Do fat women who are Body-Positive really love being fat?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s a difference between body positivity and HAES (/fatlogic). The former makes sense.

From the HAES website: “We’ve lost the war on obesity. Fighting fat hasn’t made the fat go away. And being thinner, even if we knew how to successfully accomplish it, will not necessarily make us healthier or happier. The war on obesity has taken its toll.
Extensive “collateral damage” has resulted: Food and body preoccupation, self-hatred, eating disorders, discrimination,
poor health, etc. Few of us are at peace with our bodies, whether because we’re fat or because we fear becoming fat.

Health at Every Size is the new peace movement.

It supports people of all sizes in addressing health directly by adopting healthy behaviors. It is an inclusive movement, recognizing that our social characteristics, such as our size, race, national origin, sexuality, gender, disability status, and other attributes, are assets, and acknowledges and challenges the structural and systemic forces that impinge on living well.”

The latter sounds like it makes sense, too.

Just because you want to believe that becoming thinner when are obese won’t make you healthier doesn’t mean it’s true. But keep on repeating it to yourself until you die of diabetes or heart disease.

Why do you assume I’m fat, and gosh you jump quick-quick to the part where you kinda sound like you hope I die.

The entire point of these movements, start to finish, is that no person should have to hate themselves because of the body they’re in. It’s counterproductive to public health goals. Because you read that statistic above where fully 90% of people who lose weight regain it all. It’s reality that without surgery, or maybe fecal transplants in the not too distant future, people cannot lose weight. CICO is a myth, one that some believe in as hard as some believe in Young Earth creationism. For every one person who can make it happen (go, Jeff! That’s a lot of hard work and you look great!), there are nine who have worked equally as hard, but it’s the corporeal equivalent of trying to keep a dozen balls underwater and sooner or later they pop up. No one should have to hate themselves; everyone should love their body enough to practice good self care whether or not it results in weight loss, but because it makes them as healthy as their size allows. For someone who professes to be concerned about health (as evidenced by your all but wishing early death on an anonymous person), you should be banging the healthy at every size drum.

But what means has been covered on this thread, a lot. Sometimes some people just like to beat up on someone with less power in order to feel virtuous. That doesn’t make them virtuous or their position correct, it makes them a bully.

Omg, now staying that obese people are more susceptible to diabetes and heart disease is bullying. Literally you are the reason why people can’t stand HAES.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s a difference between body positivity and HAES (/fatlogic). The former makes sense.

From the HAES website: “We’ve lost the war on obesity. Fighting fat hasn’t made the fat go away. And being thinner, even if we knew how to successfully accomplish it, will not necessarily make us healthier or happier. The war on obesity has taken its toll.
Extensive “collateral damage” has resulted: Food and body preoccupation, self-hatred, eating disorders, discrimination,
poor health, etc. Few of us are at peace with our bodies, whether because we’re fat or because we fear becoming fat.

Health at Every Size is the new peace movement.

It supports people of all sizes in addressing health directly by adopting healthy behaviors. It is an inclusive movement, recognizing that our social characteristics, such as our size, race, national origin, sexuality, gender, disability status, and other attributes, are assets, and acknowledges and challenges the structural and systemic forces that impinge on living well.”

The latter sounds like it makes sense, too.

Just because you want to believe that becoming thinner when are obese won’t make you healthier doesn’t mean it’s true. But keep on repeating it to yourself until you die of diabetes or heart disease.

Why do you assume I’m fat, and gosh you jump quick-quick to the part where you kinda sound like you hope I die.

