US has no good options in Ukraine

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Anonymous wrote:Russia's disaster of an invasion has the opposite effect I think - it makes it much harder for China to invade Taiwan. Look at the vehemently negative world reaction towards Russia that is going to obliterate their economy. It has sped up Germany's diversification away from Russian energy up to 2035 (down from 2050). China went to great lengths during the winter Olympics this year to propagandize the opening ceremony where they tried to show that they were a peaceful country and a great world unifier. Invading Taiwan would ruing the soft image projection Xi is trying to promulgate, and would stoke an anti-Chinese backlash across the world just like what Russia has gotten. That's exactly the opposite of what Xi and the CCP want. The only way they'll take over Taiwan is if they start moving in mainland Chinese and install a pro-Chinese govt to change the culture of many years, just like what they're doing to Hong Kong.

Russia’s invasion has not gone as planned but any military plan ends as soon as action starts. Putin planned to conquer Ukraine in 48 hours. That’s not happening. But now Putin is raining down artillery on Ukrainian cities. Sanctions won’t stop him anymore than they’ve stopped Iran and North Korea.

Tens of thousands of ethnic Russian women and children died in Chechnya, population 1.3M people. Putin has no remorse or care about his own people. For a preview of where this goes look to the Balkans and Milosevic.

Chechnya’s destruction appears to be his game-plan.

But this time, it’s different.

He is slaughtering civilians just a few miles from EU countries; NATO countries.

And this time, he can not control the massive numbers of western journalists witnessing it all.

Another factor: Europeans relate to the Ukrainian people. They look and speak like the part of the EU we used to call Eastern Europe. Europe won’t sand for this, and we have many weapons of economic destruction to deploy against Russia and Belarus.

In contrast, when the Moslem Chechens were slaughtered, the Moslem and Arab world failed to do much to stop Putin.

I don't know if you listen to The Daily podcast, but today they talked about EU actions. Apparently Zelensky's speech to the EU really changed minds about their levels of support, dramatically. Anyway, it was a really interesting episode today. Some of their episodes in general are hit or miss, but I'd recommend this one.

People are trying so hard to dance around the fact that Ukrainians aren’t brown/black and/or Islamic.

1 million refugees relatively moved safely in a week is unheard of before.

Let’s be clear what the parsimonious reason is why it easily happened but never before

Yes. I am from Central Europe. Ukrainians are our neighbors; we share a similar history and culture. And yes, they look and behave like us. We are neighbors. Of course I am more ready to help and do something about the situation. Makes sense.

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Anonymous wrote:Russia's disaster of an invasion has the opposite effect I think - it makes it much harder for China to invade Taiwan. Look at the vehemently negative world reaction towards Russia that is going to obliterate their economy. It has sped up Germany's diversification away from Russian energy up to 2035 (down from 2050). China went to great lengths during the winter Olympics this year to propagandize the opening ceremony where they tried to show that they were a peaceful country and a great world unifier. Invading Taiwan would ruing the soft image projection Xi is trying to promulgate, and would stoke an anti-Chinese backlash across the world just like what Russia has gotten. That's exactly the opposite of what Xi and the CCP want. The only way they'll take over Taiwan is if they start moving in mainland Chinese and install a pro-Chinese govt to change the culture of many years, just like what they're doing to Hong Kong.

Russia’s invasion has not gone as planned but any military plan ends as soon as action starts. Putin planned to conquer Ukraine in 48 hours. That’s not happening. But now Putin is raining down artillery on Ukrainian cities. Sanctions won’t stop him anymore than they’ve stopped Iran and North Korea.

Tens of thousands of ethnic Russian women and children died in Chechnya, population 1.3M people. Putin has no remorse or care about his own people. For a preview of where this goes look to the Balkans and Milosevic.

Chechnya’s destruction appears to be his game-plan.

But this time, it’s different.

He is slaughtering civilians just a few miles from EU countries; NATO countries.

And this time, he can not control the massive numbers of western journalists witnessing it all.

Another factor: Europeans relate to the Ukrainian people. They look and speak like the part of the EU we used to call Eastern Europe. Europe won’t sand for this, and we have many weapons of economic destruction to deploy against Russia and Belarus.

In contrast, when the Moslem Chechens were slaughtered, the Moslem and Arab world failed to do much to stop Putin.

