22% of MD’s cases and 50% of the deaths are in nursing homes

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Except it IS community spread, and workers there can and do spread the infection outside of their workplace and into the community, including hospitals, other nursing homes, group homes, and prisons... all places with people highly likely to catch it, and perhaps die from it.

No. It’s not. Treat nursing home workers totally differently. You can isolate them until this is over. We need a strong public health response to this. This is NOT the same as general community spread.

Unless all the residents/workers of these nursing homes took recent vacations to Wuhan, it IS community spread. Members of the COMMUNITY SPREAD the virus to workers and patients.

I get that you are advocating for some plan that isolates these sub-communities to allow the rest of society to open up, and there may very well be a way to do that if you can actually test and measure the spread of the virus elsewhere, but you don't get to just redefine established words and phrases that have real meaning and implications. Unless there is some data that shows the spread in these nursing homes is all due to resident patient zeros, the fact is the rest of society brought the virus to the nursing homes, not the other way around. So even if you isolate them, that means the virus is still floating around the rest of us.

Hogan has already said he is not considering high occupancy living, like nursing homes, and I assume jails, as community spread for obvious reasons.

Oh that’s excellent! I hadn’t heard that.

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Er, just how old (young) are people on here that they think 70 is old??

My local yoga center is filled with 70s standing on their heads and doing shoulder-stand.

I am late 50s with 3 teenagers. My parents are in their 80s and until a month ago went to the gym everyday.

There is a large number 70+ in my masters swimming group.

70s folks are yesterday's hippies! They fought hard to get that weed legalized for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Er, just how old (young) are people on here that they think 70 is old??

My local yoga center is filled with 70s standing on their heads and doing shoulder-stand.

I am late 50s with 3 teenagers. My parents are in their 80s and until a month ago went to the gym everyday.

There is a large number 70+ in my masters swimming group.

70s folks are yesterday's hippies! They fought hard to get that weed legalized for you.

Cool. Whether you consider them old or not, they’re dying of COVID at much higher rates than people who are younger than them.

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Except it IS community spread, and workers there can and do spread the infection outside of their workplace and into the community, including hospitals, other nursing homes, group homes, and prisons... all places with people highly likely to catch it, and perhaps die from it.

No. It’s not. Treat nursing home workers totally differently. You can isolate them until this is over. We need a strong public health response to this. This is NOT the same as general community spread.

Unless all the residents/workers of these nursing homes took recent vacations to Wuhan, it IS community spread. Members of the COMMUNITY SPREAD the virus to workers and patients.

I get that you are advocating for some plan that isolates these sub-communities to allow the rest of society to open up, and there may very well be a way to do that if you can actually test and measure the spread of the virus elsewhere, but you don't get to just redefine established words and phrases that have real meaning and implications. Unless there is some data that shows the spread in these nursing homes is all due to resident patient zeros, the fact is the rest of society brought the virus to the nursing homes, not the other way around. So even if you isolate them, that means the virus is still floating around the rest of us.

Hogan has already said he is not considering high occupancy living, like nursing homes, and I assume jails, as community spread for obvious reasons.

Oh that’s excellent! I hadn’t heard that.

It is in his blueprint for recovery, released last Friday.

[Anonymous]

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Except it IS community spread, and workers there can and do spread the infection outside of their workplace and into the community, including hospitals, other nursing homes, group homes, and prisons... all places with people highly likely to catch it, and perhaps die from it.

No. It’s not. Treat nursing home workers totally differently. You can isolate them until this is over. We need a strong public health response to this. This is NOT the same as general community spread.

Unless all the residents/workers of these nursing homes took recent vacations to Wuhan, it IS community spread. Members of the COMMUNITY SPREAD the virus to workers and patients.

I get that you are advocating for some plan that isolates these sub-communities to allow the rest of society to open up, and there may very well be a way to do that if you can actually test and measure the spread of the virus elsewhere, but you don't get to just redefine established words and phrases that have real meaning and implications. Unless there is some data that shows the spread in these nursing homes is all due to resident patient zeros, the fact is the rest of society brought the virus to the nursing homes, not the other way around. So even if you isolate them, that means the virus is still floating around the rest of us.

Hogan has already said he is not considering high occupancy living, like nursing homes, and I assume jails, as community spread for obvious reasons.

Oh that’s excellent! I hadn’t heard that.

It is in his blueprint for recovery, released last Friday.

Oh really? I didn’t see it there. Thanks!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Except it IS community spread, and workers there can and do spread the infection outside of their workplace and into the community, including hospitals, other nursing homes, group homes, and prisons... all places with people highly likely to catch it, and perhaps die from it.

No. It’s not. Treat nursing home workers totally differently. You can isolate them until this is over. We need a strong public health response to this. This is NOT the same as general community spread.

Unless all the residents/workers of these nursing homes took recent vacations to Wuhan, it IS community spread. Members of the COMMUNITY SPREAD the virus to workers and patients.

I get that you are advocating for some plan that isolates these sub-communities to allow the rest of society to open up, and there may very well be a way to do that if you can actually test and measure the spread of the virus elsewhere, but you don't get to just redefine established words and phrases that have real meaning and implications. Unless there is some data that shows the spread in these nursing homes is all due to resident patient zeros, the fact is the rest of society brought the virus to the nursing homes, not the other way around. So even if you isolate them, that means the virus is still floating around the rest of us.

