Shootings reported at homes of 2 Democratic lawmakers in Minnesota. At least 3 people shot, suspect at large

[Anonymous]

How old is Vance Boelter's son now? This looks like someone trying to cover for someone else.

Wife packs a bag with 50K...

Passports

Packs the kids in the car?

No wife doing that for a husband but maybe a son?

I have so many questions!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is what happens when one party sows hatred. This was so incredibly avoidable and yet inevitable at the same time. The Republican party sows hatred, plain and simple. I don’t care what anyone replies. I’m sick to death of this crap that led us to this. No one, literally no one, should die for being a member of a political party.

Pu-leeeeeeze. Dems calling every Republican vile, deplorable, stupid, Nazi, Fascist, Hitler….

My MAGA brother posted this yesterday. He did take it down after I asked him if he would mow me over if I were protesting as he knows my political beliefs are different. Note that the cartoon graphic shows a car mowing over children.



https://www.facebook.com/share/p/14EnN7kBQDH/

FB page is full of toxic sh*t like this.

Look at the Proud Boys, the far/alt right, thr WSJ (a right leaning publication!) report this week of far right types calling for violence against protesters. Not violent protesters, [/b]any[b] protesters.

And look at statistics over anecdotes on Fox News accompanied by fiery photos.. Reuters did an analysis of political violence and it is higher on the right.

You were prescient..

Did Fox News report this?

Or what about when this car mowed into a crowd of protesters in Chicago a few days ago when yes, that is what MAGA propaganda sites advocate to their followers per the above?

If you want to say the right doesn't engage in political violence, get your head out of your arse.

I checked Fox News and the New York Post and they didn’t mention the story. Then I asked Grok if the RW news covered it and it said only the Daily Mail did out of all the RW news outlets.

If we’re not all operating from the same set of facts, how can we have a functioning democracy?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is what happens when one party sows hatred. This was so incredibly avoidable and yet inevitable at the same time. The Republican party sows hatred, plain and simple. I don’t care what anyone replies. I’m sick to death of this crap that led us to this. No one, literally no one, should die for being a member of a political party.

Pu-leeeeeeze. Dems calling every Republican vile, deplorable, stupid, Nazi, Fascist, Hitler….

My MAGA brother posted this yesterday. He did take it down after I asked him if he would mow me over if I were protesting as he knows my political beliefs are different. Note that the cartoon graphic shows a car mowing over children.



https://www.facebook.com/share/p/14EnN7kBQDH/

FB page is full of toxic sh*t like this.

Look at the Proud Boys, the far/alt right, thr WSJ (a right leaning publication!) report this week of far right types calling for violence against protesters. Not violent protesters, [/b]any[b] protesters.

And look at statistics over anecdotes on Fox News accompanied by fiery photos.. Reuters did an analysis of political violence and it is higher on the right.

You were prescient..

Did Fox News report this?

Or what about when this car mowed into a crowd of protesters in Chicago a few days ago when yes, that is what MAGA propaganda sites advocate to their followers per the above?

If you want to say the right doesn't engage in political violence, get your head out of your arse.

I checked Fox News and the New York Post and they didn’t mention the story. Then I asked Grok if the RW news covered it and it said only the Daily Mail did out of all the RW news outlets.

If we’re not all operating from the same set of facts, how can we have a functioning democracy?

NYP was the first to report Vance’s identity.
Here we have an incident with no injuries so not surprised it didn’t make national headlines.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazing how quickly this thread has quietened down now that it’s clear the shooter voted for Trump. Yesterday it was the top thread most of the day as MAGA trolls furiously pushed back any suggestions that he might be from their side or had mental health issues. I don’t know if it was just a handful of people promoting MAGA talking points, but they were relentless.

I'm MAGA and early on I said it was irrelevant who he voted for. The guy clearly has issues. And I thought he was probably a big lefty, but again, it's stupid to point to a madman and say "this person represents everyone with those beliefs." You're either someone who believes political violence is justified or you're not. Most people do not believe in political violence. But there are people on both the right and the left who believe it. A democrat who isn't violent has a lot more in common with a MAGA who isn't violent than either have with the militants in their own party. I think the real issue is when people wink and nod at the violent people in their own party while claiming that there's no violence. Yes there is. On both sides. (Yes. Both. SiDeS.)