I don't know if you listen to The Daily podcast, but today they talked about EU actions. Apparently Zelensky's speech to the EU really changed minds about their levels of support, dramatically. Anyway, it was a really interesting episode today. Some of their episodes in general are hit or miss, but I'd recommend this one.

People are trying so hard to dance around the fact that Ukrainians aren’t brown/black and/or Islamic.

1 million refugees relatively moved safely in a week is unheard of before.

Let’s be clear what the parsimonious reason is why it easily happened but never before

Yes. I am from Central Europe. Ukrainians are our neighbors; we share a similar history and culture. And yes, they look and behave like us. We are neighbors. Of course I am more ready to help and do something about the situation. Makes sense.

Western European here. I agree. It's true that central and eastern Europeans have this reputation of being racist against Jews and people of color and non-Christians. Perhaps they have not had many opportunities to see them up up close in economically advantageous conditions (with exceptions). Western Europe has its own problems with Arabs, Muslims, Africans, Jews, etc...

Having said all this, and despite NOT BEING 100% WHITE MYSELF, I feel more kinship towards Ukrainians than to displaced and oppressed people elsewhere. Why? Because we are all European, and that counts for a lot.
We all remember the scars of WWII, we all remember the siege of Sarajevo, we all remember the Bosnian genocide. We feel physical repulsion at the idea of another massive land war on European soil.

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I suspect he's so brutal in Ukraine because he's trying to provoke NATO and its allies into further action, such as defending air space over Ukraine. The worse this gets, the harder it becomes ethically not to get involved. His deliberate and brutal targeting of civilians is designed to provoke us further into what looks a lot like the beginning of a world war.

I don't think that was his original intention - he really thought Ukrainians would welcome him, and the government would present much weaker opposition. But ultimately you're correct: there are reports of mass casualities, and as they increase, it will get harder and harder to avoid military intervention from NATO. I hope we can avoid it, because that is WWIII guaranteed.

What must happen, I hope, is that the West makes the sacrifice to stop buying oil and gas from Russia. It is literally what's propping up the Putin regime. No other client can make up for NATO countries, which are Russia's biggest clients by far. For some European countries, it will be a HUGE sacrifice - their populations will have difficulty heating their homes next winter, let alone using their cars. Agriculture will be particularly hard hit. Luckily, we are moving into Spring right now, so the psychological timing for popular opinion may be just lukewarm enough that governments in Germany and other places heavily dependent on Russian energy may be pressured into it, if images of genocide are emotional enough.

And that would be stop the war in its tracks. Russia cannot survive without its sales of energy.

So what we must advocate for, all of us, is a system of energy support for countries who need it the most (Germany, etc) in this time of crisis. We need to share resources. We need to make concessions to OPEC countries to strike some kind of deal. Pain at the pump will be significant, but that is the price of toppling the Russian regime which has been oppressing its citizens for decades, and murdering its neighbors and others civilians in war zones around the world.

Please call your senators and congresspeople.

+ 100 Billion
Yes, yes, yes!!
The West seems to think they can impose sanctions on Russia without feeling any pain themselves!!
It's crazy and completely politically calculated.
Yes, all the pols will get voted out when inflation goes crazy after gas and oil prices go crazy after completely cutting off Russian sales of gas and oil
BUT, there is oil in the middle east, and Biden has to ask for it to fulfill Europe's need for the moment.
Also, ALL companies in the west must cease doing business with Russia immediately, like TODAY!
How many more Ukrainians are going to be slaughtered? Must we let all those Ukrainian kids with cancer die because we don't want to pay more for gas? Where is the compassion of the West?
Because we can't pay more at the pump or keep our houses colder, or just drive less, or take public transport, all these Ukrainians have to DIE???
Where is the compassion of the West?

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Anonymous wrote:Russia's disaster of an invasion has the opposite effect I think - it makes it much harder for China to invade Taiwan. Look at the vehemently negative world reaction towards Russia that is going to obliterate their economy. It has sped up Germany's diversification away from Russian energy up to 2035 (down from 2050). China went to great lengths during the winter Olympics this year to propagandize the opening ceremony where they tried to show that they were a peaceful country and a great world unifier. Invading Taiwan would ruing the soft image projection Xi is trying to promulgate, and would stoke an anti-Chinese backlash across the world just like what Russia has gotten. That's exactly the opposite of what Xi and the CCP want. The only way they'll take over Taiwan is if they start moving in mainland Chinese and install a pro-Chinese govt to change the culture of many years, just like what they're doing to Hong Kong.

