SATC New Season - And Just Like That...

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They clearly left it so Che can float on the margins of the friends group. Maybe just the occasional one-on-one scene with Carrie, like in this ep.

Yeah, I didn’t mind them in that scene for a change.

+1 It was the only scene with Che I didn't want to fast forward through.

I don’t know. It’s like if we white women need to have Che in the audience reaffirming our inner thoughts about life and moving on, rather than vice versa, then maybe making the cast more diverse isn’t that much of an improvement?

No, it's more like I like Che when they are being a good friend but not when they are being a selfish, immature significant other.

Do you remember when Carrie cheated on Aiden with Big and everyone pretty much hated her that season also? Similar situation, only viewers had years with Carrie to establish affection for her character before she pulled that BS. The show introduced Che and then immediately through them into a relationship with Miranda that was highly problematic from the start. Of course people hated Che.

I liked Che more this episode when she was facing up to hard things. I think she is good at that. But I don’t think she really needed Carrie to show her the way. She faced up to being trans on her own? I just — don’t get me wrong, as a white woman I found the episode enjoyable and I liked Che more. But I’m not fooling myself that someone like Che would need some white super rich privileged lady to teach her about how to handle hard things. Whoever wrote the scene where Che was sitting in Carrie’s audience NODDING HER HEAD along to Carrie’s book reading (where btw Carrie did not even take audience questions wut?) was writing pure white woman escapist fantasy imho and not real life but then again it’s Carrie Bradshaw so *shrug*

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Who else thinks Carrie’s going to get all caught up in Aidan drama and ditch Seema for the summer?

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When is this show going to be more realistic and talk about gaining weight, tired, lonely, and having to start wearing depends?

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Anonymous wrote:Who else thinks Carrie’s going to get all caught up in Aidan drama and ditch Seema for the summer?

Oh no! I hope that’s not where this is going.

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Anonymous wrote:When is this show going to be more realistic and talk about gaining weight, tired, lonely, and having to start wearing depends?

My parents are both 75 and they don’t wear Depends. My dad weighs what he always has, and my mom is in better shape than she was at 45. Why do you think all older adults have those issues?

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Anonymous wrote:BYE BYE CHE

They clearly left it so Che can float on the margins of the friends group. Maybe just the occasional one-on-one scene with Carrie, like in this ep.

Yeah, I didn’t mind them in that scene for a change.

+1 It was the only scene with Che I didn't want to fast forward through.

I don’t know. It’s like if we white women need to have Che in the audience reaffirming our inner thoughts about life and moving on, rather than vice versa, then maybe making the cast more diverse isn’t that much of an improvement?

No, it's more like I like Che when they are being a good friend but not when they are being a selfish, immature significant other.

Do you remember when Carrie cheated on Aiden with Big and everyone pretty much hated her that season also? Similar situation, only viewers had years with Carrie to establish affection for her character before she pulled that BS. The show introduced Che and then immediately through them into a relationship with Miranda that was highly problematic from the start. Of course people hated Che.

I liked Che more this episode when she was facing up to hard things. I think she is good at that. But I don’t think she really needed Carrie to show her the way. She faced up to being trans on her own? I just — don’t get me wrong, as a white woman I found the episode enjoyable and I liked Che more. But I’m not fooling myself that someone like Che would need some white super rich privileged lady to teach her about how to handle hard things. Whoever wrote the scene where Che was sitting in Carrie’s audience NODDING HER HEAD along to Carrie’s book reading (where btw Carrie did not even take audience questions wut?) was writing pure white woman escapist fantasy imho and not real life but then again it’s Carrie Bradshaw so *shrug*

It's odd that you don't think a Latina woman could empathize with a white woman. It was a scene about two friends, connecting.

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Anonymous wrote:BYE BYE CHE

They clearly left it so Che can float on the margins of the friends group. Maybe just the occasional one-on-one scene with Carrie, like in this ep.

Yeah, I didn’t mind them in that scene for a change.

+1 It was the only scene with Che I didn't want to fast forward through.

