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Anonymous wrote:People who don’t understand the nuance of these neighborhoods don’t see the community both White oaks and Sangster parents are fighting for. A man with a house on the dividing line made it clear - his neighborhood is walkable for students to visit friends etc but moving him to LBSS makes most of his school. community across the parkway and Lee chapel, eliminating the community aspect. white oaks parents explained that their neighborhood is governed by 3 HOAS that would be split in strange ways, again eliminating the neighborhood community when the students go to different schools.

When these parents talk about community, it’s not the school it’s where their physical house is and the community they see daily, carpool with, walk to friends houses etc. but moving these schools they would no longer be part of that because the natural boundaries are the parkway - and kids aren’t crossing that alone to go play w a friend

I didn't understand that argument. There are no houses in that Sangster area that they're suggested moving in Scenario 4 where the dividing line is between houses. There's a house on Cottontail that's divided from its neighbors down the street in that scenario via Cherry Run Park. But the county usually uses natural boundaries like parks, woods and streams as dividing lines. The argument here is that kids would be able to play with their neighbors, but not other kids who go to their school because they couldn't walk to see them? Isn't that always the case, especially when it comes to middle and high schools? Are kids in that Sangster neighborhood walking up Keene Mill to hang out with their classmates from Daventry at the Plaza?

I understand that no one wants to leave their current school. I wish the county would look at less disruptive options, like their faulty CIP projections, why the number of transfers into "closed to transfers" WSHS has more than doubled in the past few years and residency checks. But FCPS isn't interested in doing any of that.

There’s not a park on cottontail. There is a swath of natural woods, but it’s not a significant space.

Kids from Sangster are walking up and down huntsman and Sydenstricker with their OHES and HVES base peers, some who actually went to Sangster with them in AAP. I’m unsure what Daventry has to do with this. They can safely bike to the many pools in this vicinity to go with friends. They go to the shopping center together and the lake.

The Irving kids aren't going to the Huntsman shopping center. Those are mostly LB kids.

The Irving kids hang out at the Whole Foods Plaza on Rolling Rd.

Interesting that you know where all of these kids go to school- our OHES/HVES/Sangster kids along huntsman absolutely walk to this shopping center.

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Anonymous wrote:Listening to the meeting last night, clearly something else needs to be done. But I'm sure the school board/Reid are not bold enough to do it and will cave to parents. Parents raised concerns over crowding at WSHS, and also that moving students from WSHS to LB will cause over-crowding issues in the next few years. Why is the only solution for WSHS over-crowding is to move them to LB?

Lewis borders WSHS and is severely under-enrolled. The change that needs to happen is that WSHS students need to be moved to Lewis, not to LB. But hearing parents raise concerns about moving from WSHS to LB, I'm sure the board is too scared to propose this change. I've lost faith in this entire process.

Only in Fairfax does a 1,500+ membership count as being “severely under-enrolled”. I’ve said it before, Lewis is bigger than 80-90% of the public high schools in the country.

The school board wants us to believe it’s severely underenrolled, but that’s just a myth.

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Anonymous wrote:The parent who made the bus comment was a white oaks parent. Not Sangster. I heard many people say LBSS is a great school it’s just not the middle school and HS experience they went for their student, which is a valid point. Please don’t lump all of together and make accusations like that.

Neither WO or Sangster parents threw any other neighborhoods under the bus with suggesting they “pick them” instead. I heard overwhelmingly that they consider slowing these decisions down and reexamine data. Perhaps voting on a partial county boundary change to allow more time with accurate data be examined in this area.

Someone is moving. Reid made that very clear. And if it’s not the Sangster split feeder and White Oaks attendance island then it will be West Springfield ES neighborhoods like Daventry, who will get returned to Lewis. Or sending Hunt Valley to Saratoga/Lewis or South County. Or maybe sending more of Orange Hunt to Sangster. Families are getting moved. It’s just a question of which ones.

I think this comment is to stoke the fires and spread more fear. It sounded like the community worked together last night to force more questions on data. I also hope it made Dr.Reid and the board to acknowledge how challenging this process has been for every member of the community.

