Eight People Shot in Black Church in Charleston, South Carolina

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I'm confused about the whole Tea Party thing. I've never heard it suggested that Roof was Tea Party, only that he's a racist using racist symbols to broadcast his racism. He's posing with the Confederate flag and burning the American (Union) one. It's all pretty consistent, actually.

Exactly. I haven't seen a single post on DCUM suggesting that Roof was a Tea Party member and I certainly haven't suggested he was. But, the poster who brought up the Tea Party is the same one claiming that black activism provoked Roof and that Clementa Pinckney is just like Pam Geller. I don't think we can expect much in the way of coherence from her.

I have seen many posts on DCUM equating Tea Party members with racism. And many posts linking Republicans with racism. Yet it is not Republicans and Tea Party conservatives that burn the American flag. That seems the behavior of progressive activists.

And Jeff, didn't you argue that Geller's "draw Mohammed" contest provoked radical Muslims? I believe you did. See, that's the thing with people like Roof and radicals; they see activism differently than you and I, and it elicits a response, often a heinous one. So Pinckney's activism - and other black activism is seen as a declaration of war to someone like Roof. Does that mean Pinckney and Geller should shut it? Does that mean they should be aware of those that would seek to shut them up? Definitely. Would I have liked to have seen Pinckney better protected? Most definitely.

You seem to be implying that I agree with Roof's actions. I most certainly do not - and given you seem to have the ability to know what I've said in various posts, you are well aware of how I feel about Roof's crime. I truly don't understand why you would behave like that.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I'm confused about the whole Tea Party thing. I've never heard it suggested that Roof was Tea Party, only that he's a racist using racist symbols to broadcast his racism. He's posing with the Confederate flag and burning the American (Union) one. It's all pretty consistent, actually.

Exactly. I haven't seen a single post on DCUM suggesting that Roof was a Tea Party member and I certainly haven't suggested he was. But, the poster who brought up the Tea Party is the same one claiming that black activism provoked Roof and that Clementa Pinckney is just like Pam Geller. I don't think we can expect much in the way of coherence from her.

I have seen many posts on DCUM equating Tea Party members with racism. And many posts linking Republicans with racism. Yet it is not Republicans and Tea Party conservatives that burn the American flag. That seems the behavior of progressive activists.

And Jeff, didn't you argue that Geller's "draw Mohammed" contest provoked radical Muslims? I believe you did. See, that's the thing with people like Roof and radicals; they see activism differently than you and I, and it elicits a response, often a heinous one. So Pinckney's activism - and other black activism is seen as a declaration of war to someone like Roof. Does that mean Pinckney and Geller should shut it? Does that mean they should be aware of those that would seek to shut them up? Definitely. Would I have liked to have seen Pinckney better protected? Most definitely.

You seem to be implying that I agree with Roof's actions. I most certainly do not - and given you seem to have the ability to know what I've said in various posts, you are well aware of how I feel about Roof's crime. I truly don't understand why you would behave like that.

The fact that you have seen unrelated posts on DCUM hardly explains your point. Nobody has said that Roof was a Tea Partier. No amount of unrelated posts will change that. The fact that you can't distinguish between Pickney and Geller is not worth addressing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can I just take a moment and laugh at this little dipshit's photo? Obviously he's a horrible, awful human being. But the sight of this puny little POS in a 'Gold's Gym' tank is completely hilarious to me. I feel bad for Gold's.

Hmmm, he's also burning the American flag. Wonder if Jeff saw this along with the confederate flag photo? If so, why leave it out? I don't know many tea party members who would do this...none in fact.

And yet I have not heard anyone call me this piece of horse manure a THUG. I have followed this story on the radio in my car, in my office, at home, and on DCUM. No one has referred to this contemptible person as a THUG. Guess that's reserved for others.

Calling him a THUG would be way too generous. He is way Beyond the THUG category.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I'm confused about the whole Tea Party thing. I've never heard it suggested that Roof was Tea Party, only that he's a racist using racist symbols to broadcast his racism. He's posing with the Confederate flag and burning the American (Union) one. It's all pretty consistent, actually.

Exactly. I haven't seen a single post on DCUM suggesting that Roof was a Tea Party member and I certainly haven't suggested he was. But, the poster who brought up the Tea Party is the same one claiming that black activism provoked Roof and that Clementa Pinckney is just like Pam Geller. I don't think we can expect much in the way of coherence from her.

I have seen many posts on DCUM equating Tea Party members with racism. And many posts linking Republicans with racism. Yet it is not Republicans and Tea Party conservatives that burn the American flag. That seems the behavior of progressive activists.

