Hayfield Football Coach Fired

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Realistically, what can FCPS do at this point? Can FCPS kick Hayfield back out of the playoffs?

Nothing. These HS principals, coaches, and parents are working off emotion. I don't have a dog in this fight but FCPS can't do anything now. A court has ruled on the injunctuon. If FCPS tries to act they will just be sued too. The time for FCPS to act was earlier. Now they have to wait until Dec. 4 like everyone else.

They can investigate and suspend or expel the students. They can fire the coach. The team would still compete, but without those players or coaches

Not after FCPS already cleared them. I need people to put on their thinking caps. I get that this sucks but let's think people!

😂 to the post you responded to!

Suspend and expel the students for what for going to the wrong school?

All that happens is the admin informs the parent the kid can’t attend school there and needs to go to their appropriate school

If the student returns to school after that information is given to the parent then technically the student is trespassing on school property if they are inside the building as an unenrolled student at that school.

I mean I know kids can be dumb sometimes we all know they do dumb things but if admin and the counselor bring you to the office say you can no longer attend here if you return tomorrow you are trespassing and can be arrested and taken to jail then even dumb kids know not to come to school

All that said, you can’t suspend or expel the kids for the parents enrolling them at the wrong place that’s not a suspension or expulsion offense.

Boundary fraud isn't quite as much of an issue in Fairfax as it is in the District but it still happens sometimes and is still enforced, when discovered.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Realistically, what can FCPS do at this point? Can FCPS kick Hayfield back out of the playoffs?

Nothing. These HS principals, coaches, and parents are working off emotion. I don't have a dog in this fight but FCPS can't do anything now. A court has ruled on the injunctuon. If FCPS tries to act they will just be sued too. The time for FCPS to act was earlier. Now they have to wait until Dec. 4 like everyone else.

They can investigate and suspend or expel the students. They can fire the coach. The team would still compete, but without those players or coaches

Not after FCPS already cleared them. I need people to put on their thinking caps. I get that this sucks but let's think people!

😂 to the post you responded to!

Suspend and expel the students for what for going to the wrong school?

All that happens is the admin informs the parent the kid can’t attend school there and needs to go to their appropriate school

If the student returns to school after that information is given to the parent then technically the student is trespassing on school property if they are inside the building as an unenrolled student at that school.

I mean I know kids can be dumb sometimes we all know they do dumb things but if admin and the counselor bring you to the office say you can no longer attend here if you return tomorrow you are trespassing and can be arrested and taken to jail then even dumb kids know not to come to school

All that said, you can’t suspend or expel the kids for the parents enrolling them at the wrong place that’s not a suspension or expulsion offense.

If it's proven that they knowingly lied to the district about anything, underclassmen can be prohibited from competing for 365 days.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Realistically, what can FCPS do at this point? Can FCPS kick Hayfield back out of the playoffs?

Nothing. These HS principals, coaches, and parents are working off emotion. I don't have a dog in this fight but FCPS can't do anything now. A court has ruled on the injunctuon. If FCPS tries to act they will just be sued too. The time for FCPS to act was earlier. Now they have to wait until Dec. 4 like everyone else.

They can investigate and suspend or expel the students. They can fire the coach. The team would still compete, but without those players or coaches

Not after FCPS already cleared them. I need people to put on their thinking caps. I get that this sucks but let's think people!

😂 to the post you responded to!

Suspend and expel the students for what for going to the wrong school?

All that happens is the admin informs the parent the kid can’t attend school there and needs to go to their appropriate school

If the student returns to school after that information is given to the parent then technically the student is trespassing on school property if they are inside the building as an unenrolled student at that school.

I mean I know kids can be dumb sometimes we all know they do dumb things but if admin and the counselor bring you to the office say you can no longer attend here if you return tomorrow you are trespassing and can be arrested and taken to jail then even dumb kids know not to come to school

All that said, you can’t suspend or expel the kids for the parents enrolling them at the wrong place that’s not a suspension or expulsion offense.

Boundary fraud isn't quite as much of an issue in Fairfax as it is in the District but it still happens sometimes and is still enforced, when discovered.

Got enforced on one of my kids' classmates who claimed he was living with a parent in-boundary but was found to have been living with the other parent out-of-boundary.

[Anonymous]

Can VHSL cancel the entire offseason?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Realistically, what can FCPS do at this point? Can FCPS kick Hayfield back out of the playoffs?

Nothing. These HS principals, coaches, and parents are working off emotion. I don't have a dog in this fight but FCPS can't do anything now. A court has ruled on the injunctuon. If FCPS tries to act they will just be sued too. The time for FCPS to act was earlier. Now they have to wait until Dec. 4 like everyone else.

