Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone

[Anonymous]

Can I just say that every evening as I am going to bed, I check my two saved DCUM tabs- this one, and the california hiker family one. Can't one of these cases have a resolution for me??? I have nothing else to look forward to over here, besides a resolution to one or both of these cases!!! Throw me a bone!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have to say that I’m surprised that there are so many stories about him hitchhiking. Who picks up single male hitchhikers?

The younger people are into hitchhiking. A young hiker tried to get me to give him a ride about a month ago and I very firmly said no. I didn't lecture him on the dangers of hitchhiking but maybe I should have. He was sort of upset at me for not giving him a ride. Very foolish to hitchhike or pick up hitchhikers. Brian is a poster child for why you shouldn't pick up hitchhikers.

Incidentally, if that was really him in the TN sighting - where'd he get a vehicle anyway? Did he murder the person who picked him up and that's why nobody has reported the stolen vehicle?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He has generic looks. He has police ties. He will be hidden for a long time. Sadly.

What are his police ties? Also, how do people think he is getting money? I'm sure the FBI is watching all of his parents' bank accounts and he's certainly not using a debit card. Did his parents prepare him with stacks of prepaid Visa gift cards? Or a ton of cash? Either way I think there would be evidence of cash withdrawals or whatever else from their banks. These are also not experienced Foreign Service types who know how to live off the grid.

Some family member is a cop I believe in florida. I forget who

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can we stop obsessing over the body cam footage? She called her parents from the side of the road. If they didn’t foresee this how can we expect police too? Anyway it doesn’t matter now. She’s gone. All they can do is find him and deliver justice, hopefully to the parents too. Their behavior has been abhorrent and I pray somehow illegal.

I have to respectfully disagree w/this.
No, we cannot ignore the police body cam footage.
The police made many mistakes which should be analyzed.
This way corrections can be made so that no body is accused as an aggressor when they are in fact a victim.

I am in no way faulting any off the officers on scene for Gabby’s murder.
Far from it actually.
I am just faulting them for their incompetence in dealing w/a DV circumstance that they were out of their professional element.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can we stop obsessing over the body cam footage? She called her parents from the side of the road. If they didn’t foresee this how can we expect police too? Anyway it doesn’t matter now. She’s gone. All they can do is find him and deliver justice, hopefully to the parents too. Their behavior has been abhorrent and I pray somehow illegal.

I have to respectfully disagree w/this.
No, we cannot ignore the police body cam footage.
The police made many mistakes which should be analyzed.
This way corrections can be made so that no body is accused as an aggressor when they are in fact a victim.

I am in no way faulting any off the officers on scene for Gabby’s murder.
Far from it actually.
I am just faulting them for their incompetence in dealing w/a DV circumstance that they were out of their professional element.

I just mean it’s off topic and not relevant to this thread.

[Anonymous]

I think some of you are being ridiculous about the police angle. Yes, police should have better training in DV, but no, nothing they coukd have done would have changed this outcome.

Police often arrest Brians (if enough evidence) and take them to jail if the Gabbys will agree to press charges. Then they give the Gabbys info/resources to help themselves. And the Gabbys go bail out their man and drop the charges, rinse, repeat.

If we want different, changes in policing would be only one small part of the puzzle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can we stop obsessing over the body cam footage? She called her parents from the side of the road. If they didn’t foresee this how can we expect police too? Anyway it doesn’t matter now. She’s gone. All they can do is find him and deliver justice, hopefully to the parents too. Their behavior has been abhorrent and I pray somehow illegal.

I have to respectfully disagree w/this.
No, we cannot ignore the police body cam footage.
The police made many mistakes which should be analyzed.
This way corrections can be made so that no body is accused as an aggressor when they are in fact a victim.

I am in no way faulting any off the officers on scene for Gabby’s murder.
Far from it actually.
I am just faulting them for their incompetence in dealing w/a DV circumstance that they were out of their professional element.

If you acknowledge that the circumstance was out of their professional element, why do you fault them? The Monday morning quarterbacking is getting old. The run in with the police is only interesting insofar as it gives a peek into their whereabouts and demeanor on the road trip. The cops can be left out of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can I just say that every evening as I am going to bed, I check my two saved DCUM tabs- this one, and the california hiker family one. Can't one of these cases have a resolution for me??? I have nothing else to look forward to over here, besides a resolution to one or both of these cases!!! Throw me a bone!

Me too. Prior to these two stories, I was never interested in true crime at all. At least the California story doesn’t seem to be shaping up as crime.

[Anonymous]

Cassie (Brian's sister) and her husband spoke to protesters on video for almost 20 minutes. I found this interesting:


https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/gabby-petito-missing-case/newsnation-exclusive-brian-laundries-sister-says-her-brother-flew-home-aug-17-saw-family-sept-1/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am sitting here, literally shaking my head.

