White Male Anger

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Anonymous wrote:As a white male, I'm more than willing to sit down and take my talking to. It's hundreds of years overdue. I mean that.

What I do get upset about is certain behaviors I see in the school system. And it could be as minor as all the teachers getting together to wear "Girls Rule" shirts (one even worse the shirt that "Boys Drool)"

Or when my son was running for a position in the government, and his female classmate won, his teacher cheered and "said oh yay, I was hoping a girl would win."

Keep in mind, that this was after the current crop of school government didnt have any boys in it all.

There are many little micro-examples of boys feeling marginalized in school, and I have many many more, and we're seeing the long term results of that already in education, with fewer boys pursuing higher education

As an African American women, I feel the impact of racism every damn day and you're complaining about a t-shirt.

Any discrimination is wrong. If we decide to tolerate "just a little", guess who gets shafted the hardest?

You missed the point. Discrimination and institutional racism are two different experiences. The problem with the post that it equates white male fragility with institutionalized racism. Go tell Ahmaud Arbery about that t-shirt incident, both happened in 2020.

Oh wait, he's dead. Hunted down and killed. Killed on camera. I had to explain the killing to my child. The thing is, I have to explain the advertising messages, on t-shirts, to my kid too.

Or, the day that I came home upset because my white boss asked me to use the men's bathroom so that the women's bathroom could be saved for a white woman who was a cancer survivor. I never heard that you could get COVID-19 from a toilet seat in a different stall.

So it would be ok if I ran around with my "Men Rule" t-shirt because it isn't killing anybody?

I am sorry about your workplace, the entitlement of white women and COVID can't be fixed until we have some people willing to trust science instead of their grade school intuition.

The toilet issue wasn’t about color. She’s making it about color. It was concern over a cancer survivor

It was deference to the white woman so there wasn't a Karen moment. A cancer survivor isn't at significantly more risk:

https://www.today.com/health/coronavirus-cancer-risk-survivors-immunocompromised-patients-t175903

Patients with a history of cancer who are not currently on therapy and don’t have active cancer are probably not at significantly increased risk compared to other people in their age group, Moore said.

"probably" not is not terribly reassuring.

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Anonymous wrote:As a white male, I'm more than willing to sit down and take my talking to. It's hundreds of years overdue. I mean that.

What I do get upset about is certain behaviors I see in the school system. And it could be as minor as all the teachers getting together to wear "Girls Rule" shirts (one even worse the shirt that "Boys Drool)"

Or when my son was running for a position in the government, and his female classmate won, his teacher cheered and "said oh yay, I was hoping a girl would win."

Keep in mind, that this was after the current crop of school government didnt have any boys in it all.

There are many little micro-examples of boys feeling marginalized in school, and I have many many more, and we're seeing the long term results of that already in education, with fewer boys pursuing higher education

As an African American women, I feel the impact of racism every damn day and you're complaining about a t-shirt.

Any discrimination is wrong. If we decide to tolerate "just a little", guess who gets shafted the hardest?

You missed the point. Discrimination and institutional racism are two different experiences. The problem with the post that it equates white male fragility with institutionalized racism. Go tell Ahmaud Arbery about that t-shirt incident, both happened in 2020.

Oh wait, he's dead. Hunted down and killed. Killed on camera. I had to explain the killing to my child. The thing is, I have to explain the advertising messages, on t-shirts, to my kid too.

Or, the day that I came home upset because my white boss asked me to use the men's bathroom so that the women's bathroom could be saved for a white woman who was a cancer survivor. I never heard that you could get COVID-19 from a toilet seat in a different stall.

So it would be ok if I ran around with my "Men Rule" t-shirt because it isn't killing anybody?

I am sorry about your workplace, the entitlement of white women and COVID can't be fixed until we have some people willing to trust science instead of their grade school intuition.

The toilet issue wasn’t about color. She’s making it about color. It was concern over a cancer survivor

It was deference to the white woman so there wasn't a Karen moment. A cancer survivor isn't at significantly more risk:

https://www.today.com/health/coronavirus-cancer-risk-survivors-immunocompromised-patients-t175903

Patients with a history of cancer who are not currently on therapy and don’t have active cancer are probably not at significantly increased risk compared to other people in their age group, Moore said.

"probably" not is not terribly reassuring.

But in the meantime, every cancer survivor gets their own private bathroom at work?

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Anonymous wrote:As a white male, I'm more than willing to sit down and take my talking to. It's hundreds of years overdue. I mean that.

