APS Transgender Policy

[Anonymous]

I think “destroying women’s sports” is a little overstating it because transgender folks are a tiny percentage of the population. And it would have to be male to female and play sports and be good. That’s a lot of ands. But, you could just make the guidelines based on sex, not gender. Gender is fluid.

I have boys so no immediate dogs in this fight. My boys wrestle. Girls wrestle in the league as well. Some of them are really really good. They have different strengths than the boys but they definitely have real strengths. Don’t count the girls out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think “destroying women’s sports” is a little overstating it because transgender folks are a tiny percentage of the population. And it would have to be male to female and play sports and be good. That’s a lot of ands. But, you could just make the guidelines based on sex, not gender. Gender is fluid.

I have boys so no immediate dogs in this fight. My boys wrestle. Girls wrestle in the league as well. Some of them are really really good. They have different strengths than the boys but they definitely have real strengths. Don’t count the girls out.

Maybe the percentages are small, but I'm not sure why that matters. Is there a percentage where it becomes an issue? If it is unfair to one person, that is one person too many. How do we prevent fraud? We have to take every transgender's word that they are truly transgender. Where does it end? What if a top flight runner decides that he is transgender and enters the New York marathon and wins the women's $100,000 first prize? Is that fair?

[Anonymous]

I don’t think allowing transgender MTF to compete in women’s sports would necessarily “destroy” women’s sports. But I do think it’s unfair. I don’t think a single XX woman should lose out on a championship or scholarship because someone with an unfair XY advantage was allowed to compete. I also do think it would hurt women’s sports if girls grow up seeing XY women crush XX women in various competitions. It sends the message that XX bodies aren’t strong or capable enough and may discourage XX girls from pursuing competitive sports.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think “destroying women’s sports” is a little overstating it because transgender folks are a tiny percentage of the population. And it would have to be male to female and play sports and be good. That’s a lot of ands. But, you could just make the guidelines based on sex, not gender. Gender is fluid.

I have boys so no immediate dogs in this fight. My boys wrestle. Girls wrestle in the league as well. Some of them are really really good. They have different strengths than the boys but they definitely have real strengths. Don’t count the girls out.

I’m not pp, but I could see some women’s sports in the Olympic Games becoming dominated by transgendered women. That could definitely have a trickle down effect on those sports in general. Xx women would no longer have a reason to try to compete at the highest levels of those sports.

I was at our local high school pool recently, and two of the school’s best female swimmers were looking up at the record board, where their names were recently placed after a great senior season for them. One transgender teammate could easily have taken that away from them. One good xy member of the team every few years, and xx members can forget about trying for those records. No point. Xy women have inherent physical advantages when it comes to most sports.

I have no other qualms about transgendered people, but I really do think that allowing transgendered athletes to perform on girls’ and women’s teams would be detrimental.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think “destroying women’s sports” is a little overstating it because transgender folks are a tiny percentage of the population. And it would have to be male to female and play sports and be good. That’s a lot of ands. But, you could just make the guidelines based on sex, not gender. Gender is fluid.

I have boys so no immediate dogs in this fight. My boys wrestle. Girls wrestle in the league as well. Some of them are really really good. They have different strengths than the boys but they definitely have real strengths. Don’t count the girls out.

I’m not pp, but I could see some women’s sports in the Olympic Games becoming dominated by transgendered women. That could definitely have a trickle down effect on those sports in general. Xx women would no longer have a reason to try to compete at the highest levels of those sports.

I was at our local high school pool recently, and two of the school’s best female swimmers were looking up at the record board, where their names were recently placed after a great senior season for them. One transgender teammate could easily have taken that away from them. One good xy member of the team every few years, and xx members can forget about trying for those records. No point. Xy women have inherent physical advantages when it comes to most sports.

I have no other qualms about transgendered people, but I really do think that allowing transgendered athletes to perform on girls’ and women’s teams would be detrimental.

This. Sports is about fair competition. Sure, it is unlikely your DD will be competing against a transgender woman--but, at the higher levels, it becomes more likely and takes the fairness out of it.

Otherwise--why have Title IX? Just let the girls compete with the boys. How would that work out?

[Anonymous]

Honestly, OP. Who cares? Let the kids be the way they are comfortable.

[Anonymous]

Sorry - but if your whole point is about “are sports fair?m” is your entire argument- I have questions. Will my child’s life change because they are number 2 and not number 1 in the sport really affect them? I get that most of the time an XX WONT WIN AGAINST XY. It’s a small percentage AND in the long run does not really matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sorry - but if your whole point is about “are sports fair?m” is your entire argument- I have questions. Will my child’s life change because they are number 2 and not number 1 in the sport really affect them? I get that most of the time an XX WONT WIN AGAINST XY. It’s a small percentage AND in the long run does not really matter.

Since it is such a small percentage, then wouldn't it make more sense for the xy to stay out of the competition? XY can participate in the practices, since the competition doesn't matter..........

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sorry - but if your whole point is about “are sports fair?m” is your entire argument- I have questions. Will my child’s life change because they are number 2 and not number 1 in the sport really affect them? I get that most of the time an XX WONT WIN AGAINST XY. It’s a small percentage AND in the long run does not really matter.