They can investigate and suspend or expel the students. They can fire the coach. The team would still compete, but without those players or coaches

Not after FCPS already cleared them. I need people to put on their thinking caps. I get that this sucks but let's think people!

They can easily find comments through out the season to warrant firing the coach. They can pursue some of the bullying allegations and suspend the players

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Evidently Superintendent Reid blocked sports reporter Chad Ricardo and the Fox 5 crew (and other journalists) from the building last night during the meeting with the rival coaches, activities directors, and principals.

It also appears schools are still contemplating a boycott. What a mess.

Source?

The schools threatening are irrelevant. They don’t have the talent to beat Hayfield. They can go out there and have fun, but their chances of winning are slim.

If the schools in the south side of the bracket all boycott, that could shake things up. But those school probably won’t because those teams are more competitive and most of them feel they are capable of beating Hayfield. Heck Madison or W&L isn’t going to take a forfeit either. They probably don’t want to play Hayfield, but I would be surprised if they let the outside drama get in the way of them giving their best effort in their championship runs.

Totally disagree. I'm in 6C and the parents and coaches on this team have already spoken about it and will forfeit if it comes to playing against Hayfield.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Someone should text the 'sports reporter' Lady Money who did the interview and hosted it on her channel what happened to her video?

Fairfax Times will have kept copy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't see why FCPS can't tell Hayfield their football program is suspended and they are out of the playoffs--separate from the court case and VHSL actiaon--its an FCPS school program.

Because you don't punish innocent people for the actions of a few.

If you count your “few” as 30 players, then sure, don’t punish them. 99.99999% of the global population, at a basic level of mathematics and basic understanding of American football, would count 30 players as the entire starting lineup of any football program and more than just a “few.” Absolutely find a way to punish this football program for this gross display unsportsmanship.

Absolutely find a way to prevent this team from playing. Absolutely fire the head coach, DSA and principal and make rules that prevent this type of conduct from ever happening again. This is the only way address this issue presently. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS later approved the transfers of at least two former Hayfield players whose families had complained about their treatment by Overton and the newcomers.

Are they playing football at their new school? Transferred to play a sport. Where is the VHSL investigation about them.

Transfers due to bullying is allowed.

I am sure the fact that the bullying was from an adult employee made it easier.

Pls help me understand that BEFORE a game was even played an alleged case of bullying occurred by a coach and he wasn’t fired. Was the person saying Overton or someone on his staff? Then it’s NOT one case but two, for the alleged same offense, this can’t be possible.

Some kids mom claims he was bullied because she thought her kid would be a starter at Hayfield, but quickly realized there were some better athletes in the position her kid wanted to play. She then transferred him to South County where his starting position is also on the bench and the only time the boy gets on the field is to bring the players on the field water.

Is this family white?
How many of the 30 transfers are black?

Dorsey - the Hayfield to SoCo transfer - is black.

That’s the hilarity of all of these racism claims. Football in PW and FCPS is overwhelmingly black. Go to any youth league game - it’s the center of black family socialization in the fall.

Aren’t the Patriot, Concorde, and Liberty district teams overwhelmingly white, with the exception of the AC Titans? (Of course these districts include Alexandria and Arlington outside of FCPS.)

No

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't see why FCPS can't tell Hayfield their football program is suspended and they are out of the playoffs--separate from the court case and VHSL actiaon--its an FCPS school program.

Because you don't punish innocent people for the actions of a few.

If you count your “few” as 30 players, then sure, don’t punish them. 99.99999% of the global population, at a basic level of mathematics and basic understanding of American football, would count 30 players as the entire starting lineup of any football program and more than just a “few.” Absolutely find a way to punish this football program for this gross display unsportsmanship.

Absolutely find a way to prevent this team from playing. Absolutely fire the head coach, DSA and principal and make rules that prevent this type of conduct from ever happening again. This is the only way address this issue presently. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

If - as seems likely but no one has proven - the accusations against Hayfield are true do you think the rest of the team and at least half the school did not know?

[Anonymous]

If Hayfield's record was 3-7 (see Robinson Secondary School), nobody would care. There would be no complaints, protests, Gatehouse mobs, press hysteria. But, because they are whipping azz, y'all stay mad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Realistically, what can FCPS do at this point? Can FCPS kick Hayfield back out of the playoffs?

