If things get worse for Jewish people

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Anonymous wrote:I bet these hate filled New Yorkers, turned Israeli squatters, have come back to study in US colleges.

That was eye opening. And disturbing. I’m sure it was selective in that plenty of Israelis have different view, but still, ugh.

Yes most Israelis don’t think that way. It’s a selective video.

The girl in the Mickey Mouse t-shirt certainly knows that such views are hateful and shouldn't expressed. She tried to get her friend to stop the racist remarks against Arabs; at one point, she said, with a grimace, I don't know how to translate that; the second time, she said, no comment, and we will discuss that later, to her friend.

They all shared a naivety about their situation. Real pain and suffering are going on on the other side, daily. Yet, all is Shangri La in their little bubbles, typical youthful self-centeredness and black-and-white thinking, I suppose, but how exactly and why would any sane adult, let alone two, choose to move to Isreal to raise children in that environment?

You do realize that left-wing and centrist Israelis exist, no?

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Anonymous wrote:I bet these hate filled New Yorkers, turned Israeli squatters, have come back to study in US colleges.

That was eye opening. And disturbing. I’m sure it was selective in that plenty of Israelis have different view, but still, ugh.

Yes most Israelis don’t think that way. It’s a selective video.

The girl in the Mickey Mouse t-shirt certainly knows that such views are hateful and shouldn't expressed. She tried to get her friend to stop the racist remarks against Arabs; at one point, she said, with a grimace, I don't know how to translate that; the second time, she said, no comment, and we will discuss that later, to her friend.

They all shared a naivety about their situation. Real pain and suffering are going on on the other side, daily. Yet, all is Shangri La in their little bubbles, typical youthful self-centeredness and black-and-white thinking, I suppose, but how exactly and why would any sane adult, let alone two, choose to move to Isreal to raise children in that environment?

It's weird that you think that people living in the middle east are naive about living in the middle east.

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Anonymous wrote:I bet these hate filled New Yorkers, turned Israeli squatters, have come back to study in US colleges.

#IsraelSoWhite

Not a Black person in sight!

Really gets the old noggin joggin’.

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Anonymous wrote:I bet these hate filled New Yorkers, turned Israeli squatters, have come back to study in US colleges.

#IsraelSoWhite

Not a Black person in sight!

Really gets the old noggin joggin’.

What do you mean?

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The best thing for Jewish people is for the IDF to dismantle Hamas in Gaza. Many antisemites would slink away after that.

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Has anyone had this thought. If this is really what the younger generation is like would Jewish people even have support in the US in two to three generation. Easy to scoff at these college students but they are technically the leaders of tomorrow.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone had this thought. If this is really what the younger generation is like would Jewish people even have support in the US in two to three generation. Easy to scoff at these college students but they are technically the leaders of tomorrow.

So you’re saying the leaders of tomorrow with embrace antisemitism?

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone had this thought. If this is really what the younger generation is like would Jewish people even have support in the US in two to three generation. Easy to scoff at these college students but they are technically the leaders of tomorrow.

I'm a millennial who is pro-Palestine and not particularly supportive of the Israeli government (certainly not this one) and absolutely think the United States should dial back its political and financial support to the state of Israel. And I will vote for it, to the extent that I have a choice (not in 2024, obviously).

I'm not sure what your comment means. I have no problem with Jewish people as a whole, and to the extent that anyone is antisemitic or Jewish people are victims of hate speech/crimes, I totally condemn that and believe that should be prosecuted. I don't think advocating for the withdrawal of U.S. support to the state of Israel, as a consistent part of U.S. foreign policy, is baseline antisemitic. Perhaps some people advocate that for antisemitic reasons, but I just think it is bad foreign policy.

If you conflate those two things, than we have a fundamental disagreement on worldview. That's not my issue to solve.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone had this thought. If this is really what the younger generation is like would Jewish people even have support in the US in two to three generation. Easy to scoff at these college students but they are technically the leaders of tomorrow.

I'm a millennial who is pro-Palestine and not particularly supportive of the Israeli government (certainly not this one) and absolutely think the United States should dial back its political and financial support to the state of Israel. And I will vote for it, to the extent that I have a choice (not in 2024, obviously).

I'm not sure what your comment means. I have no problem with Jewish people as a whole, and to the extent that anyone is antisemitic or Jewish people are victims of hate speech/crimes, I totally condemn that and believe that should be prosecuted. I don't think advocating for the withdrawal of U.S. support to the state of Israel, as a consistent part of U.S. foreign policy, is baseline antisemitic. Perhaps some people advocate that for antisemitic reasons, but I just think it is bad foreign policy.

If you conflate those two things, than we have a fundamental disagreement on worldview. That's not my issue to solve.

As long as you understand what withdrawing US support for Israel means — namely, a regional war in the Middle East that Israel would probably lose and which would likely lead to the deaths of millions of Israeli Jews, among many many others.

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Anonymous wrote:Non-Jew suburban dad in Southern California, very critical of just about every action taken by the State of Israel.

That said, I wouldn’t hesitate even a moment to stand against anyone in my community threatening or preparing to take physical action against any group, absolutely including Jews in the community. How is this even a question? We are all humans first and foremost, and nobody is deserving of being terrorized by others, Palestinians, Jews, and everyone in between.

+1

I support Jews in my community and the country. I don’t want to see Jews targeted.

Israel is a different question. Let’s all make sure people feel safe right here in America.

great but you can’t claim to be a friend of the Jews and also think that it’s OK to destroy Israel.

I am not sure what you mean. I am not going to promise to get a rifle and defend Israel personally like Bill Clinton did. Anyway, I am sorry you are hurting and I am sorry for what you are going through.

We need to figure out how to fix what is going on on our college campuses and in some of our cities.