It is irrelevant who he voted for, but you have to be honest that the rhetoric from the right and the impunity that Trump and his administration are willing to resort to violence (ICE, the thugs who roughed up Senator Padilla, they guy who drove into the "no kings" rally in Charlotesville as examples from just the past couple of days) does not help return the country to settling issues at the ballot box and through debate, rather than inflame and foster more violence.

It is core to MAGA and the project of the violence from the left is just that. Yes, there are bad actors on all sides, but the facts matter. A lot of the vioence coming out of the 2020 protests were right wingers using those protests to agitate. Look it up. I am not saying there are not bad actors on the left and also the anarchists - there are, but lets be honest, the MAGA leadership is all about projecting power through violence, it is core to the message so that people will be fearful and cower. I think we saw yesterday that Americans are not going to fall prey the way the Turks, Russians and Hugarians have.

The country is too big.

I think it's natural to key in on perceived threats. I would write the same thing that you wrote, but about the left. I am legit worried about violence from the left. Just yesterday a man came into the gym, scowling and stalking around. Then I noticed he was wearing a shirt with "No Kings!" etc scrawled with a sharpie pen. And my instant reaction was fear, because the gym was basically empty and it was just me and my young son.

Those kinds of instincts are real and biologically driven. But they still need to be balanced with reality. In my real life, I am friends with as many democrats as Republicans, and none of my democratic friends would dream of committing political violence.

If you live in a bubble, it's really easy to convince yourself that the other side is evil. I'm not going to list all the many, many instances of left wing terrorism, such as the summer of 2020 in which downtowns were hollowed out after being set on fire. You may not call that terrorism, but anyone on the right would. It's up to decent people to fight against that kind of thing regardless of the alleged motivations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How old is Vance Boelter's son now? This looks like someone trying to cover for someone else.

Wife packs a bag with 50K...

Passports

Packs the kids in the car?

No wife doing that for a husband but maybe a son?

I have so many questions!

Man. She was in on it!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is what happens when one party sows hatred. This was so incredibly avoidable and yet inevitable at the same time. The Republican party sows hatred, plain and simple. I don’t care what anyone replies. I’m sick to death of this crap that led us to this. No one, literally no one, should die for being a member of a political party.

Pu-leeeeeeze. Dems calling every Republican vile, deplorable, stupid, Nazi, Fascist, Hitler….

My MAGA brother posted this yesterday. He did take it down after I asked him if he would mow me over if I were protesting as he knows my political beliefs are different. Note that the cartoon graphic shows a car mowing over children.



https://www.facebook.com/share/p/14EnN7kBQDH/

FB page is full of toxic sh*t like this.

Look at the Proud Boys, the far/alt right, thr WSJ (a right leaning publication!) report this week of far right types calling for violence against protesters. Not violent protesters, [/b]any[b] protesters.

And look at statistics over anecdotes on Fox News accompanied by fiery photos.. Reuters did an analysis of political violence and it is higher on the right.

You were prescient..

Did Fox News report this?

Or what about when this car mowed into a crowd of protesters in Chicago a few days ago when yes, that is what MAGA propaganda sites advocate to their followers per the above?

If you want to say the right doesn't engage in political violence, get your head out of your arse.

I checked Fox News and the New York Post and they didn’t mention the story. Then I asked Grok if the RW news covered it and it said only the Daily Mail did out of all the RW news outlets.

If we’re not all operating from the same set of facts, how can we have a functioning democracy?

NYP was the first to report Vance’s identity.
Here we have an incident with no injuries so not surprised it didn’t make national headlines.

I read Fox News and can attest that if it had been a car mowing into a conservative affiliates protest such as Right to Life, it would be a top headline, regardless of injury. You agree, right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazing how quickly this thread has quietened down now that it’s clear the shooter voted for Trump. Yesterday it was the top thread most of the day as MAGA trolls furiously pushed back any suggestions that he might be from their side or had mental health issues. I don’t know if it was just a handful of people promoting MAGA talking points, but they were relentless.

I'm MAGA and early on I said it was irrelevant who he voted for. The guy clearly has issues. And I thought he was probably a big lefty, but again, it's stupid to point to a madman and say "this person represents everyone with those beliefs." You're either someone who believes political violence is justified or you're not. Most people do not believe in political violence. But there are people on both the right and the left who believe it. A democrat who isn't violent has a lot more in common with a MAGA who isn't violent than either have with the militants in their own party. I think the real issue is when people wink and nod at the violent people in their own party while claiming that there's no violence. Yes there is. On both sides. (Yes. Both. SiDeS.)