I am the poster who posted percentages earlier and made essentially the same points.

the problem is people are never going to see eye-to-eye here because of how you define "woman." I posted all the percentages to show how it would be essentially a non problem, but I tend to think of it is not necessarily unfair. There will always be someone bigger or stronger than you when competing . And even though as previous biological men they might have been stronger, they are in fact women now.

That's how I see it. That they are women. They can't compete in the men's sports, so where else should they

we keep talking about what is potentially Fair or unfair for athletes in these what if scenarios later, but no one is asking the question of what is fair to a trans person?

I know I'm going to not reach people with that argument so I tried to focus on the numbers game, but the truth is, life is not fair and no sports is an equal playing field. Not by a long shot.

This is just one more way in which an athlete will have to rise to the occasion.

But because I feel this way I have been called clueless a liar and all sorts of other things here and elsewhere. people's emotions are way too deeply invested to have a rational conversation apparently

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry - but if your whole point is about “are sports fair?m” is your entire argument- I have questions. Will my child’s life change because they are number 2 and not number 1 in the sport really affect them? I get that most of the time an XX WONT WIN AGAINST XY. It’s a small percentage AND in the long run does not really matter.

I am the poster who posted percentages earlier and made essentially the same points.

the problem is people are never going to see eye-to-eye here because of how you define "woman." I posted all the percentages to show how it would be essentially a non problem, but I tend to think of it is not necessarily unfair. There will always be someone bigger or stronger than you when competing . And even though as previous biological men they might have been stronger, they are in fact women now.

That's how I see it. That they are women. They can't compete in the men's sports, so where else should they

we keep talking about what is potentially Fair or unfair for athletes in these what if scenarios later, but no one is asking the question of what is fair to a trans person?

I know I'm going to not reach people with that argument so I tried to focus on the numbers game, but the truth is, life is not fair and no sports is an equal playing field. Not by a long shot.

This is just one more way in which an athlete will have to rise to the occasion.

But because I feel this way I have been called clueless a liar and all sorts of other things here and elsewhere. people's emotions are way too deeply invested to have a rational conversation apparently

But why can’t XY women compete against XY men? There’s no rule disallowing that and that would be totally fair. Letting XY women compete against XX women is unfair though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry - but if your whole point is about “are sports fair?m” is your entire argument- I have questions. Will my child’s life change because they are number 2 and not number 1 in the sport really affect them? I get that most of the time an XX WONT WIN AGAINST XY. It’s a small percentage AND in the long run does not really matter.

I am the poster who posted percentages earlier and made essentially the same points.

the problem is people are never going to see eye-to-eye here because of how you define "woman." I posted all the percentages to show how it would be essentially a non problem, but I tend to think of it is not necessarily unfair. There will always be someone bigger or stronger than you when competing . And even though as previous biological men they might have been stronger, they are in fact women now.

That's how I see it. That they are women. They can't compete in the men's sports, so where else should they

we keep talking about what is potentially Fair or unfair for athletes in these what if scenarios later, but no one is asking the question of what is fair to a trans person?

I know I'm going to not reach people with that argument so I tried to focus on the numbers game, but the truth is, life is not fair and no sports is an equal playing field. Not by a long shot.

This is just one more way in which an athlete will have to rise to the occasion.

But because I feel this way I have been called clueless a liar and all sorts of other things here and elsewhere. people's emotions are way too deeply invested to have a rational conversation apparently

Doping gives a female athlete a large competitive edge over her competition, and is understood by almost everyone to be unfair. A person who reaches puberty as a physical male generally would have an even larger physical advantage over lifelong physically females. Ergo, it is even more unfair.

It’s funny to think that all this time women haven’t been competing against men just because they weren’t “rising to the occasion.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think “destroying women’s sports” is a little overstating it because transgender folks are a tiny percentage of the population. And it would have to be male to female and play sports and be good. That’s a lot of ands. But, you could just make the guidelines based on sex, not gender. Gender is fluid.

I have boys so no immediate dogs in this fight. My boys wrestle. Girls wrestle in the league as well. Some of them are really really good. They have different strengths than the boys but they definitely have real strengths. Don’t count the girls out.

I agree.
And to the PP who stated “they are women now,” NO, they aren’t biologically female. And that matters in things like sports. And if no one should care about winning, why does the transgender person want/need to compete or try to win? Why is it fair to disadvantage the many XX females, but not the very few XY MTF people? They should be allowed to compete against other biological males.

[Anonymous]

All of y'all are ignoring genetic non-conformists who tend to opt female. Also, it's sports, games. so what?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All of y'all are ignoring genetic non-conformists who tend to opt female. Also, it's sports, games. so what?

I suppose I should be more specific: Turner's syndrome, XXY, just an X.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All of y'all are ignoring genetic non-conformists who tend to opt female. Also, it's sports, games. so what?

If it’s just “sports, games, so what?” then why don’t the transgender people simply compete with their natal sex? Why should girls and women be expected to step aside for them? They have a place to compete if they want it. They don’t need to compete against girls.