I don’t know. It’s like if we white women need to have Che in the audience reaffirming our inner thoughts about life and moving on, rather than vice versa, then maybe making the cast more diverse isn’t that much of an improvement?

No, it's more like I like Che when they are being a good friend but not when they are being a selfish, immature significant other.

Do you remember when Carrie cheated on Aiden with Big and everyone pretty much hated her that season also? Similar situation, only viewers had years with Carrie to establish affection for her character before she pulled that BS. The show introduced Che and then immediately through them into a relationship with Miranda that was highly problematic from the start. Of course people hated Che.

I liked Che more this episode when she was facing up to hard things. I think she is good at that. But I don’t think she really needed Carrie to show her the way. She faced up to being trans on her own? I just — don’t get me wrong, as a white woman I found the episode enjoyable and I liked Che more. But I’m not fooling myself that someone like Che would need some white super rich privileged lady to teach her about how to handle hard things. Whoever wrote the scene where Che was sitting in Carrie’s audience NODDING HER HEAD along to Carrie’s book reading (where btw Carrie did not even take audience questions wut?) was writing pure white woman escapist fantasy imho and not real life but then again it’s Carrie Bradshaw so *shrug*

It's odd that you don't think a Latina woman could empathize with a white woman. It was a scene about two friends, connecting.

It was a little white savior-y though, no? Che could not get out of their funk -- even though up until that point they had been extremely good at not hiding from tough things in her life -- but thanks to listening to an inspirational chapter from Carrie's book, Che immediately snaps out of it and gets their life back together and takes action. Thank you, Carrie, for helping them out of their difficult spot without even really trying, that was magical of you.

Isn't it pretty to think so? I mean, I liked it! Part of me ate it up, but another part of me is mad at myself for it. I think I'm also a little offended that they did it in that "Carrie reads a book chapter which we perceive to be very meaningful and we just catch the last five sentences and look the whole audience is in tears and Che's life view is now changed" trope, Carrie just reads part of her book and it magically fixed Che! They didn't even have to have a conversation or anything, just Carrie's magical words did it alone.

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Anonymous wrote:BYE BYE CHE

They clearly left it so Che can float on the margins of the friends group. Maybe just the occasional one-on-one scene with Carrie, like in this ep.

Yeah, I didn’t mind them in that scene for a change.

+1 It was the only scene with Che I didn't want to fast forward through.

I don’t know. It’s like if we white women need to have Che in the audience reaffirming our inner thoughts about life and moving on, rather than vice versa, then maybe making the cast more diverse isn’t that much of an improvement?

No, it's more like I like Che when they are being a good friend but not when they are being a selfish, immature significant other.

Do you remember when Carrie cheated on Aiden with Big and everyone pretty much hated her that season also? Similar situation, only viewers had years with Carrie to establish affection for her character before she pulled that BS. The show introduced Che and then immediately through them into a relationship with Miranda that was highly problematic from the start. Of course people hated Che.

I liked Che more this episode when she was facing up to hard things. I think she is good at that. But I don’t think she really needed Carrie to show her the way. She faced up to being trans on her own? I just — don’t get me wrong, as a white woman I found the episode enjoyable and I liked Che more. But I’m not fooling myself that someone like Che would need some white super rich privileged lady to teach her about how to handle hard things. Whoever wrote the scene where Che was sitting in Carrie’s audience NODDING HER HEAD along to Carrie’s book reading (where btw Carrie did not even take audience questions wut?) was writing pure white woman escapist fantasy imho and not real life but then again it’s Carrie Bradshaw so *shrug*

It's odd that you don't think a Latina woman could empathize with a white woman. It was a scene about two friends, connecting.

It was a little white savior-y though, no? Che could not get out of their funk -- even though up until that point they had been extremely good at not hiding from tough things in her life -- but thanks to listening to an inspirational chapter from Carrie's book, Che immediately snaps out of it and gets their life back together and takes action. Thank you, Carrie, for helping them out of their difficult spot without even really trying, that was magical of you.