Sandy Anderson has made it very clear the status quo won’t work. Current WSHS parents complain about overcrowding. SB and FCPS staff don’t care how challenging the process has been. Do you talk to any of them last night after the meeting? They are moving ahead with this. Someone is moving. The question is which neighborhood(s).

Why can't they pursue looking at detailed demographic projections at a more granular level, not moving anyone from another pyramid in, doing boundary checks, truly closing to transfers, moving German, etc.? We're not at WSHS, but all of those things should be common sense. Why is it not "first do no harm" instead of "spread the harm around to as many as possible for poorly thought-out reasons"?

Of course people will be upset about any redistricting that affects them, but it would be MUCH less upsetting if they made a more compelling case that accounts for reality.

To be fair, the vocal people are the ones getting moved or in danger of getting moved that want to stay at the school. There are also LOTS of people who want relief from overcrowding at WS. In fact, one of the first questions was about only reducing WSHS from 112% capacity to 106% capacity and why they weren't able to get it down lower in scenario 4.

Yes, I agree with you, and it's probably not resolvable with only the low hanging fruit, but it surprised me to hear how much low hanging fruit apparently hasn't been considered.

The Keene Mill Island and Sangster are the low hanging fruit.

Why not close the Afton Glenn Island as low hanging fruit?

Afton Glen is not zoned to WSHS.

Sorry, I meant if closing spilt feeders and attendance islands was the goal (and as many have said over and over again here), why is this region keeping an attendance island?

Because that neighborhood petitioned to stay where they were and generally these requests have been granted. They want to stay at Sangster and LB vs. getting punted entirely to Newington Forest and South County … which would be a downgrade for prestige and property values. Not a massive downgrade but a downgrade nonetheless, more at the elementary level.

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Anonymous wrote:Listening to the meeting last night, clearly something else needs to be done. But I'm sure the school board/Reid are not bold enough to do it and will cave to parents. Parents raised concerns over crowding at WSHS, and also that moving students from WSHS to LB will cause over-crowding issues in the next few years. Why is the only solution for WSHS over-crowding is to move them to LB?

Lewis borders WSHS and is severely under-enrolled. The change that needs to happen is that WSHS students need to be moved to Lewis, not to LB. But hearing parents raise concerns about moving from WSHS to LB, I'm sure the board is too scared to propose this change. I've lost faith in this entire process.

Only in Fairfax does a 1,500+ membership count as being “severely under-enrolled”. I’ve said it before, Lewis is bigger than 80-90% of the public high schools in the country.

The school board wants us to believe it’s severely underenrolled, but that’s just a myth.

And others have pointed out that the enrollment at Lewis is assessed in relation to other FCPS high schools. No one cares if it’s roughly the same size as Pulaski County HS or bigger than Meridian HS.

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Anonymous wrote:The parent who made the bus comment was a white oaks parent. Not Sangster. I heard many people say LBSS is a great school it’s just not the middle school and HS experience they went for their student, which is a valid point. Please don’t lump all of together and make accusations like that.

Neither WO or Sangster parents threw any other neighborhoods under the bus with suggesting they “pick them” instead. I heard overwhelmingly that they consider slowing these decisions down and reexamine data. Perhaps voting on a partial county boundary change to allow more time with accurate data be examined in this area.

Someone is moving. Reid made that very clear. And if it’s not the Sangster split feeder and White Oaks attendance island then it will be West Springfield ES neighborhoods like Daventry, who will get returned to Lewis. Or sending Hunt Valley to Saratoga/Lewis or South County. Or maybe sending more of Orange Hunt to Sangster. Families are getting moved. It’s just a question of which ones.

I think this comment is to stoke the fires and spread more fear. It sounded like the community worked together last night to force more questions on data. I also hope it made Dr.Reid and the board to acknowledge how challenging this process has been for every member of the community.

Sandy Anderson has made it very clear the status quo won’t work. Current WSHS parents complain about overcrowding. SB and FCPS staff don’t care how challenging the process has been. Do you talk to any of them last night after the meeting? They are moving ahead with this. Someone is moving. The question is which neighborhood(s).

Why can't they pursue looking at detailed demographic projections at a more granular level, not moving anyone from another pyramid in, doing boundary checks, truly closing to transfers, moving German, etc.? We're not at WSHS, but all of those things should be common sense. Why is it not "first do no harm" instead of "spread the harm around to as many as possible for poorly thought-out reasons"?