The entire point of these movements, start to finish, is that no person should have to hate themselves because of the body they’re in. It’s counterproductive to public health goals. Because you read that statistic above where fully 90% of people who lose weight regain it all. It’s reality that without surgery, or maybe fecal transplants in the not too distant future, people cannot lose weight. CICO is a myth, one that some believe in as hard as some believe in Young Earth creationism. For every one person who can make it happen (go, Jeff! That’s a lot of hard work and you look great!), there are nine who have worked equally as hard, but it’s the corporeal equivalent of trying to keep a dozen balls underwater and sooner or later they pop up. No one should have to hate themselves; everyone should love their body enough to practice good self care whether or not it results in weight loss, but because it makes them as healthy as their size allows. For someone who professes to be concerned about health (as evidenced by your all but wishing early death on an anonymous person), you should be banging the healthy at every size drum.

But what means has been covered on this thread, a lot. Sometimes some people just like to beat up on someone with less power in order to feel virtuous. That doesn’t make them virtuous or their position correct, it makes them a bully.

Omg, now staying that obese people are more susceptible to diabetes and heart disease is bullying. Literally you are the reason why people can’t stand HAES.

Whoop di do. Do you have any proof that a healthy diet and exercise, even if they don’t result in weight loss, don’t reduce the incidence of diabetes and heart disease? Or, once people arrive at obesity, should they just lie back and wait to die, or is it okay with you if they decide to value themselves even if they’re not what you would deem pretty? Can they exercise and have a healthy diet even though that won’t result in weight loss for 90% of them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s a difference between body positivity and HAES (/fatlogic). The former makes sense.

From the HAES website: “We’ve lost the war on obesity. Fighting fat hasn’t made the fat go away. And being thinner, even if we knew how to successfully accomplish it, will not necessarily make us healthier or happier. The war on obesity has taken its toll.
Extensive “collateral damage” has resulted: Food and body preoccupation, self-hatred, eating disorders, discrimination,
poor health, etc. Few of us are at peace with our bodies, whether because we’re fat or because we fear becoming fat.

Health at Every Size is the new peace movement.

It supports people of all sizes in addressing health directly by adopting healthy behaviors. It is an inclusive movement, recognizing that our social characteristics, such as our size, race, national origin, sexuality, gender, disability status, and other attributes, are assets, and acknowledges and challenges the structural and systemic forces that impinge on living well.”

The latter sounds like it makes sense, too.

Just because you want to believe that becoming thinner when are obese won’t make you healthier doesn’t mean it’s true. But keep on repeating it to yourself until you die of diabetes or heart disease.

Why do you assume I’m fat, and gosh you jump quick-quick to the part where you kinda sound like you hope I die.

The entire point of these movements, start to finish, is that no person should have to hate themselves because of the body they’re in. It’s counterproductive to public health goals. Because you read that statistic above where fully 90% of people who lose weight regain it all. It’s reality that without surgery, or maybe fecal transplants in the not too distant future, people cannot lose weight. CICO is a myth, one that some believe in as hard as some believe in Young Earth creationism. For every one person who can make it happen (go, Jeff! That’s a lot of hard work and you look great!), there are nine who have worked equally as hard, but it’s the corporeal equivalent of trying to keep a dozen balls underwater and sooner or later they pop up. No one should have to hate themselves; everyone should love their body enough to practice good self care whether or not it results in weight loss, but because it makes them as healthy as their size allows. For someone who professes to be concerned about health (as evidenced by your all but wishing early death on an anonymous person), you should be banging the healthy at every size drum.

But what means has been covered on this thread, a lot. Sometimes some people just like to beat up on someone with less power in order to feel virtuous. That doesn’t make them virtuous or their position correct, it makes them a bully.

I like you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s a difference between body positivity and HAES (/fatlogic). The former makes sense.

From the HAES website: “We’ve lost the war on obesity. Fighting fat hasn’t made the fat go away. And being thinner, even if we knew how to successfully accomplish it, will not necessarily make us healthier or happier. The war on obesity has taken its toll.
Extensive “collateral damage” has resulted: Food and body preoccupation, self-hatred, eating disorders, discrimination,
poor health, etc. Few of us are at peace with our bodies, whether because we’re fat or because we fear becoming fat.

Health at Every Size is the new peace movement.

