Harvard no longer allowed to enroll international students

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Anonymous wrote:I am a Trump supporter and I think this is terrible. I want cancer research to continue. I don’t want government overreach. I want our POTUS making informed, rational decisions that help our country, not hurt it.

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Real Trump supporters know this is bad for our country. Conservatives DO NOT WANT THIS. It's the radical left coming for anyone or any institution that worked hard to get where it is trying to tear hard workers down.

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When I said I wanted to Make America Great Again I didn’t mean get rid of cancer research and wreck the economy.

Are you regretting your support for the guy who has fallen for the charismatic brain worm?

No, Trump will reverse this and/or this is just a scare tactic. Nice try radical left loon.

He is the most stable genius, right

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Per NYT.

All of the MAGA ethnocentric losers will love this.

Real republicans, maga, conservatives know this is a huge mistake. It's dems who want this to happen. They hate excellence and wealth.

lol. How exactly have Dems made this happen?

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Anonymous wrote:27% of total enrollment were international students - this is absurd for an American university and hasn't gotten out of control

Thousands of students coming from across the globe to be educated in the US, spend tax dollars here, and then contribute to the US economy if they stay; or disseminate US value if they go home.

A true travesty.

Why not have American students take their spot, instead of having to go to Europe for college? Have you not seen all the top stats posts of kids not getting into T20 and going abroad? That's a true travesty as well.

Because your kid is not the best of the best. How many times do you need to be told that?

NP. No dog in this fight (my kids are very high stats but not interested in Harvard for a few reasons) but you have to admit that the lack of places at top colleges is shutting out some really talented kids these days and making it a lottery. I actually think this is a fair move by Trump to put Americans first. The places for international students should be capped at a small percentage like 2-5% that are truly the best of the best.

If you think a cap is needed, that should be done at the visa level, like only issue X F-1 visas per year overall. Don't just target specific colleges.

Foreign students studying in universities generally are not eligible for financial aid, so they pay full tuition, and like foreign tourists spending in the US, it counts as an export. So if we do limit it, it's going to make our trade deficits worse.

https://issues.org/international-students-us-higher-education-statistics/

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This is FOR SURE getting slammed in court. It's not legal. The executive branch of the US government cannot dictate to a private institution of higher learning who it can and cannot enroll.


Do not expect more seats for your US kids, people.

Unfortunately as someone said earlier, the populist message of “foreigners”taking your jobs and stealing spots from white American kids is strong with the weak….

This is not as clever as you think. Protecting the jobs and spots of the weak is paramount in a democracy, and it used to be part of the Democratic plank. The idea that the United States will source the most clever people from all over the world has no natural limit. A clever foreigner can come for your job, too.

I am the clever foreigner that took your job….and guess what? I have been here for 25 years now, married an American, have 3 kids and have probably contributed more in Taxes to this country than most in this thread.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:27% of total enrollment were international students - this is absurd for an American university and hasn't gotten out of control

Thousands of students coming from across the globe to be educated in the US, spend tax dollars here, and then contribute to the US economy if they stay; or disseminate US value if they go home.

A true travesty.

Why not have American students take their spot, instead of having to go to Europe for college? Have you not seen all the top stats posts of kids not getting into T20 and going abroad? That's a true travesty as well.

Because your kid is not the best of the best. How many times do you need to be told that?

NP. No dog in this fight (my kids are very high stats but not interested in Harvard for a few reasons) but you have to admit that the lack of places at top colleges is shutting out some really talented kids these days and making it a lottery. I actually think this is a fair move by Trump to put Americans first. The places for international students should be capped at a small percentage like 2-5% that are truly the best of the best.

The universities focus on rankings, tiny admit rates, super high prices created a scarcity mindset that seems to be biting them in the ass

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a Trump supporter and I think this is terrible. I want cancer research to continue. I don’t want government overreach. I want our POTUS making informed, rational decisions that help our country, not hurt it.

