Take off a week in school year to go to disney

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Anonymous wrote:Couldn't stand to read the whole thread but wanted to make sure this point was clear - by pulling your kids out of school you are making it harder for the teacher to do their job and impacting the education of the other children. As a teacher, I am already overworked with the normal issues. I don't mind working extra to accommodate sick children or those with legitimate reasons to miss class. But, those of you who just pull them out to go to Disney???! It takes time and effort to catch the child up. Which takes away from my teaching the other children. And yes, they get behind. Sigh. Don't be selfish. Keep your kids in school. Especially those of you who want the good teachers to stay!

Sorry it doesnt actually take long to catch a second grader up for missing 1 week of school

And you want the teacher to do that, on top of everything else?

I’m not asking the ES teacher for makeup work. My kids are above grade level. If your administration is making you accommodate, then it’s part of your job (even if you don’t like it) and should fight that fight elsewhere.

It’s lame to pretend there’s this huge loss of learning for a few days ES. You’re taking it way too personally if you think my pulling my kids out for a few days is disrespectful to your profession. My husband is French and he and his siblings got pulled out for a week every year to visit family and gasp - they would go to Disney Paris. I guarantee he got more out of that trip than a week of ES.

I am the teacher who had admin add to my job (against policy) and I am not the PP. There appear to be several people commenting who are against vacations during the school year.

The school has rules, including an attendance policy. These exist for the benefit of the entire school community, including your children. Apparently these rules are beneath you. Fine. Just don’t come to DCUM expecting people to support your decisions. And don’t expect us to find respect and support when you add to our workloads. Accept this is how we feel and take your trip to Disney.

There are plenty of people in this thread also arguing that it’s not a big deal.

Yep, there’s an attendance policy. Kids miss school for illness or bereavement days all the time. There’s no magic wand that makes Disney days worse than a sick day from a learning perspective. You just feel morally superior for some twisted reason - probably because you’ve conditioned yourself that your way is the best and everyone else is doing it wrong. Again, my kids don’t miss school for grandparent visits or sick days or sports or anything else, so taking a few days in ES for Disney over the course of a year is truly not an issue.

Respect? Support? Again, take it up with admin or find a different job if you don’t like what yours entails. Teaching is not a life sentence.

It’s about absences for solid, legitimate reasons (illness, bereavement) versus illegitimate reasons (vacations that can be rescheduled).

It’s also about following policies and teaching children that they aren’t above society’s rules, even ones you don’t like.

It’s about forcing extra work on hardworking people, simply so you can avoid the minor inconvenience of lines at an amusement park.

Do I feel morally superior? Not really. I’m pretty solid in my belief system and don’t feel the need to compare myself to others. But when your choices impact me, like this does as a teacher, I do get annoyed.

Your admin is forcing additional work on you. “Excused absences” is just an arbitrary line in the sand. At least with a planned vacation, you can work around the syllabus versus an excuse, d but unexpected absence, like a sudden death in the family.

Your attempts to justify away policies you don’t like by calling them “arbitrary” isn’t convincing. Expecting students to attend school just makes sense. The policy isn’t arbitrary; it’s in the best interest of the community - including your child.

You don’t care. Fine. Just stop these attempts to get us to agree with you.

I think the teacher with a stick up her behind about having to do her job should stop posting in this thread because it’s not going to change anyone’s mind.

You’re not going to change minds, either. Only one side is backed up by school policy.

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Anonymous wrote:Couldn't stand to read the whole thread but wanted to make sure this point was clear - by pulling your kids out of school you are making it harder for the teacher to do their job and impacting the education of the other children. As a teacher, I am already overworked with the normal issues. I don't mind working extra to accommodate sick children or those with legitimate reasons to miss class. But, those of you who just pull them out to go to Disney???! It takes time and effort to catch the child up. Which takes away from my teaching the other children. And yes, they get behind. Sigh. Don't be selfish. Keep your kids in school. Especially those of you who want the good teachers to stay!

Sorry it doesnt actually take long to catch a second grader up for missing 1 week of school

And you want the teacher to do that, on top of everything else?

I’m not asking the ES teacher for makeup work. My kids are above grade level. If your administration is making you accommodate, then it’s part of your job (even if you don’t like it) and should fight that fight elsewhere.

It’s lame to pretend there’s this huge loss of learning for a few days ES. You’re taking it way too personally if you think my pulling my kids out for a few days is disrespectful to your profession. My husband is French and he and his siblings got pulled out for a week every year to visit family and gasp - they would go to Disney Paris. I guarantee he got more out of that trip than a week of ES.

I am the teacher who had admin add to my job (against policy) and I am not the PP. There appear to be several people commenting who are against vacations during the school year.

The school has rules, including an attendance policy. These exist for the benefit of the entire school community, including your children. Apparently these rules are beneath you. Fine. Just don’t come to DCUM expecting people to support your decisions. And don’t expect us to find respect and support when you add to our workloads. Accept this is how we feel and take your trip to Disney.

There are plenty of people in this thread also arguing that it’s not a big deal.