It supports people of all sizes in addressing health directly by adopting healthy behaviors. It is an inclusive movement, recognizing that our social characteristics, such as our size, race, national origin, sexuality, gender, disability status, and other attributes, are assets, and acknowledges and challenges the structural and systemic forces that impinge on living well.”

The latter sounds like it makes sense, too.

Just because you want to believe that becoming thinner when are obese won’t make you healthier doesn’t mean it’s true. But keep on repeating it to yourself until you die of diabetes or heart disease.

Why do you assume I’m fat, and gosh you jump quick-quick to the part where you kinda sound like you hope I die.

The entire point of these movements, start to finish, is that no person should have to hate themselves because of the body they’re in. It’s counterproductive to public health goals. Because you read that statistic above where fully 90% of people who lose weight regain it all. It’s reality that without surgery, or maybe fecal transplants in the not too distant future, people cannot lose weight. CICO is a myth, one that some believe in as hard as some believe in Young Earth creationism. For every one person who can make it happen (go, Jeff! That’s a lot of hard work and you look great!), there are nine who have worked equally as hard, but it’s the corporeal equivalent of trying to keep a dozen balls underwater and sooner or later they pop up. No one should have to hate themselves; everyone should love their body enough to practice good self care whether or not it results in weight loss, but because it makes them as healthy as their size allows. For someone who professes to be concerned about health (as evidenced by your all but wishing early death on an anonymous person), you should be banging the healthy at every size drum.

But what means has been covered on this thread, a lot. Sometimes some people just like to beat up on someone with less power in order to feel virtuous. That doesn’t make them virtuous or their position correct, it makes them a bully.

Omg, now staying that obese people are more susceptible to diabetes and heart disease is bullying. Literally you are the reason why people can’t stand HAES.

Whoop di do. Do you have any proof that a healthy diet and exercise, even if they don’t result in weight loss, don’t reduce the incidence of diabetes and heart disease? Or, once people arrive at obesity, should they just lie back and wait to die, or is it okay with you if they decide to value themselves even if they’re not what you would deem pretty? Can they exercise and have a healthy diet even though that won’t result in weight loss for 90% of them?

Oh no, science doesn’t agree with you! Maybe if you keep repeating yourself, you can manifest your truth!! https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/317546.php

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s a difference between body positivity and HAES (/fatlogic). The former makes sense.

From the HAES website: “We’ve lost the war on obesity. Fighting fat hasn’t made the fat go away. And being thinner, even if we knew how to successfully accomplish it, will not necessarily make us healthier or happier. The war on obesity has taken its toll.
Extensive “collateral damage” has resulted: Food and body preoccupation, self-hatred, eating disorders, discrimination,
poor health, etc. Few of us are at peace with our bodies, whether because we’re fat or because we fear becoming fat.

Health at Every Size is the new peace movement.

It supports people of all sizes in addressing health directly by adopting healthy behaviors. It is an inclusive movement, recognizing that our social characteristics, such as our size, race, national origin, sexuality, gender, disability status, and other attributes, are assets, and acknowledges and challenges the structural and systemic forces that impinge on living well.”

The latter sounds like it makes sense, too.

Just because you want to believe that becoming thinner when are obese won’t make you healthier doesn’t mean it’s true. But keep on repeating it to yourself until you die of diabetes or heart disease.

Why do you assume I’m fat, and gosh you jump quick-quick to the part where you kinda sound like you hope I die.

The entire point of these movements, start to finish, is that no person should have to hate themselves because of the body they’re in. It’s counterproductive to public health goals. Because you read that statistic above where fully 90% of people who lose weight regain it all. It’s reality that without surgery, or maybe fecal transplants in the not too distant future, people cannot lose weight. CICO is a myth, one that some believe in as hard as some believe in Young Earth creationism. For every one person who can make it happen (go, Jeff! That’s a lot of hard work and you look great!), there are nine who have worked equally as hard, but it’s the corporeal equivalent of trying to keep a dozen balls underwater and sooner or later they pop up. No one should have to hate themselves; everyone should love their body enough to practice good self care whether or not it results in weight loss, but because it makes them as healthy as their size allows. For someone who professes to be concerned about health (as evidenced by your all but wishing early death on an anonymous person), you should be banging the healthy at every size drum.