What I do get upset about is certain behaviors I see in the school system. And it could be as minor as all the teachers getting together to wear "Girls Rule" shirts (one even worse the shirt that "Boys Drool)"

Or when my son was running for a position in the government, and his female classmate won, his teacher cheered and "said oh yay, I was hoping a girl would win."

Keep in mind, that this was after the current crop of school government didnt have any boys in it all.

There are many little micro-examples of boys feeling marginalized in school, and I have many many more, and we're seeing the long term results of that already in education, with fewer boys pursuing higher education

As an African American women, I feel the impact of racism every damn day and you're complaining about a t-shirt.

Any discrimination is wrong. If we decide to tolerate "just a little", guess who gets shafted the hardest?

You missed the point. Discrimination and institutional racism are two different experiences. The problem with the post that it equates white male fragility with institutionalized racism. Go tell Ahmaud Arbery about that t-shirt incident, both happened in 2020.

Oh wait, he's dead. Hunted down and killed. Killed on camera. I had to explain the killing to my child. The thing is, I have to explain the advertising messages, on t-shirts, to my kid too.

Or, the day that I came home upset because my white boss asked me to use the men's bathroom so that the women's bathroom could be saved for a white woman who was a cancer survivor. I never heard that you could get COVID-19 from a toilet seat in a different stall.

So it would be ok if I ran around with my "Men Rule" t-shirt because it isn't killing anybody?

I am sorry about your workplace, the entitlement of white women and COVID can't be fixed until we have some people willing to trust science instead of their grade school intuition.

The toilet issue wasn’t about color. She’s making it about color. It was concern over a cancer survivor

It was deference to the white woman so there wasn't a Karen moment. A cancer survivor isn't at significantly more risk:

https://www.today.com/health/coronavirus-cancer-risk-survivors-immunocompromised-patients-t175903

Patients with a history of cancer who are not currently on therapy and don’t have active cancer are probably not at significantly increased risk compared to other people in their age group, Moore said.

"probably" not is not terribly reassuring.

But in the meantime, every cancer survivor gets their own private bathroom at work?

In this instance how big is the workplace and how many cancer survivors are we talking about? Without the details its hard to answer. If this is a small office environment of 5 men and 5 women I don't see the big deal to make one coworker feel safe. But if there are 30 women sharing a restroom I can see the problem. Workplaces make accommodations for people all the time.

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Anonymous wrote:As a white male, I'm more than willing to sit down and take my talking to. It's hundreds of years overdue. I mean that.

What I do get upset about is certain behaviors I see in the school system. And it could be as minor as all the teachers getting together to wear "Girls Rule" shirts (one even worse the shirt that "Boys Drool)"

Or when my son was running for a position in the government, and his female classmate won, his teacher cheered and "said oh yay, I was hoping a girl would win."

Keep in mind, that this was after the current crop of school government didnt have any boys in it all.

There are many little micro-examples of boys feeling marginalized in school, and I have many many more, and we're seeing the long term results of that already in education, with fewer boys pursuing higher education

As an African American women, I feel the impact of racism every damn day and you're complaining about a t-shirt.

Any discrimination is wrong. If we decide to tolerate "just a little", guess who gets shafted the hardest?

You missed the point. Discrimination and institutional racism are two different experiences. The problem with the post that it equates white male fragility with institutionalized racism. Go tell Ahmaud Arbery about that t-shirt incident, both happened in 2020.

Oh wait, he's dead. Hunted down and killed. Killed on camera. I had to explain the killing to my child. The thing is, I have to explain the advertising messages, on t-shirts, to my kid too.

Or, the day that I came home upset because my white boss asked me to use the men's bathroom so that the women's bathroom could be saved for a white woman who was a cancer survivor. I never heard that you could get COVID-19 from a toilet seat in a different stall.

So it would be ok if I ran around with my "Men Rule" t-shirt because it isn't killing anybody?

I am sorry about your workplace, the entitlement of white women and COVID can't be fixed until we have some people willing to trust science instead of their grade school intuition.

The toilet issue wasn’t about color. She’s making it about color. It was concern over a cancer survivor

It was deference to the white woman so there wasn't a Karen moment. A cancer survivor isn't at significantly more risk:

https://www.today.com/health/coronavirus-cancer-risk-survivors-immunocompromised-patients-t175903

Patients with a history of cancer who are not currently on therapy and don’t have active cancer are probably not at significantly increased risk compared to other people in their age group, Moore said.

"probably" not is not terribly reassuring.

But in the meantime, every cancer survivor gets their own private bathroom at work?

