Thomas Jefferson High School drops to 5th in latest US News ranking

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Anonymous wrote:Amazingly, so many people in this forum believe discrimination and war on meritocracy are good for our country.

It’s not discrimination.

Not race based and Asians have the highest number and rate of admission.

It is discrimination. You can not based on race to reject applicants, regardless of the situation.

Not discrimination.

Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

It is wrong. The race-based admission process is unethical.

Chief Justice John Roberts wrote: "Many universities have for too long wrongly concluded that the touchstone of an individual's identity is not challenges bested, skills built, or lessons learned, but the color of their skin."

It wis not race-based.

And Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

No discrimination.

Stop just paste and copy

Stop posting lies.

You are a pathetic liar, panhandler

Sorry, the truth can be a bitter pill to swallow.

The current admissions process is NOT race-based.

And Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

No discrimination.

Why is anyone so fixated on Asian Student number if not with a racial bias? Does the all black high school basketball or all white ice hockey team bother anyone aside from those with racist views?

There was a concentrated ant-asian american effort that has taken place behind the scenes, to bring down average number for asian americans admitted per year for decades. Without a deliberate and covert endeavor targeting this specific race, how else could have the Asian american students admissions gone down abruptly in one year when the number of Asian American student applications has stayed consistently at or above 60% of total?

This is false. The population of Asian-American students at TJ dropped with the Class of 2025 for a similar reason to why the male student population at UVA decreased in 1971. The prior admissions process excluded a certain group, and as a result (but not as an intended cause) the dominant majority group reduced in size.

Incoming classes used to hover around approximately 70% Asian (80% when you include multi-racial students, most of whom were at least half Asian). They also used to hover around 1% students from disadvantaged economic backgrounds. The group of Asian students was increasingly dominated by South Asians, who are by some distance the wealthiest demographic in Northern Virginia. Meanwhile, Black and Hispanic students are among the least wealthy demographics.

Opening up admission to TJ to students and families with lesser means - it was de facto closed to them before - is a noble goal no matter what anyone says. That's one of those things where if you disagree with it, you're not someone to be taken seriously.

You have absolutely no evidence to suggest that a goal of the admissions changes was to reduce the number or proportion of Asian students. You just don't. What some people have is a few text messages and e-mails among School Board members who were concerned with the public perception of an admissions process proposal that they voted down, and criticism of the messaging being done by a Superintendent who has since resigned.

There is no aspect of the TJ education that has been compromised by the admission of a slightly different mix of the group of qualified students that has always existed for selection. And again, you have zero evidence to the contrary.

Can you show us some proof? Rather than mumbling around the issue.

Proof of what? If someone is claiming that something is happening - the educational quality is being compromised somehow - the burden of proof is on them. It is illogical to attempt to prove a negative.

Okay, I understand. Only you can put out statistics from your ass.

What statistic is troubling you?

All the numbers you mentioned. Do you have references for them? Did you just make them up?

DP. Lots of admissions data here if you aren't familiar with it:
https://fcag.org/tjstatistics.shtml

Let us know if you need help analyzing it. We've done this extensively on earlier threads.

Asian % reduced from 73% (Class of 2024) to 54% (Class of 2025) seems suspicious. There must be serious social-engineering by the admission process or the admission staff.
Unless you believe the Asian kids just suddenly lost interest in studying.
You also mentioned, "There is no aspect of the TJ education that has been compromised"
I disagree. The fact that they still teach geometry in 9th grade is hilarious for a gifted STEM school.

There were fluctuations before this. From class of 2021 to 2022 there was a drop from 75% to 65% of admitted Asian students.

Plenty of gifted STEM kids take geometry in 9th.

That can't be "plenty". Stop lying to cover up some of the incoming 9th graders who need help with Math.

Being accelerated in math isn't "getting help".

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Anonymous wrote:If Asians are the majority and TJ is falling, I would think the Asians are to blame.