And Jeff, didn't you argue that Geller's "draw Mohammed" contest provoked radical Muslims? I believe you did. See, that's the thing with people like Roof and radicals; they see activism differently than you and I, and it elicits a response, often a heinous one. So Pinckney's activism - and other black activism is seen as a declaration of war to someone like Roof. Does that mean Pinckney and Geller should shut it? Does that mean they should be aware of those that would seek to shut them up? Definitely. Would I have liked to have seen Pinckney better protected? Most definitely.

You seem to be implying that I agree with Roof's actions. I most certainly do not - and given you seem to have the ability to know what I've said in various posts, you are well aware of how I feel about Roof's crime. I truly don't understand why you would behave like that.

The fact that you have seen unrelated posts on DCUM hardly explains your point. Nobody has said that Roof was a Tea Partier. No amount of unrelated posts will change that. The fact that you can't distinguish between Pickney and Geller is not worth addressing.

Nobody HAS to suggest it. It's clear how progressives on this site. think re: southerners, republicans and conservatives. Here, Tea Party = racist. The fact you cannot see that Pickney didn't have to die, nor did the others, is distressing. HRC had protection. Sharpton has protection.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I'm confused about the whole Tea Party thing. I've never heard it suggested that Roof was Tea Party, only that he's a racist using racist symbols to broadcast his racism. He's posing with the Confederate flag and burning the American (Union) one. It's all pretty consistent, actually.

Exactly. I haven't seen a single post on DCUM suggesting that Roof was a Tea Party member and I certainly haven't suggested he was. But, the poster who brought up the Tea Party is the same one claiming that black activism provoked Roof and that Clementa Pinckney is just like Pam Geller. I don't think we can expect much in the way of coherence from her.

I don't know if it was posted here or not, but I remember Rush Limbaugh saying that someone (I think in the main stream media) would try and connect Roof to the Tea Party. I haven't seen anyone suggest that there was a tea party connection to Roof.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I'm confused about the whole Tea Party thing. I've never heard it suggested that Roof was Tea Party, only that he's a racist using racist symbols to broadcast his racism. He's posing with the Confederate flag and burning the American (Union) one. It's all pretty consistent, actually.

Exactly. I haven't seen a single post on DCUM suggesting that Roof was a Tea Party member and I certainly haven't suggested he was. But, the poster who brought up the Tea Party is the same one claiming that black activism provoked Roof and that Clementa Pinckney is just like Pam Geller. I don't think we can expect much in the way of coherence from her.

I don't know if it was posted here or not, but I remember Rush Limbaugh saying that someone (I think in the main stream media) would try and connect Roof to the Tea Party. I haven't seen anyone suggest that there was a tea party connection to Roof.

But there are many connecting him with Republicans and Conservatives. Why would anyone make that broad a connection? Is the way someone feels suddenly another person's fault? In liberal-land it seems to be

So Many Feels. Try thinking for once.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Shame on the judge for making those remarks as if we should be sorry for the suspects parents. He did not need to make those statements while there were family members of the deceased in the courtroom.

You all don’t get it. These people who have lost loved ones are people of faith. In fact, Charleston has an abundance of people of faith. These people understand repentance and the need for forgiveness. The families of the victims would be some of the first to take the parents of this killer in their arms and mourn with them. Did you not hear these family members tell the killer that they forgive them and hope he seeks God love? The family members are in such pain, but they are God-fearing people who know how hate can eat them up. And, by the way, the judge did NOT ask people to feel sorry for the parents - he said they need support.

DCUM liberals don't feel the need to understand anything. Hating the church-going hicks is enough. The fact that a large number of those "hicks" in the Lowcountry is black doesn't register.

You're not any better than the liberals who hate "church-going hicks," to use your words. I get so tired of certain conservatives and certain liberals stereotyping each other on this site. No, we don't all think the way you do, pp. Anyway, to address what the earlier pp said - I'm in awe of the victims' families. They were amazing at the arraignment.

Unlike DCUM toy liberals, I don't pretend to be better than anybody else. I did not identify as a conservative, so thank you for not stereotyping.

Oh, and where did you read in my post that I called you a conservative? I said you were no better than the people you complain about and then I went on to complain about certain conservatives and certain liberals. But your response was to go on and stereotype an entire group of people you disagree with -- which was exactly my point. Thanks for proving it. BTW, I'm just criticizing you and not anyone else who shares your political beliefs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Shame on the judge for making those remarks as if we should be sorry for the suspects parents. He did not need to make those statements while there were family members of the deceased in the courtroom.