Russia’s invasion has not gone as planned but any military plan ends as soon as action starts. Putin planned to conquer Ukraine in 48 hours. That’s not happening. But now Putin is raining down artillery on Ukrainian cities. Sanctions won’t stop him anymore than they’ve stopped Iran and North Korea.

Tens of thousands of ethnic Russian women and children died in Chechnya, population 1.3M people. Putin has no remorse or care about his own people. For a preview of where this goes look to the Balkans and Milosevic.

Chechnya’s destruction appears to be his game-plan.

But this time, it’s different.

He is slaughtering civilians just a few miles from EU countries; NATO countries.

And this time, he can not control the massive numbers of western journalists witnessing it all.

Another factor: Europeans relate to the Ukrainian people. They look and speak like the part of the EU we used to call Eastern Europe. Europe won’t sand for this, and we have many weapons of economic destruction to deploy against Russia and Belarus.

In contrast, when the Moslem Chechens were slaughtered, the Moslem and Arab world failed to do much to stop Putin.

I don't know if you listen to The Daily podcast, but today they talked about EU actions. Apparently Zelensky's speech to the EU really changed minds about their levels of support, dramatically. Anyway, it was a really interesting episode today. Some of their episodes in general are hit or miss, but I'd recommend this one.

People are trying so hard to dance around the fact that Ukrainians aren’t brown/black and/or Islamic.

1 million refugees relatively moved safely in a week is unheard of before.

Let’s be clear what the parsimonious reason is why it easily happened but never before

And don't forget that most of the Ukrainian refugees entered Poland. The Poles HATE the Russians. DESPISE. LOATHE. RUSSIA. So the Poles are happy to do whatever they can to welcome Ukrainians escape the Russian aggression.

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Anonymous wrote:Russia's disaster of an invasion has the opposite effect I think - it makes it much harder for China to invade Taiwan. Look at the vehemently negative world reaction towards Russia that is going to obliterate their economy. It has sped up Germany's diversification away from Russian energy up to 2035 (down from 2050). China went to great lengths during the winter Olympics this year to propagandize the opening ceremony where they tried to show that they were a peaceful country and a great world unifier. Invading Taiwan would ruing the soft image projection Xi is trying to promulgate, and would stoke an anti-Chinese backlash across the world just like what Russia has gotten. That's exactly the opposite of what Xi and the CCP want. The only way they'll take over Taiwan is if they start moving in mainland Chinese and install a pro-Chinese govt to change the culture of many years, just like what they're doing to Hong Kong.

Russia’s invasion has not gone as planned but any military plan ends as soon as action starts. Putin planned to conquer Ukraine in 48 hours. That’s not happening. But now Putin is raining down artillery on Ukrainian cities. Sanctions won’t stop him anymore than they’ve stopped Iran and North Korea.

Tens of thousands of ethnic Russian women and children died in Chechnya, population 1.3M people. Putin has no remorse or care about his own people. For a preview of where this goes look to the Balkans and Milosevic.

Chechnya’s destruction appears to be his game-plan.

But this time, it’s different.

He is slaughtering civilians just a few miles from EU countries; NATO countries.

And this time, he can not control the massive numbers of western journalists witnessing it all.

Another factor: Europeans relate to the Ukrainian people. They look and speak like the part of the EU we used to call Eastern Europe. Europe won’t sand for this, and we have many weapons of economic destruction to deploy against Russia and Belarus.

In contrast, when the Moslem Chechens were slaughtered, the Moslem and Arab world failed to do much to stop Putin.

I don't know if you listen to The Daily podcast, but today they talked about EU actions. Apparently Zelensky's speech to the EU really changed minds about their levels of support, dramatically. Anyway, it was a really interesting episode today. Some of their episodes in general are hit or miss, but I'd recommend this one.

People are trying so hard to dance around the fact that Ukrainians aren’t brown/black and/or Islamic.

1 million refugees relatively moved safely in a week is unheard of before.

Let’s be clear what the parsimonious reason is why it easily happened but never before

Yes. I am from Central Europe. Ukrainians are our neighbors; we share a similar history and culture. And yes, they look and behave like us. We are neighbors. Of course I am more ready to help and do something about the situation. Makes sense.

