APS Transgender Policy

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I worry that much of this thread is being trolled and animated by voices outside of Arlington. It reminds me of when a gun store was planning to open in Cherrydale and the NRA started giving the issue national coverage and a lot of non-Arlington voices entered the conversation. I find it very difficult to believe that there are a lot of residents sufficiently concerned about the transgender policy issue that they would devote the time and energy to fighting APS’s proposed policy.

Ok, then what do you think the policy should be for non-binary students? Should a boy who identifies as non-binary and not female be allowed to join girls' chorus? Maybe his reason for choosing girls' chorus instead of boys is because the schedule works better for him. Since he's not a boy or a girl, why shouldn't he be able to choose which he wants to join? You really think all Arlington parents are totally cool with scenarios like this?

If the person can sing in the range of one of the parts and wants to be in girls chorus, who cares?

Ok what about the non binary girl who wanted to run for prom king? What if a non binary boy wanted to use the girls locker room? This can go on forever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I worry that much of this thread is being trolled and animated by voices outside of Arlington. It reminds me of when a gun store was planning to open in Cherrydale and the NRA started giving the issue national coverage and a lot of non-Arlington voices entered the conversation. I find it very difficult to believe that there are a lot of residents sufficiently concerned about the transgender policy issue that they would devote the time and energy to fighting APS’s proposed policy.

Typed by someone who doesn’t have now, nor never will have a competitive xx girl athlete.

I would give more credit to the sports argument if people weren’t using it as a springboard to generally villify the concept of transgender inclusion, such as vague fears about our girls sharing space with biological males who identify as female. That’s straight up fear mongering.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I worry that much of this thread is being trolled and animated by voices outside of Arlington. It reminds me of when a gun store was planning to open in Cherrydale and the NRA started giving the issue national coverage and a lot of non-Arlington voices entered the conversation. I find it very difficult to believe that there are a lot of residents sufficiently concerned about the transgender policy issue that they would devote the time and energy to fighting APS’s proposed policy.

Ok, then what do you think the policy should be for non-binary students? Should a boy who identifies as non-binary and not female be allowed to join girls' chorus? Maybe his reason for choosing girls' chorus instead of boys is because the schedule works better for him. Since he's not a boy or a girl, why shouldn't he be able to choose which he wants to join? You really think all Arlington parents are totally cool with scenarios like this?

If the person can sing in the range of one of the parts and wants to be in girls chorus, who cares?

Ok what about the non binary girl who wanted to run for prom king? What if a non binary boy wanted to use the girls locker room? This can go on forever.

Why are you bringing non binary into this? IS it to move goal posts or do you not understand the difference?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I worry that much of this thread is being trolled and animated by voices outside of Arlington. It reminds me of when a gun store was planning to open in Cherrydale and the NRA started giving the issue national coverage and a lot of non-Arlington voices entered the conversation. I find it very difficult to believe that there are a lot of residents sufficiently concerned about the transgender policy issue that they would devote the time and energy to fighting APS’s proposed policy.

Typed by someone who doesn’t have now, nor never will have a competitive xx girl athlete.

I would give more credit to the sports argument if people weren’t using it as a springboard to generally villify the concept of transgender inclusion, such as vague fears about our girls sharing space with biological males who identify as female. That’s straight up fear mongering.

Agreed!

Here is some reading: https://www.aclu.org/blog/lgbt-rights/transgender-rights/banning-trans-girls-school-sports-neither-feminist-nor-legal

"These stereotypes are also being invoked in the arena of professional sports, where so-called “gender testing” has been used to police the bodies of women of color and intersex women. The International Association of Athletic Federations has targeted athletes like Dutee Chand and Caster Semenya for testosterone testing based on arbitrary limits. IAAF’s new set of proposed regulations, which Semenya is challenging, would require female athletes with hyperandrogenism to undergo unnecessary medical treatment to suppress their hormones in order to compete.

Cisgender women should be concerned whenever an alleged concern for “protecting” our wellbeing is invoked to justify exclusion."