Of course people will be upset about any redistricting that affects them, but it would be MUCH less upsetting if they made a more compelling case that accounts for reality.

To be fair, the vocal people are the ones getting moved or in danger of getting moved that want to stay at the school. There are also LOTS of people who want relief from overcrowding at WS. In fact, one of the first questions was about only reducing WSHS from 112% capacity to 106% capacity and why they weren't able to get it down lower in scenario 4.

They could have gotten it down lower in scenario 4 if they had moved most of HV south of the Parkway to South County like they originally wanted. But then you had HV lobbying to stay at WS, which was granted, so now WSHS stays overcrowded. You can’t have it all - either everyone or most people stay at WS and it stays at 110%+ with trailers in essentially a brand new building, and the level of crowding will last until the large class of current 7th graders graduates. Or areas move out to address the crowding, but the people getting moved out end up at a smaller and more mixed income MS/HS (South County) or at the dreaded 7-12 secondary school (Lake Braddock) which they don’t want, so they lobby to stay.

Sangster and the Keene Mill island were always slated to go to Lake Braddock because that is the most obvious solution for WSHS.

This was not a bait and switch situation

It's definitely bait and switch to move white oaks kids to cherry run.

That part is a new switch.

Is that the neighborhood behind Glory Days?

No, South of glory days behind the library

I am surprised that neighborhood wasn't Cherry Run when it was built.

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Anonymous wrote:The parent who made the bus comment was a white oaks parent. Not Sangster. I heard many people say LBSS is a great school it’s just not the middle school and HS experience they went for their student, which is a valid point. Please don’t lump all of together and make accusations like that.

Neither WO or Sangster parents threw any other neighborhoods under the bus with suggesting they “pick them” instead. I heard overwhelmingly that they consider slowing these decisions down and reexamine data. Perhaps voting on a partial county boundary change to allow more time with accurate data be examined in this area.

Someone is moving. Reid made that very clear. And if it’s not the Sangster split feeder and White Oaks attendance island then it will be West Springfield ES neighborhoods like Daventry, who will get returned to Lewis. Or sending Hunt Valley to Saratoga/Lewis or South County. Or maybe sending more of Orange Hunt to Sangster. Families are getting moved. It’s just a question of which ones.

I think this comment is to stoke the fires and spread more fear. It sounded like the community worked together last night to force more questions on data. I also hope it made Dr.Reid and the board to acknowledge how challenging this process has been for every member of the community.

Sandy Anderson has made it very clear the status quo won’t work. Current WSHS parents complain about overcrowding. SB and FCPS staff don’t care how challenging the process has been. Do you talk to any of them last night after the meeting? They are moving ahead with this. Someone is moving. The question is which neighborhood(s).

Why can't they pursue looking at detailed demographic projections at a more granular level, not moving anyone from another pyramid in, doing boundary checks, truly closing to transfers, moving German, etc.? We're not at WSHS, but all of those things should be common sense. Why is it not "first do no harm" instead of "spread the harm around to as many as possible for poorly thought-out reasons"?

Of course people will be upset about any redistricting that affects them, but it would be MUCH less upsetting if they made a more compelling case that accounts for reality.

To be fair, the vocal people are the ones getting moved or in danger of getting moved that want to stay at the school. There are also LOTS of people who want relief from overcrowding at WS. In fact, one of the first questions was about only reducing WSHS from 112% capacity to 106% capacity and why they weren't able to get it down lower in scenario 4.

Yes, I agree with you, and it's probably not resolvable with only the low hanging fruit, but it surprised me to hear how much low hanging fruit apparently hasn't been considered.

The Keene Mill Island and Sangster are the low hanging fruit.

Why not close the Afton Glenn Island as low hanging fruit?

Afton Glen is not zoned to WSHS.

Sorry, I meant if closing spilt feeders and attendance islands was the goal (and as many have said over and over again here), why is this region keeping an attendance island?

I lived in that area years ago when it was being built up and before the Fairfax connector was constructed.

