Thomas Jefferson High School drops to 5th in latest US News ranking

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The minority group, which significantly contributed to the school's excellence for decades, saw its number strength unjustly diminished by a lottery-based admission process devoid of merit. Is it any surprise that this school's trajectory appears to be following a path of de-excellence?

“The data was from before Thomas Jefferson High School implemented changes to how it admitted students into the highly selective school.”

Repeat quoting the selective lines from the lefty article which conveniently ignores the significant impact of admission changes and resulting talent suppression

Lefties deliberately ignore the impacts of the admissions changes. Look at the methodology.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

Sure, let's just ignore the fact that Asian American students with stronger merit credentials were denied admission. No racial manipulation of outcomes going on here.

Ain't that the truth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The minority group, which significantly contributed to the school's excellence for decades, saw its number strength unjustly diminished by a lottery-based admission process devoid of merit. Is it any surprise that this school's trajectory appears to be following a path of de-excellence?

“The data was from before Thomas Jefferson High School implemented changes to how it admitted students into the highly selective school.”

Repeat quoting the selective lines from the lefty article which conveniently ignores the significant impact of admission changes and resulting talent suppression

Lefties deliberately ignore the impacts of the admissions changes. Look at the methodology.

"Lefties"? You sound smart.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The minority group, which significantly contributed to the school's excellence for decades, saw its number strength unjustly diminished by a lottery-based admission process devoid of merit. Is it any surprise that this school's trajectory appears to be following a path of de-excellence?

“The data was from before Thomas Jefferson High School implemented changes to how it admitted students into the highly selective school.”

Repeat quoting the selective lines from the lefty article which conveniently ignores the significant impact of admission changes and resulting talent suppression

Lefties deliberately ignore the impacts of the admissions changes. Look at the methodology.

By all means… look… at… the… methodology.

And keep dismissing reasonable centrists and moderates as “lefties” and watch how that works out for you at the ballot box.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]"The data U.S. News used to rank Virginia schools was assessment data from 2018 to 2019 and 2020 to 2021"

But I'm sure we'll still find a way to blame the new admissions process [/quote]

What happened in 2019-2020? Exams cancelled for COVID?

I'd be more interested in seeing data from those years separately. [/quote]

It is OK for the # to go a bit down if it reduces the overall stress (homework, rigor, grading etc.) in the school. This was the theme of new CEO and reflects in the data taken from the first graduating class after new CEO policies (not the new admission process).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What really happened? How much of this is FCPS' own doing?

https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/thomas-jefferson-high-school-drops-to-5th-in-latest-us-news-ranking/article_b4ce2886-4692-11ee-a98b-4b0dbcb840c2.html

Mostly brought on by admitting all those test buyers a few years back. Hopefully the stronger students they're selecting now will bring the school back up in the rankings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The minority group, which significantly contributed to the school's excellence for decades, saw its number strength unjustly diminished by a lottery-based admission process devoid of merit. Is it any surprise that this school's trajectory appears to be following a path of de-excellence?

“The data was from before Thomas Jefferson High School implemented changes to how it admitted students into the highly selective school.”

Repeat quoting the selective lines from the lefty article which conveniently ignores the significant impact of admission changes and resulting talent suppression

Lefties deliberately ignore the impacts of the admissions changes. Look at the methodology.

I know! That old methodology where wealthy students could purchase an advanced test copy was so much better.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If Asians are the majority and TJ is falling, I would think the Asians are to blame.

Particularly since this fall in rankings was before the admissions change.

Not necessary, the bottom 20% could do much worse than before to lower the average.

Just give you two examples to digest:

1-95
2-95
3-95
4-95
5-80

Average = 92

1-100
2-100
3-100
4-100
5-50

Average = 90

Main takeaway: The lower 20% can drag down the average even the top 80% perform better in the second case.

That's not what happens according to one of the posted links.
Instead, if the 50 is black. then this would still be better than the black average, and thus the 50 is boosting Tj's score. Also, instead of going to 100s, those Asian scores would be lower as they are not selecting the top Asians as well. These kids' scored would be lower than their Asian peers. On the other hand previously some Asians got in because of prep so their scores would not be in the second group.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Class of 2026 was the first TJ class in 35 years to be majority-female. Generally speaking, classes have been 55-60% male.

Is giving Asian girls a fair shot a bad thing?

This is what I would expect from a process that prioritizes essay writing.

Why? Do you think boys can't write?

Yes. The gap narrows in high school, particularly among top students.
In middle school there is a huge gap. It would be even more if it is a written essay rather than typed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Class of 2026 was the first TJ class in 35 years to be majority-female. Generally speaking, classes have been 55-60% male.

This confirms that the essays are greater weight now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What really happened? How much of this is FCPS' own doing?

https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/thomas-jefferson-high-school-drops-to-5th-in-latest-us-news-ranking/article_b4ce2886-4692-11ee-a98b-4b0dbcb840c2.html

Once the admissions process was corrupted by all the prep centers making average kids appear gifted it was just a matter of time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What really happened? How much of this is FCPS' own doing?

https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/thomas-jefferson-high-school-drops-to-5th-in-latest-us-news-ranking/article_b4ce2886-4692-11ee-a98b-4b0dbcb840c2.html

Once the admissions process was corrupted by all the prep centers making average kids appear gifted it was just a matter of time.

Not just prep centers, middle school teachers and parents were corrupting students by enabling them learn advanced math, science, and English. With merit criteria replaced by a farcical essay, a tacit insertion of ethnicity is the ticket to get in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What really happened? How much of this is FCPS' own doing?

https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/thomas-jefferson-high-school-drops-to-5th-in-latest-us-news-ranking/article_b4ce2886-4692-11ee-a98b-4b0dbcb840c2.html

Once the admissions process was corrupted by all the prep centers making average kids appear gifted it was just a matter of time.

Not just prep centers, middle school teachers and parents were corrupting students by enabling them learn advanced math, science, and English. With merit criteria replaced by a farcical essay, a tacit insertion of ethnicity is the ticket to get in.

Agreed. The prep is shifting to creative writing classes and TJ farcical essay prep, aka the art of sounding good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What really happened? How much of this is FCPS' own doing?

https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/thomas-jefferson-high-school-drops-to-5th-in-latest-us-news-ranking/article_b4ce2886-4692-11ee-a98b-4b0dbcb840c2.html

Once the admissions process was corrupted by all the prep centers making average kids appear gifted it was just a matter of time.

Not just prep centers, middle school teachers and parents were corrupting students by enabling them learn advanced math, science, and English. With merit criteria replaced by a farcical essay, a tacit insertion of ethnicity is the ticket to get in.

Agreed. The prep is shifting to creative writing classes and TJ farcical essay prep, aka the art of sounding good.

The difference is that they genuinely don’t know what the evaluators are looking for, so prepping for it is somewhat of an opaque exercise.

Much more difficult than just teaching kids how to do problems on an exam that measures how you deal with problems you’ve never seen before.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What really happened? How much of this is FCPS' own doing?

https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/thomas-jefferson-high-school-drops-to-5th-in-latest-us-news-ranking/article_b4ce2886-4692-11ee-a98b-4b0dbcb840c2.html

Once the admissions process was corrupted by all the prep centers making average kids appear gifted it was just a matter of time.

Not just prep centers, middle school teachers and parents were corrupting students by enabling them learn advanced math, science, and English. With merit criteria replaced by a farcical essay, a tacit insertion of ethnicity is the ticket to get in.

Sorry to bust your bubble but TJ was/is ranked in the top 1-3 for the most of the past 20 years. First time TJ went down so significantly in the past 20 years.