Eight People Shot in Black Church in Charleston, South Carolina

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I apologize for typing "South Carolina state flag" instead of "South Carolina State House Flag" which is what I meant to type. If this mistake is what you consider a travesty, rather than the fact that the flag is flying in the first place, I would suggest that you have your priorities misplaced. But, go ahead and argue your opinion that I am the only human being using this website that is not allowed to make a mistake."

I don't have any priorities misplaced. I find the confederate flag incredibly offensive. I take offense at your inference that the fact that it flies in SC somehow shows that the people of SC must agree with it flying. If you follow that logic, then all US citizens could be accused of believing in all symbols that the US government chooses to use.

My inference was that a person who appreciates symbols of racism probably appreciates the Confederate Battle Flag. Do you deny that? Also, my inference has been proven correct given that the car Roof drove to the shooting was outfitted with a license plate picturing the Confederate Battle Flag.

All of you people thinking I was wrong to suggest that Roof might display the same flag that flies over the South Carolina Statehouse are barking up the wrong tree. I was right. Deal with it.

I deny it. I appreciate the confederate battle flag as an important part of history, just as I appreciate Nazi memorabilia (and I'm a Jew). The difference is WHY I appreciate it. As someone who makes her living in the antique/vintage business, I feel all items associated with the past tell a story. Some are good, some are bad. All are important.

Thank you. I wonder why I don't hear the outrage about the Union flag, when the U.S. explicitly supported the very regimes in Africa mentioned above. Is it hypocricy? Total blindness? Ignorance? I have no idea.

The flag is history. People like their homeland and its history. Deal with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I read he received the gun as a gift in April. Wtf is wrong with people?

I hope they charge his father with aiding and abetting terrorism.

[Anonymous]

Caught...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/17/white-gunman-sought-in-shooting-at-historic-charleston-african-ame-church/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And, I say again, this is what Jeff wrote:
"He could just have the South Carolina state flag."
Whether he later corrected himself or not is not the point - the point is, as the moderator of this site, I believe he is held to a higher standard than the average DCUM poster who isn't expected to get their facts straight. Jeff should get his facts straight.

I apologize for typing "South Carolina state flag" instead of "South Carolina State House Flag" which is what I meant to type. If this mistake is what you consider a travesty, rather than the fact that the flag is flying in the first place, I would suggest that you have your priorities misplaced. But, go ahead and argue your opinion that I am the only human being using this website that is not allowed to make a mistake.

The State House flag just means that it's not seen as racist anywhere outside of D.C. And maybe suburbs for those, who can't afford D.C. The South is largely fine with its simbolism and has every right to be so.

I didn't grow up in SC, but I came to like it. Your comment was completely tone deaf and uncalled for. Just drop the subject you know absolutely nothing about.

I can't even You couldn't pay me to live in DC.

DC peeps are so close minded... every single human that does not live there doesn't do so because they can't afford it.

I know. Truth hurts sometimes

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And, I say again, this is what Jeff wrote:
"He could just have the South Carolina state flag."
Whether he later corrected himself or not is not the point - the point is, as the moderator of this site, I believe he is held to a higher standard than the average DCUM poster who isn't expected to get their facts straight. Jeff should get his facts straight.

I apologize for typing "South Carolina state flag" instead of "South Carolina State House Flag" which is what I meant to type. If this mistake is what you consider a travesty, rather than the fact that the flag is flying in the first place, I would suggest that you have your priorities misplaced. But, go ahead and argue your opinion that I am the only human being using this website that is not allowed to make a mistake.

The State House flag just means that it's not seen as racist anywhere outside of D.C. And maybe suburbs for those, who can't afford D.C. The South is largely fine with its simbolism and has every right to be so.

I didn't grow up in SC, but I came to like it. Your comment was completely tone deaf and uncalled for. Just drop the subject you know absolutely nothing about.

I can't even You couldn't pay me to live in DC.

DC peeps are so close minded... every single human that does not live there doesn't do so because they can't afford it.

DC "peeps" may be closed minded, but at least they are able to follow a conversation. The person talking about DC being expensive hates people from DC and is proudly defending her current home of South Carolina and the flag the flies over its statehouse.

If you are going to be snarky, at least attempt a bit of accuracy. Your snark is not that funny at the best of time and, when misaimed, simply makes you look foolish.

You and I have discussed the Rebel Flag before and you did not understand why a Lynard Skynard shirt may be offensive to somebody. I explained why it would be to a friend of mine. Our conversion was quite informative and cordial, both for (you-in the Lynard Skynard shirt type of way) and against (me-I am not actually against it but I understand why my friend is) the display of the Rebel Flag.