That Afton Glen neighborhood was not an attendance island. If I am remembering correctly, the small part separating it from the other Sangster neighborhoods was I think jus some private land on a large plot whete the house was located on Hooes Rd past the line where homes were zoned for SoCo.

When the landowners sold and the property developed, that plot retained zoning to SoCo.

Afton Glen wasn't built as an island. The ddvelopers created an island later.

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Anonymous wrote:i hear Saratoga Mom is showing up to Irving tonight to give Reid an earful about rezoning some of HVES to Saratoga/Key/Lewis

Well if she was there she didn’t ask a question. It was mostly pissed off White Oaks parents and Sangster parents who really dislike LBSS. One said LBSS middle schoolers get accosted on buses by HS students and are sexually harassed. It was wild.

It was not wild at all It was parents from many different schools voicing concerns for their children’s future. All done respectfully and with very good questions. I hope Reid heard the concerns - especially the questions about data and projected numbers and will take it to heart. I honestly felt more heard in that meeting than I have with SA and other members in previous conversations. But maybe Reid is just a better politician and better at making people feel like their comments are making an impact.

The wild reference wasn’t the whole night, that poster was referring to the negative comments about Lake Braddock….with the Lake Braddock principal there. That part was indeed wild and also awkward.

I’m the PP and yes, that’s what I meant. Sangster parents apparently believe LBSS is a crime-ridden dump where predatory seniors hit on 12 year old girls on the bus and in the halls and kids get hung on lockers and bullied. Sangster parents made it clear last night LBSS is really terrible. I guess it’s reputation as a good school is false.

My big take away is that Sangster and White Oak changes to close those split feeders and the attendance island will get reversed now. They’ll focus on areas that haven’t complained like Daventry and West Soringfield and reopen the changes they reversed from Scenario 3. Someone has to move and now it’s clear Sangster kids avoiding LBSS is the priority because the school is terrible and it’s 2 miles further away than WSHS. Most likely it means hundreds of kids will get moved to Lewis and South County.

West Soringfield neighborhoods are going to go to war with each other. I hope Racha and Sandy are pleased at what they’ve accomplished.

It wasn’t that dramatic I would say. A couple of people did mention that they have strong feelings about secondary schools in general. I think most people agree that LB is a great school. No one else said anything bad about it.

I spent 2+ hours listening to people complain about having to move to LBSS because it’s not part of their community (even though the rest of Sangster goes there) and how far away it is and how people want their babies to be babies and not surrounded by upper classmen. It sounds terrible. I’ve only been there for games and it looked okay to me but it sounds really bad with a lot of bullying and abuse towards 7th and 8th graders.

Honestly, that was one comment made by one parent and the entire rest of room thought it was cringe. The rest of the comments were thoughtful and reasonable. I was impressed by how White Oaks, Sangster, and HV parents all spoke with decorum. I also appreciated Dr. Reid staying far past ending time to finish questions. Tonight made me proud for the whole West Springfield community.

I wasn't bothered by that comment and my kid goes to LB. There are also LB kids who don't want to go to Irving because of Irving's reputation. All schools have good and bad. It's valid for someone not to want their 7th grader on the bus with 12th graders even if it's not everyone's priority.

I also thought Reid's response should have been thanks for your feedback and not basically gaslighting the commenter by trying to emotionally appeal to people and protect the principal's feelings. The principal doesn't know everything that goes on and Reid especially doesn't.

Irving kids are sexually active, experimenting with drugs and vapes, bullying kids, running amuk at the shopping center, and watching porn and violence on their phones too, just like the LBSS kids.

Hoing to a middle school vs a secondary school does not mean that the secondary kids have access to smart phones via the high school kids and the midfle school kids are tech free.

The high school boys at the secondary schools are NOT hitying on the 12 year old girls on the busses. These boys have grown up in the me too era with lots of training on how not to make girls uncomfortable. They are barely hitting in their high school classmates and wouldn't touch middle school girls with a 20 foot pole. Heck, they will rarely date girls 2 or 2 grades younger than them. This is not your 80s teen boys.

That parent's comments sounded as if tgey were a parent of very young children who did not have much experience with teenagers and middle school kids. It was well intended, but based on stereotypes a kindergarten parent would have about teenagers.

