USNWR Top 10 Leaked

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like I have to defend my beloved Berkeley from you private school fan boys who probably can’t even find the administrations office without your counselor holding your hand. That’s why Berkeley grads run circles around you at the workplace. We’re actually taught how to survive in the real world.

Berkeley has been under-ranked for the last 30 or so years. You’re talking about US News rigging the methodology to favor publics last year? Well, what the heck did they do around 1990 when perennial top 5 Berkeley was suddenly pushed out of top 20? Even Michigan used to be consistently top 10.

Here are the facts: Berkeley has more top 10 departments than any school not named Harvard (I think we’re tied); including #1 CS, #2 engineering, #1 chemistry, #3 physics, #3 math, #1 english, #1 sociolgy, #1 english, #1 history, #3 political science, #1 psychology, and so on.

But, but, but those are grad school rankings. That’s how I know you’ve never attended a research university, otherwise you’d know the grad and undergraduate levels are intertwined; grad schools are ranked according to strength of faculty and students, and faculty also teaches the undergrads and grad students serve as TAs.

Berkeley also tied with Harvard with most Nobel prize (although I think we have more in recent memory. David card and Jennifer doudna each won one the last few years).

Our history is literally unrivaled, at least the last 100 years. From the Manhattan project, the free speech movement, contribution to tech and rise of Silicon Valley, periodic table, immunotherapy, gene editing, perhaps no institution has helped shape the country in the world more.

Times higher education calls us one of the super six universities, along with mit, Harvard, Stanford, Oxford, and Cambridge.

So, eat it. I hope Berkeley moves up even higher this year in this stupid ranking just pissed you guys off even more. Time to accept the fact that public schools are just as good, if not better, than most ivies and “elite” private schools. Your time has passed. It’s the era of the tech-heavy schools.

if this was true, every top 10 ranking would be dominated by the top engineering schools which it is not


berkeley always has been and always will be an overpriced shithole for undergrad. a 4 year graduation rate in the 70s and now completely test optional. lolz

#5 forbes
#8 WSJ
#10 Washington monthly
#5 U.S. news global
#5 ARWU
#12 QS
#9 THE

And in a couple weeks, #13 US news national. You heard it here first. Cry.

Cool - a bunch of rankings based on Berkeley grad school

Quite possibly the 6th best college in California after:

Stanford
Caltech
Pomona
Harvey Mudd
UCLA (more applications than Berkeley for a reason)

https://www.niche.com/colleges/search/best-colleges/s/california/

Or maybe worse according to the above

Thank good news I didn't have to be amongst the homeless across the bay

No, half of those are undergrad rankings, like wsj, Washington monthly, and Forbes. THE also use undergrad teaching in its formula; its goal to give international students an idea of what schools to go to internationally.

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Anonymous wrote:Chicago has to be a little nervous that this leaked ranking is true. I remember a few here thinking they'd be right back in the top 10. Maybe T14 will become a thing for undergrad too.

Chicago is going to be fine. Some schools float in and out of the top 10, and it really doesn't matter. Kids should really not be deciding where to go to college based in a ranking system that changes yearly.

If it didn't matter, they wouldn't have tried so hard to game the rankings. Like it or not, US News rankings matter to some extent.

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Anonymous wrote:Cal gets overlooked on DCUM a lot. People here seem to equate it to Michigan. On the West Coast reputation wise and in the engineering recruiting world, it is right up there with Stanford.
If you are looking for a private school that has a great tech reputation but isn't quite at the top ranking wise, take a good look a CMU. Big tech loves CMU. I frequently hear it mentioned alongside MIT and Caltech.

cal undergrad is in no way shape or form “right up there with stanford”

it has a horrible rep as berzerkeley. low yield at 44% vs stanford at 82% despite cheaper instate discount. test blind, unsafe campus, overcrowded, and poor quality of education.

no one is making that mistake.

