08 Girls

Anonymous
FPYCparent wrote:Here are some links to the Fall 2019 divisions with the teams as listed by NCSL:

Division 1 <== Link
ARL 08G Black
ARL 08G Blue
FPYC United Blue 08
GFR 08 United
MCLN 2008 Girls Green/Pre ECNL
MSI Academy Green
MSI Academy White
PWSI Girls 2008 Red
SFCE 2008 Girls
SMS Fusion


Division 2 <== Link
BAC Badgers
GFR 08 Arsenal
LFC Thunder
LOUD 08G Silver
LOUD 08G White
MCLN 2008 Girls Gold
PAC Gold 08
SYC Pride 08 White
VSA 08G Premier Elite
VYS '08G Black


Division 3 <== Link
ALEX 2008 Girls White
BETH Academy Orange 06
BRYC Elite Academy U12 Elite
CSA Pride 08G
FCVA United Elite 08G
GSC Spirit Red 08
LMVS Patriots 2008 Red
OLNY Impact White
PWSI Girls 2008 Classic
WCU 08G Blue


Division 4 <== Link
EPIC Dash
AUSC 2008 Girls Premier
ALEX 2008 Girls Blue
FSCI Phoenix 08 Girls Orange
MCLN 2008 Girls Silver
PWSI Girls 2008 Pride
SYC Pride 08 Black
VRSC 08G Black
VRSC 08G Villarreal Yellow
VSA 08G Premier Red
VYS '08G White


Thank you so much for posting this!
Anonymous
FPYCparent wrote:Here are some links to the Fall 2019 divisions with the teams as listed by NCSL:

Division 1 <== Link
ARL 08G Black
ARL 08G Blue
FPYC United Blue 08
GFR 08 United
MCLN 2008 Girls Green/Pre ECNL
MSI Academy Green
MSI Academy White
PWSI Girls 2008 Red
SFCE 2008 Girls
SMS Fusion


Division 2 <== Link
BAC Badgers
GFR 08 Arsenal
LFC Thunder
LOUD 08G Silver
LOUD 08G White
MCLN 2008 Girls Gold
PAC Gold 08
SYC Pride 08 White
VSA 08G Premier Elite
VYS '08G Black


Division 3 <== Link
ALEX 2008 Girls White
BETH Academy Orange 06
BRYC Elite Academy U12 Elite
CSA Pride 08G
FCVA United Elite 08G
GSC Spirit Red 08
LMVS Patriots 2008 Red
OLNY Impact White
PWSI Girls 2008 Classic
WCU 08G Blue


Division 4 <== Link
EPIC Dash
AUSC 2008 Girls Premier
ALEX 2008 Girls Blue
FSCI Phoenix 08 Girls Orange
MCLN 2008 Girls Silver
PWSI Girls 2008 Pride
SYC Pride 08 Black
VRSC 08G Black
VRSC 08G Villarreal Yellow
VSA 08G Premier Red
VYS '08G White


I thought for Fall U12, the NCSL division assignments were random (or by Team #, which indicates how long a team has existed - which does some sorting). And then they get placed for real in Spring... (ie Fall can be super easy or extra tough for some teams!)
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
FPYCparent wrote:I know, I know. I didn't want to start a new thread yet.

Per the league website, it seems that NCSL is starting to line up its U12 girls divisions for the fall season. Thus far, there appears to be 10 teams across Divisions 1, 2, and 3. (I don't yet know if there is a Division 4. There was a fourth division in the spring.)

I'll assume that this information isn't finalized and is subject to change, but here's what I've discerned (or flat out guessed) thus far.

Four teams from Division 1 (U11-Spring 2019) aren't listed in **any ** NCSL divisions for the fall. Perhaps these teams are moving to other leagues … or disbanded. It may be possible that these teams will play in another age group within NCSL. Same applies to one team that was Division 2 and three teams that were Division 3 in the spring.