In this instance how big is the workplace and how many cancer survivors are we talking about? Without the details its hard to answer. If this is a small office environment of 5 men and 5 women I don't see the big deal to make one coworker feel safe. But if there are 30 women sharing a restroom I can see the problem. Workplaces make accommodations for people all the time.

Reasonable accommodations. This accomodation isn't reasonable or based on any science. Just someone's irrational fear.

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This is where you lost me. Why should men who are alive today have to compete with historical statistics? The women and minorities alive now should be given the chance to succeed, as should the white men. No one is "owed" a position based on their historical representation... you weren't alive then to be wronged. Neither should a group be penalized based on their historical representation, as they weren't alive to benefit from that "privilege."

Tragedy undoubtedly happened throughout much of our country’s history. But my son wasn’t part of the problem. When did we start penalizing people for the sins of other people’s ancestors?

This in no way excuses you of your (and your white son's) obligation to pay reparations to the victms.

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Anonymous wrote:As a white male, I'm more than willing to sit down and take my talking to. It's hundreds of years overdue. I mean that.

What I do get upset about is certain behaviors I see in the school system. And it could be as minor as all the teachers getting together to wear "Girls Rule" shirts (one even worse the shirt that "Boys Drool)"

Or when my son was running for a position in the government, and his female classmate won, his teacher cheered and "said oh yay, I was hoping a girl would win."

Keep in mind, that this was after the current crop of school government didnt have any boys in it all.

There are many little micro-examples of boys feeling marginalized in school, and I have many many more, and we're seeing the long term results of that already in education, with fewer boys pursuing higher education

As an African American women, I feel the impact of racism every damn day and you're complaining about a t-shirt.

Any discrimination is wrong. If we decide to tolerate "just a little", guess who gets shafted the hardest?

You missed the point. Discrimination and institutional racism are two different experiences. The problem with the post that it equates white male fragility with institutionalized racism. Go tell Ahmaud Arbery about that t-shirt incident, both happened in 2020.

Oh wait, he's dead. Hunted down and killed. Killed on camera. I had to explain the killing to my child. The thing is, I have to explain the advertising messages, on t-shirts, to my kid too.

Or, the day that I came home upset because my white boss asked me to use the men's bathroom so that the women's bathroom could be saved for a white woman who was a cancer survivor. I never heard that you could get COVID-19 from a toilet seat in a different stall.

So it would be ok if I ran around with my "Men Rule" t-shirt because it isn't killing anybody?

I am sorry about your workplace, the entitlement of white women and COVID can't be fixed until we have some people willing to trust science instead of their grade school intuition.

The toilet issue wasn’t about color. She’s making it about color. It was concern over a cancer survivor

It was deference to the white woman so there wasn't a Karen moment. A cancer survivor isn't at significantly more risk:

https://www.today.com/health/coronavirus-cancer-risk-survivors-immunocompromised-patients-t175903

Patients with a history of cancer who are not currently on therapy and don’t have active cancer are probably not at significantly increased risk compared to other people in their age group, Moore said.

"probably" not is not terribly reassuring.

But in the meantime, every cancer survivor gets their own private bathroom at work?

In this instance how big is the workplace and how many cancer survivors are we talking about? Without the details its hard to answer. If this is a small office environment of 5 men and 5 women I don't see the big deal to make one coworker feel safe. But if there are 30 women sharing a restroom I can see the problem. Workplaces make accommodations for people all the time.

Reasonable accommodations. This accomodation isn't reasonable or based on any science. Just someone's irrational fear.

If the alternative was that this person go out on medical leave and I got stuck doing all their work, I think I'd just suck it up.

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OP - Trump has fed this for years.

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Anonymous wrote:Pp that shared the story about my son and the school election (and the all female staff wearing Girlz Rul shirts)

I’m not trying to equate these micro aggressions with institutional racism. But when you’re an eight year old or nine-year-old or 10-year-old boy it does mean everything to him.

And while I have never had to explain to him that there are People That don’t like him simply based on the color of his skin, I did have to explain to him that they was somebody important in his life, his teacher, that didn’t want to see him succeed simply based off his gender. And to be frank that was a very difficult conversation. I’m not suggesting it as difficult conversations that people of color have to have. But it involved a lot of tears and to be honest I don’t think he understood why his teacher didn’t want to see him win simply because he was a boy. It was a hard lesson.

This isn’t a zero sum game. There can be institutional sexism in the schools and institutional racism in society

And yes, this was raised to the principal. The teacher never mentioned it or apologized.

That's awful. People seem to forget that you can have institutional racism and white men can have greater privilege in society overall but an individual child can be hurt by those who focus on promoting greater equality in society. It's not that child's fault that white men run corporations and government. There is a real crisis in how boys get turned off from school in the elementary years and that applies to boys of all colors. Certainly it is worse for Black and Hispanic boys but all would be helped if the schools thought about how all students could be supported as individuals.