Yep, there’s an attendance policy. Kids miss school for illness or bereavement days all the time. There’s no magic wand that makes Disney days worse than a sick day from a learning perspective. You just feel morally superior for some twisted reason - probably because you’ve conditioned yourself that your way is the best and everyone else is doing it wrong. Again, my kids don’t miss school for grandparent visits or sick days or sports or anything else, so taking a few days in ES for Disney over the course of a year is truly not an issue.

Respect? Support? Again, take it up with admin or find a different job if you don’t like what yours entails. Teaching is not a life sentence.

Someone doesn’t understand excuses vs unexcused absences. Teachers don’t mind giving makeup work for excused absences. It’s accommodating your Disney trip that’s the problem.

I’m not asking for make up work for my kids, so you don’t have a leg to stand on.

Let’s say your child receives a zero on a major assessment because of an unexcused absence. Will you fight it, or accept that as a consequence?

If they're in elementary school I could care less whether they got a 0

What a horrible message to send your kid. They fail and you say “oh well!”

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Anonymous wrote:Couldn't stand to read the whole thread but wanted to make sure this point was clear - by pulling your kids out of school you are making it harder for the teacher to do their job and impacting the education of the other children. As a teacher, I am already overworked with the normal issues. I don't mind working extra to accommodate sick children or those with legitimate reasons to miss class. But, those of you who just pull them out to go to Disney???! It takes time and effort to catch the child up. Which takes away from my teaching the other children. And yes, they get behind. Sigh. Don't be selfish. Keep your kids in school. Especially those of you who want the good teachers to stay!

Sorry it doesnt actually take long to catch a second grader up for missing 1 week of school

And you want the teacher to do that, on top of everything else?

I’m not asking the ES teacher for makeup work. My kids are above grade level. If your administration is making you accommodate, then it’s part of your job (even if you don’t like it) and should fight that fight elsewhere.

It’s lame to pretend there’s this huge loss of learning for a few days ES. You’re taking it way too personally if you think my pulling my kids out for a few days is disrespectful to your profession. My husband is French and he and his siblings got pulled out for a week every year to visit family and gasp - they would go to Disney Paris. I guarantee he got more out of that trip than a week of ES.

I am the teacher who had admin add to my job (against policy) and I am not the PP. There appear to be several people commenting who are against vacations during the school year.

The school has rules, including an attendance policy. These exist for the benefit of the entire school community, including your children. Apparently these rules are beneath you. Fine. Just don’t come to DCUM expecting people to support your decisions. And don’t expect us to find respect and support when you add to our workloads. Accept this is how we feel and take your trip to Disney.

There are plenty of people in this thread also arguing that it’s not a big deal.

Yep, there’s an attendance policy. Kids miss school for illness or bereavement days all the time. There’s no magic wand that makes Disney days worse than a sick day from a learning perspective. You just feel morally superior for some twisted reason - probably because you’ve conditioned yourself that your way is the best and everyone else is doing it wrong. Again, my kids don’t miss school for grandparent visits or sick days or sports or anything else, so taking a few days in ES for Disney over the course of a year is truly not an issue.

Respect? Support? Again, take it up with admin or find a different job if you don’t like what yours entails. Teaching is not a life sentence.

It’s about absences for solid, legitimate reasons (illness, bereavement) versus illegitimate reasons (vacations that can be rescheduled).

It’s also about following policies and teaching children that they aren’t above society’s rules, even ones you don’t like.

It’s about forcing extra work on hardworking people, simply so you can avoid the minor inconvenience of lines at an amusement park.

Do I feel morally superior? Not really. I’m pretty solid in my belief system and don’t feel the need to compare myself to others. But when your choices impact me, like this does as a teacher, I do get annoyed.

Your admin is forcing additional work on you. “Excused absences” is just an arbitrary line in the sand. At least with a planned vacation, you can work around the syllabus versus an excuse, d but unexpected absence, like a sudden death in the family.

Your attempts to justify away policies you don’t like by calling them “arbitrary” isn’t convincing. Expecting students to attend school just makes sense. The policy isn’t arbitrary; it’s in the best interest of the community - including your child.

You don’t care. Fine. Just stop these attempts to get us to agree with you.

I think the teacher with a stick up her behind about having to do her job should stop posting in this thread because it’s not going to change anyone’s mind.

Accommodating kids whose parents pull them out for a vacation isn’t part of the job description.

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Anonymous wrote:Couldn't stand to read the whole thread but wanted to make sure this point was clear - by pulling your kids out of school you are making it harder for the teacher to do their job and impacting the education of the other children. As a teacher, I am already overworked with the normal issues. I don't mind working extra to accommodate sick children or those with legitimate reasons to miss class. But, those of you who just pull them out to go to Disney???! It takes time and effort to catch the child up. Which takes away from my teaching the other children. And yes, they get behind. Sigh. Don't be selfish. Keep your kids in school. Especially those of you who want the good teachers to stay!

Sorry it doesnt actually take long to catch a second grader up for missing 1 week of school

And you want the teacher to do that, on top of everything else?

