Eight People Shot in Black Church in Charleston, South Carolina

[Anonymous]

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The State House flag just means that it's not seen as racist anywhere outside of D.C. And maybe suburbs for those, who can't afford D.C. The South is largely fine with its simbolism and has every right to be so.

I didn't grow up in SC, but I came to like it. Your comment was completely tone deaf and uncalled for. Just drop the subject you know absolutely nothing about.

The amazing thing about this comment is the degree to which it erases both the experiences and the opinions of Black Southerners.

+1. And not just black Southerners either.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are there any charities or banks set up to contribute to, to help the victims and survivors?

Here is the church's website: http://www.emanuelamechurch.org

It has a "donate" button.

c

Thanks for this, and I really do appreciate you Jeff, but I think this is a regular donate to the church. If you or anyone come across a site to donate for the care of the victims and not just the church general fund, would you please post? Thanks.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I understand that the flag flies - I completely disagree with the fact that it flies and I am a South Carolinian. I think the horrific acts of last night would be denounced by all reasonable people - whether we live in a state that flies that flag or not. I think Jeff should be ashamed for posting something that seems to indicate that people in SC are racists.

I don't think you followed the discussion closely. Roof is pictured wearing patches of the Apartheid-era South Africa and Rhodesian flags. A poster suggested that he probably had a Confederate battle flag in his bedroom. I simply pointed out that he just needed the flag that flies over the State Capital. If that makes South Carolinians look racist, they should blame their government, not me.

Just gross.

The state elected Tim Scott, one of the finest Freshman Senators out there. Good, good man.

The type of behavior you are exhibiting here is troll-like and self-serving.

The issue is not the people of South Carolina. The issue is symbolism and what symbols reflect. The Apartheid-era South African and Rhodesian flags are symbols of white domination of black people. Similarly, the Confederate Battle Flag is often -- though admittedly not always -- seen in the same light. The fact that the government of South Carolina flies the Confederate Battle Flag over its state capital is undeniable and I fail to see how pointing that out is "gross" or "troll-like".

It's the way you went about it and where.

If there was a single post in this thread that was undeniably "troll-like", it was your post suggesting that the attack was provoked by black activists. Given your apparent regard for decorum in threads, would you like to explain that further?

Quite easily. First, is HRC a black activist? No. But she was speaking in SC earlier that day with the Pastor next to her. Now, imagine you are this guy, which is what I do. It's known there are always triggers for why people cross the line between thoughts and actions, a catalyst if you will, and why these individuals focus on one person or select group of people. Call it mental illness, call it evil, but from their point of view, the individual(s) they seek to kill deserve it.

What I was stating was that from this guy's point of view, the HRC event and topic regarding racist police officers, might have been the trigger. Does that mean that HRC shouldn't have had her say? Of course not! Just as Gellar has the right to speak. But it's foolish to think that you won't 'engage the crazy' by doing so. Probably a good idea to have protection. Gellar did. HRC did at the event. I wish I could roll back time, and make sure the Pastor did as well.

[Anonymous]

It's too late to ban guns. How are we going to collect them all? And the wing nuts have been burying them in their yards since Obama was elected since he's coming for our guns and to force us to join the new socialist muslim caliphate.


I am still waiting for my govt issued burqua.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are there any charities or banks set up to contribute to, to help the victims and survivors?

Here is the church's website: http://www.emanuelamechurch.org

It has a "donate" button.

c

Thanks for this, and I really do appreciate you Jeff, but I think this is a regular donate to the church. If you or anyone come across a site to donate for the care of the victims and not just the church general fund, would you please post? Thanks.

Keep in mind the parishioners will probably be taking care of the victims as well

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I understand that the flag flies - I completely disagree with the fact that it flies and I am a South Carolinian. I think the horrific acts of last night would be denounced by all reasonable people - whether we live in a state that flies that flag or not. I think Jeff should be ashamed for posting something that seems to indicate that people in SC are racists.

I don't think you followed the discussion closely. Roof is pictured wearing patches of the Apartheid-era South Africa and Rhodesian flags. A poster suggested that he probably had a Confederate battle flag in his bedroom. I simply pointed out that he just needed the flag that flies over the State Capital. If that makes South Carolinians look racist, they should blame their government, not me.

Just gross.

The state elected Tim Scott, one of the finest Freshman Senators out there. Good, good man.

The type of behavior you are exhibiting here is troll-like and self-serving.

The issue is not the people of South Carolina. The issue is symbolism and what symbols reflect. The Apartheid-era South African and Rhodesian flags are symbols of white domination of black people. Similarly, the Confederate Battle Flag is often -- though admittedly not always -- seen in the same light. The fact that the government of South Carolina flies the Confederate Battle Flag over its state capital is undeniable and I fail to see how pointing that out is "gross" or "troll-like".

It's the way you went about it and where.

If there was a single post in this thread that was undeniably "troll-like", it was your post suggesting that the attack was provoked by black activists. Given your apparent regard for decorum in threads, would you like to explain that further?