Particularly since this fall in rankings was before the admissions change.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

Sure, let's just ignore the fact that Asian American students with stronger merit credentials were denied admission. No racial manipulation of outcomes going on here.

I guess the school board members are not Asians. No equality there.

Rachna Sizemore Heiser (South Asian American) and Abrar Omeish (West Asian American) would disagree. And they represent the entire county as At-Large members.

I have never heard of West Asian American being used to describe Arabs. Did you make that up? Genuinely curious.

That shows how good our school education is.

I'm also pretty certain I am not the one with the weak education. First, the Middle East is, very generally speaking, a region in Southwest Asia *and* part of North Africa - so it's not clearly only in Asia.
Second, I am virtually certain Omeish does not consider herself to be Asian considering she found some humor with the whole TJ admissions changes feeling racist against asians. Remember, the whole reason the whole TJ litigation got so far was because of bad docs - including her written comment: “I mean there has been an anti asian feel underlying some of this, hate to say it lol.” She absolutely would not have LOLed about anti muslim feelings.

https://sports.yahoo.com/school-board-member-says-anti-223355907.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANFmXMklk1lRGT2dTBKAnADmiiCKPMdvOmBBcawCvokAjKhXDr3-eSFdTRU8ADnxWxaYVFSfpPzRme_7GBssT-LSBKjDVrNVe4VM95kSx1hhujgzGzIOnIbIMgO6bOWU-KFZwgGE3nigodQcUQ-8d9seVFz3iurp0-wAZRTM8W9v

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Anonymous wrote:Justice Roberts wrote: "Harvard's admissions process rests on the pernicious stereotype that 'a black student can usually bring something that a white person cannot offer.'"

How does diversity help in a STEM school likes TJ? I think it is irrelevant.
Do students from different races see Navier-Stokes equations differently?

Unique perspectives and ideas help w/problem solving.

Look at how many design flaws resulted from only utilizing white, male engineers.

Please explain how race/gender prevents engineering failures.

One example:

https://www.businessinsider.com/in-every-reported-false-arrests-based-on-facial-recognition-that-person-has-been-black-2023-8?amp

That only means facial recognition is not perfect. How does adding more black engineers would help in this case? Please be specific. Not just throwing out some big words, like collective thinking from different backgrounds.

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Anonymous wrote:Justice Roberts wrote: "Harvard's admissions process rests on the pernicious stereotype that 'a black student can usually bring something that a white person cannot offer.'"

How does diversity help in a STEM school likes TJ? I think it is irrelevant.
Do students from different races see Navier-Stokes equations differently?

Unique perspectives and ideas help w/problem solving.

Look at how many design flaws resulted from only utilizing white, male engineers.

Please explain how race/gender prevents engineering failures.

One example:

https://www.businessinsider.com/in-every-reported-false-arrests-based-on-facial-recognition-that-person-has-been-black-2023-8?amp

That only means facial recognition is not perfect. How does adding more black engineers would help in this case? Please be specific. Not just throwing out some big words, like collective thinking from different backgrounds.

Is that a serious question?

I notice you skipped over these:

https://ecorner.stanford.edu/articles/ignoring-diversity-hurts-tech-products-and-ventures/

https://www.userinterviews.com/blog/design-failure-examples-caused-by-bias-noninclusive-ux-research

https://digitalcommons.fiu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1002&context=succeed

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

Sure, let's just ignore the fact that Asian American students with stronger merit credentials were denied admission. No racial manipulation of outcomes going on here.

I guess the school board members are not Asians. No equality there.

Rachna Sizemore Heiser (South Asian American) and Abrar Omeish (West Asian American) would disagree. And they represent the entire county as At-Large members.

I have never heard of West Asian American being used to describe Arabs. Did you make that up? Genuinely curious.

That shows how good our school education is.