Western European here. I agree. It's true that central and eastern Europeans have this reputation of being racist against Jews and people of color and non-Christians. Perhaps they have not had many opportunities to see them up up close in economically advantageous conditions (with exceptions). Western Europe has its own problems with Arabs, Muslims, Africans, Jews, etc...

Having said all this, and despite NOT BEING 100% WHITE MYSELF, I feel more kinship towards Ukrainians than to displaced and oppressed people elsewhere. Why? Because we are all European, and that counts for a lot.
We all remember the scars of WWII, we all remember the siege of Sarajevo, we all remember the Bosnian genocide. We feel physical repulsion at the idea of another massive land war on European soil.




This is what I’m talking about. Look PPs need to just be clear and say things with their chest. Don’t say “have this reputation” and “perhaps”.

Use honest terms. “Are” is more clear and accurate if you sub it for the above phrases.

It’s funny that Ukraine will get EU membership before Turkey for example even though Turkey is doing more than almost anyone to save Ukrainians with drones.

Why? It isn’t because of gdp/per capita (Turkey is a basketcase but richer even on that metric).

It is because of looks and Islam.

I don’t have a horse in this either way, I’m just curious why people can’t be clear and honest about these things.

What will be interesting is as the US becomes more brown and diverse, as a body politic, it’ll start to Very slowly change American foreign policy that was par for course in the post ww2 era.

I can tell you that average black and brown people (who are not in the dc space) are pretty tuned out to what’s happening in Ukraine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Russia's disaster of an invasion has the opposite effect I think - it makes it much harder for China to invade Taiwan. Look at the vehemently negative world reaction towards Russia that is going to obliterate their economy. It has sped up Germany's diversification away from Russian energy up to 2035 (down from 2050). China went to great lengths during the winter Olympics this year to propagandize the opening ceremony where they tried to show that they were a peaceful country and a great world unifier. Invading Taiwan would ruing the soft image projection Xi is trying to promulgate, and would stoke an anti-Chinese backlash across the world just like what Russia has gotten. That's exactly the opposite of what Xi and the CCP want. The only way they'll take over Taiwan is if they start moving in mainland Chinese and install a pro-Chinese govt to change the culture of many years, just like what they're doing to Hong Kong.

Russia’s invasion has not gone as planned but any military plan ends as soon as action starts. Putin planned to conquer Ukraine in 48 hours. That’s not happening. But now Putin is raining down artillery on Ukrainian cities. Sanctions won’t stop him anymore than they’ve stopped Iran and North Korea.

Tens of thousands of ethnic Russian women and children died in Chechnya, population 1.3M people. Putin has no remorse or care about his own people. For a preview of where this goes look to the Balkans and Milosevic.

Chechnya’s destruction appears to be his game-plan.

But this time, it’s different.

He is slaughtering civilians just a few miles from EU countries; NATO countries.

And this time, he can not control the massive numbers of western journalists witnessing it all.

Another factor: Europeans relate to the Ukrainian people. They look and speak like the part of the EU we used to call Eastern Europe. Europe won’t sand for this, and we have many weapons of economic destruction to deploy against Russia and Belarus.

In contrast, when the Moslem Chechens were slaughtered, the Moslem and Arab world failed to do much to stop Putin.

I don't know if you listen to The Daily podcast, but today they talked about EU actions. Apparently Zelensky's speech to the EU really changed minds about their levels of support, dramatically. Anyway, it was a really interesting episode today. Some of their episodes in general are hit or miss, but I'd recommend this one.

People are trying so hard to dance around the fact that Ukrainians aren’t brown/black and/or Islamic.

1 million refugees relatively moved safely in a week is unheard of before.

Let’s be clear what the parsimonious reason is why it easily happened but never before

And don't forget that most of the Ukrainian refugees entered Poland. The Poles HATE the Russians. DESPISE. LOATHE. RUSSIA. So the Poles are happy to do whatever they can to welcome Ukrainians escape the Russian aggression.