But what means has been covered on this thread, a lot. Sometimes some people just like to beat up on someone with less power in order to feel virtuous. That doesn’t make them virtuous or their position correct, it makes them a bully.

I like you.

Too bad science doesn’t care if you like it or not. Obese people are not healthy and are at higher risk of diabetes, heart disease, stroke, and apparently, ignoring the truth in favor of convenience and accusing people of bullying for stating facts. The only thing HAES does well is convincing people they should die happily vs. working hard to improve their health. And that’s a reasonable choice to make. But it doesn’t mean people are healthy at every size.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s a difference between body positivity and HAES (/fatlogic). The former makes sense.

From the HAES website: “We’ve lost the war on obesity. Fighting fat hasn’t made the fat go away. And being thinner, even if we knew how to successfully accomplish it, will not necessarily make us healthier or happier. The war on obesity has taken its toll.
Extensive “collateral damage” has resulted: Food and body preoccupation, self-hatred, eating disorders, discrimination,
poor health, etc. Few of us are at peace with our bodies, whether because we’re fat or because we fear becoming fat.

Health at Every Size is the new peace movement.

It supports people of all sizes in addressing health directly by adopting healthy behaviors. It is an inclusive movement, recognizing that our social characteristics, such as our size, race, national origin, sexuality, gender, disability status, and other attributes, are assets, and acknowledges and challenges the structural and systemic forces that impinge on living well.”

The latter sounds like it makes sense, too.

Just because you want to believe that becoming thinner when are obese won’t make you healthier doesn’t mean it’s true. But keep on repeating it to yourself until you die of diabetes or heart disease.

Why do you assume I’m fat, and gosh you jump quick-quick to the part where you kinda sound like you hope I die.

The entire point of these movements, start to finish, is that no person should have to hate themselves because of the body they’re in. It’s counterproductive to public health goals. Because you read that statistic above where fully 90% of people who lose weight regain it all. It’s reality that without surgery, or maybe fecal transplants in the not too distant future, people cannot lose weight. CICO is a myth, one that some believe in as hard as some believe in Young Earth creationism. For every one person who can make it happen (go, Jeff! That’s a lot of hard work and you look great!), there are nine who have worked equally as hard, but it’s the corporeal equivalent of trying to keep a dozen balls underwater and sooner or later they pop up. No one should have to hate themselves; everyone should love their body enough to practice good self care whether or not it results in weight loss, but because it makes them as healthy as their size allows. For someone who professes to be concerned about health (as evidenced by your all but wishing early death on an anonymous person), you should be banging the healthy at every size drum.

But what means has been covered on this thread, a lot. Sometimes some people just like to beat up on someone with less power in order to feel virtuous. That doesn’t make them virtuous or their position correct, it makes them a bully.

I like you.

Too bad science doesn’t care if you like it or not. Obese people are not healthy and are at higher risk of diabetes, heart disease, stroke, and apparently, ignoring the truth in favor of convenience and accusing people of bullying for stating facts. The only thing HAES does well is convincing people they should die happily vs. working hard to improve their health. And that’s a reasonable choice to make. But it doesn’t mean people are healthy at every size.

I'm pretty sure all that anger and hate you harbor will kill you long before the people plumped up from Twinkies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:God, the Reddit fatlogic trolls are so dumb. It's embarrassing.

Not a troll. It’s true. It’s one thing to love yourself no matter what; it’s another to convince yourself that being fat doesn’t come with all sorts of health consequences.

Like I said, really really stupid.

Signed,
Related to an obesity researcher who is an author of several of those studies you are too dim to understand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s a difference between body positivity and HAES (/fatlogic). The former makes sense.