I'm also pretty certain I am not the one with the weak education. First, the Middle East is, very generally speaking, a region in Southwest Asia *and* part of North Africa - so it's not clearly only in Asia.
Second, I am virtually certain Omeish does not consider herself to be Asian considering she found some humor with the whole TJ admissions changes feeling racist against asians. Remember, the whole reason the whole TJ litigation got so far was because of bad docs - including her written comment: “I mean there has been an anti asian feel underlying some of this, hate to say it lol.” She absolutely would not have LOLed about anti muslim feelings.

https://sports.yahoo.com/school-board-member-says-anti-223355907.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANFmXMklk1lRGT2dTBKAnADmiiCKPMdvOmBBcawCvokAjKhXDr3-eSFdTRU8ADnxWxaYVFSfpPzRme_7GBssT-LSBKjDVrNVe4VM95kSx1hhujgzGzIOnIbIMgO6bOWU-KFZwgGE3nigodQcUQ-8d9seVFz3iurp0-wAZRTM8W9v

Thanks for posting the link.
More people should know how badly the school board is treating Asian students.
If this happened to black students, it would be all over national TV networks.
I think Asians in general are too quiet to speak out and tolerate unjust BS like these.
We should be more vocal about all the discrimination against Asians.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

Sure, let's just ignore the fact that Asian American students with stronger merit credentials were denied admission. No racial manipulation of outcomes going on here.

I guess the school board members are not Asians. No equality there.

Rachna Sizemore Heiser (South Asian American) and Abrar Omeish (West Asian American) would disagree. And they represent the entire county as At-Large members.

I have never heard of West Asian American being used to describe Arabs. Did you make that up? Genuinely curious.

That shows how good our school education is.

I'm also pretty certain I am not the one with the weak education. First, the Middle East is, very generally speaking, a region in Southwest Asia *and* part of North Africa - so it's not clearly only in Asia.
Second, I am virtually certain Omeish does not consider herself to be Asian considering she found some humor with the whole TJ admissions changes feeling racist against asians. Remember, the whole reason the whole TJ litigation got so far was because of bad docs - including her written comment: “I mean there has been an anti asian feel underlying some of this, hate to say it lol.” She absolutely would not have LOLed about anti muslim feelings.

https://sports.yahoo.com/school-board-member-says-anti-223355907.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANFmXMklk1lRGT2dTBKAnADmiiCKPMdvOmBBcawCvokAjKhXDr3-eSFdTRU8ADnxWxaYVFSfpPzRme_7GBssT-LSBKjDVrNVe4VM95kSx1hhujgzGzIOnIbIMgO6bOWU-KFZwgGE3nigodQcUQ-8d9seVFz3iurp0-wAZRTM8W9v

Thanks for posting the link.
More people should know how badly the school board is treating Asian students.
If this happened to black students, it would be all over national TV networks.
I think Asians in general are too quiet to speak out and tolerate unjust BS like these.
We should be more vocal about all the discrimination against Asians.

Take note at what the Asians did in SF. I'm with you, too!

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

Sure, let's just ignore the fact that Asian American students with stronger merit credentials were denied admission. No racial manipulation of outcomes going on here.

I guess the school board members are not Asians. No equality there.

Rachna Sizemore Heiser (South Asian American) and Abrar Omeish (West Asian American) would disagree. And they represent the entire county as At-Large members.

I have never heard of West Asian American being used to describe Arabs. Did you make that up? Genuinely curious.

That shows how good our school education is.

I'm also pretty certain I am not the one with the weak education. First, the Middle East is, very generally speaking, a region in Southwest Asia *and* part of North Africa - so it's not clearly only in Asia.
Second, I am virtually certain Omeish does not consider herself to be Asian considering she found some humor with the whole TJ admissions changes feeling racist against asians. Remember, the whole reason the whole TJ litigation got so far was because of bad docs - including her written comment: “I mean there has been an anti asian feel underlying some of this, hate to say it lol.” She absolutely would not have LOLed about anti muslim feelings.

https://sports.yahoo.com/school-board-member-says-anti-223355907.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANFmXMklk1lRGT2dTBKAnADmiiCKPMdvOmBBcawCvokAjKhXDr3-eSFdTRU8ADnxWxaYVFSfpPzRme_7GBssT-LSBKjDVrNVe4VM95kSx1hhujgzGzIOnIbIMgO6bOWU-KFZwgGE3nigodQcUQ-8d9seVFz3iurp0-wAZRTM8W9v

Thanks for posting the link.
More people should know how badly the school board is treating Asian students.
If this happened to black students, it would be all over national TV networks.
I think Asians in general are too quiet to speak out and tolerate unjust BS like these.
We should be more vocal about all the discrimination against Asians.