Poland has not been welcoming whatsoever to noncaucasian and/or Muslim refugees. Educate oneself on the refugee crisis between Belarus and Poland. I don’t know exactly where they’re coming from, but there is a constant pilgrimage of refugees coming into Belarus to get to Poland, the first country in the EU. So the two countries have been fighting over what to do with them. Poland has set up huge fences, sprays them chemicals and water, heavily arms their boarder, shines bright lights on them constantly, won’t let them in to seek asylum. Belarus doesn’t know what to do with them, claims they don’t want asylum or to stay in Belarus so they won’t leave the boarder, create huge makeshift refugee camps along the border in the woods. Poland says Belarus encourages the refugees to go to the Polish border and are forcing them to stay there to upset Poland, that they’re using the refugees as puppets. Videos of the sheer volume/numbers of migrants are incredible, thousands at a time.

They look like they may be coming from Syria, but I don’t know. Poland doesn’t want them. It’s a major conflict between them and Belarus.

So now look at what’s happening with Ukraine. It’s not surprising Poland would be hesitant to accept anyone that isn’t from the Ukraine or doesn’t look stereotypical Ukrainian, given just north in Belarus there are thousands of refugees trying to cross into Poland. I believe a fear/conspiracy has been these people may have crossed into the Ukraine and are now trying to get into Poland with Ukrainians.

So now you’ve got Poland allowing hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians to cross, in one week, but they wouldn’t let hardly any of the dark skinned, black haired, brown eyed people come in from Belarus, many of whom are also fleeing war. It is what it is, not my theories. But it’s still depressing.

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It is gonna be hilarious after this conflict when Polish, Hungarian, and German Working class get pissed with Ukrainians that stay and compete for jobs as well as the future eu integration that stems out of it.

People feel good about their virtue signaling now but in 10 years time the same poles and Hungarians are gonna be cursing the EU.

Poles are two faced. They love nato and eu money. They hate EU and NATO edicts.

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Anonymous wrote:Russia's disaster of an invasion has the opposite effect I think - it makes it much harder for China to invade Taiwan. Look at the vehemently negative world reaction towards Russia that is going to obliterate their economy. It has sped up Germany's diversification away from Russian energy up to 2035 (down from 2050). China went to great lengths during the winter Olympics this year to propagandize the opening ceremony where they tried to show that they were a peaceful country and a great world unifier. Invading Taiwan would ruing the soft image projection Xi is trying to promulgate, and would stoke an anti-Chinese backlash across the world just like what Russia has gotten. That's exactly the opposite of what Xi and the CCP want. The only way they'll take over Taiwan is if they start moving in mainland Chinese and install a pro-Chinese govt to change the culture of many years, just like what they're doing to Hong Kong.

Russia’s invasion has not gone as planned but any military plan ends as soon as action starts. Putin planned to conquer Ukraine in 48 hours. That’s not happening. But now Putin is raining down artillery on Ukrainian cities. Sanctions won’t stop him anymore than they’ve stopped Iran and North Korea.

Tens of thousands of ethnic Russian women and children died in Chechnya, population 1.3M people. Putin has no remorse or care about his own people. For a preview of where this goes look to the Balkans and Milosevic.

Chechnya’s destruction appears to be his game-plan.

But this time, it’s different.

He is slaughtering civilians just a few miles from EU countries; NATO countries.

And this time, he can not control the massive numbers of western journalists witnessing it all.

Another factor: Europeans relate to the Ukrainian people. They look and speak like the part of the EU we used to call Eastern Europe. Europe won’t sand for this, and we have many weapons of economic destruction to deploy against Russia and Belarus.

In contrast, when the Moslem Chechens were slaughtered, the Moslem and Arab world failed to do much to stop Putin.

I don't know if you listen to The Daily podcast, but today they talked about EU actions. Apparently Zelensky's speech to the EU really changed minds about their levels of support, dramatically. Anyway, it was a really interesting episode today. Some of their episodes in general are hit or miss, but I'd recommend this one.

People are trying so hard to dance around the fact that Ukrainians aren’t brown/black and/or Islamic.

1 million refugees relatively moved safely in a week is unheard of before.

Let’s be clear what the parsimonious reason is why it easily happened but never before

Yes. I am from Central Europe. Ukrainians are our neighbors; we share a similar history and culture. And yes, they look and behave like us. We are neighbors. Of course I am more ready to help and do something about the situation. Makes sense.

Western European here. I agree. It's true that central and eastern Europeans have this reputation of being racist against Jews and people of color and non-Christians. Perhaps they have not had many opportunities to see them up up close in economically advantageous conditions (with exceptions). Western Europe has its own problems with Arabs, Muslims, Africans, Jews, etc...