BRYC brings their Elite Academy (or is it Academy Elite) team to NCSL (previously unaffiliated with a league) and were placed in Division 3. Same goes for FC Virginia United (was VPL) and PWSI Classic (was ODSL). There are two other teams now in Division 3 for the fall that have no history that **I** can trace: "Bethesda Academy Orange **06**" (not 08) and LMVS Patriots 2008 Red (not the original Red team that's now at SYC). Perhaps that's LMVSC White (from CCL) that's now designated as Red.


BRYC team is likely 09s playing up. Bethesda 06 has to be a typo. FCV still in NPL, so likely either 09s or a 2nd team of 08s.


BRYC team is not 09s playing up.


True. it is BRYC second team (BRYC Elite Academy U12 Elite ) for the age group.
There is 09 U12 ECNL, and this "BRYC Elite Academy U12 Elite " is the previous Blue team.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
FPYCparent wrote:Here are some links to the Fall 2019 divisions with the teams as listed by NCSL:

Division 1 <== Link
ARL 08G Black
ARL 08G Blue
FPYC United Blue 08
GFR 08 United
MCLN 2008 Girls Green/Pre ECNL
MSI Academy Green
MSI Academy White
PWSI Girls 2008 Red
SFCE 2008 Girls
SMS Fusion


Division 2 <== Link
BAC Badgers
GFR 08 Arsenal
LFC Thunder
LOUD 08G Silver
LOUD 08G White
MCLN 2008 Girls Gold
PAC Gold 08
SYC Pride 08 White
VSA 08G Premier Elite
VYS '08G Black


Division 3 <== Link
ALEX 2008 Girls White
BETH Academy Orange 06
BRYC Elite Academy U12 Elite
CSA Pride 08G
FCVA United Elite 08G
GSC Spirit Red 08
LMVS Patriots 2008 Red
OLNY Impact White
PWSI Girls 2008 Classic
WCU 08G Blue


Division 4 <== Link
EPIC Dash
AUSC 2008 Girls Premier
ALEX 2008 Girls Blue
FSCI Phoenix 08 Girls Orange
MCLN 2008 Girls Silver
PWSI Girls 2008 Pride
SYC Pride 08 Black
VRSC 08G Black
VRSC 08G Villarreal Yellow
VSA 08G Premier Red
VYS '08G White


I thought for Fall U12, the NCSL division assignments were random (or by Team #, which indicates how long a team has existed - which does some sorting). And then they get placed for real in Spring... (ie Fall can be super easy or extra tough for some teams!)


No. NCSL does this for the U11, at least for the Girls. I can’t speak for the boys side.
Anonymous
FPYCparent wrote:Here are some links to the Fall 2019 divisions with the teams as listed by NCSL:

Division 1 <== Link
ARL 08G Black
ARL 08G Blue
FPYC United Blue 08
GFR 08 United
MCLN 2008 Girls Green/Pre ECNL
MSI Academy Green
MSI Academy White
PWSI Girls 2008 Red
SFCE 2008 Girls
SMS Fusion


Division 2 <== Link
BAC Badgers
GFR 08 Arsenal
LFC Thunder
LOUD 08G Silver
LOUD 08G White
MCLN 2008 Girls Gold
PAC Gold 08
SYC Pride 08 White
VSA 08G Premier Elite
VYS '08G Black


Division 3 <== Link
ALEX 2008 Girls White
BETH Academy Orange 06
BRYC Elite Academy U12 Elite
CSA Pride 08G
FCVA United Elite 08G
GSC Spirit Red 08
LMVS Patriots 2008 Red
OLNY Impact White
PWSI Girls 2008 Classic
WCU 08G Blue


Division 4 <== Link
EPIC Dash
AUSC 2008 Girls Premier
ALEX 2008 Girls Blue
FSCI Phoenix 08 Girls Orange
MCLN 2008 Girls Silver
PWSI Girls 2008 Pride
SYC Pride 08 Black
VRSC 08G Black
VRSC 08G Villarreal Yellow
VSA 08G Premier Red
VYS '08G White


If I’m not mistaken, this division structure is still in draft format right? The clubs still have to review the structure and agree, correct?
Anonymous
None of these rankings really matter at this point for this age group.

Many kids by mid season will be seriously looking at where their destination club will be for next year. DA? ECNL? EDP?