Take note at what the Asians did in SF. I'm with you, too!

Link if you need it:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/17/us/san-francisco-school-board-parents.html

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Anonymous wrote:Justice Roberts wrote: "Harvard's admissions process rests on the pernicious stereotype that 'a black student can usually bring something that a white person cannot offer.'"

How does diversity help in a STEM school likes TJ? I think it is irrelevant.
Do students from different races see Navier-Stokes equations differently?

Unique perspectives and ideas help w/problem solving.

Look at how many design flaws resulted from only utilizing white, male engineers.

Please explain how race/gender prevents engineering failures.

One example:

https://www.businessinsider.com/in-every-reported-false-arrests-based-on-facial-recognition-that-person-has-been-black-2023-8?amp

That only means facial recognition is not perfect. How does adding more black engineers would help in this case? Please be specific. Not just throwing out some big words, like collective thinking from different backgrounds.

Is that a serious question?

I notice you skipped over these:

https://ecorner.stanford.edu/articles/ignoring-diversity-hurts-tech-products-and-ventures/

https://www.userinterviews.com/blog/design-failure-examples-caused-by-bias-noninclusive-ux-research

https://digitalcommons.fiu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1002&context=succeed

I agree that R&D should take more inputs/data from black, brown, and yellow people. Speaking of that, most surveys and studies exclude Asians.
That doesn't mean the engineers must be black or Asian or any race to guarantee success.
Again, I'm not against having Black scientists/engineers in a research team. I just don't see race/gender matters in the STEM field. The knowledge and experience matter most.
On the other hand, I can see racial representation in politics is very important.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Justice Roberts wrote: "Harvard's admissions process rests on the pernicious stereotype that 'a black student can usually bring something that a white person cannot offer.'"

How does diversity help in a STEM school likes TJ? I think it is irrelevant.
Do students from different races see Navier-Stokes equations differently?

Unique perspectives and ideas help w/problem solving.

Look at how many design flaws resulted from only utilizing white, male engineers.

Please explain how race/gender prevents engineering failures.

One example:

https://www.businessinsider.com/in-every-reported-false-arrests-based-on-facial-recognition-that-person-has-been-black-2023-8?amp

That only means facial recognition is not perfect. How does adding more black engineers would help in this case? Please be specific. Not just throwing out some big words, like collective thinking from different backgrounds.

Is that a serious question?

I notice you skipped over these:

https://ecorner.stanford.edu/articles/ignoring-diversity-hurts-tech-products-and-ventures/

https://www.userinterviews.com/blog/design-failure-examples-caused-by-bias-noninclusive-ux-research

https://digitalcommons.fiu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1002&context=succeed

I agree that R&D should take more inputs/data from black, brown, and yellow people. Speaking of that, most surveys and studies exclude Asians.
That doesn't mean the engineers must be black or Asian or any race to guarantee success.
Again, I'm not against having Black scientists/engineers in a research team. I just don't see race/gender matters in the STEM field. The knowledge and experience matter most.
On the other hand, I can see racial representation in politics is very important.

Not only in STEM, but race/gender does not and should not matter in Sports, Entertainment, and other fields. A 76% majority black NBA league should be celebrated. A 95% white National Hockey League should be celebrated. However, political recruits have a problem celebrating 71% Asian American representation at a STEM school!