Having said all this, and despite NOT BEING 100% WHITE MYSELF, I feel more kinship towards Ukrainians than to displaced and oppressed people elsewhere. Why? Because we are all European, and that counts for a lot.
We all remember the scars of WWII, we all remember the siege of Sarajevo, we all remember the Bosnian genocide. We feel physical repulsion at the idea of another massive land war on European soil.

This is what I’m talking about. Look PPs need to just be clear and say things with their chest. Don’t say “have this reputation” and “perhaps”.

Use honest terms. “Are” is more clear and accurate if you sub it for the above phrases.

It’s funny that Ukraine will get EU membership before Turkey for example even though Turkey is doing more than almost anyone to save Ukrainians with drones.

Why? It isn’t because of gdp/per capita (Turkey is a basketcase but richer even on that metric).

It is because of looks and Islam.

I don’t have a horse in this either way, I’m just curious why people can’t be clear and honest about these things.

What will be interesting is as the US becomes more brown and diverse, as a body politic, it’ll start to Very slowly change American foreign policy that was par for course in the post ww2 era.

I can tell you that average black and brown people (who are not in the dc space) are pretty tuned out to what’s happening in Ukraine.




As a black person I can’t help but think this is true. The US did the exact same thing as Putin did back in 2003 with Iraq. The white, western world wasn’t outraged. Why? I can’t help but think that part of it was because Ukrainians are white and Iraqis are brown and Muslim.

Should the US financial system have been shut off from the world and should US athletes be banned from the olympics because of the invasion of Iraq?

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Anonymous wrote:Russia's disaster of an invasion has the opposite effect I think - it makes it much harder for China to invade Taiwan. Look at the vehemently negative world reaction towards Russia that is going to obliterate their economy. It has sped up Germany's diversification away from Russian energy up to 2035 (down from 2050). China went to great lengths during the winter Olympics this year to propagandize the opening ceremony where they tried to show that they were a peaceful country and a great world unifier. Invading Taiwan would ruing the soft image projection Xi is trying to promulgate, and would stoke an anti-Chinese backlash across the world just like what Russia has gotten. That's exactly the opposite of what Xi and the CCP want. The only way they'll take over Taiwan is if they start moving in mainland Chinese and install a pro-Chinese govt to change the culture of many years, just like what they're doing to Hong Kong.

Russia’s invasion has not gone as planned but any military plan ends as soon as action starts. Putin planned to conquer Ukraine in 48 hours. That’s not happening. But now Putin is raining down artillery on Ukrainian cities. Sanctions won’t stop him anymore than they’ve stopped Iran and North Korea.

Tens of thousands of ethnic Russian women and children died in Chechnya, population 1.3M people. Putin has no remorse or care about his own people. For a preview of where this goes look to the Balkans and Milosevic.

Chechnya’s destruction appears to be his game-plan.

But this time, it’s different.

He is slaughtering civilians just a few miles from EU countries; NATO countries.

And this time, he can not control the massive numbers of western journalists witnessing it all.

Another factor: Europeans relate to the Ukrainian people. They look and speak like the part of the EU we used to call Eastern Europe. Europe won’t sand for this, and we have many weapons of economic destruction to deploy against Russia and Belarus.

In contrast, when the Moslem Chechens were slaughtered, the Moslem and Arab world failed to do much to stop Putin.

I don't know if you listen to The Daily podcast, but today they talked about EU actions. Apparently Zelensky's speech to the EU really changed minds about their levels of support, dramatically. Anyway, it was a really interesting episode today. Some of their episodes in general are hit or miss, but I'd recommend this one.

People are trying so hard to dance around the fact that Ukrainians aren’t brown/black and/or Islamic.

1 million refugees relatively moved safely in a week is unheard of before.

Let’s be clear what the parsimonious reason is why it easily happened but never before

Yes. I am from Central Europe. Ukrainians are our neighbors; we share a similar history and culture. And yes, they look and behave like us. We are neighbors. Of course I am more ready to help and do something about the situation. Makes sense.

Western European here. I agree. It's true that central and eastern Europeans have this reputation of being racist against Jews and people of color and non-Christians. Perhaps they have not had many opportunities to see them up up close in economically advantageous conditions (with exceptions). Western Europe has its own problems with Arabs, Muslims, Africans, Jews, etc...