I am amazed that responses on here are actually defending the police (from August 12th) on this thread.
It is so blatantly obvious to me that the situation in Utah was littered w/mistake after mistake.

Cops should have zeroed in on Brian a little more.
They should have seen right through his transparency but they could not.
Even a typical layman can see he is nervous (& thus hyper), overapologetic, while at the same time minimizing the situation while seeming so indifferent to Gabby’s apparent distress.

Gabby was bawling the entire time.
She kept blaming herself for everything + admitted that she was not taking any medication for her mental issues.

Yet Brian got a free night’s stay in a hotel while the most Gabby received from the cops was a list of places that she could….rather should go to get a four-dollar shower to “cool off, relax and decompress.”
Because that is what helped the officer’s own wife - it would help Gabby as well.
Ha!!
Unfortunately anxiety is a huge mental issue and it takes more than one relaxing shower to help it.

I agree that cops either should be required to get more training on how to best deal w/DV or the police department should hire people who have solid DV skills both through education as well as experience.
Hopefully Gabby’s death will shine a light on how incompetently the current protocols for DV are so screwed up!

+1 she showed them how he grabbed her face!! That level of violence is code red alarm. Grabbing face or neck is chapter one of this will spiral into tragedy.

Right, but she also admitted several times that she struck Brian first. Which was corroborated by Brian. The officer did her a solid by not arresting her on the spot, separating the two, and giving her control of the vehicle for the night and the ability to flee. Expecting a small town, under resourced police department to provide two transients with Cadillac level of service is, sadly, just not realistic. They did the best they could.

+1. I think people are overestimating what police are able to do under the law in this situation. They both identified her as the primary aggressor. The police actually had to do some working around the situation so they wouldn’t be required, by law, to arrest her. Of course, in this situation, we can look back and wish he was arrested but our laws (rightly) require more than the information both parties gave to arrest him.

+2

Right, identifying her as the primary aggressor when the reports were of him hitting her was pretty darn incompetent.

She. Said. She. Hit. Him. First.

He. Said. She. Hit. Him. First.

He. Had. Visible. Injuries.

Look, this all sucks. But Moab has 15 police officers for a town of 5000 people and countless backpackers and weirds that come through the area to visit the national parks. The police did the best that they could under the circumstances.

Ok. She hit first. So who hit second? Isn’t that the natural follow up question?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cassie (Brian's sister) and her husband spoke to protesters on video for almost 20 minutes. I found this interesting:


https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/gabby-petito-missing-case/newsnation-exclusive-brian-laundries-sister-says-her-brother-flew-home-aug-17-saw-family-sept-1/

It is good that she spoke out because I was actually wondering if she were involved with helping Brian.
It appears that she is just tired of this whole mess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can I just say that every evening as I am going to bed, I check my two saved DCUM tabs- this one, and the california hiker family one. Can't one of these cases have a resolution for me??? I have nothing else to look forward to over here, besides a resolution to one or both of these cases!!! Throw me a bone!

Me too PP, me too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cassie (Brian's sister) and her husband spoke to protesters on video for almost 20 minutes. I found this interesting:


https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/gabby-petito-missing-case/newsnation-exclusive-brian-laundries-sister-says-her-brother-flew-home-aug-17-saw-family-sept-1/

I feel so bad for them! Those protesters are jerks. “We can’t find Brian, so let’s attack his random sister.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have to say that I’m surprised that there are so many stories about him hitchhiking. Who picks up single male hitchhikers?

The younger people are into hitchhiking. A young hiker tried to get me to give him a ride about a month ago and I very firmly said no. I didn't lecture him on the dangers of hitchhiking but maybe I should have. He was sort of upset at me for not giving him a ride. Very foolish to hitchhike or pick up hitchhikers. Brian is a poster child for why you shouldn't pick up hitchhikers.

Incidentally, if that was really him in the TN sighting - where'd he get a vehicle anyway? Did he murder the person who picked him up and that's why nobody has reported the stolen vehicle?

I read an article that said his uncle lives in the area and has a similar car. So it made me wonder if he is letting Brian use it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cassie (Brian's sister) and her husband spoke to protesters on video for almost 20 minutes. I found this interesting:


https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/gabby-petito-missing-case/newsnation-exclusive-brian-laundries-sister-says-her-brother-flew-home-aug-17-saw-family-sept-1/

I feel so bad for them! Those protesters are jerks. “We can’t find Brian, so let’s attack his random sister.”

That’s so sad her children are suffering. I hope now that’s she’s spoken out, the protesters will leave her alone. It’s interesting she hasn’t been able to speak to her parents. They know something and the attorney’s got a muzzle on them.