Maybe it would be a good thing if Trump limited international students at t100 schools?

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't it be a good thing if the top US schools educated and prepared more US students? Is what's happening at harvard a blessing in disguise?

Maybe the government should limit the number of international students at all top schools. Getting in and the cost of attending is just too much.

International students are a major source of funding. They are almost all full pay (sometimes at higher rates than Americans) so they subsidize financial aid as well as their programs of study.

If the government were paying for universities - as it could and arguably should, so that everyone could have a low-cost or free education - then maybe we could talk about it. But as it is, limiting international students would just reduce what the university can afford to do for Americans.

NP. At top universities - at least top 20, top 50, there are enough domestic full pay applicants to make up that funding.

Enough domestic full pay applicants without the university meaningfully lowering their admissions standards?

Yes. Enough domestic full pay applicants without lowering the standards.

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Anonymous wrote:A big MAGA talking point is that foreigners are taking US jobs. It's true - you try getting a job in the Silicon Valley. That is where I'm from, my family lived there until recently but it is literally impossible to compete with H1B visa holders - and now their kids and friends. Even in areas that you don't need tech skills - like marketing - you can't compete. And then competing with foreign students to get into college - there are less spaces for Americans, so there is less opportunity for them and it's a downward spiral.

The universities don't need billions saved in endowments. They can afford to not take foreign money from students.

Sounds like you want a form of socialism where the government dictates how private organizations are run.

Fwiw I also used to work in the Bay Area. I'm also an American.

It’s absolutely true that foreigners with H1Bs visas have taken over the tech industry in this country. Everyone who works in tech knows this.

Once one Indian gets into a company it soon becomes overtaken by them, they are hiring Indians only.

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Anonymous wrote:I graduated from elite colleges and am aware the % of international students is much higher now than it was 25 years ago. I do think there is a valid argument to be made that if these schools are taking in hundreds of millions in Fed funding and even more, then they do have some obligations to prioritize American students. It wasn't an issue in 2000, so perhaps return to 2000 levels. It's all about feeling proportional and the battles around Harvard and other schools is the feeling that they are not being proportional, whether it's student demographics or campus culture.

Agree with this. --Harvard alum

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I agree that Harvard and other US universities can do more to accept domestic students, but it should not be by force. Vote with your feet. if you think that Harvard is not serving your purpose, apply to other schools. Sooner or later, Harvard will self correct. But bullying to get what you want is not the way to go. n

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that Harvard and other US universities can do more to accept domestic students, but it should not be by force. Vote with your feet. if you think that Harvard is not serving your purpose, apply to other schools. Sooner or later, Harvard will self correct. But bullying to get what you want is not the way to go. n

Look for a school that's a good fit. Just buy a Cadillac if you want a Cadillac instead of trying to reconfigure a Ford. Saying you want to go to Harvard only after Harvard does this or does that is so stupid. Then it's not Harvard anymore is it?.

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Anonymous wrote:In other countries, international students need to pay a lot more than domestic students.

Because those governments subsidize a huge portion of the cost. The costs are usually the same, but the government doesn’t pick up the bill for foreign students.

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Trump needs to watch the movie Oppenheimer and learn how the “ father of the atomic bomb” learnt quantum physics as an international student in Europe instead of staying in America since they actually knew it. He later staffed the Manhattan projects scientist posts with Jewish refugees from Europe who worked at top US colleges.

International student programs HELP us, it ensues us access to world class knowledge and minds.

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Anonymous wrote:In other countries, international students need to pay a lot more than domestic students.

As they do here....in general at least as they are not eligible for aid.

Internationals are not eligible for need-based aid at publics and at many privates. However, several top schools indeed give a large amount of need-based aid to internationals. You can see this data in section H6 of the Common Data Set. (Harvard gives $53M per year in institutional grants to internationals)

Is this graduate or undergraduate grants to international students? Big difference.

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for all the people saying this is a good thing and it will open up spaces for American born kids...have you all checked the GOP House bill and what it does for lower, middle and upper middle class pathways to college?