[Anonymous]

Why can't we just retire the word gender? It's really just a philosophical concept, not biological fact. People can dress however masculine or feminine they like or go by whatever name they choose, but if when it comes to doing things that are segregated by sex, such as sports or chorus, just do what goes with your biological sex, you can dress whichever way you choose while you do it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I worry that much of this thread is being trolled and animated by voices outside of Arlington. It reminds me of when a gun store was planning to open in Cherrydale and the NRA started giving the issue national coverage and a lot of non-Arlington voices entered the conversation. I find it very difficult to believe that there are a lot of residents sufficiently concerned about the transgender policy issue that they would devote the time and energy to fighting APS’s proposed policy.

Ok, then what do you think the policy should be for non-binary students? Should a boy who identifies as non-binary and not female be allowed to join girls' chorus? Maybe his reason for choosing girls' chorus instead of boys is because the schedule works better for him. Since he's not a boy or a girl, why shouldn't he be able to choose which he wants to join? You really think all Arlington parents are totally cool with scenarios like this?

If the person can sing in the range of one of the parts and wants to be in girls chorus, who cares?

Ok what about the non binary girl who wanted to run for prom king? What if a non binary boy wanted to use the girls locker room? This can go on forever.

Non-binary girl running for prom king? Who is being harmed? It's a popularity contest. As far as the locker room issue, there's a real possibility of someone feeling uncomfortable. I would be in favor of a separate single person room being available for changing for those who need it. I know Wakefield has a few outside the pool. Maybe the other schools do as well?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I worry that much of this thread is being trolled and animated by voices outside of Arlington. It reminds me of when a gun store was planning to open in Cherrydale and the NRA started giving the issue national coverage and a lot of non-Arlington voices entered the conversation. I find it very difficult to believe that there are a lot of residents sufficiently concerned about the transgender policy issue that they would devote the time and energy to fighting APS’s proposed policy.

Ok, then what do you think the policy should be for non-binary students? Should a boy who identifies as non-binary and not female be allowed to join girls' chorus? Maybe his reason for choosing girls' chorus instead of boys is because the schedule works better for him. Since he's not a boy or a girl, why shouldn't he be able to choose which he wants to join? You really think all Arlington parents are totally cool with scenarios like this?

If the person can sing in the range of one of the parts and wants to be in girls chorus, who cares?

Ok what about the non binary girl who wanted to run for prom king? What if a non binary boy wanted to use the girls locker room? This can go on forever.

Why are you bringing non binary into this? IS it to move goal posts or do you not understand the difference?[/quote]

This isn't moving the goal post. Non-binary people consider themselves transgender.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I worry that much of this thread is being trolled and animated by voices outside of Arlington. It reminds me of when a gun store was planning to open in Cherrydale and the NRA started giving the issue national coverage and a lot of non-Arlington voices entered the conversation. I find it very difficult to believe that there are a lot of residents sufficiently concerned about the transgender policy issue that they would devote the time and energy to fighting APS’s proposed policy.

Ok, then what do you think the policy should be for non-binary students? Should a boy who identifies as non-binary and not female be allowed to join girls' chorus? Maybe his reason for choosing girls' chorus instead of boys is because the schedule works better for him. Since he's not a boy or a girl, why shouldn't he be able to choose which he wants to join? You really think all Arlington parents are totally cool with scenarios like this?

If the person can sing in the range of one of the parts and wants to be in girls chorus, who cares?

Ok what about the non binary girl who wanted to run for prom king? What if a non binary boy wanted to use the girls locker room? This can go on forever.

Non-binary girl running for prom king? Who is being harmed? It's a popularity contest. As far as the locker room issue, there's a real possibility of someone feeling uncomfortable. I would be in favor of a separate single person room being available for changing for those who need it. I know Wakefield has a few outside the pool. Maybe the other schools do as well?

Who would have been harmed were the boys running for prom king. There was no reason in the world she couldn't run for prom queen. She just wanted to make a statement. And why does a non-binary boy need a separate single room for changing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I worry that much of this thread is being trolled and animated by voices outside of Arlington. It reminds me of when a gun store was planning to open in Cherrydale and the NRA started giving the issue national coverage and a lot of non-Arlington voices entered the conversation. I find it very difficult to believe that there are a lot of residents sufficiently concerned about the transgender policy issue that they would devote the time and energy to fighting APS’s proposed policy.