Most of these teams will be dramatically different this time next year.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:None of these rankings really matter at this point for this age group.

Many kids by mid season will be seriously looking at where their destination club will be for next year. DA? ECNL? EDP?

Most of these teams will be dramatically different this time next year.


Agree. U13 is the year of change. If parents were smart, they would have been focusing on the best individual player development from U9-U12 and not the most winning Club/team. The shake-ups start in the teen years and a lot of 'stars' quit right before HS because they can't handle being demoted.
Anonymous
I guess every club that wins games and tournaments don’t develop kids at all
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I guess every club that wins games and tournaments don’t develop kids at all


First time at the Rodeo?

They win with most physically dominant....and then cut kids and heavily recruit in the later years. I have 3 kids that all made top teams in their teens, coming from a small developmental Club. I know many more that were A team standouts in the wee-little years get cut at U13/14.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I guess every club that wins games and tournaments don’t develop kids at all


First time at the Rodeo?

They win with most physically dominant....and then cut kids and heavily recruit in the later years. I have 3 kids that all made top teams in their teens, coming from a small developmental Club. I know many more that were A team standouts in the wee-little years get cut at U13/14.


It also depends upon the teachability/coachability of a player.

A teacher and/or a professor can be teaching the same topic in their classes but you will see kids with varying grades from A’s to F’s. So a coach can teach the same tactic, technique and/or skills to his/her players but some will focus on learning it and practicing it on their own time. These are the ones that shine compared to others.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I guess every club that wins games and tournaments don’t develop kids at all


First time at the Rodeo?

They win with most physically dominant....and then cut kids and heavily recruit in the later years. I have 3 kids that all made top teams in their teens, coming from a small developmental Club. I know many more that were A team standouts in the wee-little years get cut at U13/14.


No not my first rodeo just because you were at a small club obviously you have to be biased towards your club. Sorry to say but you’re completely wrong, Every small club has the same one liner saying “ We are different we develop” but then turn around on the website and show which tournaments they participated in and won you don’t think if every club could show medals they would? It’s funny when you see a small club turn big then everyone points the finger right back at them. EVERY CLUB has both good players and bad not every small club develops a superstar same not every big club develops a superstar. Happy to teach you more if you respond.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I guess every club that wins games and tournaments don’t develop kids at all


First time at the Rodeo?

They win with most physically dominant....and then cut kids and heavily recruit in the later years. I have 3 kids that all made top teams in their teens, coming from a small developmental Club. I know many more that were A team standouts in the wee-little years get cut at U13/14.


No not my first rodeo just because you were at a small club obviously you have to be biased towards your club. Sorry to say but you’re completely wrong, Every small club has the same one liner saying “ We are different we develop” but then turn around on the website and show which tournaments they participated in and won you don’t think if every club could show medals they would? It’s funny when you see a small club turn big then everyone points the finger right back at them. EVERY CLUB has both good players and bad not every small club develops a superstar same not every big club develops a superstar. Happy to teach you more if you respond.


The small clubs are good best at developing the overlooked kids who would be stuck on a B or C team at a big club and likely receive poor coaching. Those B and C teams win just as few medals. Being at a small club where the coach may likely be of higher quality than the Big club and having more attention can and does develop those players who do come in and displace those "stars" we like to talk about so much who have their fall from grace.

Yes, getting caught up in the big clubs team color hierarchy game does little for developing the overlooked.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I guess every club that wins games and tournaments don’t develop kids at all


First time at the Rodeo?

They win with most physically dominant....and then cut kids and heavily recruit in the later years. I have 3 kids that all made top teams in their teens, coming from a small developmental Club. I know many more that were A team standouts in the wee-little years get cut at U13/14.


No not my first rodeo just because you were at a small club obviously you have to be biased towards your club. Sorry to say but you’re completely wrong, Every small club has the same one liner saying “ We are different we develop” but then turn around on the website and show which tournaments they participated in and won you don’t think if every club could show medals they would? It’s funny when you see a small club turn big then everyone points the finger right back at them. EVERY CLUB has both good players and bad not every small club develops a superstar same not every big club develops a superstar. Happy to teach you more if you respond.


