erm, VHSL can absolutely restrict the activities of school employees at schools they allow in their conference. If you look at state high school athletic associations around the country many are far more strict than VHSL, prohibiting club/travel teams from being mostly from one school in the offseason for example. The coach can say whatever he wants, but VHSL can absolutely limit his ability to coach after he says things, just like VHSL has super strict rules around the way coaches handle money and other things. And from where I sit those rules ought to be getting stricter, not looser. That's true even if, as a lawyer said upthread, stricter rules will just lead to more parsing, corner cases, and headache. It's been shown that coaches and administrators can't be trusted to try to be sportsmanlike.

Kids want to earn recognition? Play in the wild west of club/travel.

The court injunction was based on technicalities of the way the ban was handled, not on the merits of the rules.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What can be realistically done ? That’s easy.


1. Overton: He should be fired immediately. No one man should be allowed to create this much chaos, statewide, and still be receiving a paycheck from FFX Cty. If he wants to sue, great, I would love to see that deposition, under oath. Reid can fire him today. This should have happened the day VHSL imposed their ban.

(2) Hayfield principal:Should be Fired. But, let go gracefully, so not to interrupt the school year. He/she/they is captain of this sinking ship, and should be held accountable.

Again, Reid can do this today. It does not fix everything, but it is something.

1. Won’t happen if it ain’t happened yet

2. If one has happened yet, this definitely ain’t happening either

3. Way to just leave our the athletic director who also needs to be fired (but see 1 and 2)

I will articulate what I said three weeks ago

1. The smart move for Overton is finish season and quietly step down when the dust settles up sometime in March 2025. He sits out a year makes some private coaching camp money or takes a job somewhere in MD for 2026.

2. School principal gets another year maybe two at school along with athletic director, they hire a new coach for football with probably more gatehouse oversight

3. Suddenly a job opens in gatehouse in June and next year hayfield starts with an interim school principal while a new one is hired

4. Suddenly in December the athletic director announces he’s taking a gatehouse job and a new athletic director is hired

5. Everyone knows what’s happening and why but it’s stretched out to make it appear “nice” and do damage control. The three bad actors move on fairly unscathed because that’s just how it works sorry folks. The school gets a new coach and a new cultural direction (trust me I know teachers there some would be happy to see the principal and AD go away)

The above this is how things are done in fcps. No one will be “fired,” god they struggle in fcps to fire people for more egregious things so don’t expect that here.

It’s going to be all about how it’s done in a way that does damage control without continuing to bring more attention on both the school and county.

Re (1) above, the real media has just started reporting this. (On local news last night). Things can change quickly when reporters start asking this exact question on camera. And, the story only gets bigger when games or forfeits start tomorrow.

Fairfax Times has done a great job so far. Whoever that parent was that attacked their reporter was pathetic.

Great, no disrespect to FFx times, but that’s not the real media. Live Tv is still best for this. And old people (that vote) still watch it.

Fox 5 and WJLA were at the Reid meeting last night, where she called the cops on them. FCPD showed up and properly told them that they were fine.

This is getting bigger and bigger, not smaller and smaller.

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/fairfax-county-high-schools-prepared-forfeit-games-over-hayfield-high-school-controversy

https://wjla.com/news/local/hayfield-secondary-school-football-coaches-threatened-forfeit-fairfax-high-lake-braddock-west-springfield-superintendent-michelle-reid-games-sports-playoff-ban-dmv

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Robinson football parent and we're not the ones crying that we got bumped out of playoffs. We know why we originally made it and why we ultimately got bumped out. Stop with your scorn and sympathy. We're big boys over here and don't need people posting about how undeserving we were to be in the playoffs. I'm not personally commenting on my opinion about Hayfield or any of this football situation. Just want people to stop posting that we're the crybabies or poor losers in all of this because we're not.

