White Male Anger

[Anonymous]

The thing about this movement is that they are explicitly racist (see the "white men invented 99% of all things in society" PP) and then throw around statistics about how hard *men* have it to support their position.

If you parse out the worrisome stats about men when it comes to graduation, incarceration, early death, basically all of their talking points -- they're trying to piggyback off the trauma of men of color (by and large black, but not exclusively) to support the statement that white men have it the worst, and then turn around and spout racist nonsense about how only white men are deserving. It's all very "both sides of the mouth" and doesn't really deserve to be addressed as an intellectual endeavor.

[Anonymous]

1. the majority of our political leaders are white males
2. the majority of our corporate leaders are white males
3. white males make more than females, of any group

What exactly are these white males whining about now?

I agree with the PPs.. this is about the fact that white males have historically not had to compete as much with women and minorities, and now the do, and they don't like it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Girls get massively more freebies and attention....look at every metric across the board. Boy are disciplined more than girls at almost every age in school. Boys by far and away are pumped much more full with drugs like ritalin at an early age compared to girls simply because they have more energy and low energy female teachers can't handle them. Women have higher rates of acceptance to college these days, so much so that the gender imbalance is getting so bad at some universities that colleges now have to go out of their way to recruit men. Men have had gender death gaps that have existed for forever now, yet women's health issues constantly get more funding. Men will die more from cancer, diabetes, heart disease, alzheimer's and almost every other disease at a higher rate than women, yet do you see the NFL and all sorts of other big companies/orgs taking on men's health? No, the PC crap forces them to have pink awareness days for breast cancer even though men 1 out of every 2 men will get cancer in their lifetime. It's also absolutely asinine the number of grants and other opportunities that are only specifically available to women in STEM. Just for existing you get extra bonus points tacked on to your funding application of you have a vagina in STEM. Maybe women simply go into STEM less out of free choice. Time to give men extra advantages when it comes to gender disparities in fields like nursing school admissions because men have penises. We also should be calling out the hypocrisy of billion dollar industries that have huge pay gap disparities for female models compared to male models. Men should be getting paid more in the fashion industry.

Why do men have so much more wealth than women?
Why are women (and children) so much more likely to wind up in poverty compared to men?
Why do men hold more than 50% of Congressional seats when they make up less than half of the population?
Why has there never been a female President?
Why are women so much more likely to die from domestic violence than men?
Why are so many more women the victim of sexual assault compared to men?
Why are there so many missing girls and women in the world?
Why are the top companies and firms run by men?
Why have four times as many women dropped out of the work force compared to men during the pandemic?

[Anonymous]

Why did you assume your husband’s gender?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Girls get massively more freebies and attention....look at every metric across the board. Boy are disciplined more than girls at almost every age in school. Boys by far and away are pumped much more full with drugs like ritalin at an early age compared to girls simply because they have more energy and low energy female teachers can't handle them. Women have higher rates of acceptance to college these days, so much so that the gender imbalance is getting so bad at some universities that colleges now have to go out of their way to recruit men. Men have had gender death gaps that have existed for forever now, yet women's health issues constantly get more funding. Men will die more from cancer, diabetes, heart disease, alzheimer's and almost every other disease at a higher rate than women, yet do you see the NFL and all sorts of other big companies/orgs taking on men's health? No, the PC crap forces them to have pink awareness days for breast cancer even though men 1 out of every 2 men will get cancer in their lifetime. It's also absolutely asinine the number of grants and other opportunities that are only specifically available to women in STEM. Just for existing you get extra bonus points tacked on to your funding application of you have a vagina in STEM. Maybe women simply go into STEM less out of free choice. Time to give men extra advantages when it comes to gender disparities in fields like nursing school admissions because men have penises. We also should be calling out the hypocrisy of billion dollar industries that have huge pay gap disparities for female models compared to male models. Men should be getting paid more in the fashion industry.

If a male majors in biology at a slac, he'd have an advantage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, it's a movement. I'm not clear that it's "intellectual". I'd be interested to hear what they have to support their rants -- besides their own shared opinions.

- What would they like to see happen to young white boys? There's school, there's sports, there are a whole host of other activities if parents choose to pursue them. While it is true that there are efforts to support some members of minority groups and girls -- these efforts are linked to the under-representation and under-investment in these groups historically.

