Harvard no longer allowed to enroll international students

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Anonymous wrote:27% of total enrollment were international students - this is absurd for an American university and hasn't gotten out of control

Thousands of students coming from across the globe to be educated in the US, spend tax dollars here, and then contribute to the US economy if they stay; or disseminate US value if they go home.

A true travesty.

Why not have American students take their spot, instead of having to go to Europe for college? Have you not seen all the top stats posts of kids not getting into T20 and going abroad? That's a true travesty as well.

Because your kid is not the best of the best. How many times do you need to be told that?

NP. No dog in this fight (my kids are very high stats but not interested in Harvard for a few reasons) but you have to admit that the lack of places at top colleges is shutting out some really talented kids these days and making it a lottery. I actually think this is a fair move by Trump to put Americans first. The places for international students should be capped at a small percentage like 2-5% that are truly the best of the best.

I'd even be fine with 10%, but that is plenty. 27% (a recent Harvard number) is completely unnecessary. Also, certain countries are known to produce many applicants who cheat on ESL and other standardized tests. So, getting the "best and brightest" is highly debatable. I teach at a less rarified university and guess who my most frequent AI cheaters are?

Agree 💯
How can other universities we forced to change their admissions models?

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This is FOR SURE getting slammed in court. It's not legal. The executive branch of the US government cannot dictate to a private institution of higher learning who it can and cannot enroll.


Do not expect more seats for your US kids, people.

Unfortunately as someone said earlier, the populist message of “foreigners”taking your jobs and stealing spots from white American kids is strong with the weak….

This is not as clever as you think. Protecting the jobs and spots of the weak is paramount in a democracy, and it used to be part of the Democratic plank. The idea that the United States will source the most clever people from all over the world has no natural limit. A clever foreigner can come for your job, too.

I am the clever foreigner that took your job….and guess what? I have been here for 25 years now, married an American, have 3 kids and have probably contributed more in Taxes to this country than most in this thread.

That's fine, and I'm happy for you. But there's a limit, and we passed it a long time ago. There is more to a nation than having smart citizens who pay a lot in taxes.

What is that?

So we should have dumb citizens who collect welfare payments? Because that is the path Trump is moving us towards.

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Anonymous wrote:Any Trump voters regretting their decision now?

You still don’t get it do you? This is exactly what we voted for.

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This is FOR SURE getting slammed in court. It's not legal. The executive branch of the US government cannot dictate to a private institution of higher learning who it can and cannot enroll.


Do not expect more seats for your US kids, people.

Unfortunately as someone said earlier, the populist message of “foreigners”taking your jobs and stealing spots from white American kids is strong with the weak….

This is not as clever as you think. Protecting the jobs and spots of the weak is paramount in a democracy, and it used to be part of the Democratic plank. The idea that the United States will source the most clever people from all over the world has no natural limit. A clever foreigner can come for your job, too.

I am the clever foreigner that took your job….and guess what? I have been here for 25 years now, married an American, have 3 kids and have probably contributed more in Taxes to this country than most in this thread.

Pp American is afraid to compete with smarter foreigners. It's like how white males want us to go back to the 50s when they didn't have to compete with minorities and women for high paying jobs.

Immigrants hold an outsized share of patents. Not getting into Harvard is not what is stopping Americans from finding great discoveries in science and medicine.

The most popular majors for Americans is business. We see on this forum how parents want their kids to go to places like Harvard so they can use the rich people network to get a job on wall st.

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Anonymous wrote:27% of total enrollment were international students - this is absurd for an American university and hasn't gotten out of control

+1

Especially given all the tax-backed federal funding they get.

Lots of kids of dictators and various foreign nepotism-babies. It’s insane.

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Real republicans know this is bad. Fake republicans think this is good.

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Honest question - why are the people so upset about this so invested?

Are you born outside the US? Are your children? Are you researchers? Employed by colleges?

Why the personal vitriol to others who disagree?

This isn’t a personal issue - unless you all have foreign-born children attending Harvard?

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Anonymous wrote:Any Trump voters regretting their decision now?

Not at all. This is what we voted for!

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Anonymous wrote:Real republicans know this is bad. Fake republicans think this is good.

Any real Republican who voted for Trump is responsible for this. He didn’t hide who he is

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Anonymous wrote:I am a Trump supporter and I think this is terrible. I want cancer research to continue. I don’t want government overreach. I want our POTUS making informed, rational decisions that help our country, not hurt it.

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Real Trump supporters know this is bad for our country. Conservatives DO NOT WANT THIS. It's the radical left coming for anyone or any institution that worked hard to get where it is trying to tear hard workers down.

How does this work? Your boy Trump is secretly complying with the wishes of the “radical left” to…. To what, exactly? How? Is there a hotline that I can call?

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This is FOR SURE getting slammed in court. It's not legal. The executive branch of the US government cannot dictate to a private institution of higher learning who it can and cannot enroll.


Do not expect more seats for your US kids, people.

Unfortunately as someone said earlier, the populist message of “foreigners”taking your jobs and stealing spots from white American kids is strong with the weak….

This is not as clever as you think. Protecting the jobs and spots of the weak is paramount in a democracy, and it used to be part of the Democratic plank. The idea that the United States will source the most clever people from all over the world has no natural limit. A clever foreigner can come for your job, too.

I am the clever foreigner that took your job….and guess what? I have been here for 25 years now, married an American, have 3 kids and have probably contributed more in Taxes to this country than most in this thread.

Cool. But did your family pay federal taxes for decades? The same taxes that fund these universities?

I’ll wait.

We’re not here to subsidize universities that prioritize foreigners.

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Anonymous wrote:27% of total enrollment were international students - this is absurd for an American university and hasn't gotten out of control

Where is Harvard’s sense of obligation to educate students from the country that has housed it for 300+ years?

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Anonymous wrote:10% makes sense to me. Some graduate programs are SO heavily international. My niece was rejected from a flagship program in her home state that is 50% international. That's not right.

Just because International students have more potential than your niece doesn't make it wrong for international students to study there. Your niece should work harder. International students shouldn't have to suffer for this.

As an American, I have no personal duty or obligation to international students. My country‘s duty and obligation is to its own citizens.

Private institutions are not ÿour country…..

And are not entitled to tax dollars

I’m MAGA and I support capitalism. The US government should shop around for research and select the best provider. No one should be restricting free trade just because of petty grievances.

If Harvard is the best option, then let free trade prevail.

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Anonymous wrote:10% makes sense to me. Some graduate programs are SO heavily international. My niece was rejected from a flagship program in her home state that is 50% international. That's not right.

Just because International students have more potential than your niece doesn't make it wrong for international students to study there. Your niece should work harder. International students shouldn't have to suffer for this.

As an American, I have no personal duty or obligation to international students. My country‘s duty and obligation is to its own citizens.

Getting the best and brightest to live and work in our country is looking out for our country. A lot our scientists are immigrants, many who came here as foreign students.

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Anonymous wrote:Honest question - why are the people so upset about this so invested?

Are you born outside the US? Are your children? Are you researchers? Employed by colleges?

Why the personal vitriol to others who disagree?

This isn’t a personal issue - unless you all have foreign-born children attending Harvard?

I’m worried this is just the beginning of Trump trying to destroy US colleges.