It is irrelevant who he voted for, but you have to be honest that the rhetoric from the right and the impunity that Trump and his administration are willing to resort to violence (ICE, the thugs who roughed up Senator Padilla, they guy who drove into the "no kings" rally in Charlotesville as examples from just the past couple of days) does not help return the country to settling issues at the ballot box and through debate, rather than inflame and foster more violence.

It is core to MAGA and the project of the violence from the left is just that. Yes, there are bad actors on all sides, but the facts matter. A lot of the vioence coming out of the 2020 protests were right wingers using those protests to agitate. Look it up. I am not saying there are not bad actors on the left and also the anarchists - there are, but lets be honest, the MAGA leadership is all about projecting power through violence, it is core to the message so that people will be fearful and cower. I think we saw yesterday that Americans are not going to fall prey the way the Turks, Russians and Hugarians have.

The country is too big.

I think it's natural to key in on perceived threats. I would write the same thing that you wrote, but about the left. I am legit worried about violence from the left. Just yesterday a man came into the gym, scowling and stalking around. Then I noticed he was wearing a shirt with "No Kings!" etc scrawled with a sharpie pen. And my instant reaction was fear, because the gym was basically empty and it was just me and my young son.

Those kinds of instincts are real and biologically driven. But they still need to be balanced with reality. In my real life, I am friends with as many democrats as Republicans, and none of my democratic friends would dream of committing political violence.

If you live in a bubble, it's really easy to convince yourself that the other side is evil. I'm not going to list all the many, many instances of left wing terrorism, such as the summer of 2020 in which downtowns were hollowed out after being set on fire. You may not call that terrorism, but anyone on the right would. It's up to decent people to fight against that kind of thing regardless of the alleged motivations.

And where I live, it is often the Trump supporters in excessively sized pick up trucks with American flags and Trump stickers who I worry about injuring others. They drive like aggressive insane people without regard to the law. So, shrug?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazing how quickly this thread has quietened down now that it’s clear the shooter voted for Trump. Yesterday it was the top thread most of the day as MAGA trolls furiously pushed back any suggestions that he might be from their side or had mental health issues. I don’t know if it was just a handful of people promoting MAGA talking points, but they were relentless.

I'm MAGA and early on I said it was irrelevant who he voted for. The guy clearly has issues. And I thought he was probably a big lefty, but again, it's stupid to point to a madman and say "this person represents everyone with those beliefs." You're either someone who believes political violence is justified or you're not. Most people do not believe in political violence. But there are people on both the right and the left who believe it. A democrat who isn't violent has a lot more in common with a MAGA who isn't violent than either have with the militants in their own party. I think the real issue is when people wink and nod at the violent people in their own party while claiming that there's no violence. Yes there is. On both sides. (Yes. Both. SiDeS.)

It is irrelevant who he voted for, but you have to be honest that the rhetoric from the right and the impunity that Trump and his administration are willing to resort to violence (ICE, the thugs who roughed up Senator Padilla, they guy who drove into the "no kings" rally in Charlotesville as examples from just the past couple of days) does not help return the country to settling issues at the ballot box and through debate, rather than inflame and foster more violence.

It is core to MAGA and the project of the violence from the left is just that. Yes, there are bad actors on all sides, but the facts matter. A lot of the vioence coming out of the 2020 protests were right wingers using those protests to agitate. Look it up. I am not saying there are not bad actors on the left and also the anarchists - there are, but lets be honest, the MAGA leadership is all about projecting power through violence, it is core to the message so that people will be fearful and cower. I think we saw yesterday that Americans are not going to fall prey the way the Turks, Russians and Hugarians have.

The country is too big.

I think it's natural to key in on perceived threats. I would write the same thing that you wrote, but about the left. I am legit worried about violence from the left. Just yesterday a man came into the gym, scowling and stalking around. Then I noticed he was wearing a shirt with "No Kings!" etc scrawled with a sharpie pen. And my instant reaction was fear, because the gym was basically empty and it was just me and my young son.