While I can follow the conversation, I was only commenting on part of it. It is a comment that is posted on DCUM quite often... that people in the burbs are both rednecks and poor. It is simple close-minded and not true.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I apologize for typing "South Carolina state flag" instead of "South Carolina State House Flag" which is what I meant to type. If this mistake is what you consider a travesty, rather than the fact that the flag is flying in the first place, I would suggest that you have your priorities misplaced. But, go ahead and argue your opinion that I am the only human being using this website that is not allowed to make a mistake."

I don't have any priorities misplaced. I find the confederate flag incredibly offensive. I take offense at your inference that the fact that it flies in SC somehow shows that the people of SC must agree with it flying. If you follow that logic, then all US citizens could be accused of believing in all symbols that the US government chooses to use.

My inference was that a person who appreciates symbols of racism probably appreciates the Confederate Battle Flag. Do you deny that? Also, my inference has been proven correct given that the car Roof drove to the shooting was outfitted with a license plate picturing the Confederate Battle Flag.

All of you people thinking I was wrong to suggest that Roof might display the same flag that flies over the South Carolina Statehouse are barking up the wrong tree. I was right. Deal with it.

I deny it. I appreciate the confederate battle flag as an important part of history, just as I appreciate Nazi memorabilia (and I'm a Jew). The difference is WHY I appreciate it. As someone who makes her living in the antique/vintage business, I feel all items associated with the past tell a story. Some are good, some are bad. All are important.

Thank you. I wonder why I don't hear the outrage about the Union flag, when the U.S. explicitly supported the very regimes in Africa mentioned above. Is it hypocricy? Total blindness? Ignorance? I have no idea.

The flag is history. People like their homeland and its history. Deal with it.

Here is what I wrote, "My inference was that a person who appreciates symbols of racism probably appreciates the Confederate Battle Flag. Do you deny that? "

If both of you are denying my statement, you are simply wrong. You may be wrong because you misunderstood, or you could be wrong because you are uniformed, or you may be wrong for some other reason, but you are wrong. The Confederate Flag is a very common symbol of white power that shows up almost anytime there are other symbols of white power.

[Anonymous]

I hope the racist bastard gets the death penalty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

While I can follow the conversation, I was only commenting on part of it. It is a comment that is posted on DCUM quite often... that people in the burbs are both rednecks and poor. It is simple close-minded and not true.

Of course not. All the rednecks and the poors are in the flyover country. And all racists are in South Carolina. This is true and so freaking open-minded, that "I can't even."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I apologize for typing "South Carolina state flag" instead of "South Carolina State House Flag" which is what I meant to type. If this mistake is what you consider a travesty, rather than the fact that the flag is flying in the first place, I would suggest that you have your priorities misplaced. But, go ahead and argue your opinion that I am the only human being using this website that is not allowed to make a mistake."

I don't have any priorities misplaced. I find the confederate flag incredibly offensive. I take offense at your inference that the fact that it flies in SC somehow shows that the people of SC must agree with it flying. If you follow that logic, then all US citizens could be accused of believing in all symbols that the US government chooses to use.

My inference was that a person who appreciates symbols of racism probably appreciates the Confederate Battle Flag. Do you deny that? Also, my inference has been proven correct given that the car Roof drove to the shooting was outfitted with a license plate picturing the Confederate Battle Flag.

All of you people thinking I was wrong to suggest that Roof might display the same flag that flies over the South Carolina Statehouse are barking up the wrong tree. I was right. Deal with it.

I deny it. I appreciate the confederate battle flag as an important part of history, just as I appreciate Nazi memorabilia (and I'm a Jew). The difference is WHY I appreciate it. As someone who makes her living in the antique/vintage business, I feel all items associated with the past tell a story. Some are good, some are bad. All are important.

You are right, but not everyone is as equanimous as you are. Particularly in DCUM off-topic.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I apologize for typing "South Carolina state flag" instead of "South Carolina State House Flag" which is what I meant to type. If this mistake is what you consider a travesty, rather than the fact that the flag is flying in the first place, I would suggest that you have your priorities misplaced. But, go ahead and argue your opinion that I am the only human being using this website that is not allowed to make a mistake."

I don't have any priorities misplaced. I find the confederate flag incredibly offensive. I take offense at your inference that the fact that it flies in SC somehow shows that the people of SC must agree with it flying. If you follow that logic, then all US citizens could be accused of believing in all symbols that the US government chooses to use.