You're complaining about stereotypes when your last 2 paragraphs are full of them.

I didn't say Irving doesn't have issues. My child knows students there who have mentioned concerning issues. Same as LBSS. However, it's a fact that if you're riding a bus with only 7th and 8th graders you can't get hit on or bullied by high schoolers. That mom is allowed to want to protect her kid from that.

My LBSS MS student hangs out with high schoolers from their bus after school. In fact they don't walk around with any middle schoolers. Their 7th and 8th grade friends are on different buses and don't know high schoolers personally. The high schoolers comment on my kid's maturity compared to other middle schoolers. That's both a good and bad thing and not everyone's cup of tea. It doesn't mean you can pretend it away.

These aren't my stereotypes.

I am just restating that parent's stereotypes about issues she said are solely Lake Braddock issues due to the Lake Braddock high school kids.

Every school containing teenagers contains these issues, including Irving.

Lake Braddock is not some cesspool of teenage debauchery that is caused by the unique corrupting influence of the Lake Braddock high school students.

Where there are teenagers, there are kids with bad behavior who make bad choices..

I'm talking about this: "The high school boys at the secondary schools are NOT hitying on the 12 year old girls on the busses. These boys have grown up in the me too era with lots of training on how not to make girls uncomfortable. They are barely hitting in their high school classmates and wouldn't touch middle school girls with a 20 foot pole."

Generalization at best. A given parent isn't worried about what happens statistically. She doesn't want the possibility her kid can be hit on by a high schooler on the bus. Your generalizations doesn't protect her kid from that. Having a bus with only 7th and 8th graders does.

The high school boys are better trained now and are not hitying on 12 year olds on the Lake Braddock bus.

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Anonymous wrote:It's also fun how they are trying to push responsibility to BRAC. With all due respect and admiration for the amount of effort that they put in, it's unfair to hold them accountable to this extent. FCPS is paying consultants, people who are supposed to have expertise and experience!

Why don't the BRAC members openly pushback at these meetings when Thru and Dr. Reid openly discuss that they are decision makers? There were several BRAC members at last night's meeting (and I'm sure they are at all the other meeting as well).

They should! They are definitely going to be cited as ones behind unpopular moves

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Anonymous wrote:People who don’t understand the nuance of these neighborhoods don’t see the community both White oaks and Sangster parents are fighting for. A man with a house on the dividing line made it clear - his neighborhood is walkable for students to visit friends etc but moving him to LBSS makes most of his school. community across the parkway and Lee chapel, eliminating the community aspect. white oaks parents explained that their neighborhood is governed by 3 HOAS that would be split in strange ways, again eliminating the neighborhood community when the students go to different schools.

When these parents talk about community, it’s not the school it’s where their physical house is and the community they see daily, carpool with, walk to friends houses etc. but moving these schools they would no longer be part of that because the natural boundaries are the parkway - and kids aren’t crossing that alone to go play w a friend

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Community is walkable. Community is heading to the pools and seeing a friend. Community is meeting a friend and safely biking without crossing main roads.

And that entire communuty would get rezoned to Lake Braddock.

No… it wouldn’t. There would be exactly one neighborhood off of huntsman going to LBSS. The others stay WSHS.

Are you takking about the houses along Jenna right across from Huntsman Giant?

Those houses are not adjacent to WSHS zoned neighborhoods. It backs into the Sangster neighborhoods along reservation, that would also go to LB.

Or are you talking about the Beechway houses?

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Anonymous wrote:It's also fun how they are trying to push responsibility to BRAC. With all due respect and admiration for the amount of effort that they put in, it's unfair to hold them accountable to this extent. FCPS is paying consultants, people who are supposed to have expertise and experience!

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Anonymous wrote:The parent who made the bus comment was a white oaks parent. Not Sangster. I heard many people say LBSS is a great school it’s just not the middle school and HS experience they went for their student, which is a valid point. Please don’t lump all of together and make accusations like that.

Neither WO or Sangster parents threw any other neighborhoods under the bus with suggesting they “pick them” instead. I heard overwhelmingly that they consider slowing these decisions down and reexamine data. Perhaps voting on a partial county boundary change to allow more time with accurate data be examined in this area.