I’m not asking the ES teacher for makeup work. My kids are above grade level. If your administration is making you accommodate, then it’s part of your job (even if you don’t like it) and should fight that fight elsewhere.

It’s lame to pretend there’s this huge loss of learning for a few days ES. You’re taking it way too personally if you think my pulling my kids out for a few days is disrespectful to your profession. My husband is French and he and his siblings got pulled out for a week every year to visit family and gasp - they would go to Disney Paris. I guarantee he got more out of that trip than a week of ES.

I am the teacher who had admin add to my job (against policy) and I am not the PP. There appear to be several people commenting who are against vacations during the school year.

The school has rules, including an attendance policy. These exist for the benefit of the entire school community, including your children. Apparently these rules are beneath you. Fine. Just don’t come to DCUM expecting people to support your decisions. And don’t expect us to find respect and support when you add to our workloads. Accept this is how we feel and take your trip to Disney.

There are plenty of people in this thread also arguing that it’s not a big deal.

Yep, there’s an attendance policy. Kids miss school for illness or bereavement days all the time. There’s no magic wand that makes Disney days worse than a sick day from a learning perspective. You just feel morally superior for some twisted reason - probably because you’ve conditioned yourself that your way is the best and everyone else is doing it wrong. Again, my kids don’t miss school for grandparent visits or sick days or sports or anything else, so taking a few days in ES for Disney over the course of a year is truly not an issue.

Respect? Support? Again, take it up with admin or find a different job if you don’t like what yours entails. Teaching is not a life sentence.

It’s about absences for solid, legitimate reasons (illness, bereavement) versus illegitimate reasons (vacations that can be rescheduled).

It’s also about following policies and teaching children that they aren’t above society’s rules, even ones you don’t like.

It’s about forcing extra work on hardworking people, simply so you can avoid the minor inconvenience of lines at an amusement park.

Do I feel morally superior? Not really. I’m pretty solid in my belief system and don’t feel the need to compare myself to others. But when your choices impact me, like this does as a teacher, I do get annoyed.

Your admin is forcing additional work on you. “Excused absences” is just an arbitrary line in the sand. At least with a planned vacation, you can work around the syllabus versus an excuse, d but unexpected absence, like a sudden death in the family.

Your attempts to justify away policies you don’t like by calling them “arbitrary” isn’t convincing. Expecting students to attend school just makes sense. The policy isn’t arbitrary; it’s in the best interest of the community - including your child.

You don’t care. Fine. Just stop these attempts to get us to agree with you.

I think the teacher with a stick up her behind about having to do her job should stop posting in this thread because it’s not going to change anyone’s mind.

You’re not going to change minds, either. Only one side is backed up by school policy.

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Supporting your unexcused absences is NOT my job. I actually got torn apart earlier on this thread for helping a child whose parents decided to take him out of school for a week. I was told I shouldn’t go out of my way to help a student with unexcused absences, remember?

Now I’m being told that’s my job? Clearly not, as evidenced by this thread itself.

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Anonymous wrote:Couldn't stand to read the whole thread but wanted to make sure this point was clear - by pulling your kids out of school you are making it harder for the teacher to do their job and impacting the education of the other children. As a teacher, I am already overworked with the normal issues. I don't mind working extra to accommodate sick children or those with legitimate reasons to miss class. But, those of you who just pull them out to go to Disney???! It takes time and effort to catch the child up. Which takes away from my teaching the other children. And yes, they get behind. Sigh. Don't be selfish. Keep your kids in school. Especially those of you who want the good teachers to stay!

Sorry it doesnt actually take long to catch a second grader up for missing 1 week of school

And you want the teacher to do that, on top of everything else?

I’m not asking the ES teacher for makeup work. My kids are above grade level. If your administration is making you accommodate, then it’s part of your job (even if you don’t like it) and should fight that fight elsewhere.

It’s lame to pretend there’s this huge loss of learning for a few days ES. You’re taking it way too personally if you think my pulling my kids out for a few days is disrespectful to your profession. My husband is French and he and his siblings got pulled out for a week every year to visit family and gasp - they would go to Disney Paris. I guarantee he got more out of that trip than a week of ES.

I am the teacher who had admin add to my job (against policy) and I am not the PP. There appear to be several people commenting who are against vacations during the school year.

The school has rules, including an attendance policy. These exist for the benefit of the entire school community, including your children. Apparently these rules are beneath you. Fine. Just don’t come to DCUM expecting people to support your decisions. And don’t expect us to find respect and support when you add to our workloads. Accept this is how we feel and take your trip to Disney.

There are plenty of people in this thread also arguing that it’s not a big deal.

Yep, there’s an attendance policy. Kids miss school for illness or bereavement days all the time. There’s no magic wand that makes Disney days worse than a sick day from a learning perspective. You just feel morally superior for some twisted reason - probably because you’ve conditioned yourself that your way is the best and everyone else is doing it wrong. Again, my kids don’t miss school for grandparent visits or sick days or sports or anything else, so taking a few days in ES for Disney over the course of a year is truly not an issue.