Those kinds of instincts are real and biologically driven. But they still need to be balanced with reality. In my real life, I am friends with as many democrats as Republicans, and none of my democratic friends would dream of committing political violence.

If you live in a bubble, it's really easy to convince yourself that the other side is evil. I'm not going to list all the many, many instances of left wing terrorism, such as the summer of 2020 in which downtowns were hollowed out after being set on fire. You may not call that terrorism, but anyone on the right would. It's up to decent people to fight against that kind of thing regardless of the alleged motivations.

95% of American adults are in one of the two political bubbles. They only receive and process half-truths that support their bias. This being said 99.9999% of American are peaceful and loving people who would never harm a fly. This includes the babbling idiot you saw in the gym lol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazing how quickly this thread has quietened down now that it’s clear the shooter voted for Trump. Yesterday it was the top thread most of the day as MAGA trolls furiously pushed back any suggestions that he might be from their side or had mental health issues. I don’t know if it was just a handful of people promoting MAGA talking points, but they were relentless.

I'm MAGA and early on I said it was irrelevant who he voted for. The guy clearly has issues. And I thought he was probably a big lefty, but again, it's stupid to point to a madman and say "this person represents everyone with those beliefs." You're either someone who believes political violence is justified or you're not. Most people do not believe in political violence. But there are people on both the right and the left who believe it. A democrat who isn't violent has a lot more in common with a MAGA who isn't violent than either have with the militants in their own party. I think the real issue is when people wink and nod at the violent people in their own party while claiming that there's no violence. Yes there is. On both sides. (Yes. Both. SiDeS.)

It is irrelevant who he voted for, but you have to be honest that the rhetoric from the right and the impunity that Trump and his administration are willing to resort to violence (ICE, the thugs who roughed up Senator Padilla, they guy who drove into the "no kings" rally in Charlotesville as examples from just the past couple of days) does not help return the country to settling issues at the ballot box and through debate, rather than inflame and foster more violence.

It is core to MAGA and the project of the violence from the left is just that. Yes, there are bad actors on all sides, but the facts matter. A lot of the vioence coming out of the 2020 protests were right wingers using those protests to agitate. Look it up. I am not saying there are not bad actors on the left and also the anarchists - there are, but lets be honest, the MAGA leadership is all about projecting power through violence, it is core to the message so that people will be fearful and cower. I think we saw yesterday that Americans are not going to fall prey the way the Turks, Russians and Hugarians have.

The country is too big.

I think it's natural to key in on perceived threats. I would write the same thing that you wrote, but about the left. I am legit worried about violence from the left. Just yesterday a man came into the gym, scowling and stalking around. Then I noticed he was wearing a shirt with "No Kings!" etc scrawled with a sharpie pen. And my instant reaction was fear, because the gym was basically empty and it was just me and my young son.

Those kinds of instincts are real and biologically driven. But they still need to be balanced with reality. In my real life, I am friends with as many democrats as Republicans, and none of my democratic friends would dream of committing political violence.

If you live in a bubble, it's really easy to convince yourself that the other side is evil. I'm not going to list all the many, many instances of left wing terrorism, such as the summer of 2020 in which downtowns were hollowed out after being set on fire. You may not call that terrorism, but anyone on the right would. It's up to decent people to fight against that kind of thing regardless of the alleged motivations.

95% of American adults are in one of the two political bubbles. They only receive and process half-truths that support their bias. This being said 99.9999% of American are peaceful and loving people who would never harm a fly. This includes the babbling idiot you saw in the gym lol.

This is complete crap. Less than a third of Americans are paying close attention to any political news at all. Remember how the most googled question on election day was “did Biden drop out?”
[twitter]https://news.gallup.com/poll/513128/attention-political-news-slips-back-typical-levels.aspx[/twitter]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazing how quickly this thread has quietened down now that it’s clear the shooter voted for Trump. Yesterday it was the top thread most of the day as MAGA trolls furiously pushed back any suggestions that he might be from their side or had mental health issues. I don’t know if it was just a handful of people promoting MAGA talking points, but they were relentless.