Someone is moving. Reid made that very clear. And if it’s not the Sangster split feeder and White Oaks attendance island then it will be West Springfield ES neighborhoods like Daventry, who will get returned to Lewis. Or sending Hunt Valley to Saratoga/Lewis or South County. Or maybe sending more of Orange Hunt to Sangster. Families are getting moved. It’s just a question of which ones.

I think this comment is to stoke the fires and spread more fear. It sounded like the community worked together last night to force more questions on data. I also hope it made Dr.Reid and the board to acknowledge how challenging this process has been for every member of the community.

Sandy Anderson has made it very clear the status quo won’t work. Current WSHS parents complain about overcrowding. SB and FCPS staff don’t care how challenging the process has been. Do you talk to any of them last night after the meeting? They are moving ahead with this. Someone is moving. The question is which neighborhood(s).

Someone is moving.

Dr. Reid told tge group towards the end that map 3 changes will be returning in map 4.

Did she mean specifically for the WSHS stuff you all are talking about, or in general? Could you tell based on wording? Just wondering because a change affecting my kids was in map 3 but went away in map 4.

I'm just guessing, but she probably meant putting Rolling Valley back in scenario 3, with all of the split feeder moving to Saratoga and continuing on to Key/Lewis as they have been. Scenario 4 kept half of that split feeder at Rolling Valley and let them move to Irving/WSHS from Key/Lewis.

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Anonymous wrote:The parent who made the bus comment was a white oaks parent. Not Sangster. I heard many people say LBSS is a great school it’s just not the middle school and HS experience they went for their student, which is a valid point. Please don’t lump all of together and make accusations like that.

Neither WO or Sangster parents threw any other neighborhoods under the bus with suggesting they “pick them” instead. I heard overwhelmingly that they consider slowing these decisions down and reexamine data. Perhaps voting on a partial county boundary change to allow more time with accurate data be examined in this area.

Someone is moving. Reid made that very clear. And if it’s not the Sangster split feeder and White Oaks attendance island then it will be West Springfield ES neighborhoods like Daventry, who will get returned to Lewis. Or sending Hunt Valley to Saratoga/Lewis or South County. Or maybe sending more of Orange Hunt to Sangster. Families are getting moved. It’s just a question of which ones.

I think this comment is to stoke the fires and spread more fear. It sounded like the community worked together last night to force more questions on data. I also hope it made Dr.Reid and the board to acknowledge how challenging this process has been for every member of the community.

Sandy Anderson has made it very clear the status quo won’t work. Current WSHS parents complain about overcrowding. SB and FCPS staff don’t care how challenging the process has been. Do you talk to any of them last night after the meeting? They are moving ahead with this. Someone is moving. The question is which neighborhood(s).

Someone is moving.

Dr. Reid told tge group towards the end that map 3 changes will be returning in map 4.

Did she mean specifically for the WSHS stuff you all are talking about, or in general? Could you tell based on wording? Just wondering because a change affecting my kids was in map 3 but went away in map 4.

Since she was talking to the Sangster parents, I assume she meant the map 3 for WSHS.

Maybe someone else at the meeting had a different take?

Early in the meeting she stated that map 3 was dead.

Later, she said some of the map 3 changes will need to come back.

I assumed she meant if Sangster talked their way into staying, then Hunt Valley now will need to leave.

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Anonymous wrote:It's also fun how they are trying to push responsibility to BRAC. With all due respect and admiration for the amount of effort that they put in, it's unfair to hold them accountable to this extent. FCPS is paying consultants, people who are supposed to have expertise and experience!

For supposed experts, Thru Consulting has brought the least expertise imaginable to the process. The leader of the project is a lot like Sandy Anderson - he’s not very bright but he tries to cover it up by affecting a smug, superior attitude. At this point he just wants to collect a check and run.

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Anonymous wrote:The parent who made the bus comment was a white oaks parent. Not Sangster. I heard many people say LBSS is a great school it’s just not the middle school and HS experience they went for their student, which is a valid point. Please don’t lump all of together and make accusations like that.

Neither WO or Sangster parents threw any other neighborhoods under the bus with suggesting they “pick them” instead. I heard overwhelmingly that they consider slowing these decisions down and reexamine data. Perhaps voting on a partial county boundary change to allow more time with accurate data be examined in this area.