Hogan has already said he is not considering high occupancy living, like nursing homes, and I assume jails, as community spread for obvious reasons.

Do you have a link that offers more details about this and what it means? The only reference I can find to this is on pg 27 of the plan (https://governor.maryland.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/MD_Strong.pdf) where it says “stop signs” leading to slowing or reversing the initial stages of reopening will NOT include outbreaks, like those in nursing homes, where contact tracing can establish route of transmission. That makes sense, but I don’t see any other details in there about separating nursing homes or other high occupancy living for the purposes of determining when we reopen. Maybe I’m missing it - I just skimmed - but the one reference I’m seeing is different than what OP is talking about.

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Hogan keeps lowering the goals in an effort to reopen faster.

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Anonymous wrote:Hogan keeps lowering the goals in an effort to reopen faster.

I recognize Facebook comments aren’t science or good reasoning but it is very interesting to read the comments on Hogan’s FB page when he says anything covid related. Up until a week ago, most were very positive. There was a definitive shift this week and the sh*t hit the fan. I think the unemployment debacle has turned the tide. I believe he may be changing his tune based on public opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:
Except it IS community spread, and workers there can and do spread the infection outside of their workplace and into the community, including hospitals, other nursing homes, group homes, and prisons... all places with people highly likely to catch it, and perhaps die from it.

No. It’s not. Treat nursing home workers totally differently. You can isolate them until this is over. We need a strong public health response to this. This is NOT the same as general community spread.

Go ahead and DEMAND that staff be isolated during a pandemic. Wanna watch them all quit and have noone to take care of the residents? That's what will happen. Guaranteed. I'm an RN who does a casual position in LTC

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Er, just how old (young) are people on here that they think 70 is old??

My local yoga center is filled with 70s standing on their heads and doing shoulder-stand.

I am late 50s with 3 teenagers. My parents are in their 80s and until a month ago went to the gym everyday.

There is a large number 70+ in my masters swimming group.

70s folks are yesterday's hippies! They fought hard to get that weed legalized for you.

If they're old and healthy, they will be fine. If they have substantial health problems then they need to quarantine themselves.

Most COVID-19 infections among the elderly are not lethal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Er, just how old (young) are people on here that they think 70 is old??

My local yoga center is filled with 70s standing on their heads and doing shoulder-stand.

I am late 50s with 3 teenagers. My parents are in their 80s and until a month ago went to the gym everyday.

There is a large number 70+ in my masters swimming group.

70s folks are yesterday's hippies! They fought hard to get that weed legalized for you.

If they're old and healthy, they will be fine. If they have substantial health problems then they need to quarantine themselves.

Most COVID-19 infections among the elderly are not lethal.

Sure. In MD there are about 2,000 cases among those in their 70s and 250 deaths.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Er, just how old (young) are people on here that they think 70 is old??

My local yoga center is filled with 70s standing on their heads and doing shoulder-stand.

I am late 50s with 3 teenagers. My parents are in their 80s and until a month ago went to the gym everyday.

There is a large number 70+ in my masters swimming group.

70s folks are yesterday's hippies! They fought hard to get that weed legalized for you.

If they're old and healthy, they will be fine. If they have substantial health problems then they need to quarantine themselves.

Most COVID-19 infections among the elderly are not lethal.

Sure. In MD there are about 2,000 cases among those in their 70s and 250 deaths.

So 1750 of 2000, that is most.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Er, just how old (young) are people on here that they think 70 is old??

My local yoga center is filled with 70s standing on their heads and doing shoulder-stand.

I am late 50s with 3 teenagers. My parents are in their 80s and until a month ago went to the gym everyday.

There is a large number 70+ in my masters swimming group.

70s folks are yesterday's hippies! They fought hard to get that weed legalized for you.

If they're old and healthy, they will be fine. If they have substantial health problems then they need to quarantine themselves.

Most COVID-19 infections among the elderly are not lethal.

Sure. In MD there are about 2,000 cases among those in their 70s and 250 deaths.

So 1750 of 2000, that is most.

Yes. I was agreeing with you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Er, just how old (young) are people on here that they think 70 is old??

My local yoga center is filled with 70s standing on their heads and doing shoulder-stand.

I am late 50s with 3 teenagers. My parents are in their 80s and until a month ago went to the gym everyday.

There is a large number 70+ in my masters swimming group.

70s folks are yesterday's hippies! They fought hard to get that weed legalized for you.

Avg life expectancy for someone born in 1950s is 70-72 yrs. Avg life expectancy for those those today is late 70s-80- in non covid times. Awesome if you make it past that and are trying to keep healthy and go to the gym, etc., but the country should not have to come to screeching halt to keep people already at the end of their life alive a little bit longer. That is not “for the greater good”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Er, just how old (young) are people on here that they think 70 is old??

My local yoga center is filled with 70s standing on their heads and doing shoulder-stand.

I am late 50s with 3 teenagers. My parents are in their 80s and until a month ago went to the gym everyday.

There is a large number 70+ in my masters swimming group.

70s folks are yesterday's hippies! They fought hard to get that weed legalized for you.

Avg life expectancy for someone born in 1950s is 70-72 yrs. Avg life expectancy for those those today is late 70s-80- in non covid times. Awesome if you make it past that and are trying to keep healthy and go to the gym, etc., but the country should not have to come to screeching halt to keep people already at the end of their life alive a little bit longer. That is not “for the greater good”

But you objected to Sarah Palin's death panels.

You're gross.