Respect? Support? Again, take it up with admin or find a different job if you don’t like what yours entails. Teaching is not a life sentence.

Someone doesn’t understand excuses vs unexcused absences. Teachers don’t mind giving makeup work for excused absences. It’s accommodating your Disney trip that’s the problem.

I’m not asking for make up work for my kids, so you don’t have a leg to stand on.

Let’s say your child receives a zero on a major assessment because of an unexcused absence. Will you fight it, or accept that as a consequence?

If they're in elementary school I could care less whether they got a 0

What a horrible message to send your kid. They fail and you say “oh well!”

Shrug. My kid's going to be happier than yours.

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Anonymous wrote:Couldn't stand to read the whole thread but wanted to make sure this point was clear - by pulling your kids out of school you are making it harder for the teacher to do their job and impacting the education of the other children. As a teacher, I am already overworked with the normal issues. I don't mind working extra to accommodate sick children or those with legitimate reasons to miss class. But, those of you who just pull them out to go to Disney???! It takes time and effort to catch the child up. Which takes away from my teaching the other children. And yes, they get behind. Sigh. Don't be selfish. Keep your kids in school. Especially those of you who want the good teachers to stay!

Sorry it doesnt actually take long to catch a second grader up for missing 1 week of school

And you want the teacher to do that, on top of everything else?

I’m not asking the ES teacher for makeup work. My kids are above grade level. If your administration is making you accommodate, then it’s part of your job (even if you don’t like it) and should fight that fight elsewhere.

It’s lame to pretend there’s this huge loss of learning for a few days ES. You’re taking it way too personally if you think my pulling my kids out for a few days is disrespectful to your profession. My husband is French and he and his siblings got pulled out for a week every year to visit family and gasp - they would go to Disney Paris. I guarantee he got more out of that trip than a week of ES.

I am the teacher who had admin add to my job (against policy) and I am not the PP. There appear to be several people commenting who are against vacations during the school year.

The school has rules, including an attendance policy. These exist for the benefit of the entire school community, including your children. Apparently these rules are beneath you. Fine. Just don’t come to DCUM expecting people to support your decisions. And don’t expect us to find respect and support when you add to our workloads. Accept this is how we feel and take your trip to Disney.

There are plenty of people in this thread also arguing that it’s not a big deal.

Yep, there’s an attendance policy. Kids miss school for illness or bereavement days all the time. There’s no magic wand that makes Disney days worse than a sick day from a learning perspective. You just feel morally superior for some twisted reason - probably because you’ve conditioned yourself that your way is the best and everyone else is doing it wrong. Again, my kids don’t miss school for grandparent visits or sick days or sports or anything else, so taking a few days in ES for Disney over the course of a year is truly not an issue.

Respect? Support? Again, take it up with admin or find a different job if you don’t like what yours entails. Teaching is not a life sentence.

It’s about absences for solid, legitimate reasons (illness, bereavement) versus illegitimate reasons (vacations that can be rescheduled).

It’s also about following policies and teaching children that they aren’t above society’s rules, even ones you don’t like.

It’s about forcing extra work on hardworking people, simply so you can avoid the minor inconvenience of lines at an amusement park.

Do I feel morally superior? Not really. I’m pretty solid in my belief system and don’t feel the need to compare myself to others. But when your choices impact me, like this does as a teacher, I do get annoyed.

Your admin is forcing additional work on you. “Excused absences” is just an arbitrary line in the sand. At least with a planned vacation, you can work around the syllabus versus an excuse, d but unexpected absence, like a sudden death in the family.

Your attempts to justify away policies you don’t like by calling them “arbitrary” isn’t convincing. Expecting students to attend school just makes sense. The policy isn’t arbitrary; it’s in the best interest of the community - including your child.

You don’t care. Fine. Just stop these attempts to get us to agree with you.

I think the teacher with a stick up her behind about having to do her job should stop posting in this thread because it’s not going to change anyone’s mind.

Accommodating kids whose parents pull them out for a vacation isn’t part of the job description.

Didn’t you just bellyache a few posts up that your admin makes you provide the makeup work? Sure sounds like your job - one funded by the taxpayers - to me.

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Anonymous wrote:Couldn't stand to read the whole thread but wanted to make sure this point was clear - by pulling your kids out of school you are making it harder for the teacher to do their job and impacting the education of the other children. As a teacher, I am already overworked with the normal issues. I don't mind working extra to accommodate sick children or those with legitimate reasons to miss class. But, those of you who just pull them out to go to Disney???! It takes time and effort to catch the child up. Which takes away from my teaching the other children. And yes, they get behind. Sigh. Don't be selfish. Keep your kids in school. Especially those of you who want the good teachers to stay!

Sorry it doesnt actually take long to catch a second grader up for missing 1 week of school

And you want the teacher to do that, on top of everything else?

I’m not asking the ES teacher for makeup work. My kids are above grade level. If your administration is making you accommodate, then it’s part of your job (even if you don’t like it) and should fight that fight elsewhere.