My inference was that a person who appreciates symbols of racism probably appreciates the Confederate Battle Flag. Do you deny that? Also, my inference has been proven correct given that the car Roof drove to the shooting was outfitted with a license plate picturing the Confederate Battle Flag.

All of you people thinking I was wrong to suggest that Roof might display the same flag that flies over the South Carolina Statehouse are barking up the wrong tree. I was right. Deal with it.

I deny it. I appreciate the confederate battle flag as an important part of history, just as I appreciate Nazi memorabilia (and I'm a Jew). The difference is WHY I appreciate it. As someone who makes her living in the antique/vintage business, I feel all items associated with the past tell a story. Some are good, some are bad. All are important.

Thank you. I wonder why I don't hear the outrage about the Union flag, when the U.S. explicitly supported the very regimes in Africa mentioned above. Is it hypocricy? Total blindness? Ignorance? I have no idea.

The flag is history. People like their homeland and its history. Deal with it.

Here is what I wrote, "My inference was that a person who appreciates symbols of racism probably appreciates the Confederate Battle Flag. Do you deny that? "

If both of you are denying my statement, you are simply wrong. You may be wrong because you misunderstood, or you could be wrong because you are uniformed, or you may be wrong for some other reason, but you are wrong. The Confederate Flag is a very common symbol of white power that shows up almost anytime there are other symbols of white power.

It also shows up in a number of other circumstances that have nothing to do with white power. It's part of history, and should be treated as such. The same way we treat state and Union flags despite the history that is not exactly unblemished.

[Anonymous]

Will SC fly its Confederate flag half-staff?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/18/1394227/-Will-South-Carolina-fly-its-Confederate-flag-at-half-mast?detail=email

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Here is what I wrote, "My inference was that a person who appreciates symbols of racism probably appreciates the Confederate Battle Flag. Do you deny that? "

If both of you are denying my statement, you are simply wrong. You may be wrong because you misunderstood, or you could be wrong because you are uniformed, or you may be wrong for some other reason, but you are wrong. The Confederate Flag is a very common symbol of white power that shows up almost anytime there are other symbols of white power.

It also shows up in a number of other circumstances that have nothing to do with white power. It's part of history, and should be treated as such. The same way we treat state and Union flags despite the history that is not exactly unblemished.

It's true that the Confederate Battle Flag shows up in circumstances that don't directly relate to white power. As a previous poster in this thread indicated, I have even defended one such circumstance. But, the posters who have been criticizing me are sort of turning things on their head. My point has been that someone who appreciates symbols of racism probably appreciates the Confederate Battle Flag. You guys have understood that to mean that anyone who appreciates the Confederate Battle Flag is a racist. Those two sentences are not synonymous. Moreover, some of you even seem to deny that racist symbolism of the flag altogether. I don't even know what to say about that. The swastika has many non-racist connotations, but nobody would try to ignore its racist implications.

[Anonymous]

There are 9 people dead and new developments in the story but this thread is flooded with argument over a freaking flag. Really?

Maybe start a new thread for the flag debate so people can discuss what happened and actually find updates.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Here is what I wrote, "My inference was that a person who appreciates symbols of racism probably appreciates the Confederate Battle Flag. Do you deny that? "

If both of you are denying my statement, you are simply wrong. You may be wrong because you misunderstood, or you could be wrong because you are uniformed, or you may be wrong for some other reason, but you are wrong. The Confederate Flag is a very common symbol of white power that shows up almost anytime there are other symbols of white power.

It also shows up in a number of other circumstances that have nothing to do with white power. It's part of history, and should be treated as such. The same way we treat state and Union flags despite the history that is not exactly unblemished.

It's true that the Confederate Battle Flag shows up in circumstances that don't directly relate to white power. As a previous poster in this thread indicated, I have even defended one such circumstance. But, the posters who have been criticizing me are sort of turning things on their head. My point has been that someone who appreciates symbols of racism probably appreciates the Confederate Battle Flag. You guys have understood that to mean that anyone who appreciates the Confederate Battle Flag is a racist. Those two sentences are not synonymous. Moreover, some of you even seem to deny that racist symbolism of the flag altogether. I don't even know what to say about that. The swastika has many non-racist connotations, but nobody would try to ignore its racist implications.

I would not try to explain the real point of what you said to these people who want to freak out over nothing and split hairs when all of these innocent people have died. Intelligent people can see exactly what you were saying, Jeff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are 9 people dead and new developments in the story but this thread is flooded with argument over a freaking flag. Really?

Maybe start a new thread for the flag debate so people can discuss what happened and actually find updates.

You are looking for news updates on this site, AN OPINION BOARD, instead of a reputable news outlet?
Seriously??