Isn't it pretty to think so? I mean, I liked it! Part of me ate it up, but another part of me is mad at myself for it. I think I'm also a little offended that they did it in that "Carrie reads a book chapter which we perceive to be very meaningful and we just catch the last five sentences and look the whole audience is in tears and Che's life view is now changed" trope, Carrie just reads part of her book and it magically fixed Che! They didn't even have to have a conversation or anything, just Carrie's magical words did it alone.

I interpreted the scene differently. Carrie asked Che to attend with her because she was feeling a little insecure and was relying on Che to help her through. So it started out as a somewhat one-sided event where Che was helping their widowed friend through a stressful event. But, as the night went on, you could see that Che was also benefitting from attending-- being relied on, consulted, connecting with others, and then in the final scene, hearing words that resonated with them and met them exactly where they needed to be met. It was a lovely episode about connection, after many episodes focused on isolation. I didn't watch it through a racial/intersectional lens.

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Anonymous wrote:BYE BYE CHE

They clearly left it so Che can float on the margins of the friends group. Maybe just the occasional one-on-one scene with Carrie, like in this ep.

Yeah, I didn’t mind them in that scene for a change.

+1 It was the only scene with Che I didn't want to fast forward through.

I don’t know. It’s like if we white women need to have Che in the audience reaffirming our inner thoughts about life and moving on, rather than vice versa, then maybe making the cast more diverse isn’t that much of an improvement?

No, it's more like I like Che when they are being a good friend but not when they are being a selfish, immature significant other.

Do you remember when Carrie cheated on Aiden with Big and everyone pretty much hated her that season also? Similar situation, only viewers had years with Carrie to establish affection for her character before she pulled that BS. The show introduced Che and then immediately through them into a relationship with Miranda that was highly problematic from the start. Of course people hated Che.

I liked Che more this episode when she was facing up to hard things. I think she is good at that. But I don’t think she really needed Carrie to show her the way. She faced up to being trans on her own? I just — don’t get me wrong, as a white woman I found the episode enjoyable and I liked Che more. But I’m not fooling myself that someone like Che would need some white super rich privileged lady to teach her about how to handle hard things. Whoever wrote the scene where Che was sitting in Carrie’s audience NODDING HER HEAD along to Carrie’s book reading (where btw Carrie did not even take audience questions wut?) was writing pure white woman escapist fantasy imho and not real life but then again it’s Carrie Bradshaw so *shrug*

It's odd that you don't think a Latina woman could empathize with a white woman. It was a scene about two friends, connecting.

It was a little white savior-y though, no? Che could not get out of their funk -- even though up until that point they had been extremely good at not hiding from tough things in her life -- but thanks to listening to an inspirational chapter from Carrie's book, Che immediately snaps out of it and gets their life back together and takes action. Thank you, Carrie, for helping them out of their difficult spot without even really trying, that was magical of you.

Isn't it pretty to think so? I mean, I liked it! Part of me ate it up, but another part of me is mad at myself for it. I think I'm also a little offended that they did it in that "Carrie reads a book chapter which we perceive to be very meaningful and we just catch the last five sentences and look the whole audience is in tears and Che's life view is now changed" trope, Carrie just reads part of her book and it magically fixed Che! They didn't even have to have a conversation or anything, just Carrie's magical words did it alone.

I don't read it that way at all. First, I view Che and Carrie as professional equals and Carrie didn't ask Che there to be her adoring fan -- she asked them to come as a colleague who understands what it's like to get up in front of a crown and perform, and to need moral support. Carrie in no way expected Che to sit there with rapt attention to her reading -- she just wanted them to be a familiar face and help her deal with the weirdness with Kerry/Rachel Dratch.

I also don't think Che's life is suddenly changed. They realized that their relationship with Miranda had run its course and that they needed to make some changes to adjust to life post-pilot. Yes, Carrie's words about realizing that you had changed resonated, but in a way that had nothing really to do with the topic Carrie was actually talking about. In fact, Che was being typically self-centered (but this time in a good way) by viewing Carrie's comments on grief in an entirely self-focused way.

The fact that they don't talk about it is also no disempowering for Che, but reflects the fact that it's a realization they had on their own without Carrie's help. Che could have had that realization from seeing an ad on the subway, watching an episode of Real Housewives, or going to a bar and eavesdropping on a conversation. Carrie was incidental to Che's realization and decision to breakup with Miranda. She was just there, but she didn't "save" Che from anything.