You all don’t get it. These people who have lost loved ones are people of faith. In fact, Charleston has an abundance of people of faith. These people understand repentance and the need for forgiveness. The families of the victims would be some of the first to take the parents of this killer in their arms and mourn with them. Did you not hear these family members tell the killer that they forgive them and hope he seeks God love? The family members are in such pain, but they are God-fearing people who know how hate can eat them up. And, by the way, the judge did NOT ask people to feel sorry for the parents - he said they need support.

DCUM liberals don't feel the need to understand anything. Hating the church-going hicks is enough. The fact that a large number of those "hicks" in the Lowcountry is black doesn't register.

You're not any better than the liberals who hate "church-going hicks," to use your words. I get so tired of certain conservatives and certain liberals stereotyping each other on this site. No, we don't all think the way you do, pp. Anyway, to address what the earlier pp said - I'm in awe of the victims' families. They were amazing at the arraignment.

Unlike DCUM toy liberals, I don't pretend to be better than anybody else. I did not identify as a conservative, so thank you for not stereotyping.

Oh, and where did you read in my post that I called you a conservative? I said you were no better than the people you complain about and then I went on to complain about certain conservatives and certain liberals. But your response was to go on and stereotype an entire group of people you disagree with -- which was exactly my point. Thanks for proving it. BTW, I'm just criticizing you and not anyone else who shares your political beliefs.

So, you criticize me by talking about certain other people? Okay

[Anonymous]

I read Roof's "manifesto" and that does not sound like a mentally ill person. His thoughts are organized and concise. He knew what was doing. He is not a crazy person, he is a man on a mission. He even talks about all of the racism in the South which he doesn't consider racist enough. He feels like white people are true the victims of racism and that slavery was not violent enough. Clearly he does not have a high IQ but he does not sound delusional in any way.

I think that all of the discussion of mental illness is one of the ways that we are distracting ourselves from the fact that racism is blowing up in this country. Look at all of the police brutality. Look at Baltimore. Things are getting scary and I think that they are going to get worse. People are very, very angry and fearful and that is exactly the climate for racial violence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can I just take a moment and laugh at this little dipshit's photo? Obviously he's a horrible, awful human being. But the sight of this puny little POS in a 'Gold's Gym' tank is completely hilarious to me. I feel bad for Gold's.

Hmmm, he's also burning the American flag. Wonder if Jeff saw this along with the confederate flag photo? If so, why leave it out? I don't know many tea party members who would do this...none in fact.

And yet I have not heard anyone call me this piece of horse manure a THUG. I have followed this story on the radio in my car, in my office, at home, and on DCUM. No one has referred to this contemptible person as a THUG. Guess that's reserved for others.

Nah, I called him a thug, murderer, criminal, and POS when everyone else was calling him mentally ill. And as I click back in this thread, I find that there are still people,who would rather think this person mentally ill instead of just an evil, cowardly thuggish murderer. He is what he is. As I mentioned way up thread, the history books are full of evil men who were not mentally ill. The history books are full of evil men who instigated and participated in massacres and the anilihation of people, and yet these murderers were not mentally ill. They were simply evil people who deemed people different than them subhuman.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Shame on the judge for making those remarks as if we should be sorry for the suspects parents. He did not need to make those statements while there were family members of the deceased in the courtroom.

You all don’t get it. These people who have lost loved ones are people of faith. In fact, Charleston has an abundance of people of faith. These people understand repentance and the need for forgiveness. The families of the victims would be some of the first to take the parents of this killer in their arms and mourn with them. Did you not hear these family members tell the killer that they forgive them and hope he seeks God love? The family members are in such pain, but they are God-fearing people who know how hate can eat them up. And, by the way, the judge did NOT ask people to feel sorry for the parents - he said they need support.

DCUM liberals don't feel the need to understand anything. Hating the church-going hicks is enough. The fact that a large number of those "hicks" in the Lowcountry is black doesn't register.

You're not any better than the liberals who hate "church-going hicks," to use your words. I get so tired of certain conservatives and certain liberals stereotyping each other on this site. No, we don't all think the way you do, pp. Anyway, to address what the earlier pp said - I'm in awe of the victims' families. They were amazing at the arraignment.

Unlike DCUM toy liberals, I don't pretend to be better than anybody else. I did not identify as a conservative, so thank you for not stereotyping.

Oh, and where did you read in my post that I called you a conservative? I said you were no better than the people you complain about and then I went on to complain about certain conservatives and certain liberals. But your response was to go on and stereotype an entire group of people you disagree with -- which was exactly my point. Thanks for proving it. BTW, I'm just criticizing you and not anyone else who shares your political beliefs.

So, you criticize me by talking about certain other people? Okay

NP. It is readily apparent you either have reading comprehension problems, or you just like playing the nitwit role.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Shame on the judge for making those remarks as if we should be sorry for the suspects parents. He did not need to make those statements while there were family members of the deceased in the courtroom.