It’s lame to pretend there’s this huge loss of learning for a few days ES. You’re taking it way too personally if you think my pulling my kids out for a few days is disrespectful to your profession. My husband is French and he and his siblings got pulled out for a week every year to visit family and gasp - they would go to Disney Paris. I guarantee he got more out of that trip than a week of ES.

I am the teacher who had admin add to my job (against policy) and I am not the PP. There appear to be several people commenting who are against vacations during the school year.

The school has rules, including an attendance policy. These exist for the benefit of the entire school community, including your children. Apparently these rules are beneath you. Fine. Just don’t come to DCUM expecting people to support your decisions. And don’t expect us to find respect and support when you add to our workloads. Accept this is how we feel and take your trip to Disney.

There are plenty of people in this thread also arguing that it’s not a big deal.

Yep, there’s an attendance policy. Kids miss school for illness or bereavement days all the time. There’s no magic wand that makes Disney days worse than a sick day from a learning perspective. You just feel morally superior for some twisted reason - probably because you’ve conditioned yourself that your way is the best and everyone else is doing it wrong. Again, my kids don’t miss school for grandparent visits or sick days or sports or anything else, so taking a few days in ES for Disney over the course of a year is truly not an issue.

Respect? Support? Again, take it up with admin or find a different job if you don’t like what yours entails. Teaching is not a life sentence.

Someone doesn’t understand excuses vs unexcused absences. Teachers don’t mind giving makeup work for excused absences. It’s accommodating your Disney trip that’s the problem.

I’m not asking for make up work for my kids, so you don’t have a leg to stand on.

Let’s say your child receives a zero on a major assessment because of an unexcused absence. Will you fight it, or accept that as a consequence?

If they're in elementary school I could care less whether they got a 0

What a horrible message to send your kid. They fail and you say “oh well!”

Shrug. My kid's going to be happier than yours.

Shrug. My kid has gone on more vacations than yours, guarantee you.

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Anonymous wrote:Couldn't stand to read the whole thread but wanted to make sure this point was clear - by pulling your kids out of school you are making it harder for the teacher to do their job and impacting the education of the other children. As a teacher, I am already overworked with the normal issues. I don't mind working extra to accommodate sick children or those with legitimate reasons to miss class. But, those of you who just pull them out to go to Disney???! It takes time and effort to catch the child up. Which takes away from my teaching the other children. And yes, they get behind. Sigh. Don't be selfish. Keep your kids in school. Especially those of you who want the good teachers to stay!

Sorry it doesnt actually take long to catch a second grader up for missing 1 week of school

And you want the teacher to do that, on top of everything else?

I’m not asking the ES teacher for makeup work. My kids are above grade level. If your administration is making you accommodate, then it’s part of your job (even if you don’t like it) and should fight that fight elsewhere.

It’s lame to pretend there’s this huge loss of learning for a few days ES. You’re taking it way too personally if you think my pulling my kids out for a few days is disrespectful to your profession. My husband is French and he and his siblings got pulled out for a week every year to visit family and gasp - they would go to Disney Paris. I guarantee he got more out of that trip than a week of ES.

I am the teacher who had admin add to my job (against policy) and I am not the PP. There appear to be several people commenting who are against vacations during the school year.

The school has rules, including an attendance policy. These exist for the benefit of the entire school community, including your children. Apparently these rules are beneath you. Fine. Just don’t come to DCUM expecting people to support your decisions. And don’t expect us to find respect and support when you add to our workloads. Accept this is how we feel and take your trip to Disney.

There are plenty of people in this thread also arguing that it’s not a big deal.

Yep, there’s an attendance policy. Kids miss school for illness or bereavement days all the time. There’s no magic wand that makes Disney days worse than a sick day from a learning perspective. You just feel morally superior for some twisted reason - probably because you’ve conditioned yourself that your way is the best and everyone else is doing it wrong. Again, my kids don’t miss school for grandparent visits or sick days or sports or anything else, so taking a few days in ES for Disney over the course of a year is truly not an issue.

Respect? Support? Again, take it up with admin or find a different job if you don’t like what yours entails. Teaching is not a life sentence.

Someone doesn’t understand excuses vs unexcused absences. Teachers don’t mind giving makeup work for excused absences. It’s accommodating your Disney trip that’s the problem.

I’m not asking for make up work for my kids, so you don’t have a leg to stand on.

Let’s say your child receives a zero on a major assessment because of an unexcused absence. Will you fight it, or accept that as a consequence?

If they're in elementary school I could care less whether they got a 0

What a horrible message to send your kid. They fail and you say “oh well!”

Shrug. My kid's going to be happier than yours.

Shrug. My kid has gone on more vacations than yours, guarantee you.

LOL - you are so tacky.

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Anonymous wrote:We want to take kids to go to Disney. Both kids attend same elementary school. The long time lining up at Disney world sounds painful to me, and we are thinking to pull kids out during school year to do so. Will that hurt anything for school report records? And, how bad is it to tell teacher/administration that is due to we are going to disney world?