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Anonymous wrote:To the UCal-Berkeley supporter: If "exciting environment" were a rating factor, then UCB would almost certainly be among the top few schools each year. Unfortunately, the resources at UCB are far superior for graduate students than for undergraduate students, and the undergraduate resources pale in comparison to the top 15 private universities.

What resources do you mean for undergrads? They are not spending at the same per student rates as smaller privates but scale also has advantages.

And?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like I have to defend my beloved Berkeley from you private school fan boys who probably can’t even find the administrations office without your counselor holding your hand. That’s why Berkeley grads run circles around you at the workplace. We’re actually taught how to survive in the real world.

Berkeley has been under-ranked for the last 30 or so years. You’re talking about US News rigging the methodology to favor publics last year? Well, what the heck did they do around 1990 when perennial top 5 Berkeley was suddenly pushed out of top 20? Even Michigan used to be consistently top 10.

Here are the facts: Berkeley has more top 10 departments than any school not named Harvard (I think we’re tied); including #1 CS, #2 engineering, #1 chemistry, #3 physics, #3 math, #1 english, #1 sociolgy, #1 english, #1 history, #3 political science, #1 psychology, and so on.

But, but, but those are grad school rankings. That’s how I know you’ve never attended a research university, otherwise you’d know the grad and undergraduate levels are intertwined; grad schools are ranked according to strength of faculty and students, and faculty also teaches the undergrads and grad students serve as TAs.

Berkeley also tied with Harvard with most Nobel prize (although I think we have more in recent memory. David card and Jennifer doudna each won one the last few years).

Our history is literally unrivaled, at least the last 100 years. From the Manhattan project, the free speech movement, contribution to tech and rise of Silicon Valley, periodic table, immunotherapy, gene editing, perhaps no institution has helped shape the country in the world more.

Times higher education calls us one of the super six universities, along with mit, Harvard, Stanford, Oxford, and Cambridge.

So, eat it. I hope Berkeley moves up even higher this year in this stupid ranking just pissed you guys off even more. Time to accept the fact that public schools are just as good, if not better, than most ivies and “elite” private schools. Your time has passed. It’s the era of the tech-heavy schools.

if this was true, every top 10 ranking would be dominated by the top engineering schools which it is not


berkeley always has been and always will be an overpriced shithole for undergrad. a 4 year graduation rate in the 70s and now completely test optional. lolz

#5 forbes
#8 WSJ
#10 Washington monthly
#5 U.S. news global
#5 ARWU
#12 QS
#9 THE

And in a couple weeks, #13 US news national. You heard it here first. Cry.

Cool - a bunch of rankings based on Berkeley grad school

Quite possibly the 6th best college in California after:

Stanford
Caltech
Pomona
Harvey Mudd
UCLA (more applications than Berkeley for a reason)

https://www.niche.com/colleges/search/best-colleges/s/california/

Or maybe worse according to the above

Thank good news I didn't have to be amongst the homeless across the bay

No, half of those are undergrad rankings, like wsj, Washington monthly, and Forbes. THE also use undergrad teaching in its formula; its goal to give international students an idea of what schools to go to internationally.

You cant even convince instate students to go to berkeley over ucla. good luck hyping up this “amazing” school.

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Anonymous wrote:Cal gets overlooked on DCUM a lot. People here seem to equate it to Michigan. On the West Coast reputation wise and in the engineering recruiting world, it is right up there with Stanford.
If you are looking for a private school that has a great tech reputation but isn't quite at the top ranking wise, take a good look a CMU. Big tech loves CMU. I frequently hear it mentioned alongside MIT and Caltech.

cal undergrad is in no way shape or form “right up there with stanford”

it has a horrible rep as berzerkeley. low yield at 44% vs stanford at 82% despite cheaper instate discount. test blind, unsafe campus, overcrowded, and poor quality of education.

no one is making that mistake.