Having said all this, and despite NOT BEING 100% WHITE MYSELF, I feel more kinship towards Ukrainians than to displaced and oppressed people elsewhere. Why? Because we are all European, and that counts for a lot.
We all remember the scars of WWII, we all remember the siege of Sarajevo, we all remember the Bosnian genocide. We feel physical repulsion at the idea of another massive land war on European soil.

This is what I’m talking about. Look PPs need to just be clear and say things with their chest. Don’t say “have this reputation” and “perhaps”.

Use honest terms. “Are” is more clear and accurate if you sub it for the above phrases.

It’s funny that Ukraine will get EU membership before Turkey for example even though Turkey is doing more than almost anyone to save Ukrainians with drones.

Why? It isn’t because of gdp/per capita (Turkey is a basketcase but richer even on that metric).

It is because of looks and Islam.

I don’t have a horse in this either way, I’m just curious why people can’t be clear and honest about these things.

What will be interesting is as the US becomes more brown and diverse, as a body politic, it’ll start to Very slowly change American foreign policy that was par for course in the post ww2 era.

I can tell you that average black and brown people (who are not in the dc space) are pretty tuned out to what’s happening in Ukraine.

As a black person I can’t help but think this is true. The US did the exact same thing as Putin did back in 2003 with Iraq. The white, western world wasn’t outraged. Why? I can’t help but think that part of it was because Ukrainians are white and Iraqis are brown and Muslim.

Should the US financial system have been shut off from the world and should US athletes be banned from the olympics because of the invasion of Iraq?

The Mesopotamians are White.

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This is what I’m talking about. Look PPs need to just be clear and say things with their chest. Don’t say “have this reputation” and “perhaps”.

Use honest terms. “Are” is more clear and accurate if you sub it for the above phrases.

It’s funny that Ukraine will get EU membership before Turkey for example even though Turkey is doing more than almost anyone to save Ukrainians with drones.

Why? It isn’t because of gdp/per capita (Turkey is a basketcase but richer even on that metric).

It is because of looks and Islam.

I don’t have a horse in this either way, I’m just curious why people can’t be clear and honest about these things.

What will be interesting is as the US becomes more brown and diverse, as a body politic, it’ll start to Very slowly change American foreign policy that was par for course in the post ww2 era.

I can tell you that average black and brown people (who are not in the dc space) are pretty tuned out to what’s happening in Ukraine.

I don't know about black people but brown people simply aren't involved in (interested in) political issues, generally. At the domestic or foreign level. So I wouldn't expect them to care about this, one way or the other.

Does that mean that the United States shouldn't care? Or that citizens shouldn't care?

[Anonymous]

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This is what I’m talking about. Look PPs need to just be clear and say things with their chest. Don’t say “have this reputation” and “perhaps”.

Use honest terms. “Are” is more clear and accurate if you sub it for the above phrases.

It’s funny that Ukraine will get EU membership before Turkey for example even though Turkey is doing more than almost anyone to save Ukrainians with drones.

Why? It isn’t because of gdp/per capita (Turkey is a basketcase but richer even on that metric).

It is because of looks and Islam.

I don’t have a horse in this either way, I’m just curious why people can’t be clear and honest about these things.

What will be interesting is as the US becomes more brown and diverse, as a body politic, it’ll start to Very slowly change American foreign policy that was par for course in the post ww2 era.

I can tell you that average black and brown people (who are not in the dc space) are pretty tuned out to what’s happening in Ukraine.

I don't know about black people but brown people simply aren't involved in (interested in) political issues, generally. At the domestic or foreign level. So I wouldn't expect them to care about this, one way or the other.

Does that mean that the United States shouldn't care? Or that citizens shouldn't care?

No. But I am saying as the US becomes browner (a fact), it’ll be very interesting to see the gulf between voters and dc increase when it comes to foreign affairs.


This just isn’t a Ukrainian thing either. Usa-israel policy will 100% shift due to this as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This is what I’m talking about. Look PPs need to just be clear and say things with their chest. Don’t say “have this reputation” and “perhaps”.

Use honest terms. “Are” is more clear and accurate if you sub it for the above phrases.

It’s funny that Ukraine will get EU membership before Turkey for example even though Turkey is doing more than almost anyone to save Ukrainians with drones.

Why? It isn’t because of gdp/per capita (Turkey is a basketcase but richer even on that metric).