Nothing. These HS principals, coaches, and parents are working off emotion. I don't have a dog in this fight but FCPS can't do anything now. A court has ruled on the injunctuon. If FCPS tries to act they will just be sued too. The time for FCPS to act was earlier. Now they have to wait until Dec. 4 like everyone else.

FCPS could conduct a real investigation, but they won't. The schools could boycott the playoff games.

That also costs money I as a parent prefer they not spend because my girls go to a FCPS school. Football impacts a small subset of the FCPS population who don't want money going towards an investigation. If Fairfax City who called on it wants to fund it then sure, do the investigation.

Do you not realize how much FCPS is spending right now to do it wrong? The ask is to spend the money appropriately and not continue to waste how they are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If Hayfield's record was 3-7 (see Robinson Secondary School), nobody would care. There would be no complaints, protests, Gatehouse mobs, press hysteria. But, because they are whipping azz, y'all stay mad.

No, hon. You're barking up the wrong tree.

Allowing this sort of recruiting will distort high school sports across the region, to the detriment of everyone (except for Hatfield's seniors who will be gone). Rules of sportsmanship are not just about "punishing winners" but about protecting everyone, winners and losers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Realistically, what can FCPS do at this point? Can FCPS kick Hayfield back out of the playoffs?

Nothing. These HS principals, coaches, and parents are working off emotion. I don't have a dog in this fight but FCPS can't do anything now. A court has ruled on the injunctuon. If FCPS tries to act they will just be sued too. The time for FCPS to act was earlier. Now they have to wait until Dec. 4 like everyone else.

They can investigate and suspend or expel the students. They can fire the coach. The team would still compete, but without those players or coaches

Not after FCPS already cleared them. I need people to put on their thinking caps. I get that this sucks but let's think people!

😂 to the post you responded to!

Suspend and expel the students for what for going to the wrong school?

All that happens is the admin informs the parent the kid can’t attend school there and needs to go to their appropriate school

If the student returns to school after that information is given to the parent then technically the student is trespassing on school property if they are inside the building as an unenrolled student at that school.

I mean I know kids can be dumb sometimes we all know they do dumb things but if admin and the counselor bring you to the office say you can no longer attend here if you return tomorrow you are trespassing and can be arrested and taken to jail then even dumb kids know not to come to school

All that said, you can’t suspend or expel the kids for the parents enrolling them at the wrong place that’s not a suspension or expulsion offense.

Boundary fraud isn't quite as much of an issue in Fairfax as it is in the District but it still happens sometimes and is still enforced, when discovered.

Got enforced on one of my kids' classmates who claimed he was living with a parent in-boundary but was found to have been living with the other parent out-of-boundary.

And so the kid had to go to the appropriate school and maybe couldn’t do sports if they were doing sports

My initial post was more like the poster had said suspension expulsion like tossing kids for disciplinary issues like weapons drugs etc

Boundary fraud you just go to the proper school…on the “permanent record” that wouldn’t be defined as suspension or expulsion just changing schools

More me pointing how people are using certain terms completely wrong in the context of this whole situation

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Realistically, what can FCPS do at this point? Can FCPS kick Hayfield back out of the playoffs?

Nothing. These HS principals, coaches, and parents are working off emotion. I don't have a dog in this fight but FCPS can't do anything now. A court has ruled on the injunctuon. If FCPS tries to act they will just be sued too. The time for FCPS to act was earlier. Now they have to wait until Dec. 4 like everyone else.

They can investigate and suspend or expel the students. They can fire the coach. The team would still compete, but without those players or coaches

Not after FCPS already cleared them. I need people to put on their thinking caps. I get that this sucks but let's think people!

😂 to the post you responded to!

Suspend and expel the students for what for going to the wrong school?

All that happens is the admin informs the parent the kid can’t attend school there and needs to go to their appropriate school

If the student returns to school after that information is given to the parent then technically the student is trespassing on school property if they are inside the building as an unenrolled student at that school.

I mean I know kids can be dumb sometimes we all know they do dumb things but if admin and the counselor bring you to the office say you can no longer attend here if you return tomorrow you are trespassing and can be arrested and taken to jail then even dumb kids know not to come to school

All that said, you can’t suspend or expel the kids for the parents enrolling them at the wrong place that’s not a suspension or expulsion offense.

If it's proven that they knowingly lied to the district about anything, underclassmen can be prohibited from competing for 365 days.

Not allowed to compete for 365 days at your correct school is not the same as being suspended for fighting or vaping in the can or being expelled for calling in a bomb threat or threatening a teacher.

My point was people need to understand how to use words in context of the situation being discussed

Suspension and expulsion are not appropriate in this whole hayfield football adventure