I am glad DC made the mistake and I never read about Berkeley on these boards when he applied. He is a math major who got a return internship offer at a top firm next year making $85k for 12 weeks next summer. Berkeley is a much bigger school and obviously cannot compete with Stanford in terms of resources. However, my DC has had excellent math profs, research opportunities and the peer group is excellent. It is for a stufent that can seek opportunities. If you strip out ED from many ivies (except HYPMS) - the yield will not be better that high.

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Anonymous wrote:Cal gets overlooked on DCUM a lot. People here seem to equate it to Michigan. On the West Coast reputation wise and in the engineering recruiting world, it is right up there with Stanford.
If you are looking for a private school that has a great tech reputation but isn't quite at the top ranking wise, take a good look a CMU. Big tech loves CMU. I frequently hear it mentioned alongside MIT and Caltech.

cal undergrad is in no way shape or form “right up there with stanford”

it has a horrible rep as berzerkeley. low yield at 44% vs stanford at 82% despite cheaper instate discount. test blind, unsafe campus, overcrowded, and poor quality of education.

no one is making that mistake.

I am glad DC made the mistake and I never read about Berkeley on these boards when he applied. He is a math major who got a return internship offer at a top firm next year making $85k for 12 weeks next summer. Berkeley is a much bigger school and obviously cannot compete with Stanford in terms of resources. However, my DC has had excellent math profs, research opportunities and the peer group is excellent. It is for a stufent that can seek opportunities. If you strip out ED from many ivies (except HYPMS) - the yield will not be better that high.

the yield would still be significantly higher than berkeley and it is for RD

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Anonymous wrote:Cal gets overlooked on DCUM a lot. People here seem to equate it to Michigan. On the West Coast reputation wise and in the engineering recruiting world, it is right up there with Stanford.
If you are looking for a private school that has a great tech reputation but isn't quite at the top ranking wise, take a good look a CMU. Big tech loves CMU. I frequently hear it mentioned alongside MIT and Caltech.

cal undergrad is in no way shape or form “right up there with stanford”

it has a horrible rep as berzerkeley. low yield at 44% vs stanford at 82% despite cheaper instate discount. test blind, unsafe campus, overcrowded, and poor quality of education.

no one is making that mistake.

I am glad DC made the mistake and I never read about Berkeley on these boards when he applied. He is a math major who got a return internship offer at a top firm next year making $85k for 12 weeks next summer. Berkeley is a much bigger school and obviously cannot compete with Stanford in terms of resources. However, my DC has had excellent math profs, research opportunities and the peer group is excellent. It is for a stufent that can seek opportunities. If you strip out ED from many ivies (except HYPMS) - the yield will not be better that high.

Berkeley yield
In-state 48.1%
Out-of-state 29.0%
International 50.2%

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Anonymous wrote:Cal gets overlooked on DCUM a lot. People here seem to equate it to Michigan. On the West Coast reputation wise and in the engineering recruiting world, it is right up there with Stanford.
If you are looking for a private school that has a great tech reputation but isn't quite at the top ranking wise, take a good look a CMU. Big tech loves CMU. I frequently hear it mentioned alongside MIT and Caltech.

cal undergrad is in no way shape or form “right up there with stanford”

it has a horrible rep as berzerkeley. low yield at 44% vs stanford at 82% despite cheaper instate discount. test blind, unsafe campus, overcrowded, and poor quality of education.

no one is making that mistake.

You definitely sound like you already have your mind made up. No convincing you.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing is for sure, Brown was way overrated at #9 last year. Bad for many stem majors.

Disagree if we're thinking undergraduate. Brown is excellent for STEM. PLME + top notch CS and excellent math and neuroscience. Doesn’t have the grad associated research that some of the other top schools have because it is just more focused on undergraduate, which is great IMO. I have a kid there.

Their other engineering programs are extremely meh. Lots of better options for CS as well.

Sigh… you have no idea what you are talking about. Brown’s CS department is legendary, especially WRT computer graphics. Google Andy Van Dam and the founders of a little company called Pixar.

i work for google and no it’s not as respected as MIT, Princeton, Penn, Cornell, Illinois, Harvard, Michigan, Caltech, Berkeley, UCLA, amongst a slew of other schools.