Ok, then what do you think the policy should be for non-binary students? Should a boy who identifies as non-binary and not female be allowed to join girls' chorus? Maybe his reason for choosing girls' chorus instead of boys is because the schedule works better for him. Since he's not a boy or a girl, why shouldn't he be able to choose which he wants to join? You really think all Arlington parents are totally cool with scenarios like this?

If the person can sing in the range of one of the parts and wants to be in girls chorus, who cares?

Ok what about the non binary girl who wanted to run for prom king? What if a non binary boy wanted to use the girls locker room? This can go on forever.

Non-binary girl running for prom king? Who is being harmed? It's a popularity contest. As far as the locker room issue, there's a real possibility of someone feeling uncomfortable. I would be in favor of a separate single person room being available for changing for those who need it. I know Wakefield has a few outside the pool. Maybe the other schools do as well?

Who would have been harmed were the boys running for prom king. There was no reason in the world she couldn't run for prom queen. She just wanted to make a statement. And why does a non-binary boy need a separate single room for changing?

If we would just get rid of this idea of gender and go back to biological sex it would all be so simple.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I worry that much of this thread is being trolled and animated by voices outside of Arlington. It reminds me of when a gun store was planning to open in Cherrydale and the NRA started giving the issue national coverage and a lot of non-Arlington voices entered the conversation. I find it very difficult to believe that there are a lot of residents sufficiently concerned about the transgender policy issue that they would devote the time and energy to fighting APS’s proposed policy.

Typed by someone who doesn’t have now, nor never will have a competitive xx girl athlete.

I would give more credit to the sports argument if people weren’t using it as a springboard to generally villify the concept of transgender inclusion, such as vague fears about our girls sharing space with biological males who identify as female. That’s straight up fear mongering.

Agreed!

Here is some reading: https://www.aclu.org/blog/lgbt-rights/transgender-rights/banning-trans-girls-school-sports-neither-feminist-nor-legal

"These stereotypes are also being invoked in the arena of professional sports, where so-called “gender testing” has been used to police the bodies of women of color and intersex women. The International Association of Athletic Federations has targeted athletes like Dutee Chand and Caster Semenya for testosterone testing based on arbitrary limits. IAAF’s new set of proposed regulations, which Semenya is challenging, would require female athletes with hyperandrogenism to undergo unnecessary medical treatment to suppress their hormones in order to compete.

Cisgender women should be concerned whenever an alleged concern for “protecting” our wellbeing is invoked to justify exclusion."

My only concern with any of the policies is the possible effect on women’s sports. Could care less about the rest, especially who gets elected prom queen or king.

Don’t assume we’re all crazy or using it as a front for something else. It’s frustrating to be dismissed because some people who sing your same tune on one issue are also crazy. It’s like dismissing the entire BLM group as a black supremacist hate group because a very few people did bad things while claiming a BLM mantel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I worry that much of this thread is being trolled and animated by voices outside of Arlington. It reminds me of when a gun store was planning to open in Cherrydale and the NRA started giving the issue national coverage and a lot of non-Arlington voices entered the conversation. I find it very difficult to believe that there are a lot of residents sufficiently concerned about the transgender policy issue that they would devote the time and energy to fighting APS’s proposed policy.

Typed by someone who doesn’t have now, nor never will have a competitive xx girl athlete.

I would give more credit to the sports argument if people weren’t using it as a springboard to generally villify the concept of transgender inclusion, such as vague fears about our girls sharing space with biological males who identify as female. That’s straight up fear mongering.

Agreed!

Here is some reading: https://www.aclu.org/blog/lgbt-rights/transgender-rights/banning-trans-girls-school-sports-neither-feminist-nor-legal

"These stereotypes are also being invoked in the arena of professional sports, where so-called “gender testing” has been used to police the bodies of women of color and intersex women. The International Association of Athletic Federations has targeted athletes like Dutee Chand and Caster Semenya for testosterone testing based on arbitrary limits. IAAF’s new set of proposed regulations, which Semenya is challenging, would require female athletes with hyperandrogenism to undergo unnecessary medical treatment to suppress their hormones in order to compete.

Cisgender women should be concerned whenever an alleged concern for “protecting” our wellbeing is invoked to justify exclusion."