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Anonymous wrote:I graduated from elite colleges and am aware the % of international students is much higher now than it was 25 years ago. I do think there is a valid argument to be made that if these schools are taking in hundreds of millions in Fed funding and even more, then they do have some obligations to prioritize American students. It wasn't an issue in 2000, so perhaps return to 2000 levels. It's all about feeling proportional and the battles around Harvard and other schools is the feeling that they are not being proportional, whether it's student demographics or campus culture.

Please define "fed funding"

This is RESEARCH GRANTS that has nothing to do with admissions or tuition aid.

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't it be a good thing if the top US schools educated and prepared more US students? Is what's happening at harvard a blessing in disguise?

Maybe the government should limit the number of international students at all top schools. Getting in and the cost of attending is just too much.

NO!
-Left leaning moderate who does not want the government dictating every decision!

Then stop grabbing our tax dollars!

Tax dollars that pay for research to cure cancer or Alzheimers. Are you pro-cancer?

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that Harvard and other US universities can do more to accept domestic students, but it should not be by force. Vote with your feet. if you think that Harvard is not serving your purpose, apply to other schools. Sooner or later, Harvard will self correct. But bullying to get what you want is not the way to go. n

I'll say this about Trump - his political instincts are uncanny. When you dig down into the issue - should taxpayers be spending billions on supporting the richest and most prestigious university in America, a university where more than a third of students are foreign and which has a well-established pattern of propagating fringe progressive beliefs, or should we take that money and support trade schools for young Americans, I can guarantee that 90 percent of Americans are with Trump on this one. I suspect's Harvard's strategy will be to keep things tied up in court forever and wait out this administration and hope for a more Harvard-friendly president who will turn the tap back on. But the way it's being framed - as a class issue - this is a losing issue for Democrats to push back on. I think Harvard and the other schools where more than a third of students are international are on their own.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree that Harvard and other US universities can do more to accept domestic students, but it should not be by force. Vote with your feet. if you think that Harvard is not serving your purpose, apply to other schools. Sooner or later, Harvard will self correct. But bullying to get what you want is not the way to go. n

Why would Harvard self-correct? They obviously don’t place any special value on Americans, so if enough Americans “vote with their feet” and go to other schools, Harvard will still have zero incentive to change. They’ll just enroll 100% foreign students.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't it be a good thing if the top US schools educated and prepared more US students? Is what's happening at harvard a blessing in disguise?

Maybe the government should limit the number of international students at all top schools. Getting in and the cost of attending is just too much.

NO!
-Left leaning moderate who does not want the government dictating every decision!

Then stop grabbing our tax dollars!

Tax dollars that pay for research to cure cancer or Alzheimers. Are you pro-cancer?

The ignorance of the PPs on here and Americans in general on how federal dollar support research that benefits everyone is depressing. Absolutely awful.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that Harvard and other US universities can do more to accept domestic students, but it should not be by force. Vote with your feet. if you think that Harvard is not serving your purpose, apply to other schools. Sooner or later, Harvard will self correct. But bullying to get what you want is not the way to go. n

I'll say this about Trump - his political instincts are uncanny. When you dig down into the issue - should taxpayers be spending billions on supporting the richest and most prestigious university in America, a university where more than a third of students are foreign and which has a well-established pattern of propagating fringe progressive beliefs, or should we take that money and support trade schools for young Americans, I can guarantee that 90 percent of Americans are with Trump on this one. I suspect's Harvard's strategy will be to keep things tied up in court forever and wait out this administration and hope for a more Harvard-friendly president who will turn the tap back on. But the way it's being framed - as a class issue - this is a losing issue for Democrats to push back on. I think Harvard and the other schools where more than a third of students are international are on their own.

Except that those dollars are supporting research. You are a sucker like everyone else. Trump takes bits of reality and twists them to suit his always negative narrative to play on our worst biases and nature. He exposes what a-holes most people are. They know he's lying, but they LIKE his lies. It's disgusting.

Enjoy the new world order of less peace, less prosperity, fewer innovations, poorer healthcare etc. You all earned it with your ignorance and pettiness. Ugh.