If you have done it before, which month is the best to go to Disney World for shorter lines, pleasant weather and good deals?

IF you know this now I suggest getting teacher gifts early - back to school Starbucks card, etc. Doesn’t have to be huge but something that makes teacher look kindly on your family.

Do you really think a Starbucks gift card will prevent the teacher from losing respect for this family?

NP. I am a teacher. I promise you, a Disney trip in and of itself will not make me lose respect for a family. Please stop making us look bad (/petty/vindictive/etc.)!!!

Teacher here. I don’t think I’m being petty or vindictive. What I do is very important and yes, the child will miss instruction. I don’t have fluff days, even toward the end of the year. To say “go and have fun” trivializes what we do in the classroom. Perhaps students miss less at the elementary level. Still, you are building habits and setting priorities that will extend to high school.

Last year one student’s vacation cost me about 12 additional hours of work. I first had to prep an individualized unit. When the family returned, I was told they didn’t have any time to do the work on vacation. I then had to meet daily with the student to complete the assignments and catch him up with the rest of the class. That should not have been my responsibility.

It's your fault for taking on additional work for accommodating the student. Don't worry about what I am teaching my kids with regards to priorities / habit setting - you teachers are always telling us to do a better job parenting. Your faux concern is hypocritical. I promise you that my kids are going to be just fine.

See my comment to the post above. The parents’ behavior should not penalize that poor child.

Your children probably will be. Who said otherwise? Why make this an adversarial relationship? Especially when I’m clearly looking out for my students?

It's not your job to police what I do with my kids, and when you shroud your "concern" around "irresponsible parents" it makes you look petty.
To me, this reeks of jealous that you couldn't afford to take your kids on nice trips and/or picked a career where you don't have vacation flexibility.

And with this, you went too far.

I work HARD and I resent it when people carelessly and selfishly make my work harder. I suspect you would feel the same at your place of employment. It’s a reasonable response to being taken advantage of.

Jealousy? No. I vacation plenty, but at the appropriate time.

Good luck to you.

Then bring it up with your administration. Would you feel the same way if you had to do the same level of catch up work if the kid was out sick or for something like bereavement days? No? You just want to bash other parents for making different choices than you and make people feel bad.

Bereavement leave or sickness? I’ll go out of my way to help! Heck, I’ll Zoom entire lessons. But Disney? No. They don’t even compare and you know that.

If you feel bad, that has nothing to do with me.

So you don't *really* care if the kid is missing school, you just care when it's for a reason you deem unacceptable.

Well, the school system actually decides what is an acceptable reason for missing school. Not me. It’s all nicely lined out in the attendance policy. Bereavement leave and sickness are approved absences. Disney is not.

If you take your children out for a vacation, that is against policy. Period. If the school’s admin decides to work with you, realize they are going by out of their way (and having teachers do the same) so you can skirt policy.

It really sounds like you need to take this up with your admin, if they are ignoring policy and saddling you with hours of extra work to accommodate vacationing families. If your school stops enabling, fewer families would likely take so much time off during the school year.

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Anonymous wrote:Couldn't stand to read the whole thread but wanted to make sure this point was clear - by pulling your kids out of school you are making it harder for the teacher to do their job and impacting the education of the other children. As a teacher, I am already overworked with the normal issues. I don't mind working extra to accommodate sick children or those with legitimate reasons to miss class. But, those of you who just pull them out to go to Disney???! It takes time and effort to catch the child up. Which takes away from my teaching the other children. And yes, they get behind. Sigh. Don't be selfish. Keep your kids in school. Especially those of you who want the good teachers to stay!

Sorry it doesnt actually take long to catch a second grader up for missing 1 week of school

And you want the teacher to do that, on top of everything else?

I’m not asking the ES teacher for makeup work. My kids are above grade level. If your administration is making you accommodate, then it’s part of your job (even if you don’t like it) and should fight that fight elsewhere.

It’s lame to pretend there’s this huge loss of learning for a few days ES. You’re taking it way too personally if you think my pulling my kids out for a few days is disrespectful to your profession. My husband is French and he and his siblings got pulled out for a week every year to visit family and gasp - they would go to Disney Paris. I guarantee he got more out of that trip than a week of ES.

I am the teacher who had admin add to my job (against policy) and I am not the PP. There appear to be several people commenting who are against vacations during the school year.

The school has rules, including an attendance policy. These exist for the benefit of the entire school community, including your children. Apparently these rules are beneath you. Fine. Just don’t come to DCUM expecting people to support your decisions. And don’t expect us to find respect and support when you add to our workloads. Accept this is how we feel and take your trip to Disney.

There are plenty of people in this thread also arguing that it’s not a big deal.

Yep, there’s an attendance policy. Kids miss school for illness or bereavement days all the time. There’s no magic wand that makes Disney days worse than a sick day from a learning perspective. You just feel morally superior for some twisted reason - probably because you’ve conditioned yourself that your way is the best and everyone else is doing it wrong. Again, my kids don’t miss school for grandparent visits or sick days or sports or anything else, so taking a few days in ES for Disney over the course of a year is truly not an issue.