Quite easily. First, is HRC a black activist? No. But she was speaking in SC earlier that day with the Pastor next to her. Now, imagine you are this guy, which is what I do. It's known there are always triggers for why people cross the line between thoughts and actions, a catalyst if you will, and why these individuals focus on one person or select group of people. Call it mental illness, call it evil, but from their point of view, the individual(s) they seek to kill deserve it.

What I was stating was that from this guy's point of view, the HRC event and topic regarding racist police officers, might have been the trigger. Does that mean that HRC shouldn't have had her say? Of course not! Just as Gellar has the right to speak. But it's foolish to think that you won't 'engage the crazy' by doing so. Probably a good idea to have protection. Gellar did. HRC did at the event. I wish I could roll back time, and make sure the Pastor did as well.

Nine people died, a five-year-old reportedly survived by pretending to be dead, and you fret about politicians. Yuck.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The State House flag just means that it's not seen as racist anywhere outside of D.C. And maybe suburbs for those, who can't afford D.C. The South is largely fine with its simbolism and has every right to be so.

I didn't grow up in SC, but I came to like it. Your comment was completely tone deaf and uncalled for. Just drop the subject you know absolutely nothing about.

The amazing thing about this comment is the degree to which it erases both the experiences and the opinions of Black Southerners.

Watch the HBO documentary Southern Rites. The high schools in that town of Georgia up until 2012 had segregated proms. Residents still wear confederate flag jackets etc. and say "deal with it or leave"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And, I say again, this is what Jeff wrote:
"He could just have the South Carolina state flag."
Whether he later corrected himself or not is not the point - the point is, as the moderator of this site, I believe he is held to a higher standard than the average DCUM poster who isn't expected to get their facts straight. Jeff should get his facts straight.

I apologize for typing "South Carolina state flag" instead of "South Carolina State House Flag" which is what I meant to type. If this mistake is what you consider a travesty, rather than the fact that the flag is flying in the first place, I would suggest that you have your priorities misplaced. But, go ahead and argue your opinion that I am the only human being using this website that is not allowed to make a mistake.

The State House flag just means that it's not seen as racist anywhere outside of D.C. And maybe suburbs for those, who can't afford D.C. The South is largely fine with its simbolism and has every right to be so.

I didn't grow up in SC, but I came to like it. Your comment was completely tone deaf and uncalled for. Just drop the subject you know absolutely nothing about.

I can't even You couldn't pay me to live in DC.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I apologize for typing "South Carolina state flag" instead of "South Carolina State House Flag" which is what I meant to type. If this mistake is what you consider a travesty, rather than the fact that the flag is flying in the first place, I would suggest that you have your priorities misplaced. But, go ahead and argue your opinion that I am the only human being using this website that is not allowed to make a mistake."

I don't have any priorities misplaced. I find the confederate flag incredibly offensive. I take offense at your inference that the fact that it flies in SC somehow shows that the people of SC must agree with it flying. If you follow that logic, then all US citizens could be accused of believing in all symbols that the US government chooses to use.

My inference was that a person who appreciates symbols of racism probably appreciates the Confederate Battle Flag. Do you deny that? Also, my inference has been proven correct given that the car Roof drove to the shooting was outfitted with a license plate picturing the Confederate Battle Flag.

All of you people thinking I was wrong to suggest that Roof might display the same flag that flies over the South Carolina Statehouse are barking up the wrong tree. I was right. Deal with it.

I deny it. I appreciate the confederate battle flag as an important part of history, just as I appreciate Nazi memorabilia (and I'm a Jew). The difference is WHY I appreciate it. As someone who makes her living in the antique/vintage business, I feel all items associated with the past tell a story. Some are good, some are bad. All are important.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I understand that the flag flies - I completely disagree with the fact that it flies and I am a South Carolinian. I think the horrific acts of last night would be denounced by all reasonable people - whether we live in a state that flies that flag or not. I think Jeff should be ashamed for posting something that seems to indicate that people in SC are racists.

I don't think you followed the discussion closely. Roof is pictured wearing patches of the Apartheid-era South Africa and Rhodesian flags. A poster suggested that he probably had a Confederate battle flag in his bedroom. I simply pointed out that he just needed the flag that flies over the State Capital. If that makes South Carolinians look racist, they should blame their government, not me.

Just gross.

The state elected Tim Scott, one of the finest Freshman Senators out there. Good, good man.

The type of behavior you are exhibiting here is troll-like and self-serving.

The issue is not the people of South Carolina. The issue is symbolism and what symbols reflect. The Apartheid-era South African and Rhodesian flags are symbols of white domination of black people. Similarly, the Confederate Battle Flag is often -- though admittedly not always -- seen in the same light. The fact that the government of South Carolina flies the Confederate Battle Flag over its state capital is undeniable and I fail to see how pointing that out is "gross" or "troll-like".