I'm MAGA and early on I said it was irrelevant who he voted for. The guy clearly has issues. And I thought he was probably a big lefty, but again, it's stupid to point to a madman and say "this person represents everyone with those beliefs." You're either someone who believes political violence is justified or you're not. Most people do not believe in political violence. But there are people on both the right and the left who believe it. A democrat who isn't violent has a lot more in common with a MAGA who isn't violent than either have with the militants in their own party. I think the real issue is when people wink and nod at the violent people in their own party while claiming that there's no violence. Yes there is. On both sides. (Yes. Both. SiDeS.)

It is irrelevant who he voted for, but you have to be honest that the rhetoric from the right and the impunity that Trump and his administration are willing to resort to violence (ICE, the thugs who roughed up Senator Padilla, they guy who drove into the "no kings" rally in Charlotesville as examples from just the past couple of days) does not help return the country to settling issues at the ballot box and through debate, rather than inflame and foster more violence.

It is core to MAGA and the project of the violence from the left is just that. Yes, there are bad actors on all sides, but the facts matter. A lot of the vioence coming out of the 2020 protests were right wingers using those protests to agitate. Look it up. I am not saying there are not bad actors on the left and also the anarchists - there are, but lets be honest, the MAGA leadership is all about projecting power through violence, it is core to the message so that people will be fearful and cower. I think we saw yesterday that Americans are not going to fall prey the way the Turks, Russians and Hugarians have.

The country is too big.

I think it's natural to key in on perceived threats. I would write the same thing that you wrote, but about the left. I am legit worried about violence from the left. Just yesterday a man came into the gym, scowling and stalking around. Then I noticed he was wearing a shirt with "No Kings!" etc scrawled with a sharpie pen. And my instant reaction was fear, because the gym was basically empty and it was just me and my young son.

Those kinds of instincts are real and biologically driven. But they still need to be balanced with reality. In my real life, I am friends with as many democrats as Republicans, and none of my democratic friends would dream of committing political violence.

If you live in a bubble, it's really easy to convince yourself that the other side is evil. I'm not going to list all the many, many instances of left wing terrorism, such as the summer of 2020 in which downtowns were hollowed out after being set on fire. You may not call that terrorism, but anyone on the right would. It's up to decent people to fight against that kind of thing regardless of the alleged motivations.

The owner of the boutique strength training gym I went to for a while routinely wore MAGA t-shirts to work. It did not trigger fear in me. I can't fathom why you would be frightened by a man with a "no kings" t-shirt. But, as a woman, I would also likely feel threatened by a man that walks around scowling in a setting where I'm the only person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazing how quickly this thread has quietened down now that it’s clear the shooter voted for Trump. Yesterday it was the top thread most of the day as MAGA trolls furiously pushed back any suggestions that he might be from their side or had mental health issues. I don’t know if it was just a handful of people promoting MAGA talking points, but they were relentless.

I'm MAGA and early on I said it was irrelevant who he voted for. The guy clearly has issues. And I thought he was probably a big lefty, but again, it's stupid to point to a madman and say "this person represents everyone with those beliefs." You're either someone who believes political violence is justified or you're not. Most people do not believe in political violence. But there are people on both the right and the left who believe it. A democrat who isn't violent has a lot more in common with a MAGA who isn't violent than either have with the militants in their own party. I think the real issue is when people wink and nod at the violent people in their own party while claiming that there's no violence. Yes there is. On both sides. (Yes. Both. SiDeS.)

It is irrelevant who he voted for, but you have to be honest that the rhetoric from the right and the impunity that Trump and his administration are willing to resort to violence (ICE, the thugs who roughed up Senator Padilla, they guy who drove into the "no kings" rally in Charlotesville as examples from just the past couple of days) does not help return the country to settling issues at the ballot box and through debate, rather than inflame and foster more violence.

It is core to MAGA and the project of the violence from the left is just that. Yes, there are bad actors on all sides, but the facts matter. A lot of the vioence coming out of the 2020 protests were right wingers using those protests to agitate. Look it up. I am not saying there are not bad actors on the left and also the anarchists - there are, but lets be honest, the MAGA leadership is all about projecting power through violence, it is core to the message so that people will be fearful and cower. I think we saw yesterday that Americans are not going to fall prey the way the Turks, Russians and Hugarians have.

The country is too big.

I think it's natural to key in on perceived threats. I would write the same thing that you wrote, but about the left. I am legit worried about violence from the left. Just yesterday a man came into the gym, scowling and stalking around. Then I noticed he was wearing a shirt with "No Kings!" etc scrawled with a sharpie pen. And my instant reaction was fear, because the gym was basically empty and it was just me and my young son.