From the HAES website: “We’ve lost the war on obesity. Fighting fat hasn’t made the fat go away. And being thinner, even if we knew how to successfully accomplish it, will not necessarily make us healthier or happier. The war on obesity has taken its toll.
Extensive “collateral damage” has resulted: Food and body preoccupation, self-hatred, eating disorders, discrimination,
poor health, etc. Few of us are at peace with our bodies, whether because we’re fat or because we fear becoming fat.

Health at Every Size is the new peace movement.

It supports people of all sizes in addressing health directly by adopting healthy behaviors. It is an inclusive movement, recognizing that our social characteristics, such as our size, race, national origin, sexuality, gender, disability status, and other attributes, are assets, and acknowledges and challenges the structural and systemic forces that impinge on living well.”

The latter sounds like it makes sense, too.

Just because you want to believe that becoming thinner when are obese won’t make you healthier doesn’t mean it’s true. But keep on repeating it to yourself until you die of diabetes or heart disease.

Why do you assume I’m fat, and gosh you jump quick-quick to the part where you kinda sound like you hope I die.

The entire point of these movements, start to finish, is that no person should have to hate themselves because of the body they’re in. It’s counterproductive to public health goals. Because you read that statistic above where fully 90% of people who lose weight regain it all. It’s reality that without surgery, or maybe fecal transplants in the not too distant future, people cannot lose weight. CICO is a myth, one that some believe in as hard as some believe in Young Earth creationism. For every one person who can make it happen (go, Jeff! That’s a lot of hard work and you look great!), there are nine who have worked equally as hard, but it’s the corporeal equivalent of trying to keep a dozen balls underwater and sooner or later they pop up. No one should have to hate themselves; everyone should love their body enough to practice good self care whether or not it results in weight loss, but because it makes them as healthy as their size allows. For someone who professes to be concerned about health (as evidenced by your all but wishing early death on an anonymous person), you should be banging the healthy at every size drum.

But what means has been covered on this thread, a lot. Sometimes some people just like to beat up on someone with less power in order to feel virtuous. That doesn’t make them virtuous or their position correct, it makes them a bully.

I like you.

Too bad science doesn’t care if you like it or not. Obese people are not healthy and are at higher risk of diabetes, heart disease, stroke, and apparently, ignoring the truth in favor of convenience and accusing people of bullying for stating facts. The only thing HAES does well is convincing people they should die happily vs. working hard to improve their health. And that’s a reasonable choice to make. But it doesn’t mean people are healthy at every size.

I'm pretty sure all that anger and hate you harbor will kill you long before the people plumped up from Twinkies.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s a difference between body positivity and HAES (/fatlogic). The former makes sense.

From the HAES website: “We’ve lost the war on obesity. Fighting fat hasn’t made the fat go away. And being thinner, even if we knew how to successfully accomplish it, will not necessarily make us healthier or happier. The war on obesity has taken its toll.
Extensive “collateral damage” has resulted: Food and body preoccupation, self-hatred, eating disorders, discrimination,
poor health, etc. Few of us are at peace with our bodies, whether because we’re fat or because we fear becoming fat.

Health at Every Size is the new peace movement.

It supports people of all sizes in addressing health directly by adopting healthy behaviors. It is an inclusive movement, recognizing that our social characteristics, such as our size, race, national origin, sexuality, gender, disability status, and other attributes, are assets, and acknowledges and challenges the structural and systemic forces that impinge on living well.”

The latter sounds like it makes sense, too.

Just because you want to believe that becoming thinner when are obese won’t make you healthier doesn’t mean it’s true. But keep on repeating it to yourself until you die of diabetes or heart disease.

Why do you assume I’m fat, and gosh you jump quick-quick to the part where you kinda sound like you hope I die.