+1
Real Trump supporters know this is bad for our country. Conservatives DO NOT WANT THIS. It's the radical left coming for anyone or any institution that worked hard to get where it is trying to tear hard workers down.

+1

When I said I wanted to Make America Great Again I didn’t mean get rid of cancer research and wreck the economy.

Are you regretting your support for the guy who has fallen for the charismatic brain worm?

No, Trump will reverse this and/or this is just a scare tactic. Nice try radical left loon.

Lol. Trump's leadership style is chaotic, by your own admission he will reverse this, but you are calling the pp a loon?

You have no self awareness whatsoever. But then you voted for Trump.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:




This is FOR SURE getting slammed in court. It's not legal. The executive branch of the US government cannot dictate to a private institution of higher learning who it can and cannot enroll.


Do not expect more seats for your US kids, people.

Unfortunately as someone said earlier, the populist message of “foreigners”taking your jobs and stealing spots from white American kids is strong with the weak….

This is not as clever as you think. Protecting the jobs and spots of the weak is paramount in a democracy, and it used to be part of the Democratic plank. The idea that the United States will source the most clever people from all over the world has no natural limit. A clever foreigner can come for your job, too.

I am the clever foreigner that took your job….and guess what? I have been here for 25 years now, married an American, have 3 kids and have probably contributed more in Taxes to this country than most in this thread.

That's fine, and I'm happy for you. But there's a limit, and we passed it a long time ago. There is more to a nation than having smart citizens who pay a lot in taxes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:27% of total enrollment were international students - this is absurd for an American university and hasn't gotten out of control

Thousands of students coming from across the globe to be educated in the US, spend tax dollars here, and then contribute to the US economy if they stay; or disseminate US value if they go home.

A true travesty.

Why not have American students take their spot, instead of having to go to Europe for college? Have you not seen all the top stats posts of kids not getting into T20 and going abroad? That's a true travesty as well.

Because your kid is not the best of the best. How many times do you need to be told that?

NP. No dog in this fight (my kids are very high stats but not interested in Harvard for a few reasons) but you have to admit that the lack of places at top colleges is shutting out some really talented kids these days and making it a lottery. I actually think this is a fair move by Trump to put Americans first. The places for international students should be capped at a small percentage like 2-5% that are truly the best of the best.

I'd even be fine with 10%, but that is plenty. 27% (a recent Harvard number) is completely unnecessary. Also, certain countries are known to produce many applicants who cheat on ESL and other standardized tests. So, getting the "best and brightest" is highly debatable. I teach at a less rarified university and guess who my most frequent AI cheaters are?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:




This is FOR SURE getting slammed in court. It's not legal. The executive branch of the US government cannot dictate to a private institution of higher learning who it can and cannot enroll.


Do not expect more seats for your US kids, people.

Unfortunately as someone said earlier, the populist message of “foreigners”taking your jobs and stealing spots from white American kids is strong with the weak….

This is not as clever as you think. Protecting the jobs and spots of the weak is paramount in a democracy, and it used to be part of the Democratic plank. The idea that the United States will source the most clever people from all over the world has no natural limit. A clever foreigner can come for your job, too.

I am the clever foreigner that took your job….and guess what? I have been here for 25 years now, married an American, have 3 kids and have probably contributed more in Taxes to this country than most in this thread.

That's fine, and I'm happy for you. But there's a limit, and we passed it a long time ago. There is more to a nation than having smart citizens who pay a lot in taxes.

What is that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Question for the people who support this - are you ok with international students at US colleges outside the top ones?

Not if they get aid.

Harvard is a private school!!!!!!!! They can choose to educate whoever they want!!!!!

Then they don't need my tax dollars.

I agree with this. And I'm a Democrat. Harvard and many other elite schools function like corporations, so tax them accordingly. The way they suck up to wealthy donors (with the exception of some recent unforced errors), they will be fine. Redirect that money to public institutions, please.