Those kinds of instincts are real and biologically driven. But they still need to be balanced with reality. In my real life, I am friends with as many democrats as Republicans, and none of my democratic friends would dream of committing political violence.

If you live in a bubble, it's really easy to convince yourself that the other side is evil. I'm not going to list all the many, many instances of left wing terrorism, such as the summer of 2020 in which downtowns were hollowed out after being set on fire. You may not call that terrorism, but anyone on the right would. It's up to decent people to fight against that kind of thing regardless of the alleged motivations.

95% of American adults are in one of the two political bubbles. They only receive and process half-truths that support their bias. This being said 99.9999% of American are peaceful and loving people who would never harm a fly. This includes the babbling idiot you saw in the gym lol.

This is complete crap. Less than a third of Americans are paying close attention to any political news at all. Remember how the most googled question on election day was “did Biden drop out?”
https://news.gallup.com/poll/513128/attention-political-news-slips-back-typical-levels.aspx

Fixed link ^^^

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazing how quickly this thread has quietened down now that it’s clear the shooter voted for Trump. Yesterday it was the top thread most of the day as MAGA trolls furiously pushed back any suggestions that he might be from their side or had mental health issues. I don’t know if it was just a handful of people promoting MAGA talking points, but they were relentless.

I'm MAGA and early on I said it was irrelevant who he voted for. The guy clearly has issues. And I thought he was probably a big lefty, but again, it's stupid to point to a madman and say "this person represents everyone with those beliefs." You're either someone who believes political violence is justified or you're not. Most people do not believe in political violence. But there are people on both the right and the left who believe it. A democrat who isn't violent has a lot more in common with a MAGA who isn't violent than either have with the militants in their own party. I think the real issue is when people wink and nod at the violent people in their own party while claiming that there's no violence. Yes there is. On both sides. (Yes. Both. SiDeS.)

It is irrelevant who he voted for, but you have to be honest that the rhetoric from the right and the impunity that Trump and his administration are willing to resort to violence (ICE, the thugs who roughed up Senator Padilla, they guy who drove into the "no kings" rally in Charlotesville as examples from just the past couple of days) does not help return the country to settling issues at the ballot box and through debate, rather than inflame and foster more violence.

It is core to MAGA and the project of the violence from the left is just that. Yes, there are bad actors on all sides, but the facts matter. A lot of the vioence coming out of the 2020 protests were right wingers using those protests to agitate. Look it up. I am not saying there are not bad actors on the left and also the anarchists - there are, but lets be honest, the MAGA leadership is all about projecting power through violence, it is core to the message so that people will be fearful and cower. I think we saw yesterday that Americans are not going to fall prey the way the Turks, Russians and Hugarians have.

The country is too big.

I think it's natural to key in on perceived threats. I would write the same thing that you wrote, but about the left. I am legit worried about violence from the left. Just yesterday a man came into the gym, scowling and stalking around. Then I noticed he was wearing a shirt with "No Kings!" etc scrawled with a sharpie pen. And my instant reaction was fear, because the gym was basically empty and it was just me and my young son.

Those kinds of instincts are real and biologically driven. But they still need to be balanced with reality. In my real life, I am friends with as many democrats as Republicans, and none of my democratic friends would dream of committing political violence.

If you live in a bubble, it's really easy to convince yourself that the other side is evil. I'm not going to list all the many, many instances of left wing terrorism, such as the summer of 2020 in which downtowns were hollowed out after being set on fire. You may not call that terrorism, but anyone on the right would. It's up to decent people to fight against that kind of thing regardless of the alleged motivations.

A man wearing a tshirt scared you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazing how quickly this thread has quietened down now that it’s clear the shooter voted for Trump. Yesterday it was the top thread most of the day as MAGA trolls furiously pushed back any suggestions that he might be from their side or had mental health issues. I don’t know if it was just a handful of people promoting MAGA talking points, but they were relentless.