Respect? Support? Again, take it up with admin or find a different job if you don’t like what yours entails. Teaching is not a life sentence.

It’s about absences for solid, legitimate reasons (illness, bereavement) versus illegitimate reasons (vacations that can be rescheduled).

It’s also about following policies and teaching children that they aren’t above society’s rules, even ones you don’t like.

It’s about forcing extra work on hardworking people, simply so you can avoid the minor inconvenience of lines at an amusement park.

Do I feel morally superior? Not really. I’m pretty solid in my belief system and don’t feel the need to compare myself to others. But when your choices impact me, like this does as a teacher, I do get annoyed.

Your admin is forcing additional work on you. “Excused absences” is just an arbitrary line in the sand. At least with a planned vacation, you can work around the syllabus versus an excuse, d but unexpected absence, like a sudden death in the family.

Your attempts to justify away policies you don’t like by calling them “arbitrary” isn’t convincing. Expecting students to attend school just makes sense. The policy isn’t arbitrary; it’s in the best interest of the community - including your child.

You don’t care. Fine. Just stop these attempts to get us to agree with you.

I think the teacher with a stick up her behind about having to do her job should stop posting in this thread because it’s not going to change anyone’s mind.

Accommodating kids whose parents pull them out for a vacation isn’t part of the job description.

Didn’t you just bellyache a few posts up that your admin makes you provide the makeup work? Sure sounds like your job - one funded by the taxpayers - to me.

Nope. Not my job. Aren’t you grateful that there are admins who ignore written policy and force extra work on teachers? I suppose if it benefits you, “the taxpayer,” who cares if it’s against policy?

And we wonder why we have a teacher shortage. Anybody still wondering?

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Anonymous wrote:Couldn't stand to read the whole thread but wanted to make sure this point was clear - by pulling your kids out of school you are making it harder for the teacher to do their job and impacting the education of the other children. As a teacher, I am already overworked with the normal issues. I don't mind working extra to accommodate sick children or those with legitimate reasons to miss class. But, those of you who just pull them out to go to Disney???! It takes time and effort to catch the child up. Which takes away from my teaching the other children. And yes, they get behind. Sigh. Don't be selfish. Keep your kids in school. Especially those of you who want the good teachers to stay!

Sorry it doesnt actually take long to catch a second grader up for missing 1 week of school

And you want the teacher to do that, on top of everything else?

I’m not asking the ES teacher for makeup work. My kids are above grade level. If your administration is making you accommodate, then it’s part of your job (even if you don’t like it) and should fight that fight elsewhere.

It’s lame to pretend there’s this huge loss of learning for a few days ES. You’re taking it way too personally if you think my pulling my kids out for a few days is disrespectful to your profession. My husband is French and he and his siblings got pulled out for a week every year to visit family and gasp - they would go to Disney Paris. I guarantee he got more out of that trip than a week of ES.

I am the teacher who had admin add to my job (against policy) and I am not the PP. There appear to be several people commenting who are against vacations during the school year.

The school has rules, including an attendance policy. These exist for the benefit of the entire school community, including your children. Apparently these rules are beneath you. Fine. Just don’t come to DCUM expecting people to support your decisions. And don’t expect us to find respect and support when you add to our workloads. Accept this is how we feel and take your trip to Disney.

There are plenty of people in this thread also arguing that it’s not a big deal.

Yep, there’s an attendance policy. Kids miss school for illness or bereavement days all the time. There’s no magic wand that makes Disney days worse than a sick day from a learning perspective. You just feel morally superior for some twisted reason - probably because you’ve conditioned yourself that your way is the best and everyone else is doing it wrong. Again, my kids don’t miss school for grandparent visits or sick days or sports or anything else, so taking a few days in ES for Disney over the course of a year is truly not an issue.

Respect? Support? Again, take it up with admin or find a different job if you don’t like what yours entails. Teaching is not a life sentence.

It’s about absences for solid, legitimate reasons (illness, bereavement) versus illegitimate reasons (vacations that can be rescheduled).

It’s also about following policies and teaching children that they aren’t above society’s rules, even ones you don’t like.

It’s about forcing extra work on hardworking people, simply so you can avoid the minor inconvenience of lines at an amusement park.

Do I feel morally superior? Not really. I’m pretty solid in my belief system and don’t feel the need to compare myself to others. But when your choices impact me, like this does as a teacher, I do get annoyed.

Your admin is forcing additional work on you. “Excused absences” is just an arbitrary line in the sand. At least with a planned vacation, you can work around the syllabus versus an excuse, d but unexpected absence, like a sudden death in the family.

Your attempts to justify away policies you don’t like by calling them “arbitrary” isn’t convincing. Expecting students to attend school just makes sense. The policy isn’t arbitrary; it’s in the best interest of the community - including your child.

You don’t care. Fine. Just stop these attempts to get us to agree with you.

I think the teacher with a stick up her behind about having to do her job should stop posting in this thread because it’s not going to change anyone’s mind.