If we are going to have separate competitions for men and women, there has to be a definition of who is a woman. The whole existence of women's sports is based on the fact the women cannot compete with men in an open field in many sports.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I worry that much of this thread is being trolled and animated by voices outside of Arlington. It reminds me of when a gun store was planning to open in Cherrydale and the NRA started giving the issue national coverage and a lot of non-Arlington voices entered the conversation. I find it very difficult to believe that there are a lot of residents sufficiently concerned about the transgender policy issue that they would devote the time and energy to fighting APS’s proposed policy.

Ok, then what do you think the policy should be for non-binary students? Should a boy who identifies as non-binary and not female be allowed to join girls' chorus? Maybe his reason for choosing girls' chorus instead of boys is because the schedule works better for him. Since he's not a boy or a girl, why shouldn't he be able to choose which he wants to join? You really think all Arlington parents are totally cool with scenarios like this?

If the person can sing in the range of one of the parts and wants to be in girls chorus, who cares?

Ok what about the non binary girl who wanted to run for prom king? What if a non binary boy wanted to use the girls locker room? This can go on forever.

Why are you bringing non binary into this? IS it to move goal posts or do you not understand the difference?[/quote]

This isn't moving the goal post. Non-binary people consider themselves transgender.

No.Not really. https://transequality.org/issues/resources/understanding-non-binary-people-how-to-be-respectful-and-supportive
"Most transgender people are not non-binary. While some transgender people are non-binary, most transgender people have a gender identity that is either male or female, and should be treated like any other man or woman."

[Anonymous]

Someone please answer why we can't just get rid of the word gender and go by biological sex? You can be a feminine male or masculine female, people can dress how they choose, and go by whatever name they want, but when it comes to sports, locker rooms, roommate assignments, etc. Just go by biological sex.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I worry that much of this thread is being trolled and animated by voices outside of Arlington. It reminds me of when a gun store was planning to open in Cherrydale and the NRA started giving the issue national coverage and a lot of non-Arlington voices entered the conversation. I find it very difficult to believe that there are a lot of residents sufficiently concerned about the transgender policy issue that they would devote the time and energy to fighting APS’s proposed policy.

Typed by someone who doesn’t have now, nor never will have a competitive xx girl athlete.

I would give more credit to the sports argument if people weren’t using it as a springboard to generally villify the concept of transgender inclusion, such as vague fears about our girls sharing space with biological males who identify as female. That’s straight up fear mongering.

Agreed!

Here is some reading: https://www.aclu.org/blog/lgbt-rights/transgender-rights/banning-trans-girls-school-sports-neither-feminist-nor-legal

"These stereotypes are also being invoked in the arena of professional sports, where so-called “gender testing” has been used to police the bodies of women of color and intersex women. The International Association of Athletic Federations has targeted athletes like Dutee Chand and Caster Semenya for testosterone testing based on arbitrary limits. IAAF’s new set of proposed regulations, which Semenya is challenging, would require female athletes with hyperandrogenism to undergo unnecessary medical treatment to suppress their hormones in order to compete.

Cisgender women should be concerned whenever an alleged concern for “protecting” our wellbeing is invoked to justify exclusion."

My only concern with any of the policies is the possible effect on women’s sports. Could care less about the rest, especially who gets elected prom queen or king.

Don’t assume we’re all crazy or using it as a front for something else. It’s frustrating to be dismissed because some people who sing your same tune on one issue are also crazy. It’s like dismissing the entire BLM group as a black supremacist hate group because a very few people did bad things while claiming a BLM mantel.

Then it becomes that much more important that you denounce the trashy arguments that are straight up anti-trans, including this organization that popped up overnight. Fair or unfair, you’ll be lumped with the anti-trans crowd if you don’t clearly distinguish yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Someone please answer why we can't just get rid of the word gender and go by biological sex? You can be a feminine male or masculine female, people can dress how they choose, and go by whatever name they want, but when it comes to sports, locker rooms, roommate assignments, etc. Just go by biological sex.

Umm because the whole issue is about whether to go by gender identity or biological sex in those specific instances you named? And because trans people are going to be singled out and made to feel excluded?