You actually dont know wtf you are talking about.

That’s not what you said. You said there were “lots of better options”. Not “10”. You slagged the school without knowing it’s strong suit. If you knew what you were talking about you would have mentioned CMU before Princeton. And IMHO Brown CS is more impressive than U of I or UCLA and equal to Michigan’s.

And I have hired programmers for 30 years so your brag is not impressive to me.

i named 10 out of many many more. Brown CS is ranked 23rd for undergrad by US News, and that's generous.

No, Brown CS is not as impressive as Michigan or U of I.

Well that’s great since they are much easier admits. It’s near impossible to get into Brown now.

much easier? hardly

https://siebelschool.illinois.edu/academics/undergraduate/degree-program-options/cs-undergraduate-degree-options-faq#:~:text=CS%20is%20a%20very%20rigorous,an%20admit%20rate%20of%206.7%25.

U of I CS has a 6.7% acceptance rate. Now imagine out of state

Do U of I CS graduates make more than Brown CS graduates? I don't think so.

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I’ll just leave this here.

Number of venture-backed startup companies

1 Berkeley 1,305
2 Stanford 1,297
3 Harvard 1,086
4 University of Pennsylvania 993
5 MIT 949

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like I have to defend my beloved Berkeley from you private school fan boys who probably can’t even find the administrations office without your counselor holding your hand. That’s why Berkeley grads run circles around you at the workplace. We’re actually taught how to survive in the real world.

Berkeley has been under-ranked for the last 30 or so years. You’re talking about US News rigging the methodology to favor publics last year? Well, what the heck did they do around 1990 when perennial top 5 Berkeley was suddenly pushed out of top 20? Even Michigan used to be consistently top 10.

Here are the facts: Berkeley has more top 10 departments than any school not named Harvard (I think we’re tied); including #1 CS, #2 engineering, #1 chemistry, #3 physics, #3 math, #1 english, #1 sociolgy, #1 english, #1 history, #3 political science, #1 psychology, and so on.

But, but, but those are grad school rankings. That’s how I know you’ve never attended a research university, otherwise you’d know the grad and undergraduate levels are intertwined; grad schools are ranked according to strength of faculty and students, and faculty also teaches the undergrads and grad students serve as TAs.

Berkeley also tied with Harvard with most Nobel prize (although I think we have more in recent memory. David card and Jennifer doudna each won one the last few years).

Our history is literally unrivaled, at least the last 100 years. From the Manhattan project, the free speech movement, contribution to tech and rise of Silicon Valley, periodic table, immunotherapy, gene editing, perhaps no institution has helped shape the country in the world more.

Times higher education calls us one of the super six universities, along with mit, Harvard, Stanford, Oxford, and Cambridge.

So, eat it. I hope Berkeley moves up even higher this year in this stupid ranking just pissed you guys off even more. Time to accept the fact that public schools are just as good, if not better, than most ivies and “elite” private schools. Your time has passed. It’s the era of the tech-heavy schools.

if this was true, every top 10 ranking would be dominated by the top engineering schools which it is not


berkeley always has been and always will be an overpriced shithole for undergrad. a 4 year graduation rate in the 70s and now completely test optional. lolz

#5 forbes
#8 WSJ
#10 Washington monthly
#5 U.S. news global
#5 ARWU
#12 QS
#9 THE

And in a couple weeks, #13 US news national. You heard it here first. Cry.

Cool - a bunch of rankings based on Berkeley grad school

Quite possibly the 6th best college in California after:

Stanford
Caltech
Pomona
Harvey Mudd
UCLA (more applications than Berkeley for a reason)

https://www.niche.com/colleges/search/best-colleges/s/california/

Or maybe worse according to the above

Thank good news I didn't have to be amongst the homeless across the bay

No, half of those are undergrad rankings, like wsj, Washington monthly, and Forbes. THE also use undergrad teaching in its formula; its goal to give international students an idea of what schools to go to internationally.