It’s pretty clear how to fix it. Universities need to expel any student from another country here on a Visa participating in these protests. American citizens need to be told they will be expelled if they have any language/signs threatening Jews and/or supporting Hamas.

You don’t think that will confuse the students here learning about the constitution? The one that explicitly prohibits the government from restricting political speech?

Restricting political speech is very much prohibited when it comes to the 1st amendment.
Celebrating terrorism and supporting terrorism is not prohibited.

Exactly. I am not a Rubio fan, but I gotta say I agree with him here. It makes me angry that people have come to the US to benefit from the opportunities offered here, yet hate us and our values and actively cheer against us and our allies. And if you don’t think that’s going on you are in serious denial. I see it on the college campus where I work. They are here to extract whatever benefit they can without any respect for what this country stands for.

So, “othering” of Jews is a problem but it is perfectly fine to throw other minorities in that bucket and incite average Americans to rage war against them? Israelis are not here to extract benefits? I have not come across a country that has extracted more benefits from American taxpayers than Israelis.

+1. The myopia of some of the posters here is really astounding.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone had this thought. If this is really what the younger generation is like would Jewish people even have support in the US in two to three generation. Easy to scoff at these college students but they are technically the leaders of tomorrow.

So you’re saying the leaders of tomorrow with embrace antisemitism?

Yes. And they already have judging from college campuses.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone had this thought. If this is really what the younger generation is like would Jewish people even have support in the US in two to three generation. Easy to scoff at these college students but they are technically the leaders of tomorrow.

So you’re saying the leaders of tomorrow with embrace antisemitism?

it is NOT antisemitism to be against israel

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Move near us Evangelical Christians. We care about you and believe in western civilization. We will defend western civilization and many of us are armed and will train you to be able to defend yourself with dignity. Nobody knows how they are going to die in the end but at the very least we never want to go down in the humiliating fashion of those poor Jewish kids at the rave or loaded helplessly onto rail cars headed for the ovens. Powerful gun rights cause problems for the enemies of western civilization and freedom.

WTH is this? Western civilization?

Is it okay for hate groups to target Arabs?

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone had this thought. If this is really what the younger generation is like would Jewish people even have support in the US in two to three generation. Easy to scoff at these college students but they are technically the leaders of tomorrow.

I'm a millennial who is pro-Palestine and not particularly supportive of the Israeli government (certainly not this one) and absolutely think the United States should dial back its political and financial support to the state of Israel. And I will vote for it, to the extent that I have a choice (not in 2024, obviously).

I'm not sure what your comment means. I have no problem with Jewish people as a whole, and to the extent that anyone is antisemitic or Jewish people are victims of hate speech/crimes, I totally condemn that and believe that should be prosecuted. I don't think advocating for the withdrawal of U.S. support to the state of Israel, as a consistent part of U.S. foreign policy, is baseline antisemitic. Perhaps some people advocate that for antisemitic reasons, but I just think it is bad foreign policy.

If you conflate those two things, than we have a fundamental disagreement on worldview. That's not my issue to solve.

Surely you understand that stateless nations are problematic for everyone. Look at the Kurds. They are a nation that has no official state. This has caused them to be attacked, famously with chemical weapons. They are also attackers, historically using terrorism for political violence. Right now, Israelis have a state. And, they have agreed to allow the state of Palestine to operate independently on land that officially belongs to Israel. Israel even foots the bill for all utilities that Palestine uses.

Why isn't this enough? Surely you understand that kicking Israelis out and leaving them stateless would harm all involved. Palestine has practically no governance and Israel has to take care of the people in Palestine. If we say, okay, let's kick out all the Jews and cede all of Israel to a terrorist organization, how do you think that will turn out? And what we would do about the nuclear bombs that Israel has? Turn that over to hamas, too? The so-called pro Palestine movement will be a bit like the dog that caught the car. This is not an outcome that will help actual Palestinians.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone had this thought. If this is really what the younger generation is like would Jewish people even have support in the US in two to three generation. Easy to scoff at these college students but they are technically the leaders of tomorrow.

I'm a millennial who is pro-Palestine and not particularly supportive of the Israeli government (certainly not this one) and absolutely think the United States should dial back its political and financial support to the state of Israel. And I will vote for it, to the extent that I have a choice (not in 2024, obviously).

I'm not sure what your comment means. I have no problem with Jewish people as a whole, and to the extent that anyone is antisemitic or Jewish people are victims of hate speech/crimes, I totally condemn that and believe that should be prosecuted. I don't think advocating for the withdrawal of U.S. support to the state of Israel, as a consistent part of U.S. foreign policy, is baseline antisemitic. Perhaps some people advocate that for antisemitic reasons, but I just think it is bad foreign policy.

If you conflate those two things, than we have a fundamental disagreement on worldview. That's not my issue to solve.

As long as you understand what withdrawing US support for Israel means — namely, a regional war in the Middle East that Israel would probably lose and which would likely lead to the deaths of millions of Israeli Jews, among many many others.

Honestly, Israel is not a particularly good actor in the region or a good neighbor either. I agree with many posters here that it is an apartheid state. Loss of unconditional U.S. support would force them to change their behavior to some extent, which I view as a good outcome. I take the point that some of its ME neighbors hate the state of Israel for religious/antisemitic reasons, and that even good-faith efforts at diplomacy can yield limited results. If Israel actually is pulled into the sort of unavoidable war that you describe, through no fault of its own, then I would support providing aid (in the manner in which we are providing aid to Ukraine), and I think many Western governments would do the same.

But IMO the current policy of the USG that we provide unlimited/unconditional diplomatic cover, military aid, and massive financial assistance is insane. I hope demographic change leads to huge changes in that policy over the next decade. Like I said, I will certainly vote for it.