I'm MAGA and early on I said it was irrelevant who he voted for. The guy clearly has issues. And I thought he was probably a big lefty, but again, it's stupid to point to a madman and say "this person represents everyone with those beliefs." You're either someone who believes political violence is justified or you're not. Most people do not believe in political violence. But there are people on both the right and the left who believe it. A democrat who isn't violent has a lot more in common with a MAGA who isn't violent than either have with the militants in their own party. I think the real issue is when people wink and nod at the violent people in their own party while claiming that there's no violence. Yes there is. On both sides. (Yes. Both. SiDeS.)

It is irrelevant who he voted for, but you have to be honest that the rhetoric from the right and the impunity that Trump and his administration are willing to resort to violence (ICE, the thugs who roughed up Senator Padilla, they guy who drove into the "no kings" rally in Charlotesville as examples from just the past couple of days) does not help return the country to settling issues at the ballot box and through debate, rather than inflame and foster more violence.

It is core to MAGA and the project of the violence from the left is just that. Yes, there are bad actors on all sides, but the facts matter. A lot of the vioence coming out of the 2020 protests were right wingers using those protests to agitate. Look it up. I am not saying there are not bad actors on the left and also the anarchists - there are, but lets be honest, the MAGA leadership is all about projecting power through violence, it is core to the message so that people will be fearful and cower. I think we saw yesterday that Americans are not going to fall prey the way the Turks, Russians and Hugarians have.

The country is too big.

I think it's natural to key in on perceived threats. I would write the same thing that you wrote, but about the left. I am legit worried about violence from the left. Just yesterday a man came into the gym, scowling and stalking around. Then I noticed he was wearing a shirt with "No Kings!" etc scrawled with a sharpie pen. And my instant reaction was fear, because the gym was basically empty and it was just me and my young son.

Those kinds of instincts are real and biologically driven. But they still need to be balanced with reality. In my real life, I am friends with as many democrats as Republicans, and none of my democratic friends would dream of committing political violence.

If you live in a bubble, it's really easy to convince yourself that the other side is evil. I'm not going to list all the many, many instances of left wing terrorism, such as the summer of 2020 in which downtowns were hollowed out after being set on fire. You may not call that terrorism, but anyone on the right would. It's up to decent people to fight against that kind of thing regardless of the alleged motivations.

95% of American adults are in one of the two political bubbles. They only receive and process half-truths that support their bias. This being said 99.9999% of American are peaceful and loving people who would never harm a fly. This includes the babbling idiot you saw in the gym lol.

This is complete crap. Less than a third of Americans are paying close attention to any political news at all. Remember how the most googled question on election day was “did Biden drop out?”
[twitter]https://news.gallup.com/poll/513128/attention-political-news-slips-back-typical-levels.aspx[/twitter]

True. No way in heck this country would have been duped into electing Trump-Biden-Trump in the most recent three elections if the majority of Americans were paying attention to more than just half-truth news.

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This is 100% Trump's fault for constantly sowing the seeds of hatred against the left. I've been on this earth for a long time and I've lived through many presidents and I never remember having a President who started 99% of his speeches complaining about the previous President and his political party. I don't remember a President repeating the lie that the election was stolen for the previous four years and stoking the flames of distrust. I don't remember the loser of an election not meeting with the incoming President. I don't remember having a President encourage his supporters to attack the US Capitol. This is a President who acts like a third grader referring to Newsom, a fellow politician, as "Newscum", for example. It's not funny or cute, it's just dumb and just plain hateful. He's a 79 year old man baby. I'm embarrassed for anyone with half a brain who actually supports this imbecile.

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Anonymous wrote:This is 100% Trump's fault for constantly sowing the seeds of hatred against the left. I've been on this earth for a long time and I've lived through many presidents and I never remember having a President who started 99% of his speeches complaining about the previous President and his political party. I don't remember a President repeating the lie that the election was stolen for the previous four years and stoking the flames of distrust. I don't remember the loser of an election not meeting with the incoming President. I don't remember having a President encourage his supporters to attack the US Capitol. This is a President who acts like a third grader referring to Newsom, a fellow politician, as "Newscum", for example. It's not funny or cute, it's just dumb and just plain hateful. He's a 79 year old man baby. I'm embarrassed for anyone with half a brain who actually supports this imbecile.

Agree 100%! You don't remember those behaviors in past presidents because all of our past presidents had some level of class and integrity. 70% of Americans agree with your sentiments now. 99% of Americans and 100% of political historians will agree with you when the dust settles after the Trump era in politics comes to an end.