You cant even convince instate students to go to berkeley over ucla. good luck hyping up this “amazing” school.

Any actual rebuttal other than emotional outbursts?

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Anonymous wrote:Cal gets overlooked on DCUM a lot. People here seem to equate it to Michigan. On the West Coast reputation wise and in the engineering recruiting world, it is right up there with Stanford.
If you are looking for a private school that has a great tech reputation but isn't quite at the top ranking wise, take a good look a CMU. Big tech loves CMU. I frequently hear it mentioned alongside MIT and Caltech.

cal undergrad is in no way shape or form “right up there with stanford”

it has a horrible rep as berzerkeley. low yield at 44% vs stanford at 82% despite cheaper instate discount. test blind, unsafe campus, overcrowded, and poor quality of education.

no one is making that mistake.

I am glad DC made the mistake and I never read about Berkeley on these boards when he applied. He is a math major who got a return internship offer at a top firm next year making $85k for 12 weeks next summer. Berkeley is a much bigger school and obviously cannot compete with Stanford in terms of resources. However, my DC has had excellent math profs, research opportunities and the peer group is excellent. It is for a stufent that can seek opportunities. If you strip out ED from many ivies (except HYPMS) - the yield will not be better that high.

Exactly. The haters keep yelling resources, resources, resources without explaining how that’s actually applied to their education.

Smaller class sizes? Explain to me how 15 kids from Philips Exeter talking about poverty in America, and who’s only experience of hardship is being dropped two blocks away from school coz daddy’s late for his executive conference, is better education than 25-30 diverse students in a Berkeley class room led by a professor in the cutting edge of his/her field.

That’s why US News did away with this silly class size metric. If they bring it back, they should do it responsibly. Smaller doesn’t necessarily mean better. In fact, it can actually stunt learning.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing is for sure, Brown was way overrated at #9 last year. Bad for many stem majors.

Disagree if we're thinking undergraduate. Brown is excellent for STEM. PLME + top notch CS and excellent math and neuroscience. Doesn’t have the grad associated research that some of the other top schools have because it is just more focused on undergraduate, which is great IMO. I have a kid there.

Their other engineering programs are extremely meh. Lots of better options for CS as well.

Sigh… you have no idea what you are talking about. Brown’s CS department is legendary, especially WRT computer graphics. Google Andy Van Dam and the founders of a little company called Pixar.

i work for google and no it’s not as respected as MIT, Princeton, Penn, Cornell, Illinois, Harvard, Michigan, Caltech, Berkeley, UCLA, amongst a slew of other schools.

You actually dont know wtf you are talking about.

That’s not what you said. You said there were “lots of better options”. Not “10”. You slagged the school without knowing it’s strong suit. If you knew what you were talking about you would have mentioned CMU before Princeton. And IMHO Brown CS is more impressive than U of I or UCLA and equal to Michigan’s.

And I have hired programmers for 30 years so your brag is not impressive to me.

i named 10 out of many many more. Brown CS is ranked 23rd for undergrad by US News, and that's generous.

No, Brown CS is not as impressive as Michigan or U of I.

Well that’s great since they are much easier admits. It’s near impossible to get into Brown now.

much easier? hardly

https://siebelschool.illinois.edu/academics/undergraduate/degree-program-options/cs-undergraduate-degree-options-faq#:~:text=CS%20is%20a%20very%20rigorous,an%20admit%20rate%20of%206.7%25.

U of I CS has a 6.7% acceptance rate. Now imagine out of state

Do U of I CS graduates make more than Brown CS graduates? I don't think so.

Stop moving the goal post

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll just leave this here.

Number of venture-backed startup companies

1 Berkeley 1,305
2 Stanford 1,297
3 Harvard 1,086
4 University of Pennsylvania 993
5 MIT 949

If you adjust for size and look at startups per 1000 students of enrollment...

Per 1000 s
Berkeley 29
Stanford 74
Harvard 50
Upenn 42
MIT 80