IMO, being at a smaller club allows you to play against top teams that you wouldn't otherwise have the opportunity had you stayed on the 2nd, 3rd or 4th team of a larger club. Playing against better teams develops everyone on the team much quicker.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I guess every club that wins games and tournaments don’t develop kids at all


First time at the Rodeo?

They win with most physically dominant....and then cut kids and heavily recruit in the later years. I have 3 kids that all made top teams in their teens, coming from a small developmental Club. I know many more that were A team standouts in the wee-little years get cut at U13/14.


No not my first rodeo just because you were at a small club obviously you have to be biased towards your club. Sorry to say but you’re completely wrong, Every small club has the same one liner saying “ We are different we develop” but then turn around on the website and show which tournaments they participated in and won you don’t think if every club could show medals they would? It’s funny when you see a small club turn big then everyone points the finger right back at them. EVERY CLUB has both good players and bad not every small club develops a superstar same not every big club develops a superstar. Happy to teach you more if you respond.


The small clubs are good best at developing the overlooked kids who would be stuck on a B or C team at a big club and likely receive poor coaching. Those B and C teams win just as few medals. Being at a small club where the coach may likely be of higher quality than the Big club and having more attention can and does develop those players who do come in and displace those "stars" we like to talk about so much who have their fall from grace.

Yes, getting caught up in the big clubs team color hierarchy game does little for developing the overlooked.


Once again you try to change the subject a hair but doesn’t matter. Ok I’ll explain as simple as I can..

Small clubs= just starting out or dont have enough recognition to recruit players so they have one team. BUT BUT BUT ..... if they get popular and more kids attend then guess what? They will have a B and C team because who is going to turn away profit? So what are they going to say? Dont worry we will still develop the B and C teams because look at our A team then Wooolah now they are exactly what u describe a medium/big club who argues dont ever develop or whatever.

So did we learn something? You said big clubs don't develop its my first rodeo but now you change and say you’re only talking about the B and C teams? of course but the basis was a club who wins medals and games means the club hasn’t developed kids..
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I guess every club that wins games and tournaments don’t develop kids at all


First time at the Rodeo?

They win with most physically dominant....and then cut kids and heavily recruit in the later years. I have 3 kids that all made top teams in their teens, coming from a small developmental Club. I know many more that were A team standouts in the wee-little years get cut at U13/14.


No not my first rodeo just because you were at a small club obviously you have to be biased towards your club. Sorry to say but you’re completely wrong, Every small club has the same one liner saying “ We are different we develop” but then turn around on the website and show which tournaments they participated in and won you don’t think if every club could show medals they would? It’s funny when you see a small club turn big then everyone points the finger right back at them. EVERY CLUB has both good players and bad not every small club develops a superstar same not every big club develops a superstar. Happy to teach you more if you respond.


The small clubs are good best at developing the overlooked kids who would be stuck on a B or C team at a big club and likely receive poor coaching. Those B and C teams win just as few medals. Being at a small club where the coach may likely be of higher quality than the Big club and having more attention can and does develop those players who do come in and displace those "stars" we like to talk about so much who have their fall from grace.

Yes, getting caught up in the big clubs team color hierarchy game does little for developing the overlooked.


And when we are talkinga about looking at 100-150 7 and 8 year olds in 1 hour and then sorting them immediately, it becomes even more ridiculous. They set them then. It makes sense a kid that has potential and went somehwere that took the time to nurture it and realize different developmental timelines could achieve much more. Burn out factor becomes lower also when a player feels like a coach and Club is invested in them. Grit is a biggie too. Starting at the top and being told your wonderful for many kids means they don't work as hard as the kid that wants to prove everyone wrong. Again, this does not apply to every player. But, in my house the one kid people were calling 'little Pele' and grew cocky was the one not in the backyard practicing daily...llike the other kids that later surpassed him in talent.

When you have been through the process yourself and then have grown kids, you will see how it plays out. There is a lot of wasted energy directed in the wrong way in the early years.
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