Spoiler Alert: Trump and The Republicans are defunding public institutions too, and Trump and his cronies like Musk and DeSantis are embezzling from those public institutions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:27% of total enrollment were international students - this is absurd for an American university and hasn't gotten out of control

Thousands of students coming from across the globe to be educated in the US, spend tax dollars here, and then contribute to the US economy if they stay; or disseminate US value if they go home.

A true travesty.

Why not have American students take their spot, instead of having to go to Europe for college? Have you not seen all the top stats posts of kids not getting into T20 and going abroad? That's a true travesty as well.

Because your kid is not the best of the best. How many times do you need to be told that?

NP. No dog in this fight (my kids are very high stats but not interested in Harvard for a few reasons) but you have to admit that the lack of places at top colleges is shutting out some really talented kids these days and making it a lottery. I actually think this is a fair move by Trump to put Americans first. The places for international students should be capped at a small percentage like 2-5% that are truly the best of the best.

I'd even be fine with 10%, but that is plenty. 27% (a recent Harvard number) is completely unnecessary. Also, certain countries are known to produce many applicants who cheat on ESL and other standardized tests. So, getting the "best and brightest" is highly debatable. I teach at a less rarified university and guess who my most frequent AI cheaters are?

Doubtful you teach anywhere.

[Anonymous]

Any Trump voters regretting their decision now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Question for the people who support this - are you ok with international students at US colleges outside the top ones?

Not if they get aid.

Harvard is a private school!!!!!!!! They can choose to educate whoever they want!!!!!

Then they don't need my tax dollars.

I agree with this. And I'm a Democrat. Harvard and many other elite schools function like corporations, so tax them accordingly. The way they suck up to wealthy donors (with the exception of some recent unforced errors), they will be fine. Redirect that money to public institutions, please.

Spoiler Alert: Trump and The Republicans are defunding public institutions too, and Trump and his cronies like Musk and DeSantis are embezzling from those public institutions.

Public institutions are funded by state legislatures, but okay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:27% of total enrollment were international students - this is absurd for an American university and hasn't gotten out of control

Thousands of students coming from across the globe to be educated in the US, spend tax dollars here, and then contribute to the US economy if they stay; or disseminate US value if they go home.

A true travesty.

Why not have American students take their spot, instead of having to go to Europe for college? Have you not seen all the top stats posts of kids not getting into T20 and going abroad? That's a true travesty as well.

Because your kid is not the best of the best. How many times do you need to be told that?

NP. No dog in this fight (my kids are very high stats but not interested in Harvard for a few reasons) but you have to admit that the lack of places at top colleges is shutting out some really talented kids these days and making it a lottery. I actually think this is a fair move by Trump to put Americans first. The places for international students should be capped at a small percentage like 2-5% that are truly the best of the best.

I'd even be fine with 10%, but that is plenty. 27% (a recent Harvard number) is completely unnecessary. Also, certain countries are known to produce many applicants who cheat on ESL and other standardized tests. So, getting the "best and brightest" is highly debatable. I teach at a less rarified university and guess who my most frequent AI cheaters are?

Doubtful you teach anywhere.

+1 And if you are in a position to provide students with grades, I hope they fire you soon because you sound like a nasty bigot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Question for the people who support this - are you ok with international students at US colleges outside the top ones?

Not if they get aid.

Harvard is a private school!!!!!!!! They can choose to educate whoever they want!!!!!

Then they don't need my tax dollars.

I agree with this. And I'm a Democrat. Harvard and many other elite schools function like corporations, so tax them accordingly. The way they suck up to wealthy donors (with the exception of some recent unforced errors), they will be fine. Redirect that money to public institutions, please.

Spoiler Alert: Trump and The Republicans are defunding public institutions too, and Trump and his cronies like Musk and DeSantis are embezzling from those public institutions.

Public institutions are funded by state legislatures, but okay.

So are school districts but they still get federal money.