You all don’t get it. These people who have lost loved ones are people of faith. In fact, Charleston has an abundance of people of faith. These people understand repentance and the need for forgiveness. The families of the victims would be some of the first to take the parents of this killer in their arms and mourn with them. Did you not hear these family members tell the killer that they forgive them and hope he seeks God love? The family members are in such pain, but they are God-fearing people who know how hate can eat them up. And, by the way, the judge did NOT ask people to feel sorry for the parents - he said they need support.

DCUM liberals don't feel the need to understand anything. Hating the church-going hicks is enough. The fact that a large number of those "hicks" in the Lowcountry is black doesn't register.

You're not any better than the liberals who hate "church-going hicks," to use your words. I get so tired of certain conservatives and certain liberals stereotyping each other on this site. No, we don't all think the way you do, pp. Anyway, to address what the earlier pp said - I'm in awe of the victims' families. They were amazing at the arraignment.

Unlike DCUM toy liberals, I don't pretend to be better than anybody else. I did not identify as a conservative, so thank you for not stereotyping.

Oh, and where did you read in my post that I called you a conservative? I said you were no better than the people you complain about and then I went on to complain about certain conservatives and certain liberals. But your response was to go on and stereotype an entire group of people you disagree with -- which was exactly my point. Thanks for proving it. BTW, I'm just criticizing you and not anyone else who shares your political beliefs.

So, you criticize me by talking about certain other people? Okay

If you're trying to troll me, you're doing a pretty bad job of it. If you're not, your logic is breaking down. You missed your mark.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can I just take a moment and laugh at this little dipshit's photo? Obviously he's a horrible, awful human being. But the sight of this puny little POS in a 'Gold's Gym' tank is completely hilarious to me. I feel bad for Gold's.

Hmmm, he's also burning the American flag. Wonder if Jeff saw this along with the confederate flag photo? If so, why leave it out? I don't know many tea party members who would do this...none in fact.

And yet I have not heard anyone call me this piece of horse manure a THUG. I have followed this story on the radio in my car, in my office, at home, and on DCUM. No one has referred to this contemptible person as a THUG. Guess that's reserved for others.

Nah, I called him a thug, murderer, criminal, and POS when everyone else was calling him mentally ill. And as I click back in this thread, I find that there are still people,who would rather think this person mentally ill instead of just an evil, cowardly thuggish murderer. He is what he is. As I mentioned way up thread, the history books are full of evil men who were not mentally ill. The history books are full of evil men who instigated and participated in massacres and the anilihation of people, and yet these murderers were not mentally ill. They were simply evil people who deemed people different than them subhuman.

IMHO, he's not a thug. Thug would be a compliment. A thug is a tough guy. This guy is spindly and pathetic. I think I could beat the crap out of him, and I'm a woman.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I'm confused about the whole Tea Party thing. I've never heard it suggested that Roof was Tea Party, only that he's a racist using racist symbols to broadcast his racism. He's posing with the Confederate flag and burning the American (Union) one. It's all pretty consistent, actually.

Exactly. I haven't seen a single post on DCUM suggesting that Roof was a Tea Party member and I certainly haven't suggested he was. But, the poster who brought up the Tea Party is the same one claiming that black activism provoked Roof and that Clementa Pinckney is just like Pam Geller. I don't think we can expect much in the way of coherence from her.

I don't know if it was posted here or not, but I remember Rush Limbaugh saying that someone (I think in the main stream media) would try and connect Roof to the Tea Party. I haven't seen anyone suggest that there was a tea party connection to Roof.

But there are many connecting him with Republicans and Conservatives. Why would anyone make that broad a connection? Is the way someone feels suddenly another person's fault? In liberal-land it seems to be

So Many Feels. Try thinking for once.

Here's what I've seen: Post equating Roof's actions to racism, and posts pointing out that prominent national-level conservative politicians refuse to use the word "racism" to describe his actions.

This does not mean that conservatives are racist. It means these specific conservatives have a hard time using the word racism, or even, it appears, admitting that racism exists.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:
Here's what I've seen: Post equating Roof's actions to racism, and posts pointing out that prominent national-level conservative politicians refuse to use the word "racism" to describe his actions.

This does not mean that conservatives are racist. It means these specific conservatives have a hard time using the word racism, or even, it appears, admitting that racism exists.

The obvious question this raises is, "who are these national-level conservative politicians afraid to offend by using the word 'racism'?" The most obvious answer is Republican voters. So, ironically, it's arguable that the national-level conservative politicians think their voters are racist or have a problem acknowledging racism.