Someone is moving. Reid made that very clear. And if it’s not the Sangster split feeder and White Oaks attendance island then it will be West Springfield ES neighborhoods like Daventry, who will get returned to Lewis. Or sending Hunt Valley to Saratoga/Lewis or South County. Or maybe sending more of Orange Hunt to Sangster. Families are getting moved. It’s just a question of which ones.

I think this comment is to stoke the fires and spread more fear. It sounded like the community worked together last night to force more questions on data. I also hope it made Dr.Reid and the board to acknowledge how challenging this process has been for every member of the community.

Sandy Anderson has made it very clear the status quo won’t work. Current WSHS parents complain about overcrowding. SB and FCPS staff don’t care how challenging the process has been. Do you talk to any of them last night after the meeting? They are moving ahead with this. Someone is moving. The question is which neighborhood(s).

Someone is moving.

Dr. Reid told tge group towards the end that map 3 changes will be returning in map 4.

Did she mean specifically for the WSHS stuff you all are talking about, or in general? Could you tell based on wording? Just wondering because a change affecting my kids was in map 3 but went away in map 4.

Since she was talking to the Sangster parents, I assume she meant the map 3 for WSHS.

Maybe someone else at the meeting had a different take?

Early in the meeting she stated that map 3 was dead.

Later, she said some of the map 3 changes will need to come back.

I assumed she meant if Sangster talked their way into staying, then Hunt Valley now will need to leave.

Will they send HV south of the parkway to LBSS? They're further away than that Sangster neighborhood. And there's not enough space at South County for them and it creates a new split feeder, which they said they didn't want to do. I guess they could take the entire Hunt Valley ES population and send it to Lewis, but that would be pretty unpopular and there are closer schools that could be moved to Lewis, like West Springfield ES. But then you run into the problem of the kids who can walk to Irving and WSHS from that area.

The cleanest solution was to close that Sangster split feeder. But if that's off the table all of the other options get even messier.

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Anonymous wrote:The parent who made the bus comment was a white oaks parent. Not Sangster. I heard many people say LBSS is a great school it’s just not the middle school and HS experience they went for their student, which is a valid point. Please don’t lump all of together and make accusations like that.

Neither WO or Sangster parents threw any other neighborhoods under the bus with suggesting they “pick them” instead. I heard overwhelmingly that they consider slowing these decisions down and reexamine data. Perhaps voting on a partial county boundary change to allow more time with accurate data be examined in this area.

Someone is moving. Reid made that very clear. And if it’s not the Sangster split feeder and White Oaks attendance island then it will be West Springfield ES neighborhoods like Daventry, who will get returned to Lewis. Or sending Hunt Valley to Saratoga/Lewis or South County. Or maybe sending more of Orange Hunt to Sangster. Families are getting moved. It’s just a question of which ones.

I think this comment is to stoke the fires and spread more fear. It sounded like the community worked together last night to force more questions on data. I also hope it made Dr.Reid and the board to acknowledge how challenging this process has been for every member of the community.

Sandy Anderson has made it very clear the status quo won’t work. Current WSHS parents complain about overcrowding. SB and FCPS staff don’t care how challenging the process has been. Do you talk to any of them last night after the meeting? They are moving ahead with this. Someone is moving. The question is which neighborhood(s).

Someone is moving.

Dr. Reid told tge group towards the end that map 3 changes will be returning in map 4.

Did she mean specifically for the WSHS stuff you all are talking about, or in general? Could you tell based on wording? Just wondering because a change affecting my kids was in map 3 but went away in map 4.

Since she was talking to the Sangster parents, I assume she meant the map 3 for WSHS.

Maybe someone else at the meeting had a different take?

Early in the meeting she stated that map 3 was dead.

Later, she said some of the map 3 changes will need to come back.

I assumed she meant if Sangster talked their way into staying, then Hunt Valley now will need to leave.

This was certainly not what Sangster parents were advocating for last night. They were asking for clearer/better data before any decisions should be made. This is not about kicking some neighborhoods out so others stay in...they were asking for hard transfer numbers, current enrollment data...etc.