I was also really frustrated by the lack of programs for boys, *all* boys, when my son was young. He was disinterested in school and needed opportunities to try out things that could spark an interest. We'd hear about an interesting weekend program but turns out it's just for girls or just for minority boys. Fortunately, we can afford to pay for camps and tutors so he did get what he needed but I can totally understand a low income white family getting really angry at the school system's decision that they don't really need to invest anything in white boys' success.

You weren't looking hard enough. If I saw a camp open to a certain segment of society, I could also find 10 more camps for the general population.

+1 I find it hard to believe there's an elementary school or district out there where none of the programs are open for white boys to participate in.

Certainly there were programs he could participate in - because we could and did pay for them. My concern was that the free programs were largely excluding white boys so I can see why that would add to the anger of low-income whites who start to feel that the world is against them.

I have worked for many years with kids in high risk populations, often in public schools. While I have worked with programs that targeted "under-served" youth, none of the programs that I worked with -- or have knowledge of -- would have excluded a white boy, or any child, as long as they met the other criteria for admission. What might have happened, though, is that the white child would have been one of the few white kids in the program. The majority of the teachers and student assistants would not have been white. The activities would have been chosen to interest and support the majority of the students, and their neighborhood's needs. So, while a white male student would have been more than welcomed by the program and encouraged to attend, the programs would not be centered around a white male experience. I wonder how many parents of white boys decide not to enroll their sons because of this, or because they incorrectly feel that a program sponsored by, say, a Black social service organization, might not be a good fit for their child.
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Anonymous wrote:As a white male, I'm more than willing to sit down and take my talking to. It's hundreds of years overdue. I mean that.

What I do get upset about is certain behaviors I see in the school system. And it could be as minor as all the teachers getting together to wear "Girls Rule" shirts (one even worse the shirt that "Boys Drool)"

Or when my son was running for a position in the government, and his female classmate won, his teacher cheered and "said oh yay, I was hoping a girl would win."

Keep in mind, that this was after the current crop of school government didnt have any boys in it all.

There are many little micro-examples of boys feeling marginalized in school, and I have many many more, and we're seeing the long term results of that already in education, with fewer boys pursuing higher education

As an African American women, I feel the impact of racism every damn day and you're complaining about a t-shirt.

Any discrimination is wrong. If we decide to tolerate "just a little", guess who gets shafted the hardest?

You missed the point. Discrimination and institutional racism are two different experiences. The problem with the post that it equates white male fragility with institutionalized racism. Go tell Ahmaud Arbery about that t-shirt incident, both happened in 2020.

Oh wait, he's dead. Hunted down and killed. Killed on camera. I had to explain the killing to my child. The thing is, I have to explain the advertising messages, on t-shirts, to my kid too.

Or, the day that I came home upset because my white boss asked me to use the men's bathroom so that the women's bathroom could be saved for a white woman who was a cancer survivor. I never heard that you could get COVID-19 from a toilet seat in a different stall.

So it would be ok if I ran around with my "Men Rule" t-shirt because it isn't killing anybody?

I am sorry about your workplace, the entitlement of white women and COVID can't be fixed until we have some people willing to trust science instead of their grade school intuition.

The toilet issue wasn’t about color. She’s making it about color. It was concern over a cancer survivor

No, he did not ask the other white person using the restroom to do the same. wheni pointed it out, he retreated in the request. The other white person is a part of a very conversation community.

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Anonymous wrote:As a white male, I'm more than willing to sit down and take my talking to. It's hundreds of years overdue. I mean that.

What I do get upset about is certain behaviors I see in the school system. And it could be as minor as all the teachers getting together to wear "Girls Rule" shirts (one even worse the shirt that "Boys Drool)"

Or when my son was running for a position in the government, and his female classmate won, his teacher cheered and "said oh yay, I was hoping a girl would win."

Keep in mind, that this was after the current crop of school government didnt have any boys in it all.

There are many little micro-examples of boys feeling marginalized in school, and I have many many more, and we're seeing the long term results of that already in education, with fewer boys pursuing higher education

As an African American women, I feel the impact of racism every damn day and you're complaining about a t-shirt.

Any discrimination is wrong. If we decide to tolerate "just a little", guess who gets shafted the hardest?

You missed the point. Discrimination and institutional racism are two different experiences. The problem with the post that it equates white male fragility with institutionalized racism. Go tell Ahmaud Arbery about that t-shirt incident, both happened in 2020.