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Anonymous wrote:Justice Roberts wrote: "Harvard's admissions process rests on the pernicious stereotype that 'a black student can usually bring something that a white person cannot offer.'"

How does diversity help in a STEM school likes TJ? I think it is irrelevant.
Do students from different races see Navier-Stokes equations differently?

Unique perspectives and ideas help w/problem solving.

Look at how many design flaws resulted from only utilizing white, male engineers.

Please explain how race/gender prevents engineering failures.

One example:

https://www.businessinsider.com/in-every-reported-false-arrests-based-on-facial-recognition-that-person-has-been-black-2023-8?amp

That only means facial recognition is not perfect. How does adding more black engineers would help in this case? Please be specific. Not just throwing out some big words, like collective thinking from different backgrounds.

Is that a serious question?

I notice you skipped over these:

https://ecorner.stanford.edu/articles/ignoring-diversity-hurts-tech-products-and-ventures/

https://www.userinterviews.com/blog/design-failure-examples-caused-by-bias-noninclusive-ux-research

https://digitalcommons.fiu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1002&context=succeed

I agree that R&D should take more inputs/data from black, brown, and yellow people. Speaking of that, most surveys and studies exclude Asians.
That doesn't mean the engineers must be black or Asian or any race to guarantee success.
Again, I'm not against having Black scientists/engineers in a research team. I just don't see race/gender matters in the STEM field. The knowledge and experience matter most.
On the other hand, I can see racial representation in politics is very important.

Not only in STEM, but race/gender does not and should not matter in Sports, Entertainment, and other fields. A 76% majority black NBA league should be celebrated. A 95% white National Hockey League should be celebrated. However, political recruits have a problem celebrating 71% Asian American representation at a STEM school!

100% agree.
Judging everything by race divided our country.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazingly, so many people in this forum believe discrimination and war on meritocracy are good for our country.

It’s not discrimination.

Not race based and Asians have the highest number and rate of admission.

It is discrimination. You can not based on race to reject applicants, regardless of the situation.

Not discrimination.

Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

It is wrong. The race-based admission process is unethical.

Chief Justice John Roberts wrote: "Many universities have for too long wrongly concluded that the touchstone of an individual's identity is not challenges bested, skills built, or lessons learned, but the color of their skin."

It wis not race-based.

And Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

No discrimination.

Stop just paste and copy

Stop posting lies.

You are a pathetic liar, panhandler

Sorry, the truth can be a bitter pill to swallow.

The current admissions process is NOT race-based.

And Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

No discrimination.

Why is anyone so fixated on Asian Student number if not with a racial bias? Does the all black high school basketball or all white ice hockey team bother anyone aside from those with racist views?

There was a concentrated ant-asian american effort that has taken place behind the scenes, to bring down average number for asian americans admitted per year for decades. Without a deliberate and covert endeavor targeting this specific race, how else could have the Asian american students admissions gone down abruptly in one year when the number of Asian American student applications has stayed consistently at or above 60% of total?

This is false. The population of Asian-American students at TJ dropped with the Class of 2025 for a similar reason to why the male student population at UVA decreased in 1971. The prior admissions process excluded a certain group, and as a result (but not as an intended cause) the dominant majority group reduced in size.

Incoming classes used to hover around approximately 70% Asian (80% when you include multi-racial students, most of whom were at least half Asian). They also used to hover around 1% students from disadvantaged economic backgrounds. The group of Asian students was increasingly dominated by South Asians, who are by some distance the wealthiest demographic in Northern Virginia. Meanwhile, Black and Hispanic students are among the least wealthy demographics.

Opening up admission to TJ to students and families with lesser means - it was de facto closed to them before - is a noble goal no matter what anyone says. That's one of those things where if you disagree with it, you're not someone to be taken seriously.

You have absolutely no evidence to suggest that a goal of the admissions changes was to reduce the number or proportion of Asian students. You just don't. What some people have is a few text messages and e-mails among School Board members who were concerned with the public perception of an admissions process proposal that they voted down, and criticism of the messaging being done by a Superintendent who has since resigned.