- Who is calling them / saying these things? Note: If you're Justice Kavanaugh, that's because there are very specific concerns that need to be addressed.

- Let's have some stats on that. (Note, the ones that I know about do not suggest anything close to this. Check the numbers on hiring, firing, and salaries.)

- Which "media" and what do you mean by "taken over"? Again, provide some data. How many head anchors are women and/or minorities? How many women and minorities have their own news shows?

- White men seem to be doing pretty fine as I see it -- particularly if they're Republican. How many Senators have been women and/or members of minority groups in the last 100 years? CEOs of major corporations? In any case, my point is that I don't feel these assertions are supported by data.

tldr: Got any data to support the rant? I'll wait.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/09/us/powerful-people-race-us.html Look at this.

So: The proportion of white men running things still, by far, exceeds their percentage of the population. Although some things have shifted very slowly over the last few decades. What did I miss here? I will go back and read through this carefully, but this article seems to show that white men are continuing to do very well when it comes to power and rewards. Which doesn't mean that ALL white men will do well, but it does mean that white men do well in ways that far exceed their percentage of the population.

[Anonymous]

Female here I can’t speak to other things but I can definitely say my young son is not seeing boys on tv being role models. Everything is geared toward girls now. Characters being changed to female all the time. It’s ridiculous to swing so far to the other side so all I can show my son is old tv shows or movies with a boy lead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, it's a movement. I'm not clear that it's "intellectual". I'd be interested to hear what they have to support their rants -- besides their own shared opinions.

- What would they like to see happen to young white boys? There's school, there's sports, there are a whole host of other activities if parents choose to pursue them. While it is true that there are efforts to support some members of minority groups and girls -- these efforts are linked to the under-representation and under-investment in these groups historically.

- Who is calling them / saying these things? Note: If you're Justice Kavanaugh, that's because there are very specific concerns that need to be addressed.

- Let's have some stats on that. (Note, the ones that I know about do not suggest anything close to this. Check the numbers on hiring, firing, and salaries.)

- Which "media" and what do you mean by "taken over"? Again, provide some data. How many head anchors are women and/or minorities? How many women and minorities have their own news shows?

- White men seem to be doing pretty fine as I see it -- particularly if they're Republican. How many Senators have been women and/or members of minority groups in the last 100 years? CEOs of major corporations? In any case, my point is that I don't feel these assertions are supported by data.

tldr: Got any data to support the rant? I'll wait.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/04/07/males-risk-boy-crisis-identity-america-future-addiction-suicide-column/3331366002/
https://www.mindingthecampus.org/2019/01/03/why-men-are-falling-behind-in-schools/
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/04/19/524699805/young-women-make-economic-strides-as-young-men-fall-behind-in-u-s

None of these articles really address the points that OP made though. Two of the articles talk about "males". Unless you want to assume that "males" only means "white males", again, a bit of data that specifically addresses the original points would be great.

The article about campuses notes that the numbers of women on campuses will exceed the number of men. It then goes on to list statistics for fields of study that are traditionally female dominated and historically UNDERPAID. I may be reading this wrong, but the OP's list of complaints don't seem to be focused on the inability of white men to become social workers.

Boys, historically, have been more vulnerable from birth to multiple risk factors. But none of those things link clearly with the original list of complaints.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, it's a movement. I'm not clear that it's "intellectual". I'd be interested to hear what they have to support their rants -- besides their own shared opinions.

- What would they like to see happen to young white boys? There's school, there's sports, there are a whole host of other activities if parents choose to pursue them. While it is true that there are efforts to support some members of minority groups and girls -- these efforts are linked to the under-representation and under-investment in these groups historically.

- Who is calling them / saying these things? Note: If you're Justice Kavanaugh, that's because there are very specific concerns that need to be addressed.

- Let's have some stats on that. (Note, the ones that I know about do not suggest anything close to this. Check the numbers on hiring, firing, and salaries.)

- Which "media" and what do you mean by "taken over"? Again, provide some data. How many head anchors are women and/or minorities? How many women and minorities have their own news shows?

- White men seem to be doing pretty fine as I see it -- particularly if they're Republican. How many Senators have been women and/or members of minority groups in the last 100 years? CEOs of major corporations? In any case, my point is that I don't feel these assertions are supported by data.

tldr: Got any data to support the rant? I'll wait.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/09/us/powerful-people-race-us.html Look at this.