Accommodating kids whose parents pull them out for a vacation isn’t part of the job description.

Didn’t you just bellyache a few posts up that your admin makes you provide the makeup work? Sure sounds like your job - one funded by the taxpayers - to me.

Nope. Not my job. Aren’t you grateful that there are admins who ignore written policy and force extra work on teachers? I suppose if it benefits you, “the taxpayer,” who cares if it’s against policy?

And we wonder why we have a teacher shortage. Anybody still wondering?

If it’s not your job, then you’re just arguing against people breaking the rules, as there’s no additional lift for you as a teacher when my kids are out.

I cannot imagine caring this much what other people do in their spare time - you must be a republican.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, do it. The time spent with family is way more important than anything that will be happening in elementary school. The message that you are sending to your kids is that happiness matters too. School will be there for 13 years + college/grad school. This is one week. Enjoy!

Too bad kids never get school breaks, so this is the only option!

Have your kids never missed a day of school?

Not for Disney. Kids get a lot of days off.

Your kid is going to end up in the same place as my kid, but my kid will have gone to disney

Once again: KIDS GET SCHOOL BREAKS.

Do you seriously not understand the concept of vacationing during breaks?

We almost exclusively travel over school breaks, but to be fair, they are also the worst times to go somewhere like Disney. We went over winter break as we were meeting extended family there and it was the only time that worked for everyone, but if it had just been our nuclear family I probably would have planned a trip coincident with a weekend and other non-instructional day so that my ES kids only missed a couple days of school. I wouldn't pull them out for a full week.

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Sorry it doesnt actually take long to catch a second grader up for missing 1 week of school

And you want the teacher to do that, on top of everything else?

I’m not asking the ES teacher for makeup work. My kids are above grade level. If your administration is making you accommodate, then it’s part of your job (even if you don’t like it) and should fight that fight elsewhere.

It’s lame to pretend there’s this huge loss of learning for a few days ES. You’re taking it way too personally if you think my pulling my kids out for a few days is disrespectful to your profession. My husband is French and he and his siblings got pulled out for a week every year to visit family and gasp - they would go to Disney Paris. I guarantee he got more out of that trip than a week of ES.

I am the teacher who had admin add to my job (against policy) and I am not the PP. There appear to be several people commenting who are against vacations during the school year.

The school has rules, including an attendance policy. These exist for the benefit of the entire school community, including your children. Apparently these rules are beneath you. Fine. Just don’t come to DCUM expecting people to support your decisions. And don’t expect us to find respect and support when you add to our workloads. Accept this is how we feel and take your trip to Disney.

There are plenty of people in this thread also arguing that it’s not a big deal.

Yep, there’s an attendance policy. Kids miss school for illness or bereavement days all the time. There’s no magic wand that makes Disney days worse than a sick day from a learning perspective. You just feel morally superior for some twisted reason - probably because you’ve conditioned yourself that your way is the best and everyone else is doing it wrong. Again, my kids don’t miss school for grandparent visits or sick days or sports or anything else, so taking a few days in ES for Disney over the course of a year is truly not an issue.

Respect? Support? Again, take it up with admin or find a different job if you don’t like what yours entails. Teaching is not a life sentence.

It’s about absences for solid, legitimate reasons (illness, bereavement) versus illegitimate reasons (vacations that can be rescheduled).

It’s also about following policies and teaching children that they aren’t above society’s rules, even ones you don’t like.

It’s about forcing extra work on hardworking people, simply so you can avoid the minor inconvenience of lines at an amusement park.

Do I feel morally superior? Not really. I’m pretty solid in my belief system and don’t feel the need to compare myself to others. But when your choices impact me, like this does as a teacher, I do get annoyed.

Your admin is forcing additional work on you. “Excused absences” is just an arbitrary line in the sand. At least with a planned vacation, you can work around the syllabus versus an excuse, d but unexpected absence, like a sudden death in the family.

Your attempts to justify away policies you don’t like by calling them “arbitrary” isn’t convincing. Expecting students to attend school just makes sense. The policy isn’t arbitrary; it’s in the best interest of the community - including your child.

You don’t care. Fine. Just stop these attempts to get us to agree with you.

I think the teacher with a stick up her behind about having to do her job should stop posting in this thread because it’s not going to change anyone’s mind.

Accommodating kids whose parents pull them out for a vacation isn’t part of the job description.

Didn’t you just bellyache a few posts up that your admin makes you provide the makeup work? Sure sounds like your job - one funded by the taxpayers - to me.

Nope. Not my job. Aren’t you grateful that there are admins who ignore written policy and force extra work on teachers? I suppose if it benefits you, “the taxpayer,” who cares if it’s against policy?

And we wonder why we have a teacher shortage. Anybody still wondering?

Grow a backbone already.

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I have pulled my kids out of Elem school and will continue to do so. They are excellent students. It's elementary school.

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I am the PP above. My kids are good students and when they miss "teaching" in elem school, they don't need extra effort from the teacher to "catch them up." It's public school, they aren't exactly learning much.