There is no aspect of the TJ education that has been compromised by the admission of a slightly different mix of the group of qualified students that has always existed for selection. And again, you have zero evidence to the contrary.

Can you show us some proof? Rather than mumbling around the issue.

Proof of what? If someone is claiming that something is happening - the educational quality is being compromised somehow - the burden of proof is on them. It is illogical to attempt to prove a negative.

Okay, I understand. Only you can put out statistics from your ass.

What statistic is troubling you?

All the numbers you mentioned. Do you have references for them? Did you just make them up?

DP. Lots of admissions data here if you aren't familiar with it:
https://fcag.org/tjstatistics.shtml

Let us know if you need help analyzing it. We've done this extensively on earlier threads.

Asian % reduced from 73% (Class of 2024) to 54% (Class of 2025) seems suspicious. There must be serious social-engineering by the admission process or the admission staff.
Unless you believe the Asian kids just suddenly lost interest in studying.
You also mentioned, "There is no aspect of the TJ education that has been compromised"
I disagree. The fact that they still teach geometry in 9th grade is hilarious for a gifted STEM school.

There were fluctuations before this. From class of 2021 to 2022 there was a drop from 75% to 65% of admitted Asian students.

Plenty of gifted STEM kids take geometry in 9th.

That can't be "plenty". Stop lying to cover up some of the incoming 9th graders who need help with Math.

Being accelerated in math isn't "getting help".

Studying geometry in 9th grade is not accelerated at all.
Stop pretending all the kids are geniuses. It is not helping the kids.
Knowing your strengths and weaknesses is one important step for success.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazingly, so many people in this forum believe discrimination and war on meritocracy are good for our country.

It’s not discrimination.

Not race based and Asians have the highest number and rate of admission.

It is discrimination. You can not based on race to reject applicants, regardless of the situation.

Not discrimination.

Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

It is wrong. The race-based admission process is unethical.

Chief Justice John Roberts wrote: "Many universities have for too long wrongly concluded that the touchstone of an individual's identity is not challenges bested, skills built, or lessons learned, but the color of their skin."

It wis not race-based.

And Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

No discrimination.

Stop just paste and copy

Stop posting lies.

You are a pathetic liar, panhandler

Sorry, the truth can be a bitter pill to swallow.

The current admissions process is NOT race-based.

And Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

No discrimination.

Why is anyone so fixated on Asian Student number if not with a racial bias? Does the all black high school basketball or all white ice hockey team bother anyone aside from those with racist views?

There was a concentrated ant-asian american effort that has taken place behind the scenes, to bring down average number for asian americans admitted per year for decades. Without a deliberate and covert endeavor targeting this specific race, how else could have the Asian american students admissions gone down abruptly in one year when the number of Asian American student applications has stayed consistently at or above 60% of total?

This is false. The population of Asian-American students at TJ dropped with the Class of 2025 for a similar reason to why the male student population at UVA decreased in 1971. The prior admissions process excluded a certain group, and as a result (but not as an intended cause) the dominant majority group reduced in size.

Incoming classes used to hover around approximately 70% Asian (80% when you include multi-racial students, most of whom were at least half Asian). They also used to hover around 1% students from disadvantaged economic backgrounds. The group of Asian students was increasingly dominated by South Asians, who are by some distance the wealthiest demographic in Northern Virginia. Meanwhile, Black and Hispanic students are among the least wealthy demographics.

Opening up admission to TJ to students and families with lesser means - it was de facto closed to them before - is a noble goal no matter what anyone says. That's one of those things where if you disagree with it, you're not someone to be taken seriously.

You have absolutely no evidence to suggest that a goal of the admissions changes was to reduce the number or proportion of Asian students. You just don't. What some people have is a few text messages and e-mails among School Board members who were concerned with the public perception of an admissions process proposal that they voted down, and criticism of the messaging being done by a Superintendent who has since resigned.