So: The proportion of white men running things still, by far, exceeds their percentage of the population. Although some things have shifted very slowly over the last few decades. What did I miss here? I will go back and read through this carefully, but this article seems to show that white men are continuing to do very well when it comes to power and rewards. Which doesn't mean that ALL white men will do well, but it does mean that white men do well in ways that far exceed their percentage of the population.

If you are PP, I posted the NYT link in agreement with you lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Female here I can’t speak to other things but I can definitely say my young son is not seeing boys on tv being role models. Everything is geared toward girls now. Characters being changed to female all the time. It’s ridiculous to swing so far to the other side so all I can show my son is old tv shows or movies with a boy lead.

Seriously? My non-white DD rarely sees kids who like her on TV. However, white boys are tv/movie heroes all the time!

[Anonymous]

^^who look like her

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1. the majority of our political leaders are white males
2. the majority of our corporate leaders are white males
3. white males make more than females, of any group

What exactly are these white males whining about now?

I agree with the PPs.. this is about the fact that white males have historically not had to compete as much with women and minorities, and now the do, and they don't like it.

They have to compete a bit more than they did in the past, and it's not automatic their sons will have more privilege.

I'm a white woman who went to private school, and many of my white middle aged male former classmates, who inherited their businesses from their daddy, express these same sentiments.

There are other, poorer, white men who do feel like they have never had the "power" that was promised to them, or that others say they have.

Most of the people who currently have power in our country are white and male, with just a few notable exceptions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Female here I can’t speak to other things but I can definitely say my young son is not seeing boys on tv being role models. Everything is geared toward girls now. Characters being changed to female all the time. It’s ridiculous to swing so far to the other side so all I can show my son is old tv shows or movies with a boy lead.

Seriously? My non-white DD rarely sees kids who like her on TV. However, white boys are tv/movie heroes all the time!

my Asian kids hardly see anyone who are like them on tv.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, it's a movement. I'm not clear that it's "intellectual". I'd be interested to hear what they have to support their rants -- besides their own shared opinions.

- What would they like to see happen to young white boys? There's school, there's sports, there are a whole host of other activities if parents choose to pursue them. While it is true that there are efforts to support some members of minority groups and girls -- these efforts are linked to the under-representation and under-investment in these groups historically.

- Who is calling them / saying these things? Note: If you're Justice Kavanaugh, that's because there are very specific concerns that need to be addressed.

- Let's have some stats on that. (Note, the ones that I know about do not suggest anything close to this. Check the numbers on hiring, firing, and salaries.)

- Which "media" and what do you mean by "taken over"? Again, provide some data. How many head anchors are women and/or minorities? How many women and minorities have their own news shows?

- White men seem to be doing pretty fine as I see it -- particularly if they're Republican. How many Senators have been women and/or members of minority groups in the last 100 years? CEOs of major corporations? In any case, my point is that I don't feel these assertions are supported by data.

tldr: Got any data to support the rant? I'll wait.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/09/us/powerful-people-race-us.html Look at this.

So: The proportion of white men running things still, by far, exceeds their percentage of the population. Although some things have shifted very slowly over the last few decades. What did I miss here? I will go back and read through this carefully, but this article seems to show that white men are continuing to do very well when it comes to power and rewards. Which doesn't mean that ALL white men will do well, but it does mean that white men do well in ways that far exceed their percentage of the population.

If you are PP, I posted the NYT link in agreement with you lol

Yes, I am. Thank you! I did not realize that your intention was to agree with me -- so I was VERY surprised when the article you posted seemed to support my sense of things re: current stats. Thanks much!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have become aware recently after having heard rants from my upper middle class white early thirties husband, that there is a subgroup of men who have a lot of resentment and anger at the state of current affairs in our society.

- They feel young boys are not included in early education and socialization efforts as the focus is solely on empowering young girls and minorities
- They feel resentful that they are being told they are "bad" or "toxic" and being called "rapist"
- Women and minorities are hired for jobs and opportunities instead of them
- Media is taken over by women and Minorities
- Politics is taken over by special interest groups that does not necessarily favor their interests

Is this a larger intellectual movement or not?

Toxic masculinity is a thing. Everyone who thinks this way has a character defect and is a bad person.