It is because of looks and Islam.

I don’t have a horse in this either way, I’m just curious why people can’t be clear and honest about these things.

What will be interesting is as the US becomes more brown and diverse, as a body politic, it’ll start to Very slowly change American foreign policy that was par for course in the post ww2 era.

I can tell you that average black and brown people (who are not in the dc space) are pretty tuned out to what’s happening in Ukraine.

I don't know about black people but brown people simply aren't involved in (interested in) political issues, generally. At the domestic or foreign level. So I wouldn't expect them to care about this, one way or the other.

Does that mean that the United States shouldn't care? Or that citizens shouldn't care?

No. But I am saying as the US becomes browner (a fact), it’ll be very interesting to see the gulf between voters and dc increase when it comes to foreign affairs.


This just isn’t a Ukrainian thing either. Usa-israel policy will 100% shift due to this as well.

Uh, if Russia does succeed, even partially, in taking Ukraine, then China will move towards taking Taiwan. And Europe will be drawn into military conflict in one or both arenas. And the US will be drawn into military conflict in one or both arenas.

And every American will care. One way or the other.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This is what I’m talking about. Look PPs need to just be clear and say things with their chest. Don’t say “have this reputation” and “perhaps”.

Use honest terms. “Are” is more clear and accurate if you sub it for the above phrases.

It’s funny that Ukraine will get EU membership before Turkey for example even though Turkey is doing more than almost anyone to save Ukrainians with drones.

Why? It isn’t because of gdp/per capita (Turkey is a basketcase but richer even on that metric).

It is because of looks and Islam.

I don’t have a horse in this either way, I’m just curious why people can’t be clear and honest about these things.

What will be interesting is as the US becomes more brown and diverse, as a body politic, it’ll start to Very slowly change American foreign policy that was par for course in the post ww2 era.

I can tell you that average black and brown people (who are not in the dc space) are pretty tuned out to what’s happening in Ukraine.

I don't know about black people but brown people simply aren't involved in (interested in) political issues, generally. At the domestic or foreign level. So I wouldn't expect them to care about this, one way or the other.

Does that mean that the United States shouldn't care? Or that citizens shouldn't care?

No. But I am saying as the US becomes browner (a fact), it’ll be very interesting to see the gulf between voters and dc increase when it comes to foreign affairs.


This just isn’t a Ukrainian thing either. Usa-israel policy will 100% shift due to this as well.

The brown people in the US are all about adopting and building on western philosophy and culture, just as the Romans did with Greek and Western Europe did with Roman. Their ties will be with similar minded countries and people. They will not plead allegiance to skin color, but to culture and vision for the future.

As for US policy in Israel, it’s already shifted, but of course it will be slow and low key, as is the case with China.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This is what I’m talking about. Look PPs need to just be clear and say things with their chest. Don’t say “have this reputation” and “perhaps”.

Use honest terms. “Are” is more clear and accurate if you sub it for the above phrases.

It’s funny that Ukraine will get EU membership before Turkey for example even though Turkey is doing more than almost anyone to save Ukrainians with drones.

Why? It isn’t because of gdp/per capita (Turkey is a basketcase but richer even on that metric).

It is because of looks and Islam.

I don’t have a horse in this either way, I’m just curious why people can’t be clear and honest about these things.

What will be interesting is as the US becomes more brown and diverse, as a body politic, it’ll start to Very slowly change American foreign policy that was par for course in the post ww2 era.

I can tell you that average black and brown people (who are not in the dc space) are pretty tuned out to what’s happening in Ukraine.

I don't know about black people but brown people simply aren't involved in (interested in) political issues, generally. At the domestic or foreign level. So I wouldn't expect them to care about this, one way or the other.

Does that mean that the United States shouldn't care? Or that citizens shouldn't care?

No. But I am saying as the US becomes browner (a fact), it’ll be very interesting to see the gulf between voters and dc increase when it comes to foreign affairs.


This just isn’t a Ukrainian thing either. Usa-israel policy will 100% shift due to this as well.

Uh, if Russia does succeed, even partially, in taking Ukraine, then China will move towards taking Taiwan. And Europe will be drawn into military conflict in one or both arenas. And the US will be drawn into military conflict in one or both arenas.

And every American will care. One way or the other.

No need for all out war, cripple them economically as was the case with USSR.

[Anonymous]

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