Robinson alum from the first state title year (not football player though). The team was 3-7 and like you said you knew how you got in. Sounds like team prepped like it should and then things happened. We’ve always had a strong athletic culture and I don’t think any of you have been crybabies or losers. I’m curious did the team kind of feel like really were going to play? Were like not really good so like this is like yay playoffs with a so umm we ah might umm you know lose which would suck

And it was going to be against Braddock at Braddock right

That game generally goes pretty hard but if one team is not as strong as the other it really sucks the intensity out

Like Braddock may be like yea we wanna beat our rival but like if your rival is pretty lackluster, it’s more like okay we won yay but doesn’t have that like statement kind of feel

I remember when we beat Braddock in the late 90s and then had a hardcore rivalry with Centerville those years, those were absolute banger games to watch and be a part of. Everyone was super into it players coaches band cheerleaders students alums etc

Are you nuts? All the teams in that division were at school getting ready, dressing for the game when the judge ruled. Everyone prepared for the scheduled games. Booster groups spent thousands of dollars on concessions.

Stop it, school is out at 205 220 kids are not getting dressed at 337 when judge made his ruling, LB still is the home team and has a home game so that $$$ you’re claiming is NOT at a loss. You tried it though

Most kids were at school. Ours get out closer to 3:00. They were eating team meal when they were notified at 4:00.

[Anonymous]

Fairfax Times journalists have been accurate all along and broke the story.

"Chad Ricardo" from
fox has done a terrible job reporting.

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Anonymous wrote:Realistically, what can FCPS do at this point? Can FCPS kick Hayfield back out of the playoffs?

Nothing. These HS principals, coaches, and parents are working off emotion. I don't have a dog in this fight but FCPS can't do anything now. A court has ruled on the injunctuon. If FCPS tries to act they will just be sued too. The time for FCPS to act was earlier. Now they have to wait until Dec. 4 like everyone else.

FCPS could conduct a real investigation, but they won't. The schools could boycott the playoff games.

That also costs money I as a parent prefer they not spend because my girls go to a FCPS school. Football impacts a small subset of the FCPS population who don't want money going towards an investigation. If Fairfax City who called on it wants to fund it then sure, do the investigation.

They are going to be forced to at some point with all the outcry. You can thank them for not doing it when this first was brought to light. It's going to cost more with all the stuff that has come out since this started.

Outcry does not equal standing. I think if the Judge rules on Dec. 4 that Hayfield is out then it's over and FCPS does not have to spend a dime. If the judge rules on Dec. 4 that Hayfield is in then some aggrieved other team can appeal but this is a Hayfield parent case not a FCPS case so again, FCPS does not have to spend a dime. No investigation saves money.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Robinson football parent and we're not the ones crying that we got bumped out of playoffs. We know why we originally made it and why we ultimately got bumped out. Stop with your scorn and sympathy. We're big boys over here and don't need people posting about how undeserving we were to be in the playoffs. I'm not personally commenting on my opinion about Hayfield or any of this football situation. Just want people to stop posting that we're the crybabies or poor losers in all of this because we're not.

Maybe school gets out at 2:05 in Prince William or Stafford where the poster lives.

Robinson alum from the first state title year (not football player though). The team was 3-7 and like you said you knew how you got in. Sounds like team prepped like it should and then things happened. We’ve always had a strong athletic culture and I don’t think any of you have been crybabies or losers. I’m curious did the team kind of feel like really were going to play? Were like not really good so like this is like yay playoffs with a so umm we ah might umm you know lose which would suck

And it was going to be against Braddock at Braddock right

That game generally goes pretty hard but if one team is not as strong as the other it really sucks the intensity out

Like Braddock may be like yea we wanna beat our rival but like if your rival is pretty lackluster, it’s more like okay we won yay but doesn’t have that like statement kind of feel

I remember when we beat Braddock in the late 90s and then had a hardcore rivalry with Centerville those years, those were absolute banger games to watch and be a part of. Everyone was super into it players coaches band cheerleaders students alums etc

Are you nuts? All the teams in that division were at school getting ready, dressing for the game when the judge ruled. Everyone prepared for the scheduled games. Booster groups spent thousands of dollars on concessions.

Stop it, school is out at 205 220 kids are not getting dressed at 337 when judge made his ruling, LB still is the home team and has a home game so that $$$ you’re claiming is NOT at a loss. You tried it though

Most kids were at school. Ours get out closer to 3:00. They were eating team meal when they were notified at 4:00.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So what hapoens now that Mount Vernon is protesting?