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Anonymous wrote:When is this show going to be more realistic and talk about gaining weight, tired, lonely, and having to start wearing depends?

My parents are both 75 and they don’t wear Depends. My dad weighs what he always has, and my mom is in better shape than she was at 45. Why do you think all older adults have those issues?

+1, not everyone gains weight and gets incontinent in their 50s and 60s, this is a weird assumption.

I do actually think the show has done a good job of showing these women evolving in terms of how they spend their time, though. We rarely see them out at bars, for instance. We see them at home, at work or school, running errands, and occasionally getting together with one another for brunch or dinner. We see them grappling with how aging impacts each of them, from Miranda going gray and then deciding to dye again, to Charlotte being thrilled to be on a MILF list, to Carrie's sad jokes about being a widow and what that says about her self-image.

I don't think this is every woman's experience in their 50s or 60s, but the original SATC wasn't every woman's 30s either. The show has always focused pretty exclusively on the lives of wealth or upwardly mobile, well educated women within a very specific social set in NYC. It's narrow. But that's a big part of its charm, too.

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I mean, if my teen announced it, I would be like, "oh, ok, thank you for letting me know." However, if they are mature enough to have sex, they are also mature enough to be the one to go out to get the condoms in the snowstorm (absent some situation like a physical disability or injury). That part seemed over the top.

I have a 18-year-old daughter and literally took her to the OB/GYN for the first time this week. I can see both sides of this. On one, Lily saying that Blake couldn’t go because the drugstore guy might tell his mom was the perfect opportunity for Charlotte to tell her that if she wanted to do it, she had to be the one to go. On the other, the stark realization that they were going to do it and they would probably do it without condoms if she didn’t intervene, is a pretty strong motivator.

It makes no sense. Charlotte should have told Lily that if Blake was worried, Lily could be the one to go buy them. It's ridiculous. I would no more run out in a snowstorm to buy my 16 year old condoms and deliver them to him than I would be the one ask one of his high school teachers to give him an extension on an assignment.

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I mean, if my teen announced it, I would be like, "oh, ok, thank you for letting me know." However, if they are mature enough to have sex, they are also mature enough to be the one to go out to get the condoms in the snowstorm (absent some situation like a physical disability or injury). That part seemed over the top.

I have a 18-year-old daughter and literally took her to the OB/GYN for the first time this week. I can see both sides of this. On one, Lily saying that Blake couldn’t go because the drugstore guy might tell his mom was the perfect opportunity for Charlotte to tell her that if she wanted to do it, she had to be the one to go. On the other, the stark realization that they were going to do it and they would probably do it without condoms if she didn’t intervene, is a pretty strong motivator.

It makes no sense. Charlotte should have told Lily that if Blake was worried, Lily could be the one to go buy them. It's ridiculous. I would no more run out in a snowstorm to buy my 16 year old condoms and deliver them to him than I would be the one ask one of his high school teachers to give him an extension on an assignment.

It makes sense if you think they may do it without them if they’re both too embarrassed to get them themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:When is this show going to be more realistic and talk about gaining weight, tired, lonely, and having to start wearing depends?

Sucks to have your genetics. My parents are pushing 80 and no Depends in sight.

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Anonymous wrote:When is this show going to be more realistic and talk about gaining weight, tired, lonely, and having to start wearing depends?

Sucks to have your genetics. My parents are pushing 80 and no Depends in sight.

You are very lucky then so stfu.

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It makes no sense. Charlotte should have told Lily that if Blake was worried, Lily could be the one to go buy them. It's ridiculous. I would no more run out in a snowstorm to buy my 16 year old condoms and deliver them to him than I would be the one ask one of his high school teachers to give him an extension on an assignment.

It makes sense if you think they may do it without them if they’re both too embarrassed to get them themselves.

Then they are not mature enough to be having sex. I cannot imagine being like that at age 16 in NYC (where I grew up). Nobody at CVS cares what you are doing.