The entire point of these movements, start to finish, is that no person should have to hate themselves because of the body they’re in. It’s counterproductive to public health goals. Because you read that statistic above where fully 90% of people who lose weight regain it all. It’s reality that without surgery, or maybe fecal transplants in the not too distant future, people cannot lose weight. CICO is a myth, one that some believe in as hard as some believe in Young Earth creationism. For every one person who can make it happen (go, Jeff! That’s a lot of hard work and you look great!), there are nine who have worked equally as hard, but it’s the corporeal equivalent of trying to keep a dozen balls underwater and sooner or later they pop up. No one should have to hate themselves; everyone should love their body enough to practice good self care whether or not it results in weight loss, but because it makes them as healthy as their size allows. For someone who professes to be concerned about health (as evidenced by your all but wishing early death on an anonymous person), you should be banging the healthy at every size drum.

But what means has been covered on this thread, a lot. Sometimes some people just like to beat up on someone with less power in order to feel virtuous. That doesn’t make them virtuous or their position correct, it makes them a bully.

I like you.

Too bad science doesn’t care if you like it or not. Obese people are not healthy and are at higher risk of diabetes, heart disease, stroke, and apparently, ignoring the truth in favor of convenience and accusing people of bullying for stating facts. The only thing HAES does well is convincing people they should die happily vs. working hard to improve their health. And that’s a reasonable choice to make. But it doesn’t mean people are healthy at every size.

I'm pretty sure all that anger and hate you harbor will kill you long before the people plumped up from Twinkies.

Ah yes, now stating facts is “anger and hate” - and you still wonder why people think HAES is full of lunatics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:God, the Reddit fatlogic trolls are so dumb. It's embarrassing.

Not a troll. It’s true. It’s one thing to love yourself no matter what; it’s another to convince yourself that being fat doesn’t come with all sorts of health consequences.

Like I said, really really stupid.

Signed,
Related to an obesity researcher who is an author of several of those studies you are too dim to understand.

Since when is being related to someone a credential? LOL

[Anonymous]

Well, it would be one thing if you even had a basic understanding of the facts you are supposedly stating. Honestly, you should probably eat more food high in nutrients so you can try to help your minimal brain power.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:God, the Reddit fatlogic trolls are so dumb. It's embarrassing.

Not a troll. It’s true. It’s one thing to love yourself no matter what; it’s another to convince yourself that being fat doesn’t come with all sorts of health consequences.

Like I said, really really stupid.

Signed,
Related to an obesity researcher who is an author of several of those studies you are too dim to understand.

Since when is being related to someone a credential? LOL

I'm not the one demonstrating a basic lack of understanding of science.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well, it would be one thing if you even had a basic understanding of the facts you are supposedly stating. Honestly, you should probably eat more food high in nutrients so you can try to help your minimal brain power.

Only people desperate enough to believe in HAES would also believe someone like you who alludes to wrong science or facts but never seems to state any. At least I gotta give you kudos there - you found the perfect victims for your trolling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, it would be one thing if you even had a basic understanding of the facts you are supposedly stating. Honestly, you should probably eat more food high in nutrients so you can try to help your minimal brain power.

Only people desperate enough to believe in HAES would also believe someone like you who alludes to wrong science or facts but never seems to state any. At least I gotta give you kudos there - you found the perfect victims for your trolling.

It's not my job to educate people who are too dim to understand basic science. I think I'd make more progress trying to educate slime mold.

[Anonymous]

Some of the fat acceptance/body positive/etc. stuff seems awfully classist to me. Can you be healthy at any size when you’re relatively young, middle-class, have health insurance and access to decent doctors, instagramming yourself eating expensive, healthy food and taking the latest workout classes? Sure. But the majority of seriously overweight people are older, poor, and/or live in urban or rural “food deserts.” They’re surviving on convenience food because the only food stores near them are dollar stores or gas stations/corner stores, and they can’t get to a real grocery store for many reasons that are interrelated with poverty. Those people are certainly not healthy at every size, but that’s how a lot of people in poverty are living.