Wonder what Lake Braddock is being told.

Fairfax and West Potomac are playing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ha you think boys' lacrosse is a soft sport? You obviously don't know shit about lacrosse. Speaking of Robinson, you should have seen Robinson's boys team this past spring. They dominated everyone, were undefeated and easily won States.

Public school lacrosse in Virginia is ridiculous. It's all about the clubs. Real lacrosse players don't pick up a stick for public schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Realistically, what can FCPS do at this point? Can FCPS kick Hayfield back out of the playoffs?

Nothing. These HS principals, coaches, and parents are working off emotion. I don't have a dog in this fight but FCPS can't do anything now. A court has ruled on the injunctuon. If FCPS tries to act they will just be sued too. The time for FCPS to act was earlier. Now they have to wait until Dec. 4 like everyone else.

They can investigate and suspend or expel the students. They can fire the coach. The team would still compete, but without those players or coaches

Not after FCPS already cleared them. I need people to put on their thinking caps. I get that this sucks but let's think people!

😂 to the post you responded to!

Suspend and expel the students for what for going to the wrong school?

All that happens is the admin informs the parent the kid can’t attend school there and needs to go to their appropriate school

If the student returns to school after that information is given to the parent then technically the student is trespassing on school property if they are inside the building as an unenrolled student at that school.

I mean I know kids can be dumb sometimes we all know they do dumb things but if admin and the counselor bring you to the office say you can no longer attend here if you return tomorrow you are trespassing and can be arrested and taken to jail then even dumb kids know not to come to school

All that said, you can’t suspend or expel the kids for the parents enrolling them at the wrong place that’s not a suspension or expulsion offense.

Boundary fraud isn't quite as much of an issue in Fairfax as it is in the District but it still happens sometimes and is still enforced, when discovered.

But FCPS cleared them, rightly or wrongly, so what basis would they have now??? For the love of God!

[Anonymous]

LMAO!!! You Freedomfield people just tell on yourselves.

Freedom in PWC does in fact get dismissed at 2:05 pm.

FCPS HS end at 2:55.

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Anonymous wrote:Ha you think boys' lacrosse is a soft sport? You obviously don't know shit about lacrosse. Speaking of Robinson, you should have seen Robinson's boys team this past spring. They dominated everyone, were undefeated and easily won States.

Maybe the lacrosse players should MAN UP and put on some shoulder pads and a helmet. Then your football team won't finish with a 3-7 record and sob crocodile tears how they are being cheated out of a playoff spot. Ha ha!

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Agree w/above about getting bigger. An enterprising reporter can really make a name off this story, at least locally. Maybe even a book, or at least a series of articles, the way the Post used to do (before Bezos)

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Anonymous wrote:Realistically, what can FCPS do at this point? Can FCPS kick Hayfield back out of the playoffs?

Nothing. These HS principals, coaches, and parents are working off emotion. I don't have a dog in this fight but FCPS can't do anything now. A court has ruled on the injunctuon. If FCPS tries to act they will just be sued too. The time for FCPS to act was earlier. Now they have to wait until Dec. 4 like everyone else.

FCPS could conduct a real investigation, but they won't. The schools could boycott the playoff games.

That also costs money I as a parent prefer they not spend because my girls go to a FCPS school. Football impacts a small subset of the FCPS population who don't want money going towards an investigation. If Fairfax City who called on it wants to fund it then sure, do the investigation.

They are going to be forced to at some point with all the outcry. You can thank them for not doing it when this first was brought to light. It's going to cost more with all the stuff that has come out since this started.

Outcry does not equal standing. I think if the Judge rules on Dec. 4 that Hayfield is out then it's over and FCPS does not have to spend a dime. If the judge rules on Dec. 4 that Hayfield is in then some aggrieved other team can appeal but this is a Hayfield parent case not a FCPS case so again, FCPS does not have to spend a dime. No investigation saves money.

Maybe no standing in court. However I suspect that if VHSL loses the handbook is going to get a substantial update in the near future.

[Anonymous]

You could say public school football in Virginia is ridiculous too