Oh wait, he's dead. Hunted down and killed. Killed on camera. I had to explain the killing to my child. The thing is, I have to explain the advertising messages, on t-shirts, to my kid too.

Or, the day that I came home upset because my white boss asked me to use the men's bathroom so that the women's bathroom could be saved for a white woman who was a cancer survivor. I never heard that you could get COVID-19 from a toilet seat in a different stall.

So it would be ok if I ran around with my "Men Rule" t-shirt because it isn't killing anybody?

I am sorry about your workplace, the entitlement of white women and COVID can't be fixed until we have some people willing to trust science instead of their grade school intuition.

The toilet issue wasn’t about color. She’s making it about color. It was concern over a cancer survivor

No, he did not ask the other white person using the restroom to do the same. wheni pointed it out, he retreated in the request. The other white person is a part of a very conversation community.

conservative.

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Anonymous wrote:Black man here. It sounds like everybody is angry...and that's okay. We can all do better. It's not a contest to see who gets mistreated the most.

It is for angry white males, apparently.

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Nina Simone sang a song about it

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1028246060912165&id=55786679557

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Anonymous wrote:Female here I can’t speak to other things but I can definitely say my young son is not seeing boys on tv being role models. Everything is geared toward girls now. Characters being changed to female all the time. It’s ridiculous to swing so far to the other side so all I can show my son is old tv shows or movies with a boy lead.

Why cant you son look to female role models? Girls have had to look to male role models for years! My nephew an avid skier just wanted a famous woman skier because that is his role model! If you are showing him old stuff he will get thr ideas that only white men can do stuff and save the day.

Your son wont break if he is shown women or POC as lead actors!

I hate when someone says it had "swung too far the other way" where we were you when yhe great white male way was the only way?

There have been strong female role models in the media, it's just that the media does it horribly these days and shoves the diversity crap down your throat. They used to do it better back in the old days. Evvvvvvvvvvvveryone loves a strong female character like Ripley from Aliens, or a strong black character like Sidney Poitier. But these days, they do diversity for diversity's sake, and it is lame as hell. It is phony grandstanding to cater toward an agenda. Everyone can see through the flimsy efforts.

Agreed. It is forced and contrived. Every ad these days features a white man/black woman couple. This is a really tiny percentage of marriages IRL. A white/Asian couple would be more realistic. But, no, the media, government and corporate America seems to have this rabid compulsion to pander to black people this year and earn their SJW points.

Corporate America cares about the money. They always have. So when you see more diversity in advertising, it is recognizing the reality of who is spending money, period. That's why the cleaning product ads are STILL all directed at women.

No, they do a LOT to mold cultural change in the US. It is not all about the money, or you would not see corporations making really political statements that alienate half of the country. They have political goals.

Wrong. Corporate America is all about the money. Most Americans said they support BLM, and boom, all of a sudden there is Target "taking a stand." People 18-34 overwhelmingly support racial and gender equality and are comfortable with same sex marriage and intermarriage. Nike was ahead of the game a little with support of Kaep, but that's only because they know their buyers.

I'm guessing that you are young PP. You actually need to have watched the transition. The majority of people did NOT support same sex marriage not so long ago. And innumerable companies putting up pride messages, marketing pride clothing, etc. is absolutely meant to influence opinion. And 18-34 year olds are not the ones driving most spending.

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Anonymous wrote:As a white male, I'm more than willing to sit down and take my talking to. It's hundreds of years overdue. I mean that.

What I do get upset about is certain behaviors I see in the school system. And it could be as minor as all the teachers getting together to wear "Girls Rule" shirts (one even worse the shirt that "Boys Drool)"

Or when my son was running for a position in the government, and his female classmate won, his teacher cheered and "said oh yay, I was hoping a girl would win."

Keep in mind, that this was after the current crop of school government didnt have any boys in it all.

There are many little micro-examples of boys feeling marginalized in school, and I have many many more, and we're seeing the long term results of that already in education, with fewer boys pursuing higher education

As an African American women, I feel the impact of racism every damn day and you're complaining about a t-shirt.

If you are feeling the impact of racism every damn day, then I suggest you get therapy.

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Anonymous wrote:16 pages of this crap.

The only thing I've learned is that everyone is a professional victim and it's always someone else's or some other group's fault. No one is capable or responsible for taking their destiny and success into their own hands.

Ahhh the toxicity if ID politics. Thanks democrats.

No, you should thank Fox News. It’s the biggest propagator of identity politics that exists. Trump is the white identity politics POTUS.

You don't get out much, do you?