There is no aspect of the TJ education that has been compromised by the admission of a slightly different mix of the group of qualified students that has always existed for selection. And again, you have zero evidence to the contrary.

Can you show us some proof? Rather than mumbling around the issue.

Proof of what? If someone is claiming that something is happening - the educational quality is being compromised somehow - the burden of proof is on them. It is illogical to attempt to prove a negative.

Okay, I understand. Only you can put out statistics from your ass.

What statistic is troubling you?

All the numbers you mentioned. Do you have references for them? Did you just make them up?

DP. Lots of admissions data here if you aren't familiar with it:
https://fcag.org/tjstatistics.shtml

Let us know if you need help analyzing it. We've done this extensively on earlier threads.

Asian % reduced from 73% (Class of 2024) to 54% (Class of 2025) seems suspicious. There must be serious social-engineering by the admission process or the admission staff.
Unless you believe the Asian kids just suddenly lost interest in studying.
You also mentioned, "There is no aspect of the TJ education that has been compromised"
I disagree. The fact that they still teach geometry in 9th grade is hilarious for a gifted STEM school.

There were fluctuations before this. From class of 2021 to 2022 there was a drop from 75% to 65% of admitted Asian students.

Plenty of gifted STEM kids take geometry in 9th.

Fun fact - that big dip happened the last time the admissions process changed to introduce a new suite of exams that the TJ prep complex hadn’t seen yet!

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Anonymous wrote:If Asians are the majority and TJ is falling, I would think the Asians are to blame.

Particularly since this fall in rankings was before the admissions change.

Not necessary, the bottom 20% could do much worse than before to lower the average.

Just give you two examples to digest:

1-95
2-95
3-95
4-95
5-80

Average = 92

1-100
2-100
3-100
4-100
5-50

Average = 90

Main takeaway: The lower 20% can drag down the average even the top 80% perform better in the second case.

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Anonymous wrote:Justice Roberts wrote: "Harvard's admissions process rests on the pernicious stereotype that 'a black student can usually bring something that a white person cannot offer.'"

How does diversity help in a STEM school likes TJ? I think it is irrelevant.
Do students from different races see Navier-Stokes equations differently?

Unique perspectives and ideas help w/problem solving.

Look at how many design flaws resulted from only utilizing white, male engineers.

Please explain how race/gender prevents engineering failures.

One example:

https://www.businessinsider.com/in-every-reported-false-arrests-based-on-facial-recognition-that-person-has-been-black-2023-8?amp

That only means facial recognition is not perfect. How does adding more black engineers would help in this case? Please be specific. Not just throwing out some big words, like collective thinking from different backgrounds.

Is that a serious question?

I notice you skipped over these:

https://ecorner.stanford.edu/articles/ignoring-diversity-hurts-tech-products-and-ventures/

https://www.userinterviews.com/blog/design-failure-examples-caused-by-bias-noninclusive-ux-research

https://digitalcommons.fiu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1002&context=succeed

I agree that R&D should take more inputs/data from black, brown, and yellow people. Speaking of that, most surveys and studies exclude Asians.
That doesn't mean the engineers must be black or Asian or any race to guarantee success.
Again, I'm not against having Black scientists/engineers in a research team. I just don't see race/gender matters in the STEM field. The knowledge and experience matter most.
On the other hand, I can see racial representation in politics is very important.

So you didn’t even bother to read the links?

As long as politicians take input/data from other groups, why do we need anything other than white, male politicians?

“ Since its formal organization in the 19th century, engineering has been predominantly white, male, straight, middle-class, and western-centric. This exclusion was formalized through educational pathways and professional societies through the 20th century. In the late 20th century, Civil Rights and Women’s Rights movements paved the way for the moral imperative and progress for diversity in professions like engineering. Nevertheless in the 21st century, trends for demographic shifts in engineering have stalled in the United States.

This exclusion of other groups from engineering has meant that engineering solutions are often designed with a bias towards the same exclusive demographics as the engineers themselves.”