It's the way you went about it and where.

If there was a single post in this thread that was undeniably "troll-like", it was your post suggesting that the attack was provoked by black activists. Given your apparent regard for decorum in threads, would you like to explain that further?

Quite easily. First, is HRC a black activist? No. But she was speaking in SC earlier that day with the Pastor next to her. Now, imagine you are this guy, which is what I do. It's known there are always triggers for why people cross the line between thoughts and actions, a catalyst if you will, and why these individuals focus on one person or select group of people. Call it mental illness, call it evil, but from their point of view, the individual(s) they seek to kill deserve it.

What I was stating was that from this guy's point of view, the HRC event and topic regarding racist police officers, might have been the trigger. Does that mean that HRC shouldn't have had her say? Of course not! Just as Gellar has the right to speak. But it's foolish to think that you won't 'engage the crazy' by doing so. Probably a good idea to have protection. Gellar did. HRC did at the event. I wish I could roll back time, and make sure the Pastor did as well.

Nine people died, a five-year-old reportedly survived by pretending to be dead, and you fret about politicians. Yuck.

I'm simply answering Jeff's question.

[Anonymous]

They are all in heaven now. You could never convince them to come back to life in this cess pool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And, I say again, this is what Jeff wrote:
"He could just have the South Carolina state flag."
Whether he later corrected himself or not is not the point - the point is, as the moderator of this site, I believe he is held to a higher standard than the average DCUM poster who isn't expected to get their facts straight. Jeff should get his facts straight.

I apologize for typing "South Carolina state flag" instead of "South Carolina State House Flag" which is what I meant to type. If this mistake is what you consider a travesty, rather than the fact that the flag is flying in the first place, I would suggest that you have your priorities misplaced. But, go ahead and argue your opinion that I am the only human being using this website that is not allowed to make a mistake.

The State House flag just means that it's not seen as racist anywhere outside of D.C. And maybe suburbs for those, who can't afford D.C. The South is largely fine with its simbolism and has every right to be so.

I didn't grow up in SC, but I came to like it. Your comment was completely tone deaf and uncalled for. Just drop the subject you know absolutely nothing about.

Sorry, I lived in North and Central Florida. And most of the people, both educated and educated, knew that the confederate flag symbolized racism, Dixie, the good ole days, and the south's desire to rise again. Rise to do God knows what, nobody would or could say.
I can't even You couldn't pay me to live in DC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And, I say again, this is what Jeff wrote:
"He could just have the South Carolina state flag."
Whether he later corrected himself or not is not the point - the point is, as the moderator of this site, I believe he is held to a higher standard than the average DCUM poster who isn't expected to get their facts straight. Jeff should get his facts straight.

I apologize for typing "South Carolina state flag" instead of "South Carolina State House Flag" which is what I meant to type. If this mistake is what you consider a travesty, rather than the fact that the flag is flying in the first place, I would suggest that you have your priorities misplaced. But, go ahead and argue your opinion that I am the only human being using this website that is not allowed to make a mistake.

The State House flag just means that it's not seen as racist anywhere outside of D.C. And maybe suburbs for those, who can't afford D.C. The South is largely fine with its simbolism and has every right to be so.

I didn't grow up in SC, but I came to like it. Your comment was completely tone deaf and uncalled for. Just drop the subject you know absolutely nothing about.

I can't even You couldn't pay me to live in DC.

DC peeps are so close minded... every single human that does not live there doesn't do so because they can't afford it.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And, I say again, this is what Jeff wrote:
"He could just have the South Carolina state flag."
Whether he later corrected himself or not is not the point - the point is, as the moderator of this site, I believe he is held to a higher standard than the average DCUM poster who isn't expected to get their facts straight. Jeff should get his facts straight.

I apologize for typing "South Carolina state flag" instead of "South Carolina State House Flag" which is what I meant to type. If this mistake is what you consider a travesty, rather than the fact that the flag is flying in the first place, I would suggest that you have your priorities misplaced. But, go ahead and argue your opinion that I am the only human being using this website that is not allowed to make a mistake.

The State House flag just means that it's not seen as racist anywhere outside of D.C. And maybe suburbs for those, who can't afford D.C. The South is largely fine with its simbolism and has every right to be so.

I didn't grow up in SC, but I came to like it. Your comment was completely tone deaf and uncalled for. Just drop the subject you know absolutely nothing about.

I can't even You couldn't pay me to live in DC.

DC peeps are so close minded... every single human that does not live there doesn't do so because they can't afford it.

DC "peeps" may be closed minded, but at least they are able to follow a conversation. The person talking about DC being expensive hates people from DC and is proudly defending her current home of South Carolina and the flag the flies over its statehouse.

If you are going to be snarky, at least attempt a bit of accuracy. Your snark is not that funny at the best of time and, when misaimed, simply makes you look foolish.

[Anonymous]

I read he